Ep 1030 | Jase’s Joke Makes His Co-hosts Blush & Why You Definitely Wanna Go to Dinner with Willie
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Looks great. Looks great. Proud of y'all. Yeah. Nice job, Zach. I had literally nothing to do with it. I showed up. I thought, somebody's been working. Oh, yeah. Well, Zach has spent tens of dollars to really get this place up to speed, and we appreciate it, Zach. It's always good to have a nice place to, a nice warm place as we're here to do that. It's funny because we were talking before we came on the air about there used to be a saying that my granny had.

For Gordon, your dad, Zach. Because they had a little bit of a, I wouldn't say a love-hate relationship, but a little bit of a... It was contentious to some degree. Contentious. That's a good word. Contentious relationship. You know, he was... Because Gordo's like, he's a package now. I love him as much as anybody on the earth, but I'm just saying, you know, you got to get used to Gordo. And Granny, you know, she was crazy. It's more of a yuppie...

redneck vibe, and he didn't mind saying what he thought. And so that's dangerous in my family. Well, you think? And Gordo can't let anything go. So, like, if you get into some... But to be fair, I mean, to fit in, think about coming into the Robertson family. Oh, it would be very intimidating. I mean, the fact that my mom married him, it is kind of like...

That was a dangerous...

choice for her because of the dynamic of the whole, I mean, it's, yeah, it could have created a black hole. So one of the things that she would say sometimes, there'd be these little Barb comments both ways. And of course, at the time, we were young, so we just laughed because it was funny. But, you know, obviously now looking back on it, I realize these were all the dynamic relationships in a marriage and in a family. And those are, that's a big deal. I mean, you know, you get crossways with the in-laws, you're cross-waged.

But one of the things she said to him one time that became one of those things that we've joked about for probably 40 years is she said, I don't know what you were doing. You were probably down there hobnobbing at the Sonic. Oh.

Oh, yeah. Because she used to always joke about him or make fun of him for stopping at the convenience store because Gordo loves a good convenience store. Oh, my gosh. He still can't pass one up, can he? Well, it's corn nuts. He gets corn nuts. He stops at the convenience store. I mean, it is corn nuts. It used to be RC Cole. I don't know what he drinks now. But we laughed about it before we came on because we were talking about it that-

We were in such a financial state that the Sonic sounded like a place to hobnob. Oh, I know. That's not really... Well, we just came from a different environment. It's like you...

You grow gardens, you fish the river, you hunt, you eat what you shoot. When we say we grow gardens, it's not like thinking about the big fancy was in front of your house. These are the ones that produce food. Yeah, gardens that produce food. And we worked the gardens. I mean, we would catch fish, clean the fish, use the guts for fertilizer. Yeah, it was all a big process. Nothing went to waste. I was raised in an environment where you were mistrusting of nature.

Like the term fast food was the equivalent of a cuss word the way we were raised. And so. That's where the rich people ate. Well, yeah. That's at the Sonic. I think she said he was hobnobbing and high rolling at the Sonic. But even as a kid, I was sharing this before we got started up. The first time we went to a McDonald's, I mean, I remember me and Willie. I mean, we were kids. We were like, whoa.

place called McDonald's and I mean these fries are like somebody back there well I've told this story before but one time I was riding with you and Willie y'all were teenagers and so I was in my early 20s and I was sitting in the back seat of that little small Nissan truck we had had a little jumper seat back there and so they were going to Burger King in this particular instance there in West Monroe and so they pulled in they said how do you want anything and I said no I'm good and

And so then they got all their money out and they were just putting it in the middle little section there and they were raking it out. So they had it all laid out, some ones and some change. It was a drive-through nightmare for anyone behind us. So they started asking us, you know, we need four cheeseburgers, da-da-da-da-da. No, it was like a puzzle. We're looking at their little sign. Yeah.

And so we're like, how can you make this the most food? So as they're doing the thing that Jace is pulling the money or Willie is pulling the money off to see what we had left. And then they were like, okay, what do you have for like $1.26? Yeah.

She's like, well, you can get a, you know, a mick whatever, you know. You know what was funny, Al? The first time we did it, we had it all divided up and we actually had it written down on a piece of paper. And then when they gave the total, it was more. Yeah.

