Episode 168: Cincinnati's Ghost Subway
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Eric, I get the video going. I got my local audio going.

Me.

yeah. And now the zen caster is also going. Three, two, one. mark. That's three, two, one. mark. beautiful.

Anyone might think we are professionals and .

no one would .

ever fucked IT. Think of that of us. I have the emails I have been sending back and forth with these people where they are just like, hey, like, very professional.

You know I just like, guess sounds good. Do I don't fuck IT what you want me to say? Just high, warmer. Got now I listened.

Uh, I actually want to give one special shout out, uh, I will not name micco worker, but I will name her, her husband to tim. Uh, this unnamed coworker has told me that her husband, I believe an engineer and is a fan of the podcast. And like, you know how fucking disorienting IT is to come downstairs at like seven thirty in the morning. I just hear your voice.

tim.

hold up.

Hi tim. Sorry, sorry to your wife that we are in your house actually.

we live in your walls. crazy.

Yes, we've been doing sort of a .

parasite situation.

No, no.

No.

I.

Why are the world so fat not gaining my wall?

Why is there a beer belly shape series of cracks in my driver?

Just like that? Very helpful because of the installation.

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work something in like that for this one.

Uh, it's abandon who and your futures of silver of thirty five hundred, wishing you like above.

Work in a yee down something .

along those lines?

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It's a scary, scary. I was, yeah yeah. And my brother is also heat hit because i'm not image. And then no way I can follow up roses, scary noise. So, you know.

you could do a wild scream. I could have like.

I have A A wild drop, but I I can. I do my drops upside disapointment disapointment mother. Dissapointed everyone right now.

I think the wild scream is more of a, you know.

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I think that there's like a besides wilhelm scream that pops up every night that when benberry was really in a good moody, he gets like the beside veille screen and that one is definitely a guy coming.

What you see on screen in front of you is a smoky, empty concrete room on the.

on the screen in front of you.

Pret, I wouldn't like to be down here.

I watched clover field yesterday for the first time. And like teen years, fifteen years since I came out and I had a really embarrassing moment where I was like, well, the canker done the track because the year power .

got not monter did not listen to your thing. And no.

I I would be right to do so. That movie is, is, I love that they were just like, what if monster movie, but also we kind of try to make IT a broke. This is .

it's not supposed to be like that. There's supposed to be trains in here, but there are not ah .

talent me this this isn't scary, this is depressing.

This image .

we scary find out. But there is also scary .

at the true today we gonna talk about since anties ghost subway.

Nothing scary than being in since.

My two main sources on this were since and is incomplete subway that's by Jacob r. Macon bourg also check out his website since and ity transit that net and also the since and ati subway history of rapid transit by Allen j. Singer um but before we talk about that, we have a new segment that we're going to have for a bit called announcements.

No, the announcement begin now. yes. Do you do you like the concept of seeing us in person? I hope you do.

Do you live in the northeast corridor of the united snakes of america? You do. You can come and see us brackets my physical presence pending, uh, like the entirely dependent on the winds of U. S. Customs migration.

But yes, we're doing in A A sellar, if you will.

Yeah, I I also want to a flow the the alternate name, uh, which my wife, uh vetoed, which was the four to six days of sodden tour.

We will be appearing in a number of regional locations such as new york city, some of the master huts, which I understand is almost boston, philadephia, pensylvania and washington, district of columbia.

Yes, there maybe more tour dates right now. It's a this is my first through fourth um ticket should be on sale by the time this episode air saw. All those details will be done in the description. Please purchase our tickets because the agent set up us up was a really big rooms.

Yes, some massive venues would like. We are playing some impressive plays that we are gonna be on times square in new york in SONY hall. That's like five hundred seats. If, if, if customs and immigration do not let me in the country to do this, I will become severely depressed. So yeah, come see.

please come see the tour and.

day. I don't. I don't floors .

going to hold that going to try.

Well, there's your problem in new york is a hip hop a and it's it's onto be the most annoying thing .

you've ever.

It's going to be great. I can wait to be cheaper than way to do this, and I hope to see you all there in person. Um and yeah that we're to be doing like this whole run of shows going to be absolutely fantastic. So save the date for next summer, summer twenty twenty five.

Yes, may first through fourth. As of now, we may add some dates in late April if we managed to fill up again these absolutely fucking huge rooms .

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you want to hear jokes, that's good. Buy tickets at the link in the description. You can see them on a beautiful large stage.

And listen, if we've really focused up here, right, we booked too large of venue. You can be one of like a couple of people on a in like a massive venue where we do bits to you. Personally.

I watch state game today. That would be doctor or second, uh, you could be the one guy in the stand who was trying to block the feel, go by waving his arms. Very good. I do, I I do wanted, say we wanted to use accelerator, uh, but we are terrified of running a into m tracks.

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Thanks to as those, but yes, thirty of every .

I should say this one I will not be physically presented due to the of us customs migration. However, I will be there as a flat screen, which is my second favorite way of being presented. location.

I do want to say I tickets, I don't think the tickets is.

I think you can just show up.

Yeah, IT is free.

IT is open to the public. You can just arrive. yeah. So yes, please do that.

We can stop you. It's a public venia.

I don't know if there will be jokes in this one. I think this one is just gonna be like we did. That's also the name for the speaking.

Or have you seen our our .

writer, which says, uh, we need the like the text that we actually need and then also beer.

just as long as we're not doing the like. Mm, think, no, no.

no, I suggested that. So I M thinks .

it's like a check that .

they're actually reading the rider. So if you've got like analogy thing that you know is I like like the story behind the anying m and thing, it's it's quite clever.

This this was just in position and then I was like, but we don't actually need them to be that much, but we just need them to and .

if you if you get mad us at SONY hall, you can walk to the emmys new york commercial experience block .

up with .

getting so that about that are the announcements.

I don't have .

the god .

dam news.

Have seen ever been called the battle of algiers fewer pixel .

in the image and I thought.

um um israel has .

a killed yah sin war uh leader of hamas in a move that is sure to once and for finally to you every day .

and the what twenty years has died of being assassinated by israel um he doesn't seem to IT doesn't .

seem to do very much.

Yeah I mean in in the short term, sure. But like as we have seen with this whole thing, like all you're doing is creating the sort of like groundwork for like ency.

I is about to say, yeah, this is this is the just more one more in bro of middle st geopolitics.

One part of the overlap between this genocide and like a city planning, the other is the city they want to build on top of gaza.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, that I saw that the situation there is definitely got uglier in the past a couple weeks. I mean, we haven't recorded even since some.

They killed NASA a by blowing up a whole block of apartment buildings, which is ridiculous. I mean, you know back in early days of this conflict, the israeli media was talking about proportional nine eleven. I don't know what that is in proportional nine elements for lebanon.

Many yeah .

exactly um so yeah I highly .

because the the only way I have of replacing to real life anymore as through movies because I keep seeing like you know man made horrors bond my comprehensions uh I recommend I recommend watching battle of out also um army of secrets just give you a sent to the kind of life of my feeling about this uh again I will say the uh I am depending on the federal government of the united states of amErica to let me into the country so oh guy.

you imagine whatever fuck in a agent has to .

listen to this shit 啊哈 yeah already。

Here is four hundred hours of product. You have a till friday.

And do you think we can push the ice agents who's detail to listen to this left?

It's good point. We change to set them from within. Yes.

people say to me, no, what it's like you don't do any reactive of like, excuse me, I make whatever federal region is detail to survey me and two hours and hours of leftest contents if that doesn't count his activities.

what does a good question?

I don't even know what to say about a israel's stupid genocide anymore, you know, because IT just looks like they're gone full steam ahead.

With that, I do have one beef hair, which is I I think this might get me accused of being defeat or stright, but I think there's this a kind, this vibe that people have, especially on the left and like the U. S. In the U.

K. To be like one, one of the stuff actually like matters. And it's like, I think you have to concede that this is like, this is what israel winning and what neti a who winning within israel looks like, right? Uh, IT sucks.

Its criminal. But like I think there's this thing, I remember this tweet, there's doing the thing recently about like we've got to like a build coalition with like traumatized idf soldiers because like really this up this stuff like harms their interests materially too. It's like but IT doesn't though like IT might in the short term but the longer run but it's it's like, no, this is what they want to do.

They're doing IT. They're doing is successfully. And I think you can acknowledge that and you can say, yeah, this is stuff that's like going to plan for them um the kind of hurts everybody maybe I guess, but long ultimately I do think you can you can lament that yeah, this is this is shit that is being prosecuted according to like the way they wanted to go on and has been very successful at that. I don't think that means that like any kind of protest against IT is like you tiller on the thing. But I I do think that you have to kind of acknowledge that first, you.

