Why Trump Wants To Shutter The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
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It's Tuesday, February 11th. I'm Jane Koston, and this is What A Day, the show that has decided it has heard too many Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey conspiracy theories. On today's show, President Donald Trump doubles down on his plan to kick Palestinians out of Gaza. And a federal judge says that the White House has defied his order to unfreeze billions in federal grants. But let's start with the administration's push to dismantle the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

If you viscerally remember the 2008 financial crisis, you know why the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was created. The gross combination of predatory lenders, financial institutions running amok, and a housing bubble led to the biggest financial downturn in the United States since the Great Depression. I graduated from college during that time, as did millions of millennials. And if you ever wondered why people around my age are the way we are, well, it wasn't the avocado toast we were all allegedly purchasing.

Anyway, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was created to protect consumers from the scams that left millions of Americans out of work and out of their homes during the Great Recession.

and the scams that banks and other big financial institutions have tried to run on Americans ever since. Remember back in 2016 when Wells Fargo opened millions of fake accounts in the names of customers, even forging signatures and creating fake PIN numbers to activate accounts? The CFPB demanded they pay back more than $3 billion in redress to consumers and civil penalties. And the big banks, and Republicans, hated them for doing that.

And so did Elon Musk, who wants to destroy the CFPB and happens to also want to turn Twitter into a banking platform, which the CFPB would regulate. So it makes all too much sense to see Trump and Musk and the boys of the Department of Government Efficiency taking aim at an independent government agency created to stop billionaires from screwing over Americans. Definitely.

Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts proposed to CFPB back in 2007 when she was a law professor. And she had some tough words for Musk and Trump on their efforts to shut the bureau down on Monday. Trump campaigned on helping working people. But now that he's in charge, this is the payoff to the rich guys who invested in his campaign and who want to cheat families and not have anybody around to stop them.

But President Donald Trump, being President Donald Trump, decided he should get involved in the conversation from behind the Resolute desk, no less. That was set up to destroy people. She used that as her little personal agency to go around and destroy people. And she's a fake, just like she said she was an Indian and she wasn't an Indian. You have more Indian blood in you than she has. Of course.

To make sense of what's happening with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, I spoke with Helene Olin. She's the managing editor at the American Economic Liberties Project and a contributing columnist at MSNBC. Helene, welcome to What A Day. Thank you for having me on. So can you start by giving us the backstory to the CFPB? It was created in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, which I remember all too well. What was the idea behind it?

The idea behind the CFPB was to prevent another financial crisis. In 2007, Elizabeth Warren had written a piece for the Journal Democracy saying that if you bought a toaster and it had a one in five chance of blowing up, this toaster would not be on the market. But that this was not true for financial products like mortgages or credit cards, right? That you could find yourself signing something and then the terms could change on you. The price could go up.

And so this was her patch for what became the CFPB, was that this would protect people from being taken advantage of by big financial institutions and therefore would prevent such a thing as the mortgage market blow up again.

And what does the CFPB do? Who does it regulate? It regulates both the largest banks, not the smaller banks. So like JPMorgan Chase is the CFPB, Bank of America, CFPB. And then also they regulate non-banks. So mortgage issuers that are not attached to banks, credit cards, credit reports, and

And crucially for our story here, fintech companies. And for the uninitiated, what is fintech? Who are we talking about when we say that? We are talking about technology firms that are effectively acting as banks or credit issuers of some sort. But here's the crucial difference. If you put money in a bank, you get all these legal protections.

Until fairly recently when the CFPB under Rohit Chopra moved in on it, you did not get these protections. So there would be scandals where like a company would say, oh, you know, deposit here, you'll have high interest rates and would like sort of intimate that they had FDIC protection. But in fact, they did not.

So it's been around for a little more than a decade. What have been, in your view, some of the agency's major successes? Well, I always say they've returned $21 billion to American, we say American consumers, but we should really say just Americans.

in financial shenanigans made good. They're probably most famous for helping take on Wells Fargo during the fake account scandal of almost a decade ago now. But they've done auto loans, payday loans, credit cards, kind of you name it. I mean, a lot of these things can feel very small and seem very small. But in fact, if you are the victim of it, it's actually a very big deal.

And as long as the CFPB has been around, Republicans have hated it and they've pushed to get rid of it, even if some of CFPB's success seems like it would be a good thing for consumers and for, I don't know, the populist right. So why do they hate it so much? Well, first, the big banks and the banking sector and the financial sector generally hated it. They were more regulated than they used to be, and they didn't like this very much. So they were out for the CFPB from day one.

And more recently, they've been joined by the technology slash fintech sector, who has come under the increased attention from the CFPB and has also discovered they don't like this very much and that they want the CFPB to go away.

Elon Musk also seems to hate the CFPB, but his push to dismantle it comes as he's also trying to turn Twitter into the everything app that would also include the ability to make payments through the app. Now, despite the fact that I cannot imagine a thing I would less want to have control of my money, that's supposed to roll out soon. What role would the CFPB play in regulating that?

Well, they had put forth regulations last year that would essentially begin moving these apps to basically banking status. If you're acting as a bank, you are a bank. And Elon Musk did not like that very much. He was trying to do...

what is best, could be best described as a sort of everything app where it would have social media, financial services. And by the way, you know, you could order your pizza, a car, go shopping, fill in the blank, sort of like a version of WeChat that they have in China. And of course, this was, you know, the CFPB took an interest in this and Elon Musk was not happy about it.

The Supreme Court has twice upheld the constitutionality of the CFPB. So this latest effort to shut it down would seem to fly in the face of recent Supreme Court precedent. So where do you see this fight over the CFPB's future headed? Well, it's clearly headed to the courts. What is going on on this go-round is this attempt to shut it down is, in a number of ways, appears to be contradictory to the statute that...

set up the CFPB itself. The CFPB was not set up by presidential fiat. It was set up as part of the Dodd-Frank legislation after Obama was elected. So there are things that the CFPB does, like, for example, make sure that military families are not ripped off by the financial services sector, that is actually baked into the statute, that this is what they do.