And we're like, what the heck's going on here? And they're like, no, we've done the math. So we're talking to the person. That's too much. And finally we realized it's taxes. Going back to what we talked about. What is wrong with this country that the tax is not factored in because it messed up our –

list. You can't eat taxes. Like how we got to figure out because we weren't very good at math. And yeah, those were good times. Put back the fries. I remember me and my sister were talking about this the other day. There was a moment and I remember the dad. We would scrounge for change but it was like you turn over the couch. You get all the cushions out of the couch, every chair. And the grocery store that we lived near had

that you could walk to, you could get, when I was about the sixth, seventh, eighth grade, you could get a package of sweet rolls. And they were like the, they weren't pinwheels, which those were really good, by the way, but they were like a sweet roll package that had a coating of white icing on them. I know just the ones you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about? And they had them for 99 cents. There was an orange, round orange sticker right on the front that said 99 cents.

Which means they had been there a day or two. Been there a day or two. So you put on the 7% tax. I actually did factor in the tax. It was about $1.06. That's why he almost went to Congress, Chase. That's why, Chase. That's what happened. But there was a moment. We could not find $1.06 worth of change in the whole house. We turned over every couch cushion ever. 99 cents? We couldn't find it.

We had scrounged it up. That was some of my early childhood memories because we didn't have any money either. Well, with our family, it was a form of rebellion. Most people, when they get teenagers, which Al kind of went down that road, you go drinking with your buddies and all. With me and Willie, it was all we were going to rebel because we couldn't tell our dad that we went to a fast food restaurant because he's like, complete waste of money. There's no telling what's going on.

What's in this stuff. Yeah. So no corduroy pants and no fast food. No fast food. So that was like a form of rebellion. And of course, now he looks like a genius because now they've come out with all these studies about fast food. It's terrible. Preserved is it'll kill you. It was like, I tried to tell you.

It's all a conspiracy theory. They're trying to hook you in and kill you. He's like, you don't do it. So he gives us a little speech about the greatest fast food or deer, ducks. Things that fly by fast. Yeah, they run fast. Head to Whole Foods Market to jumpstart your January during our New Year boosting event with savings on feel-good favorites storewide. Save on organic picks, wellness staples, and more all month long.

Fast food. It's not something we're going to go in there and they get you in and you can't get out because he's claustrophobic anyway. You know, he's in town. Now he's in line and he can't back up.

Which is a terrible feeling. I do have a slight fear of that. When the line gets held up, I'm like, I want to just start bumper cars. Because you can't leave. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm trapped, I'm trapped, I'm trapped. And now it's two lanes boxed in with the new thing. Missy recognizes that. That's Chick-fil-A. You just showed your hand there. The only fast food we eat now is Chick-fil-A. Well, that's why. It's because Jesus made that chicken. I go there occasionally, though, because I do feel better that there's two lanes. So I think...

Worst case scenario, I could just put my hand out. I could hop that curve of my truck. I've already thought about it. Oh, I've done it now. And they make a move. Well, I retired. I basically, about a year and a half ago, had the last horrible experience. And I'm not going to say the restaurant because I don't want to get sued, but...

It wasn't Chick-fil-A. And I just decided I'm not, I'm done with this. This will never, and I'm in the camp now that I will not eat fast food, period, except for I will eat Chick-fil-A because I know what I'm getting is consistent. Well, I like your high standards there and your morals there, buddy. Yeah. But let me just tell you something that's going to change your world. It's going to happen within the next few years because I had a

Good conversation with your son-in-law. They're called grandkids. Yeah. And you will wind up in fast food lines that you never thought possible. Now, I won't eat it. I won't go that far, but I have bought it. But you'll pay for it. I have paid for it. So just so you know. I ran up on one that somebody talked me into it. I want to give an endorsement here. Okay.

Maybe they'll be a sponsor. Well, they're not paying. Yeah, they should. They're not paying for this, but I'd even, I'd never heard of this place, but I was driving through is when I was coming to see you guys last week when Chase didn't give me any birthday present. Um,

I thought about it, and I thought, nah. I really thought, I mean, maybe it's me being stupid. I thought when I get on set, he'll have a $100 bill. He's going to do it. No. Never, never. You're not an older bro. There's a method to that madness that I do for the $100 bills, but I'm not going to divulge my secret right now.

