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Welcome everybody, Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now. Thanks to the guy who high-fived me on the way out of the gym today, Clay, says he listens every day, loves the show. I wish I could have stayed longer, but I was like, I gotta go do the show. So it was a close one, had to run home, but I got here and we have a lot going.

To get into today, President Trump announcing 80,000 documents on the assassination of JFK will be released. And he has asked that the files not be redacted. I can't imagine how there would be any justification to continue a redaction at this point, but we shall see what is released.

Remember, 80,000 pages. So anybody who, within minutes of this thing, of the document drop, says, I know who killed JFK, just grain of salt. Like, let's see what's actually in this thing. I know. I'm not going to take out my womp womp button quite yet on it. We'll see. But I am in wait-and-see mode for sure. President Trump has announced...

That Hunter and Ashley Biden will no longer have Secret Service protection. They had clay 18 and 13 agents assigned. That is crazy. Respectively. Hunter Biden had 18 Secret Service agents. 18 Secret Service agents. Like, this is outrageous. Outrageous. I mean, this. But, you know, if you're the president, the way they usually do this is they start to fade it out.

I mean, presidents, I guess, former presidents. I think once you get past two terms, you really don't need a Secret Service detail anymore. I'm a little bit of maybe a radical on this whole thing. I think people just need to, like, get a grip. It's okay. No one cares that you were president three presidents ago that much. You know, like, don't go to Moscow on vacation and you'll be fine. So anyway, I find this. I think we've gotten way too much of a Praetorian. I didn't realize it was 18 years.

That is crazy. I mean, that is this guy was traveling with a platoon of Secret Service agents in case what? I mean, think about and think about what they probably saw, too. Don't even get me started. And also, to your point, it's not I mean, he lived in Malibu. I mean, do we think that he was in perpetual danger from all of the super libs in Malibu like that they were going to do something to him?

No, this is just so that you can have a taxpayer-funded chauffeur and security. And, you know, I want to know what all these guys are doing all the time. The whole thing is completely outrageous. And this thing, you know, we allow presidents to determine really what the presidents get and get.

These guys have way too much. It's crazy. The former presidents, some of them have just... I think, like Nixon said, I want to get my own... I mean, I wouldn't want... It doesn't feel to me like it would be very much fun to have security with you. I mean, we've had to have security for some events. Obviously, when somebody wanted to kill me, we had security. So we have security off and on. I'm not knocking the idea. But it isn't a...

18 agents is, for someone who has ever had security, is an absolutely insane number. And I remember if I recall, maybe we'll talk to Miranda Devine about this tomorrow, because she really kind of broke this story on the New York Post. But

Buck, it also was the case that I believe that Secret Service was renting a high-end mansion next door to him to use as the base to be able to protect Hunter when he was living in the sugar daddy's house in Malibu. Yeah, the whole thing is outrageous, man. This is completely unjustifiable. And I think that it's the right move. Look, presidents...

You know, they need to be protected, especially this president need to be protected with whatever is required. But, you know, if you were just the most recent president. OK, but your family, Ashley Biden, give me give me a break. All right. You know, you got to live with a certain degree of just life is uncertain. I'm sorry. Like you can't go around on your 20 secret service agents the rest of my life, please. All right. So anyway, that that's something we can we can talk a little more about. Ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

is over. Israeli jets have been striking Gaza and the Israelis are just saying they're not waiting for

They're not waiting for hostages anymore. Enough is enough. That judge who ordered the planes to turn around with the Trenda Aragua members on it is really digging in and getting crazier and crazier, which we will make some sense of today. And yes. Oh, and then we have what's going on right now. Why don't we jump into this one? Because I think it ties into everything. Trump has been on the phone this morning with Vladimir Putin.

And remember, Clay, last week the conversation was, oh, it's too early and there's so many conditions and really downplaying that Trump was even likely or was even possible he could get any kind of a breakthrough. If this results, if this call results in a ceasefire, and we should know pretty imminently, I think, if at least a ceasefire has been preliminarily agreed to, does the media cover it as a breakthrough or do they cover it as, well, we won't really know? Yeah, look,

The ceasefire in general is now ended in the Middle East, right? So ceasefires are not perpetual, never-ending ceasefire realities. But I do feel like if they start the ceasefire in Ukraine with Russia, tell me if you agree with this.

At least during Trump's remaining term in office, Vladimir Putin will not invade Ukraine anymore. Do you feel good about that? Like if you had to predict based on what we saw in the first term when he didn't invade,

And whatever you feel about this, I do believe that Trump and Putin have a somewhat decent relationship that actually is brought together by the total lie that Russia won Trump the 2016 election. Trump knows that's not true. Putin knows that's not true. We, and by the way, the United States...

I'm curious if you would agree with this, Buck. Probably spends more money trying to influence foreign elections than any country in the world. So the idea that we're going to be grabbing our pearls and falling onto a fainting couch that other countries would in some way seek favor in our own elections when we are, I believe, probably the biggest manipulator of international elections of any country in the world.