Yes, yeah, there does seem to have been some movement in some of the major media outlets to maybe highlight that h maybe there were a few atrocities committed by israel. Maybe .

worry about that, right? Like IT always comes off to me is like, well, who couldn't blame that.

you know and I just like, I fuck me flat denial issac china s latest interview, for instance, all like dancing kle stain on twenty of being like, well, despite this video of an israeli drawn targeting a child and israeli drone wouldn't .

target a child so the .

child's add them have been photoshop because at this point you can just kind of there's nothing left for IT but to either say this is good and I like this if you're a defender of israel or to be like, well, it's very complicated but ultimately i'm gonna to like deny the evidence in front of me you know.

it's all it's very depressing.

Yeah yeah no I I just every every day I feel like I log on to twice and I see the worst thing that i've ever seen and more so every day. So and though I I I don't yeah I like I said I I don't want to get a use of the fee that I can do .

about you know speaking of things which are bad. The weather was very bad recently.

Okay.

sure.

Didn't want to go with like ap ila cha destroyed then?

No no. It's so we had recently two hurricane urraca e hollin and hurricane ton hurricane Helen did this thing, which is you know kind of wicky for a hurry ane to do they don't usually do that yeah, which is just, you know, take a hard a left turn right before hitting florida and just goes straight up and everything on western .

north get a look worker with him and just absolutely fucking in the hollow.

Yeah exactly. Because straight for ash. Man, yeah, asia was nice. I never been. I want to go to asia.

Yeah um but the yeah so IT dumped quite a few inches of rain into you know western north CarOlina which is obviously it's in the apple a so you know all of this water is um concentrated into the few rivers and streams there, resulting in pretty huge flooding. I mean, this is not as unprecedented as some people made IT out to be. I mean, hrk ins have done this in living memory is just that this usually does not happen.

I mean, hopefully we have an intervention from the kind of like limbs of tiktok caucus to be like you should, if you are, serve a patria, you should go to north CarOlina and like, choose a female, whatever china do, deep state globalism and like vaccinate your kids or whatever.

The guys, the guys working twenty eight hour days to reopen your infrastructure should be shot.

yes. I mean, so we had that. And then we also .

helicopter flights. That was a big one. And they .

gave me an R P out for the last couple weeks, which is just simply to a to pave the way for the fee black choppers which are .

coming for you and you deserve IT if if trump, when trump wins the next election. And and he and he does what he said he's going to do, which is get rid of female, right? And also get rid like the weather service apparently, is like it's a little .

racy and torm, that son of a bitch trying .

to vates been .

getting up for that one for a while.

Yeah, also, a quick ick, a quick interjection. My international, which, based to that one of the NASA, like, not NASA, are what they nsa .

guys know, what they called.

No, yes, no one of, or on the edge of the eye, they tossed out the ashes of one of like a dead former colleagues resume with someone who's a long retiring and stuff with that guys wish was shot my ashes into hurricane while you working your way through IT. So that's that's based anyway, that's an intact CT.

So when they go when females are all these services go, and then the next one of these comes along, which, by the way, that will be happening with increasing free ency until our civilization collapses. What do? Yes, what happens did, of course, I all the .

kind of the all all of the like black rifle coffee company kind of patriots ts organized and community with each other and definitely don't develop into weird, paranoid little cub each .

other.

not. Twenty twenty four to be like now we don't need to like state capacity for any shit. Now i'll be in were going .

trust some guys on motorcycles with the horse trailer to go away the grocery I I mean.

if you want to do that .

and critique of that.

it's like interesting. So you would rather how be paying the cops to like god the empty grocery store and its groceries from people but like um equally to to this in apple gia we also had the uh the floria hurray e the uh Caroline calloway survived.

which unfortunate .

her .

canton was uh more recent that was bearing down on tampa bay. The tampa a bay area has always been uniquely positioned to be completely destroyed by hurry ane and once again the hurricane near tmp a bay and the giant atmospheric pinball bumper went up there, just veered off .

at the actual providence that protects children, drunks and the united states of amErica and brackets tampa bay yes yeah the most united states of amErica bit of the united states amErica I sort of believe that um and yeah influencer and scammer Caroline ald like tank to in her apartment building which is like beach front and salsa and and and yeah this this was I remember this one chief ly is being a kind of like empire of like social media grafts guys trying to money off as by like riding the hurricane out and like us of you know pado boat or over the fuck um the people misunderstanding .

how storm surge works because tmp a bay got a negative storm surge and everyone assumed that meant a tsi unam I was gona wipe IT out know the water just sort of gently flooded back and eventually I I think the .

best thing we can say here is to do our p sa which is do not touch the pop right? Flood water also is mostly full of sewage and god knows what else. Don't fuck around in IT because you will get very sick.

Follow evacuation orders. Uh, even if you are convinced of gold's providence for camp ebay, I would still not ride out the storm in a boat.

Yeah, do is do is the theme of black helicopters to tell you.

you guys seek cliver field, right? Like I will say at the the only time, i'll never say god bless to take up a big. I I I don't know that I I it's sort of horrifying great was the the private helicopter flights being.

you know what they are, people say so I just the weird .

so when we're recording this, we are uh, thirteen days from the election in the united .

states god is that that little Chris and this is how the containing what the fuck?

Yeah I mean that I just .

who not seen cma Harris trump is having P, T, S, D. Melt down, down. This is the lowest energy. It's like looking at the end of an ultra marathon where like two guys were ninety percent blister, like stumble across the finish line. What the fuck?

You're not wrong. And I just, I just I don't know. I I just wanted to just like express my frustrations that so we can fucking do shit .

in country genre. How does that feel like? And would more energy than this like this?

The abo party got involved, told me energy and make IT to.

I will say that there is a terrific image show by, and I think the scientist in florida and, uh, joba is talking to people who had survived the storm and the and the the man he cycle is wearing a shirt that just is like cracker on IT and rob, the sentence is like, but is like counting to the side magnet. A great picture. I have one correction to make which national the err and also if you're ever interested in signing up for U S A, A and you serve the um no what uniform common core is a real thing that exist. You can stick IT to U S, A, A through the back .

or doing .

that .

the combination of uniforms, it's like a navy dress, blues and coastguard working uniform. So we love .

our coast is here.

Love, we love a militarizing, our public services. Sometimes.

yeah, sometimes commissioned officer.

no. Is pretty .

interest the public health.

And you speak into U. S. you. So yeah.

as as as someone who likes a, likes a uniform, you know, I think that maybe we should do more beer acquet uniforms. And I think that could be cool.

I wonder if there's a nation who gave us a model for what that might look like.

And only I had a drop of that nation's national with which which to end the news segment.

We have the navy in charge of the rail adds for some reason.

No ay, we're all still alive.

Anyway, that was the goddamn news brackets. spooky.

D, C, prime me with news and I discuss off. What if you say .

after that? Anyway, here's something smokey. That's right, folks. It's since and I it's .

a since .

unity, the queen city.

And I don't if you can be saying that this White.

Well done done since IT is a city it's on the ohio .

er river system right IT was incorporated nineteen nineteen uh let's a german immigrants uh immigrated in the eighteen forties that coincided with the opening of the miami and area that's why .

there there is something of that that's good area. Yes, no, that is as good. There is something of the rainman. The is that's for very fetching bridges with america's yeah let's go to I talk .

more about this later. But the miami and area now actually referenced by the german immigrants, they just jokingly called IT the ryan. And then there's a neighborhood that was past the the can is still there, are called over the right.

Which beautiful .

neighbor od selling? How many americans are just scrapped? germans?

yeah. I, I, I completely agree, and I will have my revenge in this life.

Like, like many towns on the ohio river is built entirely on a flood plane, and it's extremely hemmed in by hills. None the less, city grew very, very rapidly, hundred and fifteen thousand people by eighteen fifty, making one of the largest cities in the country. IT was a major stop on the underground railroad because, you know, it's full of germans, and most of the germans did not like slavery.

And IT was just north of the Mason dicks in one on the other, on the other side of the river here. That's cover ton kentucky. It's where of those, uh, horrible teenagers are from from a couple years ago.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember from .

the fake catholic .

school?

Quite on, quote, catholic quite on the school. Yeah.

the trajectory of american cathos is an .

episode.

Stead of vacant tests are just protestants. Yeah, i'm sorry.

Do a lot of american casts no cats? Are you deserve the same fate that no, no.

no.

And although I will say that like I think .

jis the fertile much of this .

is all the american church itself and it's like the whole looked like a crazy asthal hierarch positioned itself this way on purpose to try and make those people like that. But anyway.

um they got the robling suspect bridge in eighteen sixty six. This thing was absolutely massive for its time.