So it would seem that you couldn't just unilaterally say, as the Trump administration has done in the past several days, oh, by the way, see-saw work. That seems to be a problem.

What would it mean for consumers if the CFPB went away, if not entirely, then at least in spirit? It would basically mean there is an open season on you, that you have no major recourse, at least at the federal level, should you find yourself in the crosshairs of a

you know, a battle with the financial services sector, whether you feel they've stuck a fee on you, whether, you know, the agreement hasn't worked out or something like that. To be fair, there are states where there is some more regulation in some of these areas. When states can do it, they sometimes do it, particularly in blue states like California.

But regardless, it would not be as easy to simply appeal to the CFPB for help. For instance, right now, there is a database that was still live on the site where people could send in their complaints. I signed up for a credit card and they said there'd be no fee. And lo and behold, I get charged $100 fee. This stuff actually matters to people. Again, it could seem sort of simple, but it really matters a lot.

And the CFPB was able to help people in these situations. This is all happening at a time when money is becoming increasingly virtual, most notably in the form of cryptocurrency. And you mentioned tech companies like Twitter and Meta are trying to insert themselves into the financial space. Without an agency like the CFPB, how could these risky financial markets become even riskier?

Well, there would effectively be no protection. If something went wrong, whether your money vanishes in the app, there would be no protection. There would be nobody to appeal to. If you signed up for one thinking you were getting one set of terms and then there was another. If the interest rates were not what you were promised, there would be nobody to complain to. I mean, this is kind of a huge thing for people. And that this is simply being wiped out is extraordinary. Hello.

Helene, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for having me on. That was my conversation with Helene Olin. She's Managing Editor at the American Economic Liberties Project and a Contributing Columnist at MSNBC. We'll link to her work in our show notes. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe, leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube, and share with your friends. More to come after some ads.

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The memo was later rescinded, but left lawmakers and the agencies that rely on those grants very confused. McConnell ordered a temporary restraining order on the plan to freeze federal funding at the end of January. But a coalition of 22 states says the money has still not been restored to several programs.

In his judgment Monday, McConnell wrote, quote, the broad categorical and sweeping phrase of federal funds is, as the court found, likely unconstitutional and has caused and continues to cause irreparable harm to a vast portion of this country. As far as I'm concerned, if all of the hostages aren't returned by Saturday at 12 o'clock, I think it's an appropriate time. I would say cancel it and all bets are off and let hell break out.

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It has made me really sad to see one of the best artists of his generation sell swastika t-shirts and post bafflingly anti-Semitic rants and actual pornography on Twitter. But I think it's important to talk about Ye in the context of celebrity, politics, and how people try to wield celebrities like cudgels and get burned pretty much every single time. Let's go back in time to 2019. Back then, I was working at Vox as a reporter with a focus on conservatism and the American right.

And I started noticing something a little odd. Right-wing figures had suddenly decided that they really, really liked Yeh.

Not his music, his politics, or what they thought were his politics. Conservative outlets like The Federalist, which never met a hip-hop artist they didn't think was responsible for the destruction of Black America, were writing about how Ye getting upset about what his former wife, Kim Kardashian, wore to the Met Gala was good, actually. And when Ye started talking about Christianity and ranting against abortion and Planned Parenthood,

even more conservatives got on the bandwagon. The conservative magazine National Review dedicated the cover of its November 2019 issue to an article asking whether or not Ye could be a defender of Christianity, depicting Ye as a saint. Then Ye decided he was going to run for president in 2020 with the help of Republicans and Jared Kushner, President Trump's son-in-law. He got around 70,000 votes, and the conservative love for Ye continued.

even as his behavior began to deteriorate. See, Ye has discussed his bipolar diagnosis back in 2016 and his decision to stop taking medication because he believed it got in the way of his art.

More recently, he has discussed receiving an autism diagnosis. And again and again, conservative media ran cover for Ye, excusing his behavior and his cruelty, like when he made really horrible comments about the singer Lizzo, because he sometimes said things that sounded vaguely conservative. When Tucker Carlson interviewed Ye after praising him for wearing a White Lives Matter shirt back in 2022...

Carlson told his audience that the only people who opposed Ye were enemies of his ideas, who wanted to defeat his conservatism. But Carlson's team edited out Ye saying that professional actors had moved into his home to, quote, sexualize his children, and that he experienced visions from God on, quote, how to build these free energy, kinetic, fully kinetic energy communities. Carlson wanted Ye to be the perfect black conservative celebrity and was happy to edit him to make him sound that way.

You probably know how this ended. Ye went on a weeks-long anti-Semitic rant online and off in October 2022, got booted off Twitter and Instagram, and started hanging out with virulent white nationalists. He even managed to be the first person I've ever seen be too conspiratorial and too anti-Semitic for conspiracy monger Alex Jones, telling him, quote, "'The Jewish media has made us feel like the Nazis and Hitler have never offered anything of value to the world,'

I see good things about Hitler also. The same conservative outlets that praised him endlessly suddenly had way less to say about Ye's anti-Semitism and misogyny, or about Ye, period. Conservative media has long wanted a black celebrity to repeat its talking points about gender and race, and they thought they finally had one. Over and over again, they praised his bravery and taking on the left. And then, when it became clear that he is, as he has long been, deeply unwell, they abandoned him.

There's a lesson here for all of us. Celebrities are people. They are not ideologies or perfect vectors for all of our hopes and dreams. And if you're depending on a celebrity to make your political dreams come true, well, you're going to be disappointed.

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