But they didn't have any massive impact. The whole Russia collusion story was a lie. The money that Russia spent on Facebook ads was a pinprick of what was spent, like $100K of billions of dollars that were spent. Hardly anyone saw them. They were poorly designed.

My point on this is I think the Trump-Putin relationship is actually closer because of the lies that they both went through there. I don't feel like if we get a ceasefire, Putin will violate it. Am I crazy in your mind as a former CIA analyst? Put your CIA analyst hat on here. How would you assess the likelihood? I think you have to add to that that these are two men who...

recognizing each other, historic figures and alpha dogs, so to speak. I think that that's a that shouldn't be underestimated, that there is some degree of

respect between these two i don't know if it would be affection but it's respect you know i'm not sure they like each other but they definitely look at each other as two guys who like i said they're they're historic they are men of the moment and yes i think that if there is a ceasefire that is agreed to i think that putin knows that making trump look silly is is a dangerous thing to do

meaning that there would be real consequences for Russia that he does not want. And I think that Putin recognizes that is true now. That was not true in the same way, obviously, under Biden when he invaded on Biden's watch and did all this stuff. So we are in a better situation. I think that...

You know, there'll be there'll be some negotiating that happens here. This is not going to be everyone comes out of this phone call today high fiving and the war is over. And, you know, Russian Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are going to be kissing ladies out in the street in jubilation. That's not going to happen, unfortunately. But I think that you might get to, you know, a couple of points have to be agreed to. And then there'll be a ceasefire for 30 days.

And then we'll see. And the ceasefire is going to be a rolling process. Look, the same thing has been true with the Israeli ceasefire, which just ended. The Israelis said, OK, we'll do a ceasefire and we have these conditions and this is what we expect. And Hamas, because it's a psychopathic terrorist organization, violates the conditions, won't give back the hostages. So then fighting resumes.

You may see something similar with Russia and Ukraine, but your point overall, I think, is true, which is,

You're not going to have Trump say, I think we've got to ceasefire for 30 days, and then 10 days into it, Vladimir Putin is pulling some nonsense, firing missiles into Kiev, and acting like he can get away with whatever he wants, because there will be consequences when Trump is the commander-in-chief. Financial, maybe. Diplomatic, maybe. Maybe other stuff. But Trump's not going to allow that to go unpunished. Yeah, I think you're right. And look...

I am genuinely curious how the media will cover it.

I saw, I was reading over the weekend, Buck, I don't know if you saw it, they do this gridiron dinner where everybody in the media comes and they make their usual jokes. And your boy, Governor Wes Moore of Maryland, got up and made all these jokes about Russia and Trump and how Trump is Putin's stooge, and everybody was just rolling over laughing. And...

It feels to me such an antiquated joke to be making, but I would almost guarantee for you that whatever the peace agreement or ceasefire is reached between Ukraine and Russia, that it will somehow be used as evidence that Trump is the Manchurian candidate for Vladimir Putin. And I say that

because they don't seem to be able to come up with any other new lines of attack. Isn't that kind of interesting? Like, Trump is in office right now, and leave aside the fact that the Democrat Party has lit itself on fire, lowest approval ratings going all the way back for NBC and CNN as long as they've been doing those polls, right? Literally have never been lower. But the thing that maybe surprises me the most

They can't even come up with any new lines of attack. They tried the, oh, it's President Elon. And everybody was like, yeah, that's not really working, right? Because you told us he's a dictator. So is he a dictator or is he actually just the stooge of someone else? Like they're actually mixing messages. They can't even figure out what their attack angle is on Trump right now. It is deep in the recesses of Trump.

the Democrat mind right now, but I really do believe that there is a widespread quiet panic that they will never address and they will never accept. But it's in the back of their minds, and it's saying, maybe you were just wrong about this top to bottom. Maybe you were just wrong about this guy in every respect.

And he's actually going to be great for the country. And you did everything possible to ruin and destroy him. And he just kept on coming. And it's going to benefit not just his voters, but America. As you know, people, we saw this with COVID, people would rather look like morons than accept that they were really wrong on something they were very dug in on.

And you're even seeing some of these people, I think you're right, Buck, privately, they're having light bulbs go off and they're thinking, what if I was actually on the wrong side of history? Right? Because remember how long they hit us with that all through? You're enabling, you're platforming, you're on the wrong side of history. I don't hear wrong side of history arguments really anymore. We can just take stock of this for a minute. They said, and it was a widespread narrative,

Across the entire Democrat Party, from the top down, from Kamala to who was the guy who was their vice president, Tim Walz, all these people.

They said he was a fascist and that he was Hitler like that. He was he was America's Hitler. Here we are. It's not even two months in. He's bringing Astro. He's let an astronauts come back from outer space while Biden left them up there stranded for political reasons. He secured the border, which every country should be allowed to do. And every Democrat said they wanted to do what they were lying about.

