The Long Game: New Year Notes on Longevity with Dr. Patti Kim on Aging, Routines & Nature’s Cycles (2/2)
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Hi, I wanted to jump in and record a intro before the intro of this episode because when I recorded the intro a mere several days ago, so much has changed in the place that I live and I'm sure that everyone listening

knows someone or has been impacted in some way by hearing the devastating stories of the fires and I'll probably have more to say later but for now while they're very much still going and there's really no prediction for when they'll be died out or how much damage has been done but

Today I've had so many conversations with friends about how this city that I live in and that I love and have lived in for the last five years will not be the same and entire communities like Altadena, very close to me, and the Palisades have been devastated. Thousands of homes and businesses that I love and frequent

and people that I know and acquaintances and friends of friends and friends' parents and actual friends of mine and people that I know and talk to and love from close to only met a couple times but follow on the internet just seeing post after post and it's really, really heartbreaking and I'm one of the lucky ones and

Just having gone through the process of packing a bag and putting on a mask and smelling the smoke and figuring out what to do when my power was out, that just pales in comparison to the anxiety and stress and how dysregulated everyone's nervous system is here in the city after getting these alerts on our phones and not knowing what's happening. And

Trying to figure it out. So I just want to say that obviously what you're about to hear is a very light conversation between two friends who both live in this city that was recorded on New Year's Day and it's very light and obviously it's the second half of something that you maybe listened to last week. So I'm putting it out and I hope that it

some levity to people reading news or here experiencing this in whatever way they are. And yeah, I just, I am so sorry to everyone who has been impacted by this and lost so much. There are so many resources to be able to help those who are impacted. I felt so sorry

And the only thing that makes me feel better is to try to donate, try to share, try to drop off resources to those affected. And there are so many lists and links of where to donate and how to volunteer circulating on social media. And there are actually so many roundups of resources, of links. So I'm going to share...

What I can, as many as I can. And I think that a friend of mine, Kate, along with Emily Wilson, made a really great guide as of today. But as I said, the situation is very much in process the day I'm recording this. And it's changing. So I'll share some resources in the show notes. But...

You know what to do. You know where to donate. I'm sure there's many, many more. So I just wanted to caveat this whole conversation by giving this intro of where I'm at and where we're all at after the devastating fires that have occurred here in California. Okay, so here we are going back in time.

Thank you so much for listening and I will talk to you soon. With the physical decline of hormones comes a heightened increase and growth of intuition and connection to our higher self. So it is not just this ending and this death. It is this relay race of now the baton is being handed over. Okay, hi. Welcome back. Part two.

You know what I always say, act two of this show

Dare I say of any show, even Ira Glass, Act 3, Act 4 sometimes for him, that's when things come alive. That's when, at least here, that's what I can speak for. Here on this program called Let It Out. If you're new, hi, welcome. My name is Katie. You should probably go back to Part 1 because you're about to get dropped into the middle of an episode that was recorded on New Year's Day with Dr. Patty Kim, who

my close friend and acupuncturist, naturopathic doctor in Los Angeles, California,

One of my favorite people to talk to. This is the half of the show. This is the act of the show where we're a little bit looser. In the case of this episode, we were sleepy because it was late. It had gotten late. And we're real loose. So we're telling it like it is. I sure am. I really... I was in a weird mood. You know, this is a... I feel exposed in this episode. I said last week, but...

I could call this episode, I might cut this out, but I left in most of it. So honestly, all of it, I think. Here you go. Here is part two of our conversation. We are talking about longevity in every sense of the word from her long career as a doctor and acupuncturist to longevity in bodies and aging and watching our parents and pets and friends age.

And we also talk about some of the uncomfortable parts of that, including vanity. And I share a lot of my own neuroses around a lot of this. So if you want more of Dr. Patty, I think I mentioned this last week, but this is her third appearance on the show. So there's more episodes where this came from that I'll link to in the show notes. And if you want to connect with me more about

The ways to do that are also in the show notes. I have a sub stack where you can read more about what you heard me talk about here. Okay, here is part two of our conversation and I'll talk to you at the end. Happy New Year. You know, I say that to like deep march, so I know it's not fresh anymore, but you know what it was when this was recorded. Okay, here it is.

