Ep 1020 | Uncle Si Comes Clean About a ‘Duck Dynasty’ Special Episode & Jase Wears Missy’s Clothes
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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Winter, Zach, winter has set upon Louisiana. It's our first major cold spell. It was funny because there's a guy at church yesterday. He's from Wisconsin.

So I'm like, man, everybody's batting down the hatches. Of course, it was 70 degrees and it was raining. 75. 75 degrees. I hunted yesterday. And raining. But you knew it was coming, this big polar vortex. And so mom was supposed to come in and go to church and come to my house for my birthday. We were having a little lunch. Mainly, I planned it around her coming in. And then I got word that she didn't come in because she was worried about slipping and

And falling on the ice. Oh, wow. And I was like...

It's 75 degrees. What is it now? Well, now it's 35 right now. But it got down to 28 last night. Yeah, I would have thought she had planned on bringing a bag of ice. Well, I said, Mom, are you worried about them throwing out ice at the church after the morning breakfast or whatever? What ice are we going to slip on when it's 75? Yeah.

but she was just looking ahead to potential ice. So y'all were all geared up. You were going to hunt. It was excitement. Everybody's like. 75 degrees. I had some guests that I took duck hunting on Saturday and then Sunday morning. And then, you know, it just didn't happen. It was 75 degrees. They said it was going to rain and.

But, you know, we had a limited time. We went before church and it just didn't happen. So then the rain really didn't happen until way later. Yeah, it was like pretty rude. In fact, we had a lot of, it wasn't here, but like up north, in northeast, right in the corner of Louisiana, they had tornadoes. So then last night, I walked outside to get, you know, you get ready, during duck season, you get ready for the next day.

And I was like, whoa. And it was like 35 degrees. So it went from 75 degrees.

In about six hours. I saw you guys had a tornado warning or something pop up. Yeah, the local weather people were just, yeah. I was trying to watch football games. Well, don't bring up weather people. I went off today, which the blind thought it was kind of funny, but probably shouldn't share this because we may have some meteorologists.

Here's what got me. Here's what got me. So it's 50 degree temperature change in 24 hours. It's 25 degrees. Which for duck hunting down here is usually a good thing. Usually a good thing.

Clear. Right before I went to bed last night, I kind of had an awkward moment with my wife because I brought this. I thought this was funny. I came out of her closet because I lost. When it gets really cold, I have these. I don't know what they're called. You put it around your neck, and it's got Velcro. Gator. You can pull it on your face. The gator. Well, I had a gator, and I left it somewhere in the blind and can't find it. Yep.

So I'm looking through my hunting closet and I didn't find anything. So then I was just looking in the main closet and I thought, huh, I don't remember buying this. So I thought, what a purchase. So I'll put it on for you looking. I put this thing on. It took me five minutes to figure this out that you actually twist it. Yeah. So it's like a... Hold on. Let me take my earphones off. This is pathetic. Podcast man strangled while trying to...

So look, you see this? So I came out. For those of you listening, Jace has put a, it looks like a sable, maybe a mink neck wrap. He's double wrapped it around his neck. So I came. It's like a bearded Marilyn Monroe. So I came out of the closet wearing this and my wife is looking at me. That's an infinity scarf, Jace. You know what she said?

Did you know that's an infinity scarf? No, that's not what she said. She said. That's what Maddie just said. She said. Is that what it's called? Yeah, because you double twist. I can see why they call it. It's like the infinity sign. That's the problem I have with that. What are they selling you in that moment? They're saying. Eternity, Jace. It's all about eternity. You wear this. You will live forever.

So my wife looks at me and she said, why do you have my scarf on? Well, I did not know what to say in that moment because I could not remember her wearing this. It's never cold enough to wear it unless you hunt. And so I had cut the tag off brutally because I thought, why did I never take the tag off this thing? Oh, boy. And she said, what did you do? Did you cut the tag off? And I was like, is that illegal? Yeah.

It's like a mattress. Anyway, I said, she said, you know what? You can keep it. It's like a toothbrush. Once you've used it, it's yours. I wore that thing this morning. And, you know, these guys I'm hunting, I thought we were all in here.

And somebody said, are you wearing a woman's scarf? And I said, the fact that you know that to me is more disturbing than me having it on. That's called gaslighting, by the way. I'll tell you something right now. It was as warm as my neck has ever been, 25 degrees. Because here's what, I got a theory. Sometimes it doesn't matter, does it? Look, these people, they're...