He's trying to get rid of government waste, fraud, and abuse. He's trying to end a horrific meat grinder of a war that has got hundreds of thousands of casualties and no end in sight. Does any of this sound like Hitler stuff?

Like, where's the scary fascist stuff? Yeah. He's got the richest man in the world working for free to try to stop waste and fraud so the price of eggs will come down. And wow, guess what? The price of eggs is already coming down, Clay. Remember when two weeks ago it was, why hasn't he brought the price of eggs down? I'm literally looking right now from our friend Libs of TikTok Buck.

Price of eggs since he entered office has collapsed by 50%. I mean, their attack angles, according to her, January 21st, 2025, and I will, let me be clear, because I always get egg emails. People are like, it cost this at my store. I was like, okay, I'm not an expert at what you paid for eggs this morning, all right? But according to Haya at Libs of TikTok,

$6.55 was the average cost of a dozen eggs when Trump entered office on January 21st. They now cost $3.22. That's half, right? And I apologize. If you paid $4.60 this morning, I don't need you to email me about what the Safeway cost in your hometown. I'm just telling you nationwide that's the average now. You know what they're going to have to explain to us on Morning Joe, though? You know who is really opposed to eggs costing too much?

Hitler. Just like Hitler, bringing the price of eggs down. Hitler, I always loved when we were at Mar-a-Lago with Trump and he insisted that we get milkshakes because Mar-a-Lago made the best milkshakes. Classic Hitler move. Just total Hitler move. It's like your lives are beautiful, we're getting everyone milkshakes, high fives for everybody, just like Hitler would have done.

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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Occasionally you see a butt kicking on cable news that involves so much knowledge. It is so erudite, so exceptional.

you feel like everybody was done a favor by this. The anchor who gets completely crushed by the guest who knows a lot more. The audience, including audience that does not like the conservative guest because at least they're learning something. And all of us get to just cheer and

And clap and laugh about how the whole thing went down. Stephen Miller, we should put this up on clayandbuck.com. In a nine-minute long segment that was essentially about whether this judge who decided that he would tell planes in the air that they had to turn around. Think about the authority. Think about the power that this judge thinks that he has. The planes have already left.

I am ordering those planes to turn around and come back to the United States. One, there are hundreds of federal district judges across the country, hundreds of them. One of them can just be like, I disagree with this move by the president. He has to bring the planes home. Oh, okay. Stephen Miller had an exchange with one of the is a Casey Hunt.

Is that right? I don't even know who's on CNN at this point. Yeah. Tomato, tomato. Right. So I'm not sure. But he had an exchange with a CNN anchor. We wanted to hear some parts of this. We broke it up for you. It's nine minutes long. The whole thing's up at Clay and Buck.

But Stephen Miller was taking no prisoners on this one. One of his best. He's had many good moments on TV, but one of his very best. The school bus was parked out front and school is in session. Play clip one. This judge violated the law. He violated the Constitution. He defied the system of government that we have in this country. Because that does seem to be what you're arguing. The same district court judges didn't do a damn thing to him.

Stop Joe Biden from flooding this nation with millions of illegal aliens. Do these district court judges didn't issue any injunctions to save the lives of Jocelyn, Hungary, or any federal courts? Is that what you're saying? What I'm saying is that what you said, there's a separation of powers. The judiciary exercises judgment and relief. I don't speak for the White House. You are here to speak for the White House. I will do. You're here to speak for the White House. I just want you to answer that one simple question. Ready? Here we go. Under.

a proper reading of the Constitution. District court judges provide relief to individual plaintiffs seeking relief. District court judges do not have the authority as a general matter to enjoin the functioning of the executive branch, but their authority is at its lowest point

point when the president is exercising his powers as commander in chief. And I asked you a question. You never answered it. Can a judge in joint troop movements overseas? Can a district court judge in joint troop movements overseas? Stephen, yes, I am not going to get into the just say no. And then you'll know that I'm right.

I like that. I'm going to steal that one for the next time I get into an argument with my wife. I don't know if Steven uses that one with his lovely wife, Katie. Just say no so that you'll know that I'm right is probably not a marital argument tactic that works well, but it's phenomenal television, Buck.

I mean, that was just a whipping. Here's what is at the core of the... And again, it's nine minutes, which we can't play the whole thing on air, but you can go to clayandbuck.com. We'll have it up there for if you want to see it in one place. It's worth watching if you can. It's nine minutes, and there's a lot of things that are an issue, but really at the core of the whole thing, Clay, is these judges... First of all, we talk about the number because you can tell this is how partisan leftists, some of whom are judges...

have decided that they're going to oppose Trump. They're just going to stop him from doing things that, as president, he has the right and the authority to do. They're just going to say, no, you can't do that, and they'll eventually get overturned by the Supreme Court, and they know that, but they're just going to keep trying to stop him

If if he if a judge is allowed to tell the president when he has used executive authority to expel non-citizens from the United States, you have to turn the plane around. Can a judge say you can't bomb the Houthis in Yemen? You have to turn those missiles around or you have to turn those planes around. Like, where does it stop and start?

