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E-Bikes Overtake the Horse and Buggy in Amish Country

2025/4/11
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Peter Navarro: 我认为特斯拉对海外市场依赖程度过高,这与特朗普政府的政策相悖。我们希望特斯拉等公司能够更多地依赖美国制造的零部件,以促进美国国内经济发展。这关乎国家经济安全和制造业的复兴。 我们希望看到美国的制造业回归,创造更多就业机会,减少对海外市场的依赖。特斯拉作为一家美国公司,应该为这一目标做出贡献。 虽然特斯拉是一家成功的公司,但它仍然需要认识到其全球供应链的风险,并积极调整其战略,以适应美国政府的政策目标。 Tim Higgins: 马斯克公开批评特朗普政府的关税政策,这反映了特朗普支持者内部在经济和贸易问题上的分歧。马斯克作为一名科技企业家,他支持自由贸易,认为关税会损害全球经济和特斯拉的利益。 马斯克的言论也凸显了特朗普政府内部在贸易政策上的不同意见。一方面,政府希望保护美国制造业,另一方面,又需要考虑全球经济一体化的现实。 马斯克与白宫之间的冲突,也反映了美国科技行业与政府之间日益紧张的关系。科技公司通常更倾向于自由贸易,而政府则更关注国家安全和国内就业。 Scott Calvert: 阿米什社区对电动自行车的态度存在分歧。一部分人认为电动自行车方便快捷,可以提高工作效率,改善生活质量;另一部分人则担心电动自行车会破坏传统的家庭结构和社区凝聚力,导致年轻人脱离家庭监管。 电动自行车的普及,也反映了阿米什社区在现代化进程中面临的挑战。他们需要在保持传统生活方式和适应现代社会之间取得平衡。 阿米什社区内部对电动自行车的争论,也反映了科技发展与传统文化之间的冲突。科技的进步为人们的生活带来了便利,但也可能对传统社会结构和价值观造成冲击。

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Hey, TNB listeners, before we get started, a heads up. We're going to be asking you a question at the top of each show for the next few weeks. Our goal here at Tech News Briefing is to keep you updated with the latest headlines and trends on all things tech. Now we want to know more about you, what you like about the show, and what more you'd like to be hearing from us.

So our question this week is how important are the latest tech headlines to you? If you're listening on Spotify, look for our poll under the episode description, or you can send us an email to tnb at wsj.com. Now on to the show.

Welcome to Tech News Briefing. It's Friday, April 11th. I'm Victoria Craig for The Wall Street Journal. President Trump's tariffs have sent angst through global financial markets this week and ruffled the feathers of so-called first buddy, tech billionaire Elon Musk.

Then, electric bikes are a device of technology in big cities where cyclists sometimes decline to obey traffic rules and in the world's second largest Amish community. We'll take you there to find out why they've become so controversial.

We start with Elon Musk. He made clear his opposition to the White House tariff policy this week, which landed him in hot water with the administration's trade advisor, Peter Navarro. During an interview with CNBC, Navarro implied that Elon's electric car company, Tesla, relies too much on components from overseas markets.

The batteries come from Japan and come from China. The electronics come from Taiwan. The tires come. What we want, and the difference is in our thinking and Elon's on this, is that we want the tires made in Akron. We want the transmissions made in Indianapolis.

To catch us up on the latest turbulence in D.C., our columnist Tim Higgins joins us as part of our series looking at Musk's first 100 days in the Trump White House. So, Tim, Musk has been quite the critic this week. After Navarro's comments on CNBC, Musk responded with sharp words describing Navarro as, quote, truly a moron and dumber than a sack of bricks. What is Musk's concern about Trump's tariff policy when it comes down to it?

Musk isn't supporting these tariffs. He wants free trade. He's supported that for a long time. And it also kind of illustrates the tensions within kind of the Trump mega tent that is made very large in the past year to bring in a lot of supporters that people are at the opposite ends on some of these issues. And Musk doesn't.

And the Silicon Valley tech bro, a part of that wing is definitely at odds with some part of the more conservative part of the wing that wants to have more protectionism. It has this idea of bringing manufacturing into the U.S. And that's not to say that Musk isn't about U.S. made products.

Tesla is a homegrown U.S. automaker. Its Model Y is seen as being perhaps among, if not the most, American-made cars out there. But still, Tesla is a global automaker. It depends heavily on its business in China, where it has a giant assembly factory. It has a factory in Germany, a

A trade war is not good for Tesla. It is not good for global companies that depend on the back and forth trade. And Elon Musk has really been a fixture, as we've talked many times in the second Trump administration. But will this public criticism that he's had about what really is

a hallmark so far of President Trump's second term, these tariffs. Could that cause a further rift? Because the president said that Musk will leave the administration, quote, in a couple of months. It's interesting. The White House was asked about the rift.

And it was kind of chalked up to boys being boys, the comments going back and forth between Musk and Navarro, an illustration that all sides of debate are occurring. And they're not only occurring at the White House, but in the public view. It is, to your point, though, one of the unique ways in which Musk has broken with Trump in a very public way. It doesn't seem just yet as if Trump and Musk are taking the break much further than

We still see them working together. There is clearly, though, an off-ramp being developed for Musk to maybe dial back some of his involvement at the White House. He is a special government employee. That is a 130-day window of time. It is clear that the White House and Musk seem to be signaling that when that comes to an end, he's going to take a step back.

He has many companies to run. Tesla is facing its own challenges. And Musk has been spending a lot of time at the White House complex the last few months. And investors of his companies would probably like to see him spend some of that time in Austin, where Tesla is headquartered.

or in South Texas where SpaceX has its launch facility. We talked earlier this week on the show about the nomination hearing for Jared Isaacman to head up NASA. Elon Musk was very influential in getting his friend and fellow billionaire nominated to that post.