They feel like it's all about what you get sued for. Yeah. If a woman or some kids or whatever get cold and, but they're like, oh no. So I really think their clothes are warmer.

for fear of lawsuits some old guy he's not gonna lie i think they're they're closer warmer because they're much thinner than us generally you're pretty thin but for the rest of us we got it i got my own little heat you know extras going on so anyway there i am on my scarf and uh you know we're hunting well the last thing i looked at before i went to bed last night was the forecast

Well, I'm paying attention to these actual weather organizations. Because every hour matters when clearing and all that. Somebody told me they're all run by the government. I don't know. So I look, and for today, it said it had an emoji. You know how they, because I'm looking at it on my phone. I think that's what they're called. I don't know. Maybe not. But it was a sun, just a sun. No, no.

No clouds. And it said below. Is that what that characterized, Zach, as an emoji, a picture of the sun on his phone? There's one. Okay. Okay. Well, this was on their forecast. They had a sun. Which means sun, clear. It said clear. It had, you know, north wind 15 to 30. Perfect. Northwest wind. I said, okay. So we're going to our best clear day hole in the timber. But I left out one part that it.

that it had because i didn't realize it in the moment but when i got to thinking about it so i get up this morning we're all we're going to the elm hall well when i cranked the motor up there's six men we're headed off on this adventure before a day like cold everybody bundled up you know nobody else had an infinity scarf though but you i actually looked up into the sky because look and we're talking about in the beginning was the word and why that is a thing in john

Because words matter. And even though they only had a picture of the sun, they're in the business of people trusting what they say. So, and if you don't know, if I was a weatherman, put partly cloudy or mostly cloudy. Because that way you can say, well, I don't really know. And if it was cloudy at any time during the day, you would technically be right. Would you agree? Correct. Correct.

So I actually looked up into the sky and I didn't see a star. And I thought, that's weird. And then when I thought back to that picture that I saw in my memory before I went back, because you know how the last thing you see sometimes, and I got the visual, I remember that son had a smiley face on him.

And I think in that moment, that's when I started getting angry. I thought, not only did it have a sun emoji. The sun that didn't make you smile. No, the sun, they had it smiling. But you weren't smiling, is that right? And I thought, well, they didn't say partly sunny, partly cloudy. They said clear with a smiley face. So I said, I think that must be fog.

Jay said, that's fog. I looked at the weather forecast. You know how Jay is. He's like taking control. He said, it's going to be clear. As soon as the sun comes up. I said, okay, all right, good. We're good. I just make sure. Because, I mean, who do you trust here? We get up in that blind and the sun wouldn't come up. You know why? Because it was cloudy. Not partly cloudy.

So at 10 o'clock, which was my cutoff time to be sitting in this chair, I had to leave by 10 to get here at 11. Guess what happened at 10 o'clock? When I hear the motor coming, which means get all the stuff, we had to park the motor. Clear. It's all the clear light. It finally happened. You know, I'm beginning to think in this moment that the waterfowl, the meteorologists, and the demonic forces of evil are all in cahoots.

And that, I mean, how can you make that up? When I'm leaving, I mean, we only shot four ducks. You know why? Wrong place. Wrong hole. Wrong hole. What's funny is I wasn't there, but I guess I've hunted enough to know. I walked outside to my truck at 845 and it was cloudy. And I thought, hmm.

That's not good because it's cold. The wind's blowing. But I thought that's probably not good for Jason then because it should be clear, not knowing anything you were going through. And then I go get my truck at 10 to come down here because I had to take some food by mom and dad's. And the clear line had already hit in town, but it was still 30 minutes from you. And I thought, you know what? This is probably going to be a story on the podcast. We had the creator's creation. We had the wind, you know, likening to the spirit.

But we had the wrong word, Al. We were trusting the wrong source. That's what I thought in that moment because I was really getting angry. And I thought, well, I got to... You thought John 1-1. That's what you thought. I did think John 1-1. Well, I did a little thing called AccuWeather. And you got to get the app. But it's pretty...

Pretty accurate? Is the ACCU stand for accurate? I find that hard to believe that it's accurate. Well, I also look at the radar and make my own determination based on what I see coming. Oh, Susan's an ACCU. He's a picker, dude. Well, you know, I'm not sure that's accurate.

