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Vatever you vant, Vladimir

2025/2/20
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Sean Rameswaram: 我观察到特朗普政府对俄乌战争的立场发生了180度大转变。最初美国坚定地站在乌克兰一边,但现在,在特朗普与普京进行了一次没有邀请乌克兰参与的电话会谈后,情况发生了变化。特朗普指责乌克兰应对战争负责,甚至称泽连斯基为独裁者,这与之前美国政府的立场大相径庭。此外,特朗普任命图尔西·加巴德为美国情报主管,加巴德被认为是俄罗斯的同情者,这进一步加剧了人们对美国政策转变的担忧。 Steve Kahl: 图尔西·加巴德的任命确实令人费解。她缺乏情报机构的经验,过去在外交政策问题上的观点也常常含糊不清,甚至与来自俄罗斯或叙利亚政府的虚假信息和宣传相呼应。然而,她的任命与特朗普政府的议程相符,即对情报机构进行审查,清除被认为不忠诚的官员。加巴德本人也认为情报机构存在严重问题,她有动力去解决这些问题。至于特朗普政府对俄罗斯政策的转变,这可能源于一种战略判断,即美国政策将俄罗斯和中国紧密联系在一起,美国需要拉拢其中一方,而俄罗斯是更好的选择。但加巴德的动机可能更简单,她只是认为精英阶层对普京的评价不公正。 Matthew Luxmore: 特朗普政府对乌克兰战争的立场转变令人震惊。美国国防部长宣布乌克兰加入北约的可能性不大,特朗普本人则与普京进行了长时间的通话,并宣布将在沙特阿拉伯与俄罗斯进行直接会谈,而没有邀请乌克兰和欧洲国家参与。这使得乌克兰和欧洲感到担忧,因为他们一直认为自己是任何关于战争结束的谈判中的关键参与者。虽然特朗普政府声称希望结束战争,但目前尚不清楚具体的和平协议是什么样的。俄罗斯和乌克兰在领土和军事问题上的立场存在根本分歧,而特朗普政府似乎对俄罗斯的论点表示同情,这使得乌克兰感到不安。乌克兰总统泽连斯基也公开表达了对特朗普政府的担忧,认为特朗普政府陷入了虚假信息之中。美国对乌克兰的援助也带有交易性质,美国希望从乌克兰获得某些回报,例如稀土资源。 supporting_evidences Sean Rameswaram: 'Trump had a nice long phone call with Vladimir Putin about a week ago. Ukraine was not invited.' Sean Rameswaram: 'But you might be old enough to remember the United States being on Ukraine's side of this war.' Steve Kahl: 'She sometimes aligned herself with misinformation and propaganda that was coming out of Russia or Syria's dictatorship.' Matthew Luxmore: 'The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.' Matthew Luxmore: 'We ultimately expect to meet. In fact, we expect that he'll come here and I'll go there.' Matthew Luxmore: 'And he announced that a meeting would take place in Saudi Arabia between the U.S. side and the Russian side' Matthew Luxmore: 'whom we respect very much, who supports us constantly, unfortunately lives in this disinformation space.'

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This chapter explores the unexpected appointment of Tulsi Gabbard as the director of national intelligence. It examines her background, her past political stances, and her evolving relationship with the Republican party, culminating in her current role and its potential implications for US foreign policy, particularly concerning Russia.
  • Tulsi Gabbard's background and political evolution
  • Her past stances on Russia and other foreign policy issues
  • Her appointment as director of national intelligence and its implications

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Kremlin defender Tulsi Gabbard is the US’s new spy chief, while the US and Russia are holding peace talks without European and Ukrainian officials at the table. The vibe has officially shifted.

This episode was produced by Avishay Artsy, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Patrick Boyd and Andrea Kristinsdottir, and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump at the G20 Summit in Osaka in 2019. Photo by BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP via Getty Images.

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