I think that's why Stephen Miller's argument is so persuasive. Also, I'm going to circle back to that in a sec, Buck, but...

This is, I think, emblematic of why Trump 2.0 is so much more successful than Trump 1.0 was. Trump got his fighters and he put his team together and they are a dream team of advisors of an incredibly high intellect. How many IQ points do you think the difference between Stephen Miller and that CNN anchor was, Buck? 20?

I mean, this is there's a miss. There's a mismatch here. There is a mismatch to be sure. And there is a high level of intellectual heft that did not exist on the same level for Trump 1.0. And I think when you hear the Trump team make their arguments and you see how well they can slap down the counter arguments, it is incredible how

how much difference there is in not only intelligence but also comprehension of the issues. Now let me circle back because I think this is an important part of the larger story here. What Stephen Miller is pointing out is that federal district court judges do not have the authority to micromanage the power of the executive branch.

Trump, clearly, and even this CNN anchor didn't argue, Trump clearly has the ability to, as you pointed out, order strikes against the Houthis or to decide that he wants to, in some way, move around brigades inside of Europe or in the United States. There isn't an ability of a federal district court judge to challenge it. And Democrats are so desperate to restrain Trump that

That what you really have, and this is why the Supreme Court needs to look at this, is a distinction between the Supreme Court reviewing and the judiciary reviewing the acts of the executive to determine whether or not they are constitutional.

in a big picture sense, and micromanaging on a day-to-day basis the individual actions that the executive orders. And what they're trying to do, and this is what I was pointing out yesterday, arguing about birthright citizenship is the province of the judiciary. That's a big picture thing. Trump said, executive authority, hey, I'm interpreting the 14th Amendment this way. Courts are going to have their take. I actually think that's going to be a challenge for Trump, even at the Supreme Court.

But Trump has the clear ability to make decisions as it pertains to border security, which is the same thing that Biden was allowed to do, unfortunately, to the detriment of the country. And so Stephen Miller is just destroying this argument that this is

left-wing CNN host is trying to make. And you know this, Buck, from television. There's probably some frantic producer in her ear trying to give her all the resources she needs. Yeah, they're trying to bail her out. And this also, though, I think, goes to what the administration learned from the first

term to this term and that is the process is the punishment, delay is the game and they can't allow that to happen. A big part of people will say this and they don't like when I point this out but then they always admit that I'm right. I'll hear people on the right who voted for Trump say, well, Russia collusion, it didn't work.

I mean, it didn't get all the way, but it certainly slowed down and jammed up and messed up the administration in 2017 to have to deal with all the nonsense and the media and the lawyers and the depositions and everything else.

Here's Stephen Miller saying, we see the game here. If every person that Trump is going to deport who is an illegal gets a federal judge saying, no, you can't do that, then the whole thing just collapses. This is cut to play it. How?

How are you going to expel illegal alien invaders from our country who are raping little girls, who are murdering little girls, if each and every deportation has to be adjudicated in a district court judge? That means you have no country. It means you have no sovereignty. It means you have no future. It is fundamentally incompatible to have a country and have individual expulsions adjudicated by a single district court judge. I'm just trying to figure out at what point in the system do you...

What does the Trump administration believe? Because we do have separation of powers in this country. I hear what you're saying. Yes, separation of powers. This is the judiciary interfering in the executive function. That is the separation of power. Did you ignore the judge's order here because you thought you could? So the judge's order and the actions taken by the Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security are not in conflict. And the Department of Justice has been clear that they are not in conflict.

See, the whole thing here with the CNN anchor, to be clear, is they want the administration to say, well, they're just ignoring judges. And then that becomes, oh, my gosh, you know, constitutional crisis and all the rest of it. But in reality, the judge's order was insane. OK, yes, plane plane in flight. Turn the plane around. All right.

And Stephen, he went in to point this out. He's like, do they know what route the plane is on? This is a national security issue. It's got a bunch of trend at Aragua terrorists on it. You're just going to change the route. Do you know who's meeting the plane on the other side? What? The whole thing.

It is insane that this judge did this, but if you go and you look at him, he's got a super anti-Trump lunatic wife. He was involved with the Russia collusion FISA nonsense. He's an anti-Trump hashtag resistance psycho. It's like a member of, what's that group, the Lincoln Project or whatever? It's like the Lincoln Project has a judge, and it's this guy.

Yeah, and look, this is the angle. I told you that this is the angle they're going to try to take yesterday. They're very clearly going to try to avoid arguing against what Trump did in terms of the deportation.

And instead, Buck, they're going to argue he's a dictator. He's defying court orders. Right? They're not going to talk about whether the court order was legitimate. They're not going to talk about what the court order actually did or would have required, which is bringing felons back into the country. They're going to talk about the fact that he defied an order. And I'll tell you what they're also going to do. And we told you this was coming. But prepare yourself.