He doesn't trust any of it now, Zach. That's what happens. I got an idea. Look at that. He's been hurt. He saw a smiley son. Oh, the smile. That's what made me angry because I thought, you know what? It's almost like they're just taunting you with the smile. Why the smile? Yeah. So then that led to, you know, I said a few things I probably shouldn't have. And I said, look, I'm not for, I did not promote violence, kidnapping or anything like that. I was like, but you know what would be funny?

If we all loaded up in a van and we went to whoever's house was in charge of putting that smiley face on that sun and they come out, we're like, hey, what happened? I mean, it did happen. You did get sun. It just didn't happen in the time frame that you thought it was going to happen. If that's what they say, put partly cloudy. And I was going to say, look, we made life decisions based on your information that could not have been any more wrong.

Because that sun didn't come out for the first 10 hours of that particular day, from midnight to 10 a.m. It was supposed to be clear. There was zero sun. Now, I get it. It's a big miss. Before 6 a.m., you wouldn't have seen the sun. But it was cloudy for 10 hours of said day, which is almost half.

Well, it's funny because while you were dealing with all that, we were, yes, I was watching, trying to watch football games, but this severe weather was in our area during the games. And so I'm watching our two local television stations where they're cutting in. Of course, at least now they'll have a little picture of the game going on while they're in a bigger picture telling you what's going on with the weather. So I'm not saying they did anything wrong. They're just, you know, trying to tell you where the tornado might be.

But the production value, one thing I appreciate about the Weather Channel, it's kind of a compilation of at least accomplished people on camera.

Yeah. There's a woman up here locally. You know what? Missy actually brought this up. She said, I just listened to a weather alert and the woman doing the weather alert did not know the names of the town. It was so terrible. So she wasn't from here. And look, she's on camera and she's looking down and reading, which I get that. She's getting bulletins, the weather things behind her. And she kept walking off camera.

She would just wander off. Well, this is what I'm saying. We're just looking at an empty chair with the thing, and she's talking in the background. And I just thought, Maddie, where's Maddie? Maddie, you need a weekend job because at least stay on camera when you're talking to your audience. I think we need to hold these people accountable in some way. It was so bad. You got to understand that your market is like the minor league market.

Oh, it's worse than the minor leagues. It's not even semi-pro. This is before you get into single A ball. This poor woman. I said, she's wandered into this job from someplace, but she does not need to be on TV. I mean, just God bless her. You got to be aware of jobs that anyone can do. Yeah. Because you obviously don't have to be accurate. Well, you did though. Weren't you the weatherman on an episode on the little duck show? Was that?

I think Phil was. He was the weatherman? Because y'all took over. It was a takeover of the local TV station. No, I think Si was the weatherman. Phil actually is pretty good at weather. He keeps up with it. Well, they did a remote. No, they went to dad in a remote. Oh, and he gave a rant because he'd been out there a couple hours. No, look, everybody that has ever watched our duck show, I'm going to say something that you're going to find hard to believe. If somebody can find the archives of that episode, I'm sure it's out there somewhere.

That bit of us doing the weather was 100% off the top of everyone's head. Because I don't know if you were there. I wasn't in that episode, but I watched it, yeah. No, look, we get there and something happened. The producer didn't show up, whatever. I was like, hey, how hard is it to do the local weather and news? Turn the camera on.

Well, I was kind of kidding. And they just did. And they turned the camera. And Willie looked at me, and I looked at him. And whatever happened was 100%. And look, so we forgot about Phil. We had done most of the episode. I'm putting that in quotation marks because all we did was just go off. And Si went over there doing the weather. And then somebody said, well, Phil's outside.

He's been outside for a couple hours. So I was like, well, let's go to Phil.

And Phil, unprovoked. There's nobody around Phil. He's just standing out there. He has a microphone. And it looks like he's in the woods because there's woods behind him. He's in the woods. Yeah. He just went on this rant that made no sense. At all. And I don't know if he got what. He was like Zach when Zach does ads for this very podcast in the early years. Zach would go like wrestling color commentator.

And I thought, Zach, why are you doing that? And he was like, what? But he was like, hey, this is, you know, we've got a new sponsor here. This guy from Parts Unknown, he's going to. Zach, we're doing an ad for chocolate. Just make it natural. So there it was. Speaking of Zach. All right, so I just come on in. Hang on, we're going to take a break.