But was his vision, Isaacman's, slightly at odds with Musk's in the end during his testimony? Musk's vision, of course, is for a strong push to prioritize a manned mission to Mars over a return of the moon. How did the hearing go on Capitol Hill for Isaacman?

Well, Isaac Ben supports the idea of going to Mars, but it seems as if he's also very aware of the politics around returning to the moon. There's several senators who are very interested in that mission, and he voiced support for both the moon and Mars.

And maybe that is some savvy politics on his part. It's important to keep Congress happy. At the end of the day, though, having somebody like him in NASA is important for Musk and his broader vision. It's clearly an ally, clearly somebody who subscribes to the ideas and ideals of what SpaceX is all about. He's been an investor. He's also been essentially a client of SpaceX. And so...

I don't read it as some sort of major break or a bad sign for Musk, but rather Isaacman playing politics. That was WSJ columnist Tim Higgins. Coming up, when to embrace technology and when not to. How Ohio's Amish community is split on the use of e-bikes. That story after the break. This episode is brought to you by Shopify. Shopify.

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People in big cities like New York and London lament the widespread use of electric bikes. Often, that's because users ditch the bikes in bushes, abandon them in the middle of the sidewalk, or whiz through red lights at top speed. In one part of Ohio, though, people are wary of e-bike adoption for completely different reasons.

WSJ reporter Scott Calvert traveled to Berlin, Ohio, where e-bikes have become ubiquitous on the hilly roads of the world's second-biggest Amish settlement.

Scott, for our listeners who aren't as familiar with the Amish community, just explain their general relationship with technology. Sure. So they have a general sort of wariness when it comes to adopting technology. They're not anti-technology, but the way that they look at it is they want to see what will it do to their faith, their family, their community. And if they think that there's going to be a benefit, then they are willing to consider adopting it. And so...

What's particularly interesting now is that e-bikes have surged in popularity among people in this community, particularly young people. How widespread is the adoption? It's very widespread. So when you are there, if you're on a fairly big road, you will not have to wait long before you see some Amish person riding by on their e-bike. And particularly in the mornings and in the afternoons when people are riding them to work, to jobs, they're

you will see a fairly steady stream of people on e-bikes. In Holmes County, Ohio, which is the second largest Amish community in the country and the world for that matter, there are several groups within that umbrella. And some of the more conservative groups are very restrictive when it comes to technology. And in the context of bikes, they don't allow pedal bikes or electric bikes.

Then there is this group called Old Order, which is a majority of that community. And most of the Old Order districts, which are sort of like parishes or congregations, they have approved electric bikes. And then there is a group called New Order. It's a little bit complicated, but they permit pedal bikes, but not the electric kind.

And you talked to one bike shop owner who really put this surge in interest in perspective. Yeah, so he said it really started about a decade ago, and he pins it to 2016. And he said that it just kind of went wild, then everybody wanted them. That's really when this sort of surge began, and it sort of has increased since then. People are saying that there are constantly more and more people who are buying e-bikes, and at this point, replacing e-bikes. His shop, 95% of what they sell are e-bikes.

And given what you explained about this relationship to technology and wanting to use certain kinds and not others, what's sort of the idea behind making e-bikes an acceptable form of transportation? It's really convenience is what it comes down to. Because increasingly, a lot of Amish people in this community

have come off the family farm. They're working in this growing manufacturing sector. Oftentimes their work is five or 10 miles away. And so if they didn't have the e-bike, they could ride a pedal bike, but it's very hilly. They could go by horse and buggy, but that's slow. Or basically these manufacturers

Companies often supply vans, and so they could ride in the company van. They're not allowed to drive cars, Amish, but they can ride. But that costs several dollars a day, and so that's expensive. So the e-bike is seen as a convenient option that pretty quickly pays for itself over a relatively short period of time.

I'm a fellow e-bike owner myself, so I can certainly attest to the convenience of it. But I think what's important to point out with this story, too, is that not everyone is thrilled with this widespread, can we call it, adoption of e-bikes within this community. And it isn't about the power usage that these bikes have. It's more about what the e-bikes symbolize and what they could really do to family structures within the communities, right?

That's right. One thing people sometimes don't understand is that for many Amish, there are a fair amount of appliances that they have at home. So they use like natural gas or solar to power things like refrigerators and stoves and washing machines. They don't connect to the electric grid because they want to maintain some separation from the wider world. They don't drive cars.

But they do use technology. And you'll see it at these companies. They have these generator-powered tools that they use. But when it comes to the e-bikes, it's not the power source, but it's sort of what it allows. It's this concern about the impact on the family, on the community. And so for the people who are critical of the e-bikes and don't support them, the concern is that it makes it very easy for people to go off in their own direction. It's easy for teenagers to go places without parental supervision and maybe get into things they shouldn't.

And so the flip side of the convenience is a concern that it just creates this sort of family separation and undermines that family unity. That was WSJ reporter Scott Calvert. And that's it for Tech News Briefing. Today's show was produced by Julie Chang. I'm your host, Victoria Craig. Additional support this week from Jess Jupiter and Matthew Walls. Jessica Fenton and Michael LaValle wrote our theme music. Our supervising producer is Emily Martosi. Our development producer is Aisha Al-Muslim.

Scott Salloway and Chris Dinsley are the deputy editors. And Felana Patterson is The Wall Street Journal's head of news audio. We'll be back this afternoon with TNB Tech Minute. Thanks for listening.