I think, I'm on my way to collect my hundo that never came. And no, there's, there's a certain group of people that I will put on the list of creative gifts. Yeah. And,

And so you're in there. I just haven't thought of the perfect gift, but what I do, I'll give it to you and you'll go, Oh, well, it's somewhere in between a Honda and a honk from my 40. That's where this, that's just somewhere on that spectrum. There's a lot, there's a lot of between that. Yeah. All right. So anyways, I drive in three Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Yeah. And, uh,

Off of McFarland Boulevard, for those of you Alabama fans out there. You roll titers out there. You roll titers out there. Played with my son and wife. God bless their hearts. And there's a place that my buddy who's with me, he said, you need to try this place called Freddy's. Called Freddy's. I like Freddy's. Have you been to it? Yeah. Never heard of it. Again, grandkids.

That's like Smashburger. Smashburger, yeah. It was, I mean, it wasn't good for you, but I was like, this is a really good hamburger. Like, I enjoyed eating it. And did you read that? Did you go inside? Because if you read, they usually put up the stuff about Freddy, who's the guy that was in World War II. It's an amazing story as well, the guy. I guess I got stereotype problems because when I hear the word Freddy's, I'm thinking body shop, break shop.

Bowling alley. Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm not going to go eat at a place called Freddy's. I'm telling you. It's a good. Look, we've already established a hamburger thing on here. They got cheese curds, fried cheese curds as well. I'm telling you. It's a really good hamburger. I like it. Well, if you just go by anatomy, I think I've made the right choice.

That stung, Zach. You want to go to a body shot and eat. I think it's a body shot, but a different kind of body shot. I feel like he's calling us fat, Al. I mean, I sense that. Was there some undercurrent? Somebody put on the note, I was reading some of the comments the other day, and the guy goes, does Jace like Zach?

He doesn't understand our relationship, Zach. Somebody replied, he loves him. I love that. Zach's one of the few humans on this planet that I can actually say everything I'm thinking at all times. And I feel like it will never have any consequence on our relationship. You realize how valuable that is?

He is the poster child of you're not going to hurt his feelings. It's impossible. And he just proved the point. He called you fat. He lumped you in with me. I thought the fact that you're talking about some restaurant that I've never heard of speaks to the human anatomy. That's where I went. Well, I want to say between me, Willie...

Al and Jeff. Jeff's got an eating disorder, too. You're not like the rest. You're the weirdo. That's what we're saying. I mean, we could get into it. I mean, Willie, I went out to eat with Willie when I was in town. I'll take you out to dinner, which anytime Willie asks me out to dinner, I'm like, yes, because I know what's going to happen.

You get there and he orders everything. I mean, it's like I want seven of these. If somebody says I want an appetizer, Willie says, no, I want them all. I mean, he goes berserk and he typically orders two entrees. So he, I mean, you come out someone that can eat. So we went, the last time I ate at a restaurant, Willie, because we were in Arizona doing something, I can't remember what. And so we went to this nice restaurant and

So we get a salad. They have this bread that was there. I've talked about this before because that was fantastic. I was with you. Yeah, okay. Me and Jeff were there. That's when we went to the- You'll remember this story. PXG. So Willie gets a salad. Yep. And it said part of the salad, maybe you'll remember, it was some kind of pork fat or something. Yeah, it was pork belly. Pork belly. So Willie eats this salad, and then he calls the waiter over. He doesn't say anything to anybody eating. He eats a salad.

And I thought, that's a weird thing to put on salad. Pork belly. And Willie said, I would like to order an order of that pork belly. And the waiter was like, do I know?

He's like, I want an order of just the pork belly. I want a big platter. And then I want to put it in my belly. Yeah. And the waiter went off and brings out a platter, and it had enough pork belly. He just put that beside him. And every, the next wave of, you know, as the- He would just dip over it. He just kept eating that. And I thought-

No wonder you have a bit of a weight issue. I mean, who does this? He just went beyond the menu.