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Switch to Patriot Mobile today. Defend freedom with every call and text that you make. Visit PatriotMobile.com slash Phil or call them at 972-PATRIOT. Welcome to the podcast. We were just talking about when the time on our little duck show, we did the...

local news because I was mad this morning because the weather people got it wrong. You can't trust them. Yeah, I agree. You cannot trust what they say. We've been talking about it in the beginning was the word. Words matter. That's why God...

As the word became flesh, he's like, because when he says something. It's a big deal. I'll say this since we've been, pull your mic up, Si. A little birdie told me that. Look, I will tell you this. See, that's how production works. Somebody tells you to do stuff. No, you just don't wander off camera and come back. I'm going to tell you this. When God says something, he speaks truth.

Things happen. Yeah. They happen. Well, he did the lesson Sunday, and it was about the power. Who's got the power? Who's got the power? Hey, the Almighty has got the power. Okay? You got it. Just like he said, when he speaks, things start happening, baby. It happens. Yeah. That's why it comes down to who you trust. You can't trust other people. Well, you got to understand, they live in buildings with no windows.

So they don't have a clue of what is going on outside. They're just looking at machines all day. Words matter. Are we sure that's true? I'm just saying. He's saying how can it not be true because obviously they're not looking at the sky. They're not looking because, hey, it's pouring out just raining cows, horses, and dogs and cats. And they're saying, oh, it's going to be clear and sunny today. We actually looked.

up this morning because they were making fun of me because I was wearing a scarf. Then we actually looked up. He was wearing Missy's scarf. We looked up the weather and it said it was clear. And I was looking. And it's not clear. It's not even partly clear. It was fully cloudy. Fully cloudy. And I say, there you go. So then they were making fun of me.

And then all of a sudden, they started scrambling like a bunch of junior high kids that thought they were in trouble. What happened was everybody got cold about 8 o'clock because the wind was just howling. There was no sun. It's below freezing. Things are icing up. We heard a kaboom, boom, boom, because when you walk up the ladder, the staircase, well, the water hit the steps. Well, the first time somebody shot a duck,

He said, I'll go get the duck. Frozen. Bump, bump, bump, down the ladder. Bam, hit the water. Now they're breaking out fires trying to do all this. So then they started rolling down. For the door, there's a piece of felt that's rolled up. And it's frozen. It was frozen. They cut the string and kind of roll it down, you know, acting like it was going to freeze to death. And it was like 29 degrees.

They roll it down. Well, what they didn't realize that there were thousands of spiders and had decided this is their home. Oh, it could have been worse. It could have been purple tail walls. Well, they all took off running. I said, they're not poisonous.

As far as you know. There's a big one. I'm glad I missed this one. Oh, boy. Well, then the fire. Was Zach with you? Because this sounds like a whole Zach. No, but I felt like I was hunting with a bunch of Zach. But...

So then somebody flicked a spider because once the spiders got warm, they became- Active. Well, yeah, they were looking for a new home. Yeah. Jackets. Beards. Beards. And somebody had one in their beard and flicked it up. And I mean, it was one of those- Big ones. Giants. Big old wood spiders. And somebody said, oh, the spider's on me. I was like, this is embarrassing. I'm sitting down there acting like a man. Yeah.

Wearing your Infinities car. No fire. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know where we got off on that. So, Cy, you mentioned my sermon yesterday because I did an overview.

of Ephesians because we were about to study Ephesians at the church. So was that the point you liked the most? Well, no, no. Yeah. That was my favorite part of the sermon. Yeah. Okay. Because, you know, when people, back on the words, when people read stuff, sometimes it doesn't sink in and doesn't give you the information you really should be listening to. Right. Which is why God became a man. I don't think we talked about that.

The word means, or in the Greek language, logos or logos, depending on how you learned it. Right. What is the official pronunciation? I think it's logos, isn't it, Zach? I've heard it said both ways. It's kind of like people who say Augustine, or if you're from Florida, you call him St. Augustine.