Trump is not going to be flawless on the deportations. I'm just telling all of you this. He's not going to be flawless. They're going to get the wrong guy. It's impossible to be 100% accurate. And what they're going to do is they're going to find that anecdote, that guy who was misidentified, and they're going to turn him into a national symbol of Trump's authoritarianism.

And this is why anecdotal stories, Buck, are often unfair because the anecdote should be representative of the larger story. People connect on a story basis. When an anecdote is the outlier, which is what happened with BLM, most people have great relationships and interactions with police. One thing goes bad, and this is indicative of how every black person in America is treated. And so it's fundamentally unfair. It's propaganda.

This is what they're trying to do right now with this Mahmoud Khalil guy. What you're saying is what they're trying to do right now. Now, Mahmoud Khalil is, for a lot of us, not sympathetic at all. So that's the only difference. But they've tried to rally around this guy and say that he is the first example of Trump's overreach and authoritarianism and all the rest of it, you know.

Yeah, I mean, try try not to have some pro Hamas Jew hating maniac as your as your standard bearer and things will probably better off for the Democrats. But we'll see. Once again, with Trenda Aragua, you have Democrats going to the mat to defend really the worst of the worst, the worst of the worst. And that's the other part of this, too, Clay. Like we're arguing about this on the on the legal grounds and the constitutional grounds.

For a lot of people, it's just, you know, I just don't want these scumbag gang members who aren't even allowed to be in the country in the first place to be here anymore. And whoever gets rid of them, I like that. Get them out of the country. Trump understands that aspect of this, too. There's no normal person who's like, you know what we really need? More Trina Aragua hitmen in America. That would be good. Let's have more of that.

So, yeah, he's he's forcing them to to to take some very unpopular stands. But Democrats, again, run up the scoreboard, everybody. We've got to keep running up the scoreboard. That's what Trump's doing. I don't know if Carolina comes the best kept secret in the firearms industry. Bear Creek Arsenal. So keep that name in mind when you're shopping for your next rifle or handgun. Whether you're an outdoorsman during hunting season or you like spending time at the range, owning a Bear Creek Arsenal firearm will be a great experience for you.

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Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Okay, a report on what Trump and Putin spoke about is now out. I am reading this from Caroline Levitt.

who posted this on social media. Today, President Trump and President Putin spoke about the need for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine war. Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a lasting peace. They also stressed the need for improved bilateral relations between the United States and Russia. The blood and treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in this war would be better spent on the needs of their people.

Conflict should have never started and should have ended long ago with sincere and good faith peace efforts. Again, I'm reading from the statement. The leaders agreed the movement to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire as well as technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea, full ceasefire and permanent peace. These negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East.

The leader spoke broadly about the Middle East as a region of potential cooperation to prevent future conflict. They further discussed the need to stop proliferation of strategic weapons and will engage with others to ensure the broadest possible application. The two leaders shared the view Iran should never be in a position to destroy Israel again.

And the two leaders agreed a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the U.S. and Russia has huge upside, including enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved. That is the statement that was just released on the call between Putin and

and Trump. Cleaning up a little bit earlier, we were talking about when was the last time Biden talked. Biden had not spoken to Putin since the invasion of Ukraine. He did speak to him in 2021. Just FYI, we were asking, I was, whether they had spoken while Biden was in office. It happened in 2021. Buck, I think all of that

is moving in a very favorable direction. I guess the question out here, and again, that is the statement we just released that was just released by the White House. If Trump is able to actually get peace in Ukraine,

Wouldn't he deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? Like in an honest, legitimate world, wouldn't this be the very definition of what a mediator and or leader who was not directly involved in the conflict should receive for ending a conflict of this significance?

Yes, of course, but the Nobel Peace Prize has gone to Barack Obama for doing nothing. I think Yasser Arafat got it at one point. You look at the people who have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize, and it has unfortunately become a bit of a political joke in a lot of ways. So I know your point is well taken, which is that this would be a momentous, momentous diplomatic win, and not just a win for humanity. I mean, truly...

I don't know how many of you have watched. There's a lot of video out there about what's going on on the Ukraine-Russia front and what these soldiers are going through. It is trench warfare. They have drones that are...

flying in at them and blowing people up every day. They've got artillery rounds blowing up all around. I mean, you've got guys that are storming trenches and machine gunning each other at close range. It's horrible stuff that's happening day in and day out over there. And bringing this to an end would be such a win. And it's very...

Frustrating isn't even the right word. It's grotesque when you see these people that are saying, but Trump is just throwing in the towel. What do these people think is going to happen?