And he's like, you got to try this. And I was like, I'm scared to try it, Willie, because if I get hooked on this, none of us are getting out the door. I couldn't get off the bread at that restaurant. It was fantastic. He ordered, at our dinner, he ordered, I won't tell you what he ordered, I'll tell you what he ate. He single-handedly ate two appetizers by himself of fried alligator tail

He ate one of the, this is at, what's the place called? Parrish. Oh, yeah, Parrish. He ate one of the little duck wraps or the duck wrapped in bacon or something like that. He ate, he had a thing of Brussels sprouts. Yeah. This is just for appetizer. That's the healthy part. That's called rationalization.

Yeah. And then he had a full entree. They were probably cooked in duck fat, too. Oh, they were fried. I said, these are so good and crispy. I said, because they fry them. I think he's actually made some menu changes recently. Because that's been a while. That was years ago since I was at a restaurant. Oh, he looks good. He's actually maintained pretty well. Yeah, I think it was a moment of just like tonight, I've been eating right, but tonight we're

We're going to celebrate. And that's when you want to be there, is that. You want to be there when that happens. That's when you want to be there. I feel like we need to go to John 6, but we hadn't even got to chapter 1. We got to get to John 1 before we get to John 6. I don't know how we got off on this wait. Well, you were making fun of us for being there for late. We're working on it, Jay. I just said what people were thinking. Do you remember from back in the days when Saturday Night Live was funny?

And there was a skit on there that Mike Myers did called Middle-Aged Man. Do you remember that, Zach? Yeah.

Middle-aged man. And it was him, and he had this gut that was hanging out. And so the whole thing was he would look at somebody, and they were looking at him, and he said, are you looking at my gut? I'm working on it. So ever since then, I'm missing it. I was thinking of the Chris Farley bit where he's with Adam Sandler, and they're eating the fries. Oh, about the girls, the mean girls? Yeah.

And he's like, lay off, I'm starving. Which was also the one he did with Patrick Swayze, the famous Chippendales. Chippendales. Oh, yeah. At Chippendales, we're really looking for a lean, muscular body. Not really fat and grotesque like you have. Yeah.

But he owned it. He owned it. He did own it. He was 100%. All right. Book of John. Book of John. What a transition to the Book of John. How do we transition? Well, that's what I'm saying. John 6, he started talking about eating. I mean, it seemed weird. He feeds the 5,000. But I don't mind talking about food because everybody's got to have it. And Jesus used that for an illustration. But you said this recently, Jason, when we got back into John, that something I hadn't thought about was how many times water –

in the book of John, but also... I had a number on that, but it is... It's crazy. It's... I don't know what you want to call these things. There's a lot of theme lines that go through John. Right. But water is one of them in various ways. It's amazing how many times it keeps coming up. Oh, and I brought up the one about testifying. Yeah. It's like making the case 36 times life is mentioned. Right. Which, when you think about it, what's our biggest problem?

Death? Yeah. I mean, you want to... I've added that. When I say the Bible's about Jesus, and then I say, and the preservation of life as we know it. Just think about that. Right. So 36 times he talks about life.

Come to Jesus and you'll have light. What does that mean? So we left off the last time we were looking at this, we read 1 through 5, speaking of life, was life and light, which is where he got. Then we get to verse 6 in John 1, and I want to read this because we're going to spend a big chunk of the rest of John 1 talking about John the Baptist, and he brings him up. The reason I mention water...

It's because the first time we see this idea about baptism in water, there was a ceremonial cleansing that happened in the tabernacle and the temple. Some have tried to make this comparison, but what John was doing had never been done. It was never done in the Old Testament. Yeah. The closest thing you could say was maybe Naaman, you know, being dunked in the Jordan to cleanse his leprosy. Well, now look, I swear that you bring this up. I cannot believe you brought this up. I spent...

Two hours last night trying to figure out what this meant, where it says, no, where is that at? When he says, this all happened at Bethany. Where's that at? Chapter 1. 28. All right, so 28, you read that. This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan where John was baptizing. Seems simple enough, right? Yep.

Well, later, Jesus goes to Bethany. John 11. John 11, where he resurrects Lazarus. Yep. So just stay with me on this. Those are two different places. Really? Look it up. 100%. Look it up. Mr. Scholar.

Do you want to get in on this or do you want me to explain this? I'm going to wait until you explain. Oh, I've come up with something nobody's noticed. Only the scholars. Not different place because they look up if you go down the rabbit hole on this.