Augustine. From Florida, you call it Augustine. Yeah. We're starting to study the book of Ephesians, which we did on the podcast. And so my job was to give an overview of what the whole book is about, which of course it's about Jesus, which was great for where we're going in the book of John, because I don't know of a better place to zero in on the I am or who Jesus is, especially in John one. But in doing that, I was trying to show the different like snapshots that Paul did and

And I mentioned this in a previous podcast that N.T. Wright called it the London Eye. It was just like a perspective of above, and you get to look at the whole picture. The song, I'm looking through the window up above. Right, exactly. And you get to see that, which is really powerful. So that was my whole point in the sermon, trying to give that big picture overview of who Christ is. Well, because that's why I got on the kick in my preaching when I'm out.

about talking about, hey, look, the Father's a spirit, the Holy Spirit is a spirit. But when you come to the Son...

He was a man. Yeah. And is still a man. And still a man. That's right. Okay. Flesh and blood, just like us, but without sin. Fully human. Yeah. Fully human, but he's deity. Right. Okay. He's the creator. Okay. That's why the thing about, hey, we're limited, but God's not limited. He's beyond limits.

Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. Which is heavy. Yeah. Which is why when you read the first chapter of John, you're like, whoa. Yeah. I mean, because really John is a simple book. It's basically God loves us. He became a man. His name is Jesus. And whoever believes in him will have eternal life. Well. Would you agree? I agree. And we can't even define love. Okay. Really correctly.

No, I agree with that. I'm serious. Yeah. Because God loves the human race. Good grief. Okay. Just beyond magic. And I quoted the verse yesterday in 1 John 4, you know, we love because Christ first loved us. He loved us.

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I was going to mention this, Jace. You mentioned about John and its uniqueness. And I mentioned before a little bit about the other books, but someone wrote it this way, which I thought was pretty good.

I wrote this down. This is Matthew. This is the Messiah, the king. Worship him. We talked about that kind of from a Jewish perspective. Mark, this is the servant who served humanity. Follow him. But you get that theme in his book. Luke, this is the only man among men without sin. Emulate him. It's kind of the thrust and definitely seen from the Greek perspective. John, this is God and human flesh believe in him.

This book is more about challenging what you believe to be true and the idea you come to the point where you say, there's really no other way I can live without this being true because you're always going to fall short of the way. But here's the thing most people don't get, okay, because I've heard them, they say so much stupid stuff, okay? Kind of like weathermen. Well, no, but Jesus was tempted in every way just like we are.

Me and Phil had talked about it. Hebrews chapter 4. Yeah. Yeah. When I said, we used to talk about it and say, well, how did he pull it off? He was a man and he, I mean, he was human just like us. How did he pull it off? And for years we didn't come up with answers. And then he said, hey, you're forgetting the main three. Faith, hope, and love, which is what is the greatest. Love. He loved Jesus Christ, a man, but deity first.

loved perfectly. That's the only way he could have pulled it off. Okay. And that's what I said about when he, that God loves the human race and we don't even, we can't even give a definition, a good definition of the word love. So I think the case John's making is twofold. It's, it's that he's man, but it's also that he's God. And, and not just God to your point about N.T. Wright, who's been very helpful for me and reading through the new Testament and,

Trying to look at it through the lens of what is the bigger picture here that the writers are writing into? And can we step back and have a different vantage point? One of the things that I found interesting about John 1, when it says in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God. I mean, John's writing this in a culture that really has a different.

frame of reference than we would have as first century Judaism. They would have a different reference for that. But if you go back to the Old Testament, you see this kind of dilemma in the Old Testament. I wrote some of these down because I thought they were interesting. And I think John's answering this in John 1. But, you know, you have verses like Genesis 18 where it says Yahweh appeared to him

by the oaks of memory. And he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. So you have this picture of Yahweh. It says, So you have Yahweh actually appearing before

But then you read like in Exodus 33, it says, you can't see my face. Yahweh speaking for man shall not see me and live. So there's like this tension in the Old Testament of can God be seen or can God be not seen? Again, in Genesis 19 with Sodom and Gomorrah, it says that Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven.

But then Amos 4, 11, it says, I overthrew some of you as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and you were as a brand plucked out of the burning, yet you did not return to me, declares Yahweh. So it's interesting you read that verse in Amos and that you have this Yahweh. He's speaking of himself in the first person.

But then he's also speaking of himself in the second person. I mean, sorry, third person. And it's like this weird you try to make sense of that when you read the Old Testament. And it really is difficult to understand. So in first century Judaism, they had this thing called the Targum, which was a Targumist was someone who would take the Hebrew and.

Then they would interpret it in Aramaic so that the people could understand it. And when they went into the Old Testament and everywhere that we would read the word like God or Yahweh, they would change that to the word of Yahweh.