It's still gorgeous.

I like IT very pretty.

Yeah, we need a Better picture of IT. But yeah, IT is very pretty. Um electric three cars were indeed ced one hundred and eighty nine.

They got lots of fantastic italian and architecture. They got this really cool musical. But the big thing they haven't since.

and I is hills, the midwest pezare .

g is a kind of pez burg.

I would say, are to together .

yeah so and arn arn the so .

I am sorry for like betraying uh philadephia by by knowing about this also since and a name for snyman us or kinneys like roman uh like brief dictator statement who d like famously like he gave up the power to go back to his plazed he seized absolute .

power as dictator and then when he did what he had to do, he was like, I going to go back to the farm .

now yeah how the system of dictatorship was supposed to work as like an emergency powers thing a washington got compared him a lot. Those like a weird human called the society of the, 嗯， still around, I think.

yeah, they were real where there was a fear that they were gonna be a sort of a oh, got like an inherent in space. Like that's how, uh, work of the new united. Yeah.

I was like anti sonic stuff. nothing. I mean, is that interest me how an early american close on a number of occasions the U. S. Got to having a king like yeah constitution or know IT was within spacing distance a few times and like, fucking hello James Taylor ah was like so like definitely had some like kingly pretensions .

I should rich and dixon way anyone do yeah john atoms did not do in especially great job uh in the in the framing grab many series with people which is pretty .

billions you ask com had .

a pounded way with .

like a french quarter as i'm walking over is back you .

guys are sideways.

right?

I do that. There was a finnish in the last page. We didn't mention IT.

I want the same funicular ers on the next page, I know.

but this one doesn't track in IT unless interested yet.

Does not, right, right?

IT does. It's got the track for the track. yes.

This is A P way for p way. yes. Did we do this whole episode? Me, now i'm happy. Okay, everyone.

have we're going to talk about train shit here in a moment.

My indian .

train should read, try and break the not a metro chart.

yeah. So there's .

lots of hills. And since anadi, that means it's unable to spawn like a saint Lewis or chicago. So IT built up. They got really dense, really fast. IT eventually lost out to other major cities.

Do the topology gateway to the west? Turns out the same Lewis and since and I because as location naturally restricts locations of things like all road yards, large factories, they tried to build a harbor IT didn't work. Um you know the question was, okay, how do you solve this? There's a lot of flat land.

Just pass the hills. They tried getting out there. Using electric street cars to getting over the hill is very difficult. There were a number of in clients like this one, uh, in sinani I, which were built to take the street car over the hill.

extremely home. Yeah yes.

also just nice like topography makes a nice city. I can know lots, lots of U. S. I don't exploit the sorry.

I I have one note here, which is that i'm doing flat viewing at the moment. And if you've had to walk up the gardens street or down got the street ah in the west end of gloster is covered in White leaves, you take your life in your fucking you will be killed, be killed .

acute.

I mean, on estate, true. Yeah .

probably used to have a filar nega rid of IT, just like this one. They get, look.

sky slow.

Yeah, I genuinely .

fAllen on my us, walking down the hell from the uni before. So because IT was next .

to the unit.

saw me and laughed.

and I hit my.

Now the other, the other thing you could use if electric street cars weren't enough to get farther into the um the flatter areas north of the city was this wonderful technology called the interurban.

Ah it's the error of those.

Oh yeah hi miles. What is an inner urban is .

generally speaking.

And no, I have the smart answer, and I have A A graphic form.

I like a little out there.

Generally, I enjoy my self.

We're talking about a lightly built electric rail that runs between urban areas and runs on streets within urban areas. They focused mainly on passenger service and use, essentially what we're larger and faster street cars.

Really good. I really like them.

I love, I love me a good. In an urban, every rule has an exception. And on inter urban s exceptions, where the rule, the game unifying characteristic, is that all of them are weird. The purpose of these things is to try and break garrett's .

metro flow chart. Yes, precisely because they are all trimmed, actually. But lets see what happens. So here.

here's a few examples. This is washington, an old Daniel rail number twenty six. They built this thing from scratch out of a boxx car.

which I yeah, this .

ran from alex. Andy had a bluefield, Virginia. That's something like seventy eight miles.

I think so as a miles. yeah. And IT is the the west chester attraction company here. Yeah, this is the one of four trial they ran out to west, just your pencil venia from sixty nine three terminal and upper darby.

We can see here on sort of this crappy grass track, a js to the west chester pike, which was considerably smaller back then. They still went very fast. The track was just not good thing.

is dreaming along on a grass track and in away from your ford model?

Yeah, yes.

And that will win.

Uh, here we have the chicago ora and elegant, which is sort of the reverse of that extremely high quality right away powdered by third rail, is supposed to overhead line. The schedule on this inter urban was still faster than driving the same distances. today. I got the White .

return with the vee. Also wait to guys say, algan rather an election. interesting.

And so yes, to .

pronounce something because .

elegance is definitely elegant. But maybe the Scott came around, the boat got lost because that when when the scotch people send people of atlantic, we had a habit of thinking there was ship. So where? Yes, so that's very, anyway, sorry, I had .

brought U K, O, O.

I think the C A A N E will be a future episode. This was infamously after they started to lose money because part of the tracks were relocated to build the highway. And much slower they were actually, they actually abandoned the passenger service with no notice at noon on july third. And a bunch of people who are waiting for the train that afternoon got nasty surprise.

God, you can't get home now. Sorry, exactly, but without the sorry that you.

Yeah, exactly. We apologize to passengers for the inconvenience, but this is now a bia car replacement service.

Most famously um probably the pacific electric care has seen in who framed Roger rabbit, you know the cars were shown here are the blip cars. Why are they called blimps?

The answer, thanks to .

that I like .

limps their fucking huge. Do not body .

shame these cars.

They're bigger than some mainline passenger train cars, right? Know they would just run three of them couple together .

in the street in mixed traffic with this is the like a way thing is the train should be the natural like apex. Be afraid of IT.

And if you yeah all of this situation where a tram like of the shepherds tram go extended and and like just the day of the like, the day all the press people are just gone home and then the first tram just crashed into a car on the left crossing.

It's like closing and just the car should always lose they those videos of light way with when the year, when the trains like they just touch full size, like classy seventh going around, like going around the corners on on the the tram track that was the mainline railway that went to the harbor and and yeah, people got their cars in the way. Thirty seven would just shutt out of the way. No bother bring that back.

Inter urban also handled freight. Here's this very small, but extremely mighty box cab on the waterloo seeder falls in northern.

I love everything about that image. It's a courageous image. The lovely black and White out.

The image is stunning. The infrastructure is stunning. Just that bridge is beautiful. Low, low arch archest gorgeous.

Absolutely fantastic. You know, the thing that makes me angry about this is this is a weird real image that only that like thin red line of, like former autism is holding back the tide of like A I generated slope that's just convincingly enough weird train stuff from like swamping this. You know.

that is, yeah we will never like in a yeah time, we will simply not be able to find any of these .

images on the international. Again, definitely become more line of work to find specific images of things I want to seen up fucking gross.

Stop making me a seven White streamer. Just show me the real streamer.

Thank you. Here's the fun one, the eye attraction railroad. This is inexplicably still Operating. Most of the equipment is ninety years old. They did this incredible thing back in the nineteen seventies or eighties, which most railways did not and still don't want to, which is purchasing an adequate amount of rolling stock for your customers.

Old railway still transports passengers the old fashioned way.

paster fortunate label. I think they still do fan trips, but this is in the medal. nowhere.

All they do is interchange with the union pacific, I think. But they still are used in the old electric c engines. I think one of these is a old washington, an old dimensions engine.

actually also.

And then how we are, could they get a will look at the electro al liner in chicago, in the Walker on the chicago, or shoreline orgies.

This.

this is a high speed in urban IT starts in the walking on the troy tracks, right, making local stops. Then I would go south on to its own dedicated high speed right away, go eighty miles an hour, all the way to chicago, where they would then put IT on the chicago l and the start in in the loop itself, absolutely .

incredible. I, for good measure.

the same company also ran free trains on the ill.

Amar SE, yeah. Oh my god.

I love. This is just like local merchandise. But eventually they also handled car loads. This is actually a, uh, when the the eventually the chicago transit authority took over and they kept running free trains until April one thousand nine hundred and seventy three h yeah ah yeah this full size, you know mainline coal .

cars here musing and like the whole train.

Amazon, the express tracks too.

he is like covered in cold adest .

yeah well it's main that the main customers towards the end were several commercial coal leaderships back .

when we had those in the middle of cities.

Yeah exactly um right. So where does an interurban fit on the not a metro chart? Like a secondary question, does the interurban then retroactively make a metro into not a metro?