I would have assumed it was the same Bethany from John 11. I would have assumed that. Now, here's the problem. So let me set up the controversy before you say something, because I don't want you to say something you'll regret. Because I looked this up in depth, because I thought— I won't regret it. I'll just say I'm wrong. I don't mind. This doesn't make sense. I was like, because when you start looking at it geographically, because I've been to Israel, and that's why I did this. I was like, wait a minute. This seems like a long way away.

From where we're at. So as you go down the rabbit hole, you're going to see the same thing. Well, then I went to the... Because Bethany and John 11 is pretty close to Jerusalem because he was going there at night. Exactly. Okay, I got it. And so they... I'm tracking. They do the math, the miles it would take. Yeah. It doesn't add up. Yeah. It was so funny to listen to what all these scholars say about this. In fact, our guy, Mackie...

He thinks John purposely mispronounced this word because there was a place, the place where this Bethany would have been, but it was like Beth-ba-bar, I think, or something like that. It was a lot of Bs and Rs and As. Beth-ba-bar. So I looked that up, and they're like, well, maybe...

Forgetting what Mackie said, because he's like, maybe he was just like shadowing because he brought up John's baptism. And here's the point. The Beth Babar means...

of Ford, which I thought, Ford? You know, when I think of Ford, I think of a truck. But actually, it's a shallow place in the river. Well, then I thought, well, what's the significance? So the place John was baptizing, this Bethany, was a shallow place. Well, what is the significance of crossing the Jordan? Now,

Now, that's why when you brought up Naaman, that's why I'm connecting this. I got it. And so this is like a liberation. It's a new exodus. Here's Jesus. We're crossing over the Jordan. I thought, now I like this. And so a lot of the scholars say that evidently this was called Bethany at that time under the disciples' watch, because that means house of...

Fig trees, I think. House of healing, house of, no, it's lamentation or figs. Because there was a place where they believed there was like, in the place in John 11, that Bethany, it was like, you know, a lamentation and healing. Well, Jesus ultimately, the shadow of that, he resurrected a dead body. I'd call that some pretty good healing. So, but they say this, the significant thing,

was that they changed that from Bethany, where John was baptized, into this Beth Babar, which is why Mackey said he just thinks he's...

being coy about this, but okay, I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that. That John the Apostle, the one who wrote this. Who wrote this is like using a version of the Word to simulate, well, this is actually the cross and the Jordan. Jesus is coming. There's a new exodus. This is the new creation. Look, I'm agreeing with all that. But I think maybe this place was called Bethany, and then they changed it to Beth-Babar based on it being

the new Exodus, the new... And it's probably the place he baptized Jesus as well, when you think in that low place. Oh, exactly. But I did think it was fascinating. I mean, what does that all really mean? I just think that it was symbolizing, to go back to John 1, 1, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And he's coming to fulfill the problems with the creation,

And he does. And these are kind of some hallmarks there. But...

I thought that was very interesting. I like where you're going with this because I think that a lot of the New Testament is, when you can overlay it with the story of the Old Testament, that you see that there is almost like a rectifying of everything that went wrong in the Old Testament. And so that's the book that I picked up recently that I mentioned on the podcast before, which

by Michael Heiser, The Unseen Realm. That's really his point in the book. So you get John 1, for example, and when we read that in the beginning it was the Word, the Logos, or Logos, however you want to say it, and the Logos was with God and the Logos was God. When you read that, we typically don't see that in the context of something from the Old Testament, but he is...

calling on Genesis chapter 1 there, that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. His point is that this Logos in John 1 is the God from Genesis 1. It's the same person who created all things, but by Him all things are created. Without Him nothing was made. And also, I've mentioned this on a previous podcast, and I preached on this Sunday, but I think it's so interesting that when you go back and you read

These Targums, which were essentially a translation of the Hebrew text in the Aramaic, that in the first century, second temple Judaism, they would reinterpret the Old Testament so that people could understand it in the Aramaic. And when they would look in the scripture and they would recognize in the Old Testament, they recognize there was a problem with a lot of the text because it would read as if there were two verses.

different Yahwehs. For example, Genesis 9, when it says, don't basically kill people because man is made in the image of God. In the image of God, He created him. Whenever they looked at that, they're like, why would God speak about Himself in the third person? It's almost like there's two gods. What they essentially did was they came up with this idea that there's the word of Yahweh and

And then there's Yahweh. And they were separate persons. This isn't like Jewish people said this, not Christians. And so the word when it translates was logos, the word of Yahweh, the logos of Yahweh. So when John writes this, he's basically saying, hey, you know, the guy from the Old Testament that y'all called the word of Yahweh? Yeah, he has a name. His name is Jesus. And he became flesh. So there is this overlay here.

in the book of John with the Old Testament, that all things are kind of being made new through Jesus. I like where you're going with that, Jase. Well, actually, I mean, it kind of taught me a lot of things. No wonder Ford was named after Henry Ford, because if the meaning is you can cross a shallow stream...