The same exact word logos that's used in John 1. And I can show you tons of examples of this. But I think the point is, is when you read that in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God. And by him, everything was made. Without him, nothing was made. What John is declaring here is that this Jesus who came in the flesh is

is the Yahweh from the Old Testament that appeared to all these people. So the Son of God was present even in the Old Testament, going all the way back to Genesis 1. That's why we ended that last podcast. We said, go read Genesis 1 and then read John 1, and you're going to see that these overlay. But it's not just Genesis 1 that this overlays with. This overlays throughout the entire Old Testament. Anytime you see that the word of Yahweh appearing to someone,

That's actually the sign. Which, to buttress your point, that's why in Ephesians 1, it says, before the creation of the world, you know, he predetermined to predestine us to be like him, to conform in his image. To Cy's point, he did that out of immense love and

And he hadn't even created us yet, to your point. He's always been there. The love has always been there all throughout eternity. So there's no separation of that. It's not like the Messiah is just going to show up at some point to do these things because he has no nothing in the game here. He's been a part of it from before the creation of the world. The thing about what gets me is why I always say, hey, you need to realize Jesus was a man, human.

And when you talk about that, and then when the Bible says, okay, he is the exact representation or image of the Father. Yeah, Hebrews 1.3. Okay, so when you talk about word, then the word became flesh. You got to connect the dots here, people, and make this real to you. Because most people, Jesus is not real to them because they've never seen him work.

The Robertson family, in my humble opinion, has been given a close connection of seeing him do things. Like Jake said, Jason said, when he speaks, things happen.

And we've been given the privilege of watching him do what he does. Which is what the book of Ephesians is about because it's from Jesus at the right hand of God. We believe Jesus is reigning now.

He's given his spirit to human beings. Well, he gives us his love and great life now. Exactly. Because I said it just yesterday in my sermon, over 50 times in the book of Ephesians, in Christ, in him, you know, because of him. Everything is him. It's him. Yeah. And it's not us. We make too much out of being, it's his predetermination to love us, which was the key to everything. Yeah.

So a few things, when Zach said about the Old Testament's full of it, he's exactly right. These references of Jesus, who he is, him coming. So I'll give you a couple more examples. I read these last night. They're awesome. So you had Genesis 1 and 2, but Psalm 33, the whole chapter kind of gets into this, what was going on in the beginning.

You'll read it. You'll see the connection. It sounds like John 1. Proverbs 8, which is that about wisdom. Well, wisdom becomes a man, a person that's coming that was with God in the beginning. Well, I wonder who that is.

But think, wisdom, logic. That's why when you see the word, you're seeing logic here and love. And you're seeing these three, which I think the DNA of Jesus and God, the Father, is what you see in the book of John, which is light, life, and love. You see that over everything.

And over, I mean, when you start reading John 1, it says, through him all things were made. Without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, which then you think of the opposite, which when you read Psalm 33, you'll see he starts talking about the opposite of life, which is death. Because he's like, those who do not want to come to me,

will harm themselves. And it says, the last verse in Psalm 33, they love death. Yeah. And you're like, well, they don't love death. Which, by the way, the Bible says that. It says they're going to love death. And the same analogy works for darkness being the opposite of light. Oh. Exact same thing. Well, that's where I was going. But when you see those seed lines that y'all are talking about, which there's three more of those, is light.

life and love which love comes a little later but the most famous verse in john is for god so loved the world but then when you get all the way to chapter 17

Well, all of a sudden, love's everywhere in that Jesus' prayer. That's why we have a problem with, okay, the Bible tells us, okay, if you really want to get to them, love them. Well, right. Well, I want to do a little thing. What did you say? What did you say? Psalm 33? No, Psalm 8. You said something about this one. No, it's Psalm 33. Proverbs 8.