I feel like on watching to chess grand .

masters playing here, literally unrolling the score, the sacred scroll onto the table and rose on either side of IT. Not so. All of those are tramps.

But the stonished at his doctor.

he does the chicago l then become a tram because IT shares tracks with tramps. Yes, I IT would be if.

because I have run free on IT, IT also gets broken. So the fact that IT isn't fully segregate means IT isn't the metro. It's heavy suburban rail so yeah that is broken not only is the interpret the but IT is also a metro fied the chicago l yeah that the .

metro off of yeah .

yeah that that's IT IT doesn't an it's not good trim's can be good. I would love to know what the capacity would like when they were fully running. I D love to know what they're actual like passage propria direction system capacity workers about some of those were hole in people.

Some of those were definitely moving lots and lots and lots of people and the other ones were like, yeah, we run for trains a day. Like the blimps .

must have those like three, three car and each car massive. So the potentially hundred twenty people in a git car so that those those are big. If everyone is frequently, then that you you might start tapping on the door of some seriously high pass, you might start reaching the point where you are competing with the buddha sh. In terms of the heavy tram title, which doesn't get to be honest, there's only like one system in the world that at that hits the heavy trump n so yeah, maybe maybe they are heavy truck sometimes .

when they're really good yeah definitely say if you, if you some of those, some of the assistance ms would be running like a huge train like that every like two and a half minutes back to.

okay, heavy trim. Man, I want that heavy trim. There we go. So heavy.

heavy .

tram. Yeah, that's so I I have always sis between. I can do my vocals. I can really fry out my vocals down this night today.

So in since ini, there were several inter urban lines ah that sort of converged on the city, but they could not enter IT. This is due to a classic problem, the break of games.

Well, for godsick, okay.

because sinai street railways were built to pennsylvania trai gage right .

may be pensylvania ia dominance.

The the dominance.

I just want that as a drop. That's right, baby. Pensylvania dominance.

So that's five feet two and a half inches between the rails, which is about six inches wider than standard gage. Um this was chosen for two reasons, right? One was supposedly to make more room for horses between the rails when the system opened and I was using horse cars.

Now the reverse horses theory.

Yes, turns out actually need a little bit more room. The horses got fatter ah the other .

reason was to prevent .

steam railroads from easily acquiring the horse car lines and subsequently running steam trains in the middle of the street in residential neighborhoods.

That old chest not okay. fair.

yep. So your interurban a lions faced no such corals and solve with only a few exceptions. They were all built a standard gage. There were a couple of smaller lines rating out from the city that were built to pennsylvanian trigge, but they were the exception. Um you know you're interurban needed to be standard gage because they enter, changed, freed with the steam railroads and they interchanged, you know, passenger cars with each other. A lot of the .

times just onna handle a glass of wine. Here are we are. We still are still the horses thing.

May no, we're looking at a map of interurban and and the reason why they are all standard and sad, yeah, we're still are.

We are we experiencing halloween in the form of honolulu?

No, you batch him.

So the interurban system in ohio is massive, right? I could write a train up a local interurban all the way from cleveland to toilet to, and then down to dawn and to since.

And I, A Better world was possible.

That's all on fast electric trains, or at least the electric trains.

Now we do. Why can't we build high speed rail in this country? And the answer is, we built moderate right in this country.

And then just angle the two.

Two things strike me here. Number one, if this was still around, this would be the equivalent of people who who like, like, hilarious long distance journeys on local buses only in the U. K.

Which I love. I love that content. I want more of IT always. It's great. The second thing that strikes me because of the dominance of interurban and their demise, feels like I I watch a lot of their crash investigation because I think it's a fun show that may day for those in the north amErica high.

And one of things that always angers me on the north american episode is, why are there flights between there and there? They are like eight fire train away from each other. But I was angers me. And I guess lots of those places had urbans rather railrud that they also into urban did and could still be excEllent.

I O is particularly agreeable when IT comes to passenger rail at this particular time because it's there is only two m tract trains that go through ohio and they both make steps at like two o'clock in the morning.

It's going to say three trains to synonym a week and they all arrive at one m and that horrifies me.

Yes, nothing to columbus. Uh, cleveland is also served at uh, two clock in the morning or so both ways.

So like well then since matter you have like a tenth the number of trains of as David junction in west wales that has a population of the zero. Absolutely the spectacular work.

So if you were taking the inner urban, you couldn't get in the since and I proper you actually had to stop and disembark at the edge of the city and get on a slower local charley. Um that's the change of gage, right? And excEllence, yes yes. And then he was stuck in traffic for an hour to get into the city.

Got that, the Price of .

pennsylvania.

the strong brackett's philadephia do as they will on the week brackett's sinon's. I suffering as they must.

No, I I was I. They deserve IT. right? Like that's what you you should have just remained extended. Yeah exactly in a shop off .

a bit for the connective western reserve um not another problem since and that he had was you know a lot of this railroad construction made redundant the smelly and growth an unsAnitary ary miami and area canal that ran through the center of the city.

Didn't this touch fire at one point?

Problem you the oh okay.

sorry, sorry. I fox that my post industrial mid western .

says this is, this is name for the miami river, which is parallel for much of its length that actually goes right up the side of ohio all the way to the area lake area um you know there's no there's actually no connection between the miami river and miami, florida despite the fact or both derived from native american place names ha, yeah, it's weird and .

is weird taking up for little while locals up again .

they sort of referred to IT as the rhine. That's why the over the rhine neighbor od is up here. Um in one thousand and thirteen a major flood finally took the canale out of service for good and there is sudenly this major right of way available to get straights .

to downtown since an ati miami IT turns out means big water which fits for .

both you know ah do the great .

miami river is actually very small .

that's that's really sad so so miami is one of only ten words surviving recorders from the language of the now extinct miami people.

Yeah.

like they they got pretty early on in florida.

So here's .

the idea.

The city fathers think, why don't we kill three birds .

with one stone, right?

Yes, we're going to replace .

that dirty old canal with a public, private subway for use by rapid transit trains and into urban, possibly even freight service as well. What a concept and then we're going to put a beautiful urban bull of .

art on top fit. Yeah it's it's like cutting cover.

If you don't have any costing, do you do .

the cutting cover?

Um the idea for the subway in the canal, but had been around since the eighty eighties but back then they were still thinking, well, they ve got run steam locomotives in there. I don't think that works. That only works in london. The .

excEllent .

baby. It's like svante, but it's Better.

No, no, no, no. It's not .

just think connective has new london .

is so good, why they .

have to build a new one?

Don't ask about new fill.

You're going to be laughing out the other side of your face when there's a new pensylvania mars ever.

Where is the new filled alpha in ohio? There is yeah.

is is any good?

Lose your save game for original title.

I filled out, you underscore real, final, final, real this one. yes.

Dh, copy. yeah. The city keeps growing .

due to the topography is going up and not outwards. This was back when urban density was a bad thing in sinani had a lot of density. Only parts of manhadoes were like similar arly .

as dancing that's that's like honored gy to be in like downtown sacian be like this is like mega city one like eighty, eighty, ninety to be like this is this the the most density anywhere on? It's like fucking colon.

world city hammer high. So Henry Thomas .

hunt is .

elected by in nineteen twelve, on a platform of abolishing the corrupt republican machine that ran the city. Yeah.

this is why, since that is a shit to because they had a corrupt republican chine, instead of a corrupt democratic c machine.

Yeah, and also got rid of IT. Know, I think sometimes these machine, these machines did less bad than people think.

You should listen to parkas called no god, no mails, which will cover some of this very shortly. Yeah, I also, I I really am having a sort of horological moment of like you will never be in downtown center eighty like one thousand twelve yes.

I can .

imagine. Yes.

I just this moment enjoy on on other podcast that a this as well killed were like footage of like tokyo in one hundred eighty one and it's just such a vive that the one never.

you can jump in the river times, you can bely drum p and jump in the same river once. You will never be, you will never step out of like a like bar snati in like nineteen and ten almost get hit by an 9 and eighty miles in the midst .

and look up at every building is like a hundred meters tall。 yeah. Like, yeah, not something.

So since unity, the government was corrupt, and IT was broke and was broke because I was corrupt.

What kinds of corrupt?

Yeah, Harry top is hot, managed in a very short period of time to implement very basic but effective reforms such as actually collecting taxes.

A quite become very unpopular.

Yeah, he was one term. He also spearheaded a serious effort to build the subway. He convinced the state to least the canal to the city and set up, set up a committee, the rapid transit committee, to actually plan the damn thing.

Several features were planned. There will be a downtown circulator route shown here. There will be a huge freak terminal right behind sincerity music.

all the sounds like slam into each.

