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When The Conspiracy Theorists Become Bureaucrats

2025/5/29
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Del Bigtree
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Jane Koston
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Will Sommer
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Jane Koston: 我多年来一直在报道阴谋论者及其观点。卡什·帕特尔、丹·邦吉诺和小罗伯特·肯尼迪在特朗普政府中担任要职之前，他们都是阴谋论者。现在，他们过去所宣扬的阴谋论反过来困扰着他们，因为他们的支持者非常不满，认为他们上任后没有对这些阴谋论采取更多行动。这导致他们陷入两难境地，既要维护自己的立场，又要面对现实的制约。 Will Sommer: MAHA（让美国再次健康）群体内部存在分歧，一部分是老派的RFK粉丝，即反疫苗人士，另一部分是政治敏感度较低的人，他们更关注改善食品供应等问题。老派RFK粉丝认为关注食品问题是一种干扰，他们担心RFK过于关注去除食品中的人工色素等问题。当这些阴谋论者进入政府并承担责任时，他们必须调整自己的立场，这导致了他们与支持者之间的紧张关系。例如，卡什·帕特尔和丹·邦吉诺在担任FBI要职后，对杰弗里·爱泼斯坦案件的立场发生了转变，这激怒了他们的支持者。 Del Bigtree: 我需要能够起诉政府，即使是Robert Kennedy Jr.。我意识到Robert Kennedy Jr.和他的团队在政府中，他们必须下棋，就像我们说过的，5D象棋等等。但我不是棋手。我是说真话的人。

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The podcast explores the tension between the expectations of conspiracy theorists' fan bases and the realities of working in government, focusing on Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s experiences. Their supporters are upset that these figures are not acting on the conspiracies they promoted to gain power. The chapter delves into the challenges of reconciling fervent beliefs with the constraints of government responsibility.
  • Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. were conspiracy theorists before entering the Trump administration.
  • Their supporters are angry that they are not acting on the conspiracies they previously promoted.
  • The chapter highlights the difficulty of reconciling strong beliefs with the responsibilities of government positions.

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Before Kash Patel, Dan Bongino and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. were prominent members of the Trump Administration (FBI Director, FBI Deputy Director and Health and Human Services Secretary, respectively), they were conspiracy theorists. But now that these men hold positions of power in the government, the various conspiracies they pushed are coming back to haunt them. Because their longtime supporters want them to act on all the wild claims they made. Will Sommer, a senior writer at The Bulwark and author of the 'False Flag' newsletter, talks about the tension within the online community that propelled these men to power.

And in headlines: President Donald Trump issued a bunch of pardons for tax cheats, Elon Musk said the GOP's 'Big Beautiful Bill' undermines the work he did at DOGE, and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller reportedly wants more deportations.

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