Proverbs 8 is the wisdom. Say that again, because I want to read something after you say that. Well, Proverbs 8 is about wisdom, but it turns into a person that was with God in the beginning. That's what I'm saying. You've got to connect the dots. So listen to this. I've got to read this then, because if you read in Genesis 1, chapter 1, verse 1 and 3, I'm going to read it. I'm going to read the actual verse, and then I want to read...

how the Targumists did interpret this. How the who? The Targumists. These were the Second Temple... Not the terrorists. No, the Targumists. So they were like the sages in Second Temple Judaism that would teach the people. Yeah. So if you were a Jew and you would go to the synagogue and you would go learn from these...

then this is what they would have said. So Genesis 1. This is going to go in with what I'm going to say, so good. Targumus. Genesis 1 and 3 says, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and God said, Let there be light, and there was light. So that's what the Bible says. So my point, to jump in, then you keep going. So what is the point?

that John's making on whoever this word is because he hasn't identified him yet. He just says in the beginning was the word.

Yeah, the point I'm making, though, is that what you're saying about that passage in Proverbs 8 where wisdom is personified. The idea here is that when John's writing this, he's addressing something that was kind of accepted inside of Second Temple Judaism. They knew that somehow, some of these guys knew that wisdom was personified. They knew that the word was personified. That's why they changed it.

A lot of times when it says Yahweh, they would change it to the word of Yahweh. So the example in Genesis 1 is they would have read that verse like this, from the beginning with wisdom.

The Lord created and finished the heavens. And that's that Psalm 8, I mean, a Proverb 8 reference. Then the word of the Lord said, let there be light. And there was light according to the decree of his word. So they knew the tension in the Old Testament. And the reason why this matters is because they didn't know his name was Jesus. But they did read the Old Testament.

And they were like, something's going on here. Because there's like wisdom is personified in Psalm, I mean, sorry, Proverb 8. And there's all these references of God being seen, but then he's not seen. And how do we make other two Yahwehs? How do we make sense of all this? Well, they're trying to make sense of it. And then John comes in with this gospel. True, true. They're not connecting the dots. No, you're right, Si.

You've got to remember this. I think it's Deuteronomy 6. I could be wrong on that, but if you read the whole book of Deuteronomy, you'll find this. There's the same language in John about saying there is one God, because I want to introduce something here for our talk.

This, I was listening to Phil's favorite scholar. I don't think he's a scholar. He doesn't claim to be, but I like his teaching is this Mackie from somewhere on the West Coast. Who's Mackie? Yeah, infamously said that. Who is Mackie? But I listened to his little class on John 1, the first chapter of the prologue. So, and he mentioned this.

Proverbs 8, Psalm 33. But he also mentioned, I think, Deuteronomy 6 about this, there's one God. And the audience of Jesus didn't have a problem with that.

And one of the themes, because he mentioned a series of books by Richard Bachman. Have you heard of him, Zach? I have not heard of him. And so I said, well, who's Richard Bachman? Because he was getting this stuff from him. And he's like, he does a really good job of showing the themes in the book of John. And he's like, you wouldn't believe that.

how many there are that then references the old Testament. Well, one of them was this idea of oneness or one. And, uh, so I've looked up Richard Baldwin and listened to an hour and 15 minute lecture. He's not the most dynamic speaker, but I felt like my head was about to explode as I listened because it was really good. And what he basically said, cause so I've gone from, from, uh,

Mackie to Bachman. To Bachman. Then after my head exploded of looking up every time this idea of oneness is mentioned or won. Because what you're going to find is, remember in the prayer in John 17, it's a lot of praying about one.

I pray that they'll be one as we are one. And the whole problem, going back to that Deuteronomy 6, when all the trouble started for Jesus, and I want to read this. Even to that point, even 14, 15, 16 to John leads up to that concept of oneness because he's saying, I'm going to leave, but I'll still be here. Right.

Because I'm sitting here. Well, exactly. And look, to say this was over my head is an understatement. And so I took a couple of pictures of some of the things that he noticed. But one thing he pointed out, and don't panic because I'm not giving you the context of all this. He's like, surprisingly, when you read the book of John, it's all individualistic. All the pronouns when it comes to people are like singular. He said, which is very strange.

Because he said, you know, at some point he wants everyone to be one, but he keeps using singular. The only exception was in John 1. And just you'll see my point when I get finished with this. The only time he was plural is verse 12 of John 1 where it says,

11 and 12. These are all plural. When he's like, he came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. And he kind of made a point that he was telling a narrative here of the overall view, you know, all people. But he's like, even in John 3, 16, after he sent his son to save the world, but whoever...

which is a one that our translation puts whoever, but it's the word for one, one, any one person. And he's like, it's real individualistic. And Mackey made the point based on that. It's almost like he's writing this so that every individual person would say, okay, this is, let me introduce Jesus to you.