And I wanted to tell you this separately from recording anyway, but I had an interesting conversation with someone at a party yesterday. And we were talking about stomach issues and they had...

I had a really tricky situation happen where they gained a bunch of weight over a couple... Over some... Probably a quick amount of time. And they weren't feeling great and just having a tough time. And went to all these doctors. Nobody could figure out what's happening. Really low energy. Went to a naturopathic doctor, acupuncturist, much like yourself. And this person lived in New York. And they...

Said that they were very malnourished because of the, you know, they weren't digesting things. And, you know, I'm sure your brain is clicking on what might have been the issue. And anyway, helped them. They worked on all these things, put them on a specific, all these things, or, you know, the whole nine. And they got better. Mm-hmm.

And some of the weight, they got into more balance, some of the, you know, whatever. And then years later, the cut to, you know, when I, when I heard this story, they were saying that this person ended up gained some weight again and was kind of expecting to like go back to the same doctor and kind of like be like, all right, now like do the same. Two of those. Yeah.

And this time the doctor was like, well, you know, looked at their chi and was actually like, your chi is actually really strong. Like you're, this is actually kind of how you're supposed to be. You're like actually doing well. And that wasn't what the person wanted to hear. And I'm sure you've had to be in that situation. Yes, I have. Which is challenging. Yes.

Can you talk about that a little bit? Well, it's extra challenging living in LA. I will say that. You know, if I'm going to be completely frank, I've had people say,

X amount is my weight, but I would like, but this is my vanity weight. And I actually have taken that terminology and I've said to, cause I've had people put on their intakes weight gain or, you know, and then they walk into the office and I think this person looks completely healthy and, you know, average sized. And was it me? Yeah.

And so I am completely frank about saying, is this your vanity weight that you're thinking about? Or is this where your body wants to sit? And there is a certain acceptance to that. And, you know, that goes back to the no judgment, right? Like people who are not my patients who are, you know, using tools to get to their vanity weight, that's their journey. Yeah.

So yeah, it's, uh, sometime I have had to speak to patients about your healthy weight, the size where your body wants to be versus where you think you should be, you know, just like in life, you know, where maybe in your career, this is actually where you're supposed to be. What was the Francis Hawk quote?

Yeah, it's good. Sometimes it's good to do the thing you're meant to do when you're meant to do it. Exactly. You know, it's kind of I think that is aligned with that, too. So whether it's your body size or your career, we have these like notions of where we think we're supposed to be and how that what that destination is going to bring us so much more fulfillment and success and et cetera. But

I mean, I think a big, one of the pros of aging is you have a bigger sample size to know that, because you hit a few milestones, you get a bit of success, whether it's

or whether it's being known in some way or an accomplishment or a move. I'm naming ones that I've achieved. There have been periods of time where I've had money and I haven't had to worry about that. And knowing that, okay, I can think back to that and know that I didn't feel...

enlightened and completely fulfilled and like everything was perfect just because I had money. Yeah. I've been in a body size that, you know, is not probably where my body wanted to be, but I know that like, was your life better when you were in a smaller body? No. Like these are all these in some ways, cause I wasn't worried about that thing, you know, but like, did you, did you get to a place where you stopped worrying about that thing where you were like, this is it. I've, I've hit it. Yeah. Where I wasn't like, yeah, but it's,

If I'm really honest with myself, I've known that it was probably temporary. I've known that like, I can't speak of it in these terms that if you tested my chi, you'd be like, your chi is not strong right now. Yeah. Like this isn't sustainable. Mm-hmm.

But you were happy to be there even momentarily. It was easier to get dressed in the morning and go to the party because I liked my outfits. You have to kind of think about style more when you've had a change in size. When you...