He invented a car. You just come up with a new marketing campaign for a Ford truck. They need to get back to their roots. Jason and I drive Fords, so I guess that's why. I just thought that was weird. And I thought, here's a place he was baptizing. And like you said, Al, they were in a ceremony in Washington and all this, but he's baptizing people saying –

you know, believe in the one who's coming after. And even though that it says, well, Jesus is going to baptize you with the Holy Spirit, obviously meaning he's going to pour out his spirit later, which John 14, 15 and 16 talks about the significance of him leaving the spirit. He's like, I'm going to leave, but I'm not going to leave you alone. And then he gets into this. He'll be with you and in you, you know, it's just fascinating passages.

But that doesn't mean that actual act of baptism stopped. Even from John the Baptist, it continued. Remember when Jesus said, you know, his last words, Matthew 28, go into the world, preach the gospel.

baptizing, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father. Mark's account kind of gave the same. And even you see that all through the book of Acts. You see it in the book of Romans. So it made me think, especially in light of life being a part of this

narrative all through John. You know, when in Romans 6, when Paul says we were baptized into Christ's death, well, it made me think of every time in the book of John and the other gospels on how many times Jesus started discussing his death and what was going to happen and the implications of that. And so one of them I just want to pick out because I really got excited about this. Because you say, what does that mean?

We're baptized because here's John the Baptist. Now we're fast forward. And now the spirits come out. You have this commission by Jesus. And now Paul's writing the Romans. He has that little interesting Romans 6, 1 through 4 about you're baptized into his death. It's like you're, it's like you're gossiping in life. You're dying, being buried and raised, but it says you're baptized into his death. Right.

And so I think we tend to think in our Western America churches, all right, what did Jesus die for? What do we immediately say? Our sin. Oh, he died for our sin. But when you start looking at all the times he talked about his death, there were other implications on what that meant. And I want to pick one. And this one I thought was really exciting. So when John 12, when he gives the idea about

His death and then he was going to die. This is in verse John 12, verse 30. They heard a voice. We'll study this when we get there, but it says, now is the time for judgment on this world. And now the prince of this world will be driven out. But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.

Now watch verse 33. He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die. And you say, well, what was the implications there? He's like, I'm going to drive the prince of this world, meaning who? Satan. Satan, the evil one, out. Well, think about this. When you read Hebrews 2 and you have this incredible narrative about Jesus becoming a human, which is what we're talking about in John 1, the word became flesh. Yep.

The whole chapter is about him becoming a human. Why? To save other humans, right? But when he gets to the end of Hebrews 2, he brings up this same idea that I just read in John 12, if I can find Hebrews. Listen to what he says in Hebrews 2.14. Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death,

He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. Well, it just kind of hit me there. I thought, man, when Paul said you're baptized into his death, that death drove the prince of demons, the evil one, the satanic forces away.

out not only of the authority of this world, but I thought drove him out of my life, you know, into life in Christ, which is what Romans 6 said. So I just was just saying, I think we should expand our horizons when we talk about

the implications of that, on Jesus' death, of all the things that that means for us. Because then it goes back to the same kind of thing about Jesus freeing those, you know, back to Exodus.