But then he did it in such a way that the more you read it, the different facets of who Jesus is continues to

to help you grow. Then it becomes bigger. And when he said that, it hit me because I thought, well, that's what happened to me. I first read the book of John. I thought, forget everything else. I need to follow Jesus. But now I can't stop reading it and stop learning because I keep seeing things that I didn't see the first time I read it. So his point was, going back to Baughman,

He makes this claim based on the Deuteronomy 6 that everybody went, oh, yeah, there's one God. But then when he added this, here's where the problems happen. And I'm going to read it. This is John 10, because in the next chapter, they start trying to kill him. In verse 30, watch how this works. It says, my father who has given them to me is greater than all.

So, or, let's see, what does that say? It's greater than all, greater than anyone. No one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. Well, everybody's like, that's what I'm talking about. There's one God, and he's greater than anyone. But this next statement is where the problems happen. This is what's revolutionary about what John's writing to the Jewish audience. I and the Father are one. What? There's a guy.

Who built houses. You know, I know he's seemingly done a few miracles. But when he said, I and the Father, we're talking Yahweh, the God that you trusted, the member of the laws. And I immediately go to when he asked, who do I say sent me? I am. You tell him I am sent you. Because I get over, I got one question. And here's the question. Where does everything come from?

That would be Jesus. Exactly. Everything comes from Jesus. So let me read this. Love all of it. Everything. Exactly. And here's a good point for that. In verse 38, listen to this bombshell. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles. So he's making a case. Okay, you don't believe I'm, you know. Proof in the pudding.

He's like, but I'm doing miracles. But then watch what he says. He doubles down on this statement. That you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I in the Father. Yeah. You're one.

Yeah, we're one. That's not jiving with Deuteronomy 6. They're like, where were you when Deuteronomy 6 was written? But all the rest of the people get it because you remember what John the Baptist said? He's like, Jesus is greater than me because he was before me. Wait, what?

He was the creator, and he has now become a human. Because you're right, James. What he's done is he's now expanded what the definition of the true Messiah really was. In other words, they only view the Messiah coming as a prophet, as in Elijah, to tell us about the Father. Jesus blows their mind because he says, no, no.

I and the father are one. I'm coming not just as the Messiah, but as the savior of the world, the son of God and God, which is what makes his argument so powerful. And you're right. They never, all of their history and everything they had looked for in the Messiah, the restoration of Israel, physical Israel, all the stuff that was there. They never understood that God would become flesh. And I am about it. Okay. He's all knowing he's everywhere at once. He's all powerful. I'll go.

Well, I want to read another one. So when you get to John 17, 11, look what he says. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world. Talking about praying for his disciples. And I am coming to you, Al, which was what Ephesians is about. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me.

So that they may be one as we are one. Now you're like, wait a minute, this is getting deep. Well, it's going to get deeper when he prays for all the believers. Look in verse 23 of 17. I and them and you and me, may they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

And so this Bachman made the point to go to your point when you brought up love. If you start backtracking from there in John 15, you remember when he got with his disciples and he said, "You know what real love is? Somebody lay down his life." - My first friend. - Well, why is Jesus here? Well, John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he sent his son." What is John 13 talking about? When he watched his disciples, he said, "As I did this to you, love one another."

And he just made the point. He's like, you know what you won't see in the Bible? You won't see humans in humans. You'll see humans in Christ. You'll see Christ in God. He said, but you won't see that. And he's like, and don't let that disturb you. But he's saying God is love.

And he proved it by giving Jesus. And you're seeing this like circle of love. You do see a picture though. Well, that's where I was headed. You see a resemblance based on you being in their inner circle.

I'm saying you see it in marriage, though, when the two shall become one flesh. Marriage is a picture, a reflection of what you're talking about. I might push it, depending on what he means, but I haven't read him. But I do think there's a picture in the sexual union of marriage. A man shall leave his father and mother. The two shall be united and become one flesh. Well, you have two...

Different people. Well, he says, Zach, he says exactly what you're saying. Well, his point, I was getting there. He says, although you wouldn't characterize yourself as God, you're in Christ. And then all of a sudden these reflections start happening. But the source is God's love.

And we're just imaging that in our marriages. Which is why we're in image. All right, we got much more to talk about, but we won't do it on this podcast because we're out of time. So we'll pick it up next time. That's pitiful. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.