At some point, it feels like the Slava-Ukraine people really just feel like if they string this thing out long enough, maybe we'll have Americans sent over there to do the fighting for them, which is an absolute red line for you, for me, and I know for everybody listening. I mean, that's just completely beyond the pale. We should not lose a single American life, a single American finger fighting over who's in control of the eastern portion of Ukraine. And...

in the meantime, there's nothing to be gained in the long run for Ukraine continuing to fight and lose its entire able-bodied male population when there's the possibility that you could still have a

a country that is functioning, a country that is a homeland for the Ukrainian people and wouldn't be in the midst of a horrible and bloody war. Like I said, Clay, it used to be that the Democrats were supposedly the Peace Party. They were really the undermine America during time of war party. That's actually more accurate, but they would at least

go through the motions of pretending that they didn't want you know don't go after saddam in the first war don't go after saddam in the second war don't you know they were the ones that were saying we and maybe they're right about the second one uh but we shouldn't be fighting these wars um except when it comes to wars like this where there's some humanitarian interest and no real american interest at stake so i think that uh if trump able is able to pull this off it's

A huge win all around. And again, it brings us back to, yes, Trump out there negotiating to end wars and stop bloodshed, just like Hitler would have done. I would also point out, if we could get a ceasefire, the price of gas would drop dramatically.

in a significant fashion, I think. Trump sees that. He knows. All this stuff with Russia has hurt us economically, probably in the West more than it's hurt Russia. Russia doesn't really care. And even the opening back up of the Black Sea would dramatically decrease prices for a variety of goods, including, am I correct that Ukraine is one of the largest wheat-producing countries in the world? Yes.

And that, you know, the amount of goods that the grain is used to produce has also driven up the cost. And I've been told that because of the shipping costs associated with the dangers of the Black Sea, the other thing is Trump has attacked the Houthis in the Red Sea area, right? That has also driven up the cost of goods being shipped around the world.

So while there is a great focus on tariffs and what the impact of the cost of goods could be for tariffs, I think in Trump's internal calculation, he is seeing the ending of the wars to the extent that we can keep them ended. And I know they've reignited right now in the Middle East.

But if you could end the war in Ukraine this summer, I think you would see a massive deflationary movement on a variety of the price of goods, in particular oil and gas. You know, there is a historical...

mirror image here, perhaps, or there's echoes of when Reagan came into office, Volcker had to tighten things, tighten things at a level that way beyond what we've seen so far in terms of how high rates had to go. And yeah, I mean, there was essentially a recession. Reagan

more or less inherited that recession, but you had to clear the system out. You had to get things under control, and there was a little bit of economic pain that the country had to go through early on, and then 20 years of boom and prosperity afterwards, right? So...

If this is a Reagan moment for Trump on the economy, and I think there are a lot of reasons to believe that it could be and that it will be, the historical analogy here is very favorable to

But it might take a year, 18 months, something like that for things to really get cooking the way they would like them to. You cannot fix a problem that others refuse to fix and expect that there's not going to be some discomfort along the way, because why wouldn't they fix it if that wasn't the case?

This is, though, a very good sign. I think it's hard to spin it as a bad sign. It'll be interesting to see what the larger media ecosystem says about this. Remember, Ukraine has effectively already agreed to a 30-day ceasefire, and it sounds like Russia is willing to potentially get involved as well.

Let's say let's just go through a best a best case scenario here for those of us who are adults. And then I'll tell you what the libs will say and how they'll play this. Right. Let's assume that this ceasefire goes forward and maybe it does it. And maybe, you know, maybe Trump ends up having to drop the hammer on Putin with a whole lot more economic warfare stuff. And that's all possible. OK, we don't know. We don't get ahead of ourselves here. But if you're going to war game this out a little bit, let's assume, Clay, that the ceasefire goes forward and it is.

durable, and we go into, at every phase of the ceasefire, you know, you'll be hearing from Democrats,

Putin got too much of what he wanted and he could break the ceasefire at any moment. Putin got too much of what he wanted and he could break the ceasefire. You're going to hear that over and over for months and months and months so that by the time it's clear that this conflict, if this happens, this conflict actually has ceased to be the war, the meat grinder of humanity that it has been.

They're just hoping to play this out so that nobody even realizes that Trump is what, you know, if you extend this out and complain about it the whole time, it denies him at some level the victory, the political victory, at least to some, that he would be.

by ending this thing. Do you see what I mean? They complain. They say, we don't know yet. We don't know yet. And they keep doing that until eventually when it's clear, oh, no, Trump actually pulled off something of a diplomatic miracle here. People have moved on to other things. I think that's how they play it because they're never going to say, wow, he's a brilliant statesman and he saved thousands and thousands of lives and had the economy boom because of it.

It is a really good sign that they are talking. I think, again, we read you the readout on the report. I am cautiously optimistic. I like to go to look at Polymarket. It has now bucked the chances of a ceasefire by May 1 at 60%.

You know, you can go take either side on this on this prediction market. Right. It's why it's kind of interesting to look at. But that is a small favorite that we may have a ceasefire in Ukraine by May 1. The other reason the timing matters on this a lot, Buck, and I do think it's worth reinforcing this on a regular basis is.