There is a new bullet war on top of the whole thing.

Find nice. Don't put counters on there. Of course, just leave as an ice Green park. No, do this thing was .

heavily based? yeah. Was the cambridge dorchester's b way?

okay.

I'm various municipalities .

around boston.

I am now fascinated by sani. I wish to go to sanai an like, absorb its local history, the united, its customs, immigration. Please let I am Normal and can be trusted with entering the united states. I'm sorry. I called IT the united snakes of amErica .

a earlier that's just as speaking balis .

standard english .

why ingua .

very .

of you um so that the cambridge that subway, uh, is extremely large. The cars were very large for their day. These are ten feet wide, seven fat long cars.

Those were larger than larger than some contemporary mainline passenger cars. The city also planned to ban steam trains in the tunnel, except for emergencies. And what an emergency is, as left, is exercise to the reader. They included quite a lot of venues. But yeah, if you want to see what this subway looks like, a go to cambridge and that's essentially the same design .

you know gna say, you know, you could do what you're in cambridge massachusets you could come to some of mass is on may first, I think um and you can see us yes.

yes, yes. So .

there are a few schemes .

that were developed me and more there was scheme one.

Scheme one is just the the area outside the downtown loop. There was scheme two where they built a loop downtown. These sorts of distribution lives are very popular in sort of the prewar subways. Um they also IT didn't work very well, but they didn't figure that out for a long time.

Yeah I mean, many matters is not very intuitive. Sometimes .

seem to, just as I do this little dog leg in the downtown sky.

Better dog leg is Better from design.

But for sure.

three go down a dog.

The intention question loops are a nightmare Operationally. They they just got a very, very nice. It's to actually Better Operationally and for capacity to just have a continuous line, even if IT does weird like weird shapes to just have a single line.

all the trains get each other others way exactly. Sometimes I get their own way. Uh, scheme far is this sort of they do up a stricter line through downtown and then come out the bottom near the waterfront as an elevated rail system. No color for the south coming in the end.

T quite a massive variation where IT ends up to the, i'm going to say, to the right of these areas. I don't know what north, but I know .

know roughly this way. Now there's more outside of this area where .

IT goes out into the suburbs. Okay, this was on that. Did IT for this? A this is not hugely pronet, but was IT just taking some of the interurban .

at that point was a kind of all. So there is a six million dollar bond issue for constructing the subway. This passes with a six to one ratio at the baLance box. In nineteen sixteen.

amErica has ended the war. You like everything is fine here and like the dense city in the world and the way of the future since, yes, everything is gonna fine forever. It's going to be the american century. I would love going to happen yeah I would love to do some trains.

Um this was not enough money to pay for the whole thing, but this is gonna be the sort of public private partnership. Remember, the city was to construct, the city was gona construct the tunnels and grade the rights of way where IT was above ground. And the since I street railway, which was the local monopoly on the street cars, would least the tunnels and Operate them and install the tracks and so on itself forth.

So ministration vely.

this is a tram, essentially, yes.

just put in line in the song there. So there is really complicate a bit. The public are onna, take that right? So public liability for expensive, complicated avi civil engineering.

And then these little that that the private company chuckle fucked can come in. And they all they have to do is put the tracks down and run train silk. I just go take note of that. That feels important.

Yes yes. So here .

here's like the fuller system. Zoom out a bit. You can see we have the the sort of dog like down here. You can also these Green lines radiating off various interurban this connect to the subway ah the parts in red or tunnels, the parts in blue are um surfaced elevated tracks o but this is going to sort of form a big loop on the outside and all these interurban are gna feed into IT and they are all gna go directly downtown is express strains?

sure. okay.

So there is pretty quickly a legal road block here. The bio supreme court decreed in sixteen seventeen the cd's least to the city and eighty street railway was illegal. Goes SHE goes against .

ohio law yeah. Others.

no one delay the tracks and purchase the .

rolling stock, right.

are important.

Without those, you've just got a hole.

just a whole story home yeah that should .

be that would be good.

This was probably solvable. Um you know I would just cause some confusion and delay while I work through the legal difficulties and is not a fatal blow until amErica enters world war one.

but.

One of the first things they did was banned the sale of municipal bonds.

You cat yeah because it's like as we saw on that one ultra earlier, you have to buy warm.

So that .

was for shadowing rose.

You get very .

good at to buy like ten million pairs of pushing boots. He has a really nice flag. Sorry, I I have .

A D H D .

possibly .

bly.

We got six dollars, the six billion dollars that was um authorized by the public that does not appear um yeah .

yeah that's going to like like yeah yeah exactly one of like with mosques yeah yeah ah the war results .

and massive inflation .

due to the you know what time economic reasons straight up labor and material shortages. So IT was time to do some value engineering.

I don't like those words when they're together.

No, no one likes value engineering, except the people who were some reason enjoy doing IT and they're freaks. Another project gets curb stopped by value engineering.

Let's just do quick. I'm going to derail the podcast, but I just say so we have no trains. We have no tracks.

Another money to build the infrastructure has also disappeared. yes. Okay, noted right.

cool. The money still exists sort of. But IT needs to be IT can't be used until after the war and also it's worth a lot less money now.

yeah. Um so the engineers come back with something called modification age, basically, idea here is, okay. We're gonna get something built, right?

Okay, that can be that can sometimes be a good way to do things, build something. See also H S two. We are also at least a bit .

of IT that we will need later sold the so they .

cut some tunnels north the downtown, uh, they elevated some tracks um they put some tracks on the ground. They try to use some existing right away near the bolt water higher railroad. You know overall, there are just sort of you know they're cut in costs, but they're still coming up with the functional product, right? Um and this proved not to be enough with the inflation, right. So after modification age, we had the most drastic cut, which was the entire eastern side of the loop was eliminated yeah at .

last there was not loop that's .

an efficiency.

Also looks like the cheap er cy is mostly at or above ground level. So I kind of surprises me .

you this .

one is dog g IT .

is all like pretty steep up hill that I .

believe how, okay, okay, a lots of lots of cum filled. And a big .

portion of this was eliminating the subway under wall, that street down here, because that would have been cut in cover under an existing active street instead of in a canal bed, right? That would be very expensive and disruptive. So they were even though as the most useful part. So they're like are we're going to cut that for now and hopefully later, we will have the money to finish IT .

right car brain before car brain had ever arrived, struct all the people like driving their horse.

so that the terminals of the system would be race street station down here. H, which will talk a bit more about in a few slides because it's weird. But the main terminate found in street would have to wait for a while. So theyve eliminated a whole lot, but they are still gonna build that they start building in january nineteen, twenty. Okay.

here we go there. Yes, I see .

here and this not very many pixel .

image .

constructing the tubes in the open canal IT. Um this is very, very simple. It's cut and cover, but they don't have to do the cut part.

Everyone really happy. Get rid of this horrible smelly canal, right? Of the workers.

Yeah, this is just a cast in place. Reinforce concrete. Nothing fancy here. There different contractors working on different parts of silly different materials. But overall, the things you pretty unified, there's rumors about low quality material and construction. But as we will see that, that's completely unfounded. Um I know they wound up like uh, using a little bit lower quality concrete than they expected, but they sort of compromise with that first. They just made the walls .

stepper IT was fine. Yes, fine. I like this.

This is this. This is nifty. It's, it's quick.

It's easy. I suppose that's why they build this bit. First.

the terminals of this line was a very string station of race street. I'd actually, there is no where to find these images online. I D take picture from the book with my phone.

Credible finally lost .

the media of exactly.

So race street station was going to be the center piece of, you know, modification age. It's a four trax station with one convoluted island platform.

right? OK a weird design.

quite onest.

That's the the platform is h shaped, okay?

And so you .

have one acceptable here, one track down here and then two stop and the tracks determined.

This is like something if you miss click and like a game way of building, like raise.

It's very strange design. But the idea here is these two stub bandana tracks are for interurban trains that are coming in, and they're onna stop in reverse. And then you'll have the outer tracks would be for the rapid transit trains that would personably continue through once the a subway was completed. Downal that stream down here at the end.

嗯嗯， IT was also designed .

in such a way that I could be expanded with two extra platforms on each side, with this weird staircase that goes down and under the platforms, which pretty commonly shows up in images of this, that no one knows what is for. Well, here's what is for folks. It's for extra tunnels to conn, courses underneath the central parkway as well as extra platforms which are not built, but we are anticipated to be needed at some point.

Yeah, just just like getting this of masculine urge to dig and nothing run like run right municipally future trains, nuclear work, moo.

we're not some kind of the town. This is since and I we're gonna need a four tracks up way at some point. And based on .

current trends, cinta ati will have eight trillion people by the year twenty twenty. exactly.