Yeah. I mean, I could go on about this. I have a lot of thoughts on it, but I mean, I have my whole life had three sizes in my closet. Yeah. And I think that's fluctuations are normalizing that that is just a part of life, you know, and, and part of cycles like that. And that's something else I want to talk about, but I think that's really, but, but regardless that they're right, that they're,

to be expected and normal, even like the ones that are due to the period, you know, like having a, having a period, like they're still jarring. They're still challenging because you are like, Oh yeah. Even though I feel I prefer them to ones where I don't know why, you know, like it's, it's better when a relationship ends and you know why, then when a relationship ends and you don't know why, like one is excruciating, one is unpleasant.

You know, I think it's the same thing for any sort of change like that. But, but my, my point is like, even though I might not know that like my, my chi is not strong or whatever, um,

This goes back to the self-awareness thing. I've had many conversations, not in explicit terms like the one last night that I just explained, but with people recently where I think because I talk about it and write about it, the body image conversation and have more this year than I have in the last couple of years, people confine in me about that a lot. And

Which I'm happy to hear about and talk about even though, you know, I'm obviously no expert in it. But I think that I just keep hearing the same thing over and over again of like, yeah, well, I know that I... What you're saying about vanity weight, essentially. Like, I know that where I'm at right now is not where I should be, but I like it. You know? And like... Or I know that...

I was at this other place and I actually felt better, but I don't want to be, you know, like you just hear it a lot, whether it's they had a baby or whether it's they, and I think just that like that little, like people are very honest with me about that. But I think being honest with yourself, like I know, like I intuitively, I just ignore it. Like I just kind of put that self-awareness somewhere else. Cause I don't want to,

I don't want to deal with the change, but it's like really avoiding a change that if it's anything, you know, but what I was saying about age is like, you get a bigger sample size to know that like,

Even when I've been in a relationship, I know that that's not the thing that's going to make all my hopes and dreams come true or having money. Or I thought for a long time moving to New York would do it or moving here or whatever. That's one thing I feel grateful for is even though I have things I want and have things I want to improve about my life, I'm not delusional that...

I know wherever you go, there you are. Like I know that no matter what, like, and I, and I've been close enough to, even though I haven't like had massive, massive amounts of wealth, even though I've had periods of more money and less money, I've been around enough people to know that money doesn't bring you everything. I've been in, you know, I think that the younger you are, you have these delusions of like, if I just get the thing and that's all gone. And that's a positive thing of aging for me. Do you feel like that?

I do, but we've talked about this. I mean, on the money topic, it does a certain level of money brings you freedom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just like ease. And help. Yes. And health too. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I do think, and it's just, it goes back to that study of like, there's a certain amount. Yeah, exactly. I think it's like $100,000. Well, the study was like 60 or 70,000 at the time. But I think it, I think it just has to do with like where you're living, you know? So it just represents a certain level of income or money or that gets you all those things where you feel like, okay, I feel secure. Yeah. But then beyond that, it really doesn't bring you more happiness. Yeah.

So I do agree, but the sample size thing, I mean, yeah, it's just, do I love that like

My boobs are sagging more? No, but I do feel like I don't give a fuck as much, you know? I'm learning little by little to care less, to have, to not compare as much. Is it like done? No, I think when I'm done, like I'll be dead. Like it'll be like, okay, time for the next life, you know? Or ideally, yeah.

I mean, this is kind of dark and morbid and it's a very Pisces thing to say, but not even the next step. I'm like, I can't wait till I am just like floating through space. And people are like, what? Like, I'm not saying like, you know, something dark that people are thinking, but I just...

my brain just works that way of like, I know that I'm this like soul and spirit in this body and I can't wait to be graduated. And, you know, but then I also know I've read so many woo woo things about like how like earth is the hardest school and it's like a privilege to be here. And we all like,

It's like winning the lotto to be able to come to Earth as a human. And people, souls clamor to come here. And so I do often think about that as well. But I forget your question. Longevity, aging. Yeah, that's what I want to talk about. Well, Ram Dass has that thing about death is like taking off a shoe that's too tight. I know, it's so good, right? Yeah. Okay, well, speaking of death, let's talk about its appetizer, aging. Yeah.