Typically, as it gets warm in Ukraine, the armies are better able to move and the overall fatality rates increase. It's still the midst of winter over there right now, but moving closer to spring. It's the fighting season, essentially. The same thing was true in Afghanistan. When the mountain passes melt down and it's easier to move around, you get more fighting, more shooting.

So hopefully if there is a ceasefire, they could get a ceasefire in place by the time it starts to warm up there so that we can limit the overall amount of death that might be occurring. And again, to your point,

Yes, very Hitlerian of Trump to try to end the largest war in Europe since World War II. It's exactly what Hitler would have done if he had been in a position of prominence in America. And obviously we're ridiculing the absurdity of that.

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Released today, he's coming on the show to tell everybody about it. Israel and Civilization, the Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West. Already doing great numbers on Amazon. Go get your copy today. Mr. Hammer, great to have you with us, sir. I wanted to get your take first, if I could, before we dive into the book.

which everyone should go get a copy of. I know it's doing great so far. The end of the ceasefire in Israel and the new posture or the renewed posture, perhaps, toward Hamas, what do you make of it? Well, Bob, great to join you, and thanks for the book support. Look,

To me, the ball is clearly in Benjamin Netanyahu's court, Buck. I mean, Donald Trump is all in for U.S.-Israel relations. He's used the rhetoric of give them hell to pay. He's made it very clear that he and his cabinet are going to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Israeli government when it comes to diplomacy, when it comes to the military, when it comes to trying to

eradicate the entirety of the Hamas political and military cancer from the Gaza Strip. So for some weeks now, Buck, I've been saying the ball is in Netanyahu's court. I mean, Bibi has basically lived his entire adult life for moments just like this. He has led his entire adult life to wait for the opportunity to go in and do what needs to be done, so to speak, whether it's in Gaza, whether it's

in Lebanon and Hezbollah. He did that partially last summer, actually. Or whether it's really the grand threat of all in the region, which, of course, is the Islamist regime in Tehran. So I'm not surprised that the ceasefire broke. Frankly, Hamas only has itself to blame. I mean, with a medieval Islamist death cult, they had any number of opportunities to avoid this outcome. They completely brought this upon themselves. And frankly, this is a necessary thing that has to happen in order for there to be any resolution whatsoever in the region.

Congrats on the book. I know all the work that goes into that. I hope you're having a good time with it officially being out.

What is the ultimate goal, do you think, when it comes to Gaza? What should happen? What's likely to happen? What does history suggest should happen? It looks like Donald Trump has a certain vision in mind. I mean, he wants the United States to take over Gaza. I'll be honest with you, that was not on my personal bingo card. I'm not sure that, frankly, that it was on Bibi Netanyahu's bingo card. I mean, you look at his facial expression at the joint press conference when Donald Trump announced that to the world.

It was quite humorous to look at the way that Netanyahu and the Israeli officials in the room reacted to that. I'm open to being persuaded of that. That's not entirely what my first guess would have been. But look, in my heart of hearts, I would love to see the Arabs there find a permanent home in Jordan or Egypt, which seems to be Donald Trump's preferred approach.

and for Israel to go ahead and take it over. Realistically speaking, I think the most likely way that this ultimately ends is you get some sort of consortium of the more moderate Sunni Arab states, the Saudis, Emiratis, Bahrainis, maybe the Egyptians if they're willing to play ball, and they kind of go in there jointly together and try to make sure that Islamism and jihadism will not be the way forward there. But that's going to entail some sort of American-Israeli or some sort of joint presence there, even with that situation.

Because frankly, even these guys, the more moderate forces, I'm not sure just how much we can trust them for the mid to long term.

Josh, for people who don't know, I was over in Israel in December. The amount of immense popularity for Trump in Israel is off the charts. In fact, Trump, if Israel had had a vote in the American presidential election, would have won like he did in West Virginia or Wyoming. What do you think Israelis believe when they see that Trump is being attacked by Democrats here as Hitler?

Well, Clay, I'll tell you exactly what Israelis believe because I happen to be married to one and I happen to have in-laws here in Florida where I live who are them and I taught them every day. The Israeli people are about the Trumpiest people in basically the entire world. I'm not sure if there's a single foreign country where Trump has a higher approval rating than the state of Israel for very clear and compelling reasons, which is that Donald Trump is the most pro-Israel. Frankly, he's the most pro-Jewish president ever.

in American history there. And, you know, this is something of an issue that I think a lot of people here, even on the right, don't fully understand is how can American Jews vote disproportionately so much for the Democratic Party while Israeli Jews are so supportive of the Republican person in this case? That would be Donald Trump. I actually talk about that quite a bit in the book, Israel and Civilization. It's maybe a longer, more complicated conversation there. But the Israeli people in general are emphatically

pro-Trump. They even named a town after him, Clay. There's literally a town in the Golan Heights called Trump Heights. Ramat Trump would be the Hebrew word. I know it because I've been there. I actually drove by, got out of the car, took a selfie on the side of the road there with the road sign Ramat Trump.