There is also some amount of thoughts since this was going to be serving some inter urban that went quite a long distance. There will be room for baggage handling as well. Unclear if this was actually followed through one um at each end of the station they built A Y right that's A Y shape piece .

of track returning .

that's for turning the enter urban s around .

so right I can interject again. Suppose that's what you do when you are at the temporary host is inject repeatedly. So the problem with them trying to do everything with this is there is so such expensive extra stuff that they're putting in the switchbacks are not necessary if they are running. This is a pure metro system rather than with all the interview interview .

trying to like with your flow out a bit here and it's trying to be all things to people .

most of double ended. I don't know why they need the two voice because that's a lot .

of under the ground digging that they're having to do again, like they don't need to do. They are like this is value engineering so much as just doing sense of engineer, I would not I would have been converting the interurban or or just managing that in such a way that you didn't have the switch best because that, that is a lot of extra cost. Also, the track law is so guys it's yeah book to be bonkers yeah to bit bonkers this weird ah .

the way .

at the end here would eventually .

go on well not state out of the if they continued the tunnel to actually more substantial terminal at a fountain street um and this is the most commonly photographed space in the subway. You know what was eventually built?

The creepy looking yes.

I definitely creepy because it's got the weird staircase to nowhere.

It's ontology, but the like Better world and being able to go down a flight of stairs right now.

I if you want to like die horribly.

listen to the caves episode di.

stop .

caves. They got a substantial amount of this constructed, uh, but they finished construction in one thousand hundred and twenty six, the infrastructures all there. But there's no tracks and there's no trains that seven miles are right away finished.

This is a this one yeah .

other the lack of tracks, everything is there. But in the entering.

I like the trains and just your own rails at time.

So in the interim period, while this was being constructed, lot of people are buying cars. And lot of the interurban they were designed to connect with the subway went .

out of business.

This is yeah yes, the new central parkway was still incomplete. Uh, that was facing A A series of bond issue failure. So there wasn't really a great way to get into downtown since and I yeah um but you know the rapid transit line has been graded and constructed, but there's no tracks, there's no trains and political issues start developing.

I'm access is a political football .

prety quickly yeah more so sincerity, of course, is run by a republican machine that was run by gear. George barns, dee cox, also known as boss .

cox bus, and later ruled .

calker hinna Y Y.

That guy .

mostly ran the political machine from tony island. Good for him, he dane, to go to a santi. He just ran IT. Absent landis, they are doing all the global stuff in all their fixing elections. They're dispenser patronage jobs.

They are given out favors redirecting city fees, two private individuals adJusting property tax assessments for supporters you know all of fun corruption stuff um you know despite being is initiated by a reformer. The rapid transit loop was of course the great source of patent jobs, right but the machine is falling in the crisis. Um certain .

time was stuck inside .

the belly of this machine and this machine is .

not living. The the machine stops, as IT turns out.

of my patient jobs.

certain taxes were about to be made illegal by the state. Income from liquor taxes had dried up because of prohibition. Uh, IT was harder and harbor harder to distribute a patronage jobs when there's no bunning coming in, right? So this was a prime opportunity for a guy named murray season. Good to come in with .

making up a fake name like yeah.

And he, he is the leader of a movement called the charter ists.

Not the change, not the line of charge, is the .

charter ists. Season good wanted major reform, right? A complete read of the city charter.

He wanted to reduce the power of the mayor. He wanted the appointment of a professional city manager. So there's the distance, day to day Operations .

from politics.

yeah. Was all all the Normal good government staff that all the progressives love us back and that just fucked everything up? no.

And he got IT after campaigning against the central parkway bond issues, which are separate from the rapid transit loop, even though they were sort of the same a project. He was elected mayor in nineteen and twenty five, and he goes in and he throws the bumps out. The entire city council .

turned over.

also reduced from, I believe, thirty, thirty two members to nine.

thirty two people, too many people.

For .

city basically .

like, okay, who owns the table and this neighborhood you're on city council? sure. And he set the site on this rapid transit loop, right? He commissioned a new report called the beer report on what to do with the incomplete subway. Big, big bua. See that .

movie?

Yes, I .

another woman, he right right through short .

list value is the bill of report .

recommended finishing .

the tunnel under walmer street but also abandoning and demolishing several already built above ground stations to save time prepared to the surface street cars right? What some of these things is quite substantial um above ground stations, as you can see here um the idea being that okay, this this line is sort of IT goes all the way around the hill and some of the street car lines have a more director route. So from certain stations IT would be faster to take the street car than the new rapid transit. Now the thing is from other stations, that would not be the case.

Yeah.

and these stations were already built.

just they built them. You don't have to stop the trains there even that many times, but but that at least keep them there. I am Sarah, and this .

sort of did not sit well with the public recommending demolishing these brand new stations. And so sub nasty rumors start to circulate in the papers based on this report. You know, maybe the line was too circuit IT was badly planned.

Maybe they made the curbs in the city too tight for a modern rapid transit, which they didn't do that they were good for forty five miles an hour with a lot of super elevation and everything. Um there were rumors that you know street cars, we're gona be able to use the tunnels, which they could theoretically. And then there was, you know, a pervasive rumor that the city was now too small for rapid transit at all, even though I had grown since system was planned.

Told hatred, two arguments, they are all very familiar to anyone.

Who do you think there was a kind like since like a german garth back in the day.

like was nice to be?

Yes.

my god, i'm so angry about is. Angry simply but how s five? The bar is going on the list.

Season good was elected to a second term and abolish to the old machine run rapid transit commission, put the project under full control of the city manager. They still didn't have the cash to complete the system, but a second report came out also by biler a recommend full conversion to street car Operation.

Uh, that's also not a good idea. It's a the whole point of this is that it's hidden away, segregate so you can get high capacity. They can run a long good trains with lots of people on them yeah of the system i'm .

already built.

sorry, built it's already there. You've built the fucking thing thing. You built the thing.

Ah so this this report actually had some legs uh, to the point where the since and the streak railway actually purchase new a trai cars that could use the high platforms in the tunnel. And these things down here called red devils purchase fy the since anadi and lake area in urban, those were capable of .

ninety miles .

an hour back down .

the inside of a like former can. The thing is.

once they left the subway, this this company was sort of a consolidation of the whole hello lot into urban in ohio. So once they left the subway, they then went two hundred and eighty miles to cleveland.

five minutes.

Yes, I thinking the line from the takei palm, one, two, three, what do they want? The loud fifty and cents to live .

forever and nothing is the size and speed of accounting. Boll, it's quite something.

yes. So they are they are now um you know IT looks like, okay, maybe it's going to go through some of the street car. Deep POS were actually um that deep of the car barns were um refit with dool games track with the anticipation that, okay, we're going to get this thing up and running finally with something right. And then one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine .

in the thing happens here when .

a thing happens. Yes, this time it's not cocaine. It's whatever the one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine version of cocaine .

was also coke coke.

it's cocaine, but it's branded as a sort of tonic coconut.

The war was declared right every go out of windows and shit over twenty nine and .

nineteen thousand and nine. In the great depression that started, a stock markets crashed. Good luck funding that brand new, never used subway.

You know you you're gonna get anyone to issue a municipal ond right now. But on the other hand, they had managed to force through the parkway bond. Wow, look at that. Isn't that party?

Oh my god.

Central parkway was completed, and I was immediately a total failure because they built up on the canal, which meant most of .

the .

buildings didn't face the parkway.

were face in the road. This one seen here is an exception, but also this nice landscape media. Guess what happened to that?

Oh, more lanes.

Are you need more lanes? Let's get real.

That's one more.

okay. So the subway is still air. People are gonna try and revive this, right? Um one thing about the depression is we have this great guy named Franklin delano roosevelt. He forced through this thing called the new deal. And the new deal funds light infrastructure all across the country, right?

And like.

sure.

Yes, assumability be one of those options.

Yeah, yeah. The work's progress .

administration funded a new study for use of the subway one thousand thirty six. This recommended the total conversion, the street car subway with replacing the high platform with low platforms, adding a bunch of new exits and entrances for various street cars on you know local streets above um significant reconfiguration of the entire street car system.

Um you know and let's a weird stuff where the tunnels would tie themselves and the nuts in order to be able to use center platforms when the street cars only head doors on one side. And this is a very heavy lift that was very expensive and the city ultimately didn't go for IT. Instead, they asked the work progress administration for parkways .

z and slum clearance.

So there there was still support for a street car subway, though in the charter, ist had indeed turned the city's finances around since. And I could probably plausibly find the thing by itself with a large municipal bond issue. You know, the economy is starting to improve.