Yeah, I mean, I'm probably not equipped to do this off the cuffs, but I will say— Oh, I'm sure you are. You have the Holy Spirit. No, because I just started looking into this. But yeah, when you think about these places that Jesus went—

And what I'm thinking about in the Book of Mark, when he goes in to cast out the demon into the Gentile territory, that's not a – these are not accidental geographical locations that he winds up in. And the only point is not for him to display his divinity.

by casting out the demons, there's something else going on that fits into the bigger narrative of the entire scripture. And that, I think that's the thing. There's like, there's a reason why he's in that place because he's conquering and declaring the

victory over the demonic realm in that place, which relates to something that happened in the Old Testament, just like in the book of Acts chapter 2 on the day of Pentecost. That's not just an event that is only about the coming of the Holy Spirit. It's also about the bigger story of what happened at the Tower of Babel when God confused their languages and scattered them. Now he's bringing them

back together and they're hearing each other speak in their own native tongue. So it's a rectifying of what happened at the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11. So I think there's all these themes and that's why we grew up in it. At least I grew up in a church setting that when you brought up the Old Testament and they would always say it doesn't apply. I've heard that. If I've heard that once, I've heard it. That's the old way. That's the old code. That's written, done away with. It doesn't matter. Only stick to the New Testament. The problem is when you do that,

is that you miss out on the bigger, grand narrative of the entire vision of what God is doing. And then you miss out on the significance of the unseen realm, that Jesus is coming and clearly claiming kingship over. What a lot of people miss, you have two baptisms.

here in this New Testament era, the first century of John's baptism or repentance, and he points to Jesus and this idea of baptism of the Spirit. So you get over in Acts 19, you see that there's this idea there were two different baptisms, and a lot of times people were trying to figure that out in the first century. But did you realize there were two baptisms in the Old Testament as well? One is mentioned, Paul mentions it in 1 Corinthians 10, and that's when the people are coming out of

the Exodus coming out of Egypt, it says there were walls of water and a cloud over the top of them. So in a sense, that symbolized a baptism, them coming out of slavery into the wilderness, the possibility of freedom. Most people don't- But doesn't 1 Corinthians 10 kind of mention that? It does. It says it exactly. It calls it a baptism. Moses' baptism is what he called it. Yeah. But you know what's interesting is when those, you know, remember then they have 40 years, they're wandering around, a bunch of people didn't believe, they wanted to go back, and so they died out.

So a new generation gets right there to the edge of the promised land. They come up on the Jordan River. Guess what? It's flooded. Yeah. But they got to get across to get in to go to Jericho. And what happened? And what happened? There was a second miraculous crossing. That's why I brought this up. Do you think it's an accident that John the Baptist has found this little place that's called the Ford Crossing? Yeah. Because I can't say that word, Beth-ba-bar. And they call it Bethany. Bethany.

So it just, to me, it like overwhelmed me thinking this is God's plan. It wasn't that it was a negative thing. The law was good. Moses is here. So when it says, verse 17, for the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Jesus is fulfilling God.

the unfaithfulness of the Jewish nation by becoming a Jew, a human. And it's all starting here at this magical place where God once split the seas and let them cross. And now we got a guy who looks a lot rougher than me baptizing people in the same Jordan River. Yeah.

And that's why it was a shallow crossing, because it's a lot easier to baptize someone in shallower water. Yeah. Because if the water's over your head, everybody's going to be baptized. We call it a mass baptism. But the difference is between the first time of the crossing of the Jordan River and this time is in Jesus' time.

It's accomplished. In Jesus, it's finished. But isn't this cool how he wrote this? That's why I'm saying once you go into the weeds, it becomes something that, and I think he did it on purpose because you can always go here and learn something. I mean, I've been following Jesus for 40 years.

I never knew that Bethany was two different places. Well, how'd I miss that? Because nobody wants to touch that with a 10-foot pole because they're like, doesn't add up. It's so weird because people go there and try to say, oh, it's a mistake. I'm pretty sure it's not a mistake. No, God didn't make a mistake. But that's people who don't believe. And they're like, well, what does that mean? And so I told you what I thought. Well, what I thought was all cool because I thought –

this is really cool. I don't know exactly what the answer is, but I know, uh, it, it, the actual name of the place where he was at later that it became that Beth Babar was meaning a house of a, of a shallow crossing, you know, I like the idea of that shadow coming forward. All

All right, so we're out of time. Man, that went fast. Out of time? Yeah. Well, that went faster. It went by fast. Too much fast food, not enough Jesus. So we're out of time. Man, what a great study this is. We will get into the rest of John the Baptist. Trust me, it's coming, but we just keep finding cool stuff that's out in this text. So next time we get together, we'll get to John the Baptist. I'm not ashamed.

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