So they're all in. They're all in for President Trump there, as they should be, because Donald Trump is deeply supportive of the state of Israel. All right, let's talk about the book, Josh, out today, Israel and Civilization, the Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West by Josh Hammer. What do people need to know, and why should they pick up their copy? So, Buck, the book Israel and Civilization, both fortunately and unfortunately, I think, could not possibly be timely. I'm a little biased, but I happen to think that it is very timely. On the one hand...

Buck, you have the woke left, which is obviously a horrific, cancerous actor. But there is an increasing portion even of people on the nominal rights. Not a loud portion, but there are some people that are really calling for the U.S. to abandon Israel. And frankly, I think deep down in these people's hearts, what they really want to do is ultimately to convince American Christians to just leave the Jewish state and leave the Jewish people behind. So I took it upon myself to write this book basically calling for Jews and Christians alike

to lock arms and stand shoulder to shoulder like never before, and to fall in love with the biblical inheritance again, because it actually is that ecumenical biblical inheritance that frankly founded this country going back in 1776. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, they wanted the National Seal of the United States to be Moses parting the Red Sea. Abraham Lincoln, my own favorite figure in American history, described famously Americans as an

almost chosen people using that covenantal language from the hebrew bible the liberty bell in philadelphia literally has a scriptural quote from from the book of leviticus right on the outside of it there so the book is kind of painstakingly arguing that so much what we take for granted today when it comes to our law politics morals ethics and so forth really does go back

to scripture and that we cannot abandon that but the book is also relevant buck because i make it very clear maga america first hard-headed realist case for u.s israel relations and the importance of u.s israel ties you have a lot of people that are screaming oh the israel issue oh it's an old neocon neoconservative issue it's an old bush administration dick cheney don rumsfeld issue

And I'm sorry, but the answer is no. That's not what it is. Donald Trump is not a neoconservative. He is a foreign policy realist. He's the most pro-Israel president in American history there. If you want to focus...

Disproportionately on China, which I think America needs to do because, again, I'm a realist who believes in limited resources. The question is, how do you secure American interests in the Middle East while allowing you to extricate resources to the Indo-Pacific? And the obvious answer, which Trump and Bibi got to in the Abraham Accords, is to empower and embolden our allies in the region to secure that region in a way that redounds to all of our interests.

So I think that I think that this explicitly realist case for U.S.-Israel relations is very timely and very important. But it's all in there. Israel and civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny of the West. Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever you get your books.

Josh, when you look at the history and I got your book and I was looking through it and I was fascinated because, again, I just came back from Israel. How optimistic are you about peace in the Middle East? Because for thousands of years, obviously, it hasn't happened. Are you optimistic that in the lifetime of the people that are listening to us right now, we could have some form of peace in the Middle East? I.

Yes and no. I think that there is such a thing as a more tranquil region, as a more peaceful region that is less prone to violent eruptions of jihadism. Frankly, Clay, that's ultimately going to take – it's going to have to take the Iranian regime to go because the Iranian regime currently is –

is the head of the snake. They are the source of virtually all of the violent jihad that goes across the Middle East. Now, to be clear, I'm not saying that America needs to go and start toppling the Ayatollah. That's not my stance. But some way or another, whether it comes from sanctions or the Mike Pompeo-esque maximum pressure campaign, that regime is going to have to go. So at some point, God willing, in a post-Islamic Republic Iran there, where jihad is on the decline,

then yes, I think the Middle East could be a lot more stable than it is today. Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas, all these forces would be subdued if not made completely extinct without their major benefactor in Tehran. On the other hand, you still do have the issue of Islam. And there are very real questions I think are worth asking and exploring as to the extent

To which Islam will ever itself, even any more moderate form, ever be comfortable fully with a Jewish state there in the heart of the Middle East. And I don't really fully know the answer to that. But I do think that after Iran goes, and God willing, it'll be at some point, again, not that the U.S. has to topple them, but at some point, that regime is going to have to go. At some point, Clay, after that, I think things will definitely be better if not fully solved.

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It's time to put America first when it comes to spectrum airwaves. Dynamic spectrum sharing is an American innovation developed to meet American needs, led by American companies and supported by the U.S. military who use the spectrum to defend the homeland. It maximizes a scarce national resource, wireless spectrum, to protect national security and deliver greater competition and lower costs without forcing the U.S. military to waste $120 billion relocating critical defense systems.

America won't win by letting three big cellular companies keep U.S. spectrum policy stuck in the past, hoarding spectrum for their exclusive use to limit competition here at home while giving Chinese companies like Huawei and ZTE a big leg up overseas. For America to lead, federal policymakers must build on the proven success of U.S. spectrum sharing to ensure national security, turbocharge domestic manufacturing, rural connectivity, and create American jobs. Let's keep America at the forefront of global wireless leadership. Learn more at SpectrumFuture.com.

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