World war two hasn't quite happened yet. So the ohio state legislature steps in and Mandates tes a sixty five percent supermajority for municipal bond experiences. And the idea was dead again.

course. Fuck this idea specifically.

Yeah, yeah. Not just. We just do that like big kinsey m right? So we just seen that like investing infrastructure was good for economies, particularly urban economies. Apparently no one, apparently no one realize in since to O O or in ohio in the large fantastic tic.

So we get through world war to um and then some things happen that sort of change this the super majority starts to be a big problem in the one thousand and fifteen. No one on ohio could you know you couldn't finish the subway. You also couldn't build highways, you couldn't build airports. You couldn't build hospitals, infrastructure.

ground to a all in the whole state, that thing you accidentally like a bolli's own government for funders.

yes. So in the meantime, there's also planned by the state to build a north south highway um sort of roughly along the alignment of the old miami and area canal right that's now state seventy five don't .

do IT do don't do IT that was originally .

supposed to connect up to the parkway, but the parkway quickly became overwhelmed with traffic because you know traffic expands to fit the space alloted. So a new expressway to the north, that parallel l the milk creek was necessary that passes through a narrow valley. So of course, space was limited, but some of that space was taken up by the grade for the rapid transit loop. Um that's up up here ish, right?

yeah.

So of course, through some creative financing and the state legislature reducing the supermajority ruled down to fifty five percent in nineteen and forty nine, the city managed to alter the terms of the least of the since ini southern railroad um which until recently was the only intestate municipally own railroad in the united states um that was that that went up for a bod up to for vote this year, I think and the city finally sold to northern southern um you know now instead of the only being used to retire dead, that money could fund any kind of transportation in the city. Soni, we're going to use the revenue from the railroad to build a highway. All of these never used above ground stations were demolished, as was almost all the above ground infrastructure.

see, of the station .

had collapsed on its own. By this point, I will see that PS god bsm, saving everybody's time.

I guess. Yes, exactly.

All that was left with a few short tunnels in the suburbs and the two mile tunnel under the parkway. This also thwarted a private plan to run free trains in the tunnels. Some people were still trying .

to do that like free answer.

This is all prior to the federal aid highway act of one thousand nine hundred and fifty six, right? That Mandates A, A state and local and federal split for highway construction of five, five and ninety percent, you know. So if you wanted to build a transit project to get a dollar, you had to spend a dollar. But if you wanted to build a highway, you only spend five cents to get around. Yeah.

I swear to fuck and god, I really want to these people.

So the .

unbuilt eastern half of the rapid transit loop was replaced with interstate seventy one and the northern half, uh northern portion was uh, replaced by state route five sixty two. Up here, the whole rapid transit loop was now a highway.

So i've got, i've got, i've got a contemporary google maps up of of since anaya. One thing strikes me, which is whole is shit. Do highways a bit rate the most theoretically good bit of the city? Yes, like the waterfront to a park that has been a bitter and all my god, the lanes going everywhere like it's proper like body horror stuff oh yeah the west and got particularly .

badly hit um because this is one of those neighborhoods that was like declared an overcrowded slum like the thirties right? So the work's progress administration paid to demolish this and replaced with public housing, which was recently demolished and replaced by private housing. You know these these are all like, you know good solid Brown stones. I mean they're probably ly had sanity issues at the time in the thirties, but those are are easy to correct with modern technology like pluming. Um yeah but yeah these were all knocked down for slum clearance and then knocked down for the mild creek expressway and the approach to the brand best the best spreads bridge um right you .

can see .

up here since an ati union terminal that was very nearly demolished didn't quite happy even though I was quite new at the time that was eventually saved by none other than than since and I married Jerry .

springer in the eighties future .

episode right yeah for getting .

a pop of a lot of of the money .

that the money in the planning that would have gone into the subway eventually went into, you know, destroying whole neighborhoods and uh, replacing ly with highways. And here in the west, and these were mostly residential buildings today, write up next to their huge train station, almost entirely one story, light industrial buildings.

Yeah, it's it's like the most stupid usage of zoning on on on a citywards map of every city is absolutely its wild. Also really i'm saying on the outside the city where you got man Adams, which is like a really clear, like a bit of history, historic district, right? And it's just completely surrounded on three sides by highway.

It's just it's really up. It's it's like it's pretty. It's it's like almost detroit levels of destruction. It's quite spectacular.

One of the sistine I got got bad by the highways that is ultimately, you know, it's it's it's amazing how far they went. That's what happens when highway construction is basically free.

No, the good figures, you can rip all of that up and replace IT with a grand level. Must transit. Yes, that's what you need to do.

Ripped the ticket I mean know the city eight self live as the new highway system allowed residents to live in distant suburbs. Eventually I did access all at land of the north and IT was all built up .

this horrible single family um and so the .

tunnels just SAT .

there until one nine hundred and fifty seven and someone found something to do with them which was to put a fifty two inch watermen in there but .

just .

let them sweep out all the malloch.

Um one station was used to her time as a fallout shelter, but I was kind of there to give the impression that there was a fallout shelter rather than to actually be used as a follow shelter.

Yes, absolutely. You have to have facilities for fallout shelter and guesses, and they didn't .

put any of those in. This is more like, this is more like a room with water bottles in.

You can you can die of starvation after the thing .

yeah um the tunnel's are all still there. They are inspected each month. They're still in good condition. Um they're been several proposals since then to try and reactive at the tunnels.

A big one that looked likely to happen was back in the seventies when london Johnson finally came out and said, what if we gave money to public transportation as well? IT looked like sinani would be only a few a positions in line passed like uh atlantic and h 3 franco and where else。 I want bolt more in getting one of these modern great society style subways um but um that the the urban mass transit um administration was pretty .

quickly uh the .

the conservatives put a stop to that .

nonsense there here there .

was a plan to try and put light rail in the tunnels in the nineteen nineties that also failed that. The big one most recently was the metro moves project in two thousand two the idea being that we're gonna to voters a quarter cent sales tax increase which would build one, two, three, four, five like rail lines and also build commuter rail out from since and eighty union terminal. Um and this failed miserably at the ballot. I was rejected. Tutu one .

kill all voters.

I believe this is because quite recently before that there was another ballot measure that passed um to raise the sale sex by a similar amount .

to build a stadium OK how .

that go for you?

That always a bad idea.

The back.

Eventually, eventually, rail transit does return to since unity in the form of one of the obama era modern street cars boy um which could be a whole episode on their own at some point. This is now called the bell connector um IT is a street car in mixed traffic that runs in downtown since and I and in over the rine um you know IT IT is there's no dedicated lanes or anything like that.

These are sort of again, these obama era street cars were deployed a lot of places. They were built very cheaply in their almost for increasing property values as much as there for transportation. A lot of them are slower than buses on the same route.

Yeah, they look futuristic.

They do look futuristic. This one does run on all that street where one of the tunnels was supposed .

to have eventually been. It's corp. And an ironic thanks obama.

But I get an ironic and ironic thanks obama. yes. yeah.

Obama, yes. This is no substitute for real rapid transit, which I think ultimately that is what a city like since and adi needs. You know, I everywhere these days people do light rail, specially the united states, where you probably want heavy rail. I actually.

yeah, having worked a few, I have to say strongly bizarre vives of old. I mean, if this is the same in the U K. To be onest, like trams being trams are excEllent, but they are to improve buses.

They are not to replace metro systems and dedicates or one rail like this night. Enormous city, very sprawling city, needs the speed on the capacity that metro and super rail provide. Yeah, take that highway up. The instruction .

crores there. The tunnels are still there. They're good for modern subway cars. I mean, they're good for forty five miles an hour there. I mean, you have the stuff you may as well use IT.

absolutely. But also dig up the highway. I would definitely .

dig up the highway. I mean, there were some proposals when they were building them to have space for rapid transit, just did .

not have all know yeah.

of course not, you know. So all that's gonna be very expensive implement these days. You know it's amazing when go back even to the metro moves plan in two thousand.

Two, how much bang for the buck you got back then? Now dairy thing's gonna, who very steep, very steep to do anything. Yeah, but we shouldn't .

don't buy into the hamlet shit costs. I know some people on twitter get very angry about how much hot fuck up and .

c just .

build a government.

That money is actually fake up.

God, I didn't think I gets so .

upset on this one, actually.

Well, I mean, the one thing you can say is the tunnels are still there.

They're still being maintained. There are still in good condition sooner.

Yeah, some people tried to start like a whiny and there that didn't work. Every time someone proposes an alternate use for of them, the insurance companies take him out.

I'll do that. It's kind of funny about that. I mean.

yeah, ultimately, there's they're only good for one thing and that's trains put the public watermen yeah yes. And some fiber optic cables are thinking, are down there now too.

They don't put hage v cables down there. Your fine H V cables going there, scruffy t to move.

I think there's a redant watermen they built shortly afterwards. So if they have to remove that one, it'll be relatively easy.

I good, good. Put trains in there.

Put trains in there. yeah. Well.

what do.

We learn the fed shouldn't .

be in charge of transport at all.

They can be trusted to to abolish the treasury, abolish the department transport.

I mean, it's not the crazy st idea i've heard. Yes, it's amazing the outcomes you get what you make highway construction free. Yes, it's impossible to build anything other than highways during the period when you know I would have been really relevant to get the subway done, which is between like you know nineteen, thirty and like nineteen and fifty. I believe there was only one rapid transit project underway anywhere in the united states and that was building the state street subway in chicago.

To be fair, we can get on our high horse in the U. K. Because .

none.

and just a few extra tube lines. Great, great for london, but nothing anywhere else.

You has a .

glasser, a subway look in nova.

Oh, I mean, new trains in IT, which was in a lot of ways and best in a couple, and then they're going to make those of a driverless soon, allegedly. But you .

can't sit in the front.

look out the window, can you? No, no, you can't. They're still insanely like loud and like very like rally. And also the fact is it's it's a loop. If you build a loop like you, you close yourself off into the fucking like interStellar thing or I guess the true detective thing. And if you go out west stern instance or you know further south or wherever and you're like, man, I wish was some way here I get fuck you know because you you still have the loop that um you know you had in like eighty ninety something and changing IT would .

be too difficult so love, love britain.

Love don't like there's thing about the thing about don't like to leave the united kingdom because .

tried and that work so example for fucking and out and up for us reship.

Well, we a segment on this podcast called .

safety third of .

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We take those hello.

Justin, liam, november, devon and milkshake. Today I would have to you, the majority circumstances LED to my untimely termination from an unnamed canadian passenger railway.

That's one of like to right. Yeah.

I capture yes. At nineteen, I was fresh out of college with an associate degree in railway Operations and manage to join canada's national .

passenger railway.

You really know .

the main part of my job was quite simple. Working is either a conductor or engineer to move equipment around our shop in the yard and at the adjoining passenger station. For the most part, that part of my job was great, where the real difficult these lied, where the myriad of other jobs, myself, on the arrest of my crew, could be put on when not switching, such jobs included. But we're not limited to cleaning locomotive engine robes and cabs, dumping local about of toilets, general shop, clean up, cleaning up the managers and administrate of offices, oh, running errands like picking up parts and materials and most significant ant to our story today.

locomote of exterior washing. So you had to be like fucking um oh god, what's the word for the like? A A domestick.

You have to be a don stick like on a fucking to the france team. I was, I was bouncing back for the domestic stage, which is funny. I don't know know, I don't know how write.

but I was thinking of, was charlie work? So a locomotive exterior could be washed in a myriad of ways. One was our very entertaining, yet largely ineffective train watch system that would reliably leave the size of the train wet and occasionally cleaner. See figure one.

The train weather.

yeah another method was that what we call the wash pit, a section of track just outside the shop, which suspended the rails on items above an access bit and had two levels of scaffolding ove to access either side of the body and the roof. The locomotor, using the wash pit, industrial pressure washers and lots of chemicals deemed to cause cancer in the state of california. We could particularly ly restore even the natheless should cake locomotives to a rather impressive level of cleanliness.

albeit rather slowly. Eval, power wash, simulated D L C went second of all, I i've mentioned this before previously. But like IT is genuinely impressive to me, and I think generally unknown by lot of people, how nasty everything around the working railway get everything covered in, like, just like the natives st mixture of like is like great and duck and mud shit, like every possible toxic chemical.

Which school ever write an m track along this is take a look at the log, a motive at the end .

of the it's up there with like ocean going ships where you like this just gets nasty over time. And that's not much you can do prevent that.

You can happily go to any term. Almost every terminal station in britain will still, we will just have like they went, have done much to the tracks, to the terminal tracks because you can there's no point and they will be quoted in all of what they were just described. And let me tell you someone who spend and will probably continue to spend quite a bit time out on track. yes. Yeah I mean, is has a .

deer and payed on the nuckles.

I said when they did that study a few years ago that tried to work out the average color of the universe, right, which is this kind mocha Brown. The average color of, like the railway is like this kind of ship Brown, as you can tell, because everything .

average is out to IT. What can .

Brown do .

for you in try.

you know, U. P, S. Brown is a candidate for what the original polman Green was.

I kind of like the U. P. S. Brown, Brown. So yeah.

then there was the .

third option, unbeknown ced, to be until the day I was told the dude, there was a third option at the east stand of track, too. This was a location so far away from the chapter pressure was you regarding host could viasa bly reach IT on that hot july day? Myself and micro worker were told by a manager to go wash your customers locomotive on track, too, an effort to make extra do our maintenance center had contracts with some of the other railways to maintain and store their equipment after much back and forth regarding the feasibility of the task and countless offerings to move the locomotive to a more appropriate location, we were handed to telescopic s scrub brushes, a bucket of water and a pump in action. Spray bottle of corrosive alle .

degrees is.

Much to our dismain, with a fear that refusal may result in a right up for insulting ation. We proceeded with one person acting as a runner and the other one taking turns, throwing water as high as they could, then chasing the splash with the deep greaser and vigorously scribing. We somehow managed to wash the entire locomotive.

Then came the rints. The local motive in question was an M P thirty six P. H, shown here, more commonly referred to as a dull, dull liner.

Name to the town and nwf .

inland di am.

yeah. Very nice town did .

dependent on the wings of like immigration canada .

coming in in an overall length of seven feet and just under sixteen feet, told this made bucket aid rinsing techniques rather difficult. We once again repeated to our manager that we needed to move the locomotive in order to properly printed, to which we received the rather annoy dismissal of our request. We did our best, each taking turns checking buckets of water onto the local motos falk cow until IT was time to pack up and call IT a day.

The next day was a departure day, followed by the weekend, followed by an arrival day. In another departure, IT was five days later. We could truly witness the fruits of our labor, or rather hear about IT fifteen minutes into my shift and order ably, frantic voice erruptive from my radio backing in me over to the washed boy.

IT was there. I found my manager frantically rubbing the locomotive windows as where there once stood rents water. There were now half millimeter deep cavities in the protective coating on each of the locomotives windshield path. Anytime you get .

to like specialized applications of glass, I like that so much money. It's like one factory that makes these .

and it's out of business. Needless to say, this was a sub optimal til condition that only worked to further enrage the hot headed manager that originally put me to the task to quickly sum IT up. SHE had a long history of unprovoked negative interactions to recorded myself and other subordinate. So regardless of fault, this would still be a burden i'd have to bear. This incident, despite not being formally investigated by management, but soon later be cited in my dismissal, following me bottom ing out a poorly maintain forklift that myself and others had continuously reported to management for having, amongst other things, bold tires, no cool, a broken cooling reservoir, AR and most concerning, a nonfunctioning parking break.

Incredible joy you.

In the two weeks leading up to my dismissal, I consult ted, my agreement's s union rep, for what to do and likely facing termination, instead of preparing a logical counter argument, other evidence to support my innocence, he advised me to injure myself on the jo B2Claim I w as wro ngly ful ly ter minated.

Union strong baby, I OK no.

you dial.

incredible. How do I get out of the bucking pacific theory of Operations? shit.

That's wow. Rap IT up. Trust your gut if you ever find yourself in a situation where your decision will the result in thousands of dollars in damage or an insb ord nation right up, it's probably best to step back and ponder updating your resume. And for the love of god, don't let your union rep be elected purely by now. No contest.

yeah. No kidding.

You get involved in an active.

pure master. I've since hired onto another railway with its own host of problems, so i'm sure i'll have more stories to .

share the other canadian railroad.

Thanks for letting me ramble and keeping me company on long drives to and from the rail yards. From the more speaking .

of that, I saw a tiktok of a guy who was listening to us when his dash cam caught him getting in a car accident.

There have been .

several of them.

Yeah I I feel like if you press your call listening to us and it's not your thought, we like be able to like issue you a shirt.

I just I just want .

to say there just seems to be a pattern in the railroad of people pointing out problems and then getting fired for doing so.

Curious and safety averse culture .

that keeps happening ah .

the trouble yeah we need to have we have to rise up and kick the the suits out and then run the arrow proper yes.

last last time .

that opinion was mooted was like one hundred and seventeen in russia. You know what? They were right to do IT then. And the type of shit that leads railroad employees to start forming like infant pretorians s yeah.

then you get to round up A A lot of people and then you can send them off front of there yeah.

and collapse.

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