There's a lot. It's hard. Yeah. I want to talk about it in terms of women, women's wellness and periods and PMS and menopause and not any of the specifics. But as you know, many people, many of my friends are either menopausal

freezing their eggs or considering that or fertility in general. There's just so much to it. I can't seem to like, every time I get my period, I'm like trying to take vitamin C to get it to come soon. Like there's just so, I know you've had many, many, you know, you have, it's okay to say you have endo. You have endometriosis. I come from a sea of endo and have, you know, some of my own things, but-

we could do, maybe we perhaps we will, if there's interest for this, we could do an entire podcast on women's wellness on any of those topics. I'm sure we could do a series. You could do a podcast on those, but just for the sake of it being, you know, night and, and needing to let you go. Like, are there any, I know you, you treat people for all of these issues, but in terms of like keeping ourselves as women healthy,

Well, I know there's like... It's probably really hard to do this and I was going to ask you about these all separately, to be honest, but... I know, we could talk for days. I know. Is there... I guess maybe we just... If there's interest, people can let us know, but is there anything you want to... Like that you can say in a quick way? This is... I'm doing a terrible thing by just tossing this. About women's health or any of those topics? Yeah, and in terms of...

Yeah, exactly. I was going to say in terms of aging that people can think about because it is cyclical. It's something that... Talk about nature. You're aware of nature with cycles. I think that...

With the physical decline, and I may have also said this on a previous podcast episode, but I don't expect people to remember. And I've actually been meaning to post this on my Instagram because I think it's such a – this really is like the cornerstone. Oh, good. Exclusive. With –

With the physical decline of hormones comes a heightened increase and growth of intuition and connection to our higher self. So it is not just this ending and this death. It is this relay race of now the baton is being handed over. But we so, just like the Ozempic conversation, just like the Vanity Way conversation, we so prize the visual and the looks of

and the youth of it all. And, you know, right now menopause, perimenopause is having a moment. So, you know, all the holistic medical doctors out there are really advocate and, you know, other holistic providers as well. My colleagues, my naturopathic doctors, and I have nothing against hormone bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. I think I prescribe it. It's, you know, all of it. But I think that there's a conversation that's not happening of, um,

of what is the continuation? We just look at menopause and aging and death, sort of this heading towards the finish line. But we are souls in a physical body, as we all know. And so it isn't just ending, going towards the end of the race and then death. It's actually...

oh, we're actually evolving. Like this part of us is quote unquote dying or ending or, you know, going in a different direction. But that wasn't a very eloquent way to say it, but it is this, you know, I, another thing that I tell patients is it's as our day ends and our cortisol goes down, it is like a baton being handed over. It's like the night crew coming in, the night crew comes in, which is melatonin and growth hormone. And so it's like handing over the baton and

And that is what is happening as we are aging. So yes, the physical declines and the baton is handed over to a greater intuitive connection to our higher self. And on a practical level, look at all your elders and aunties and moms who are

more powerful, who are coming into their own, who are divorcing their partners, who are moving, who are changing jobs, who are setting boundaries, who are taking classes that they never took before. That is the physical manifestation of what that connection to your higher self looks like.

So it isn't just about, ooh, can I take some estrogen for better elasticity? Granted, people should be able to have pain-free sex. People should feel good in their bodies. People should not be dealing with horrible symptoms. And that is where hormones come into play. But I think we're falling a little bit short in the conversation. All right, I'm cutting into this episode to tell you about

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Yeah, I talked about, well, All Fours by Miranda July. I talked about so much in the Amanda Chantal Bacon episode. But she talks about this a lot in terms of having expanders of people that are older women that are doing things that you admire. And my favorite part of that book was she, the unnamed character,

main character asks, pulls women who have, who are older than her, what a positive thing about menopause was. And, you know, the answers were like, that's the part I want to remember. And I think that's a great question. That's a great way to reframe anything, you know, whether it's aging abstractly, like I was saying in terms of like, well, you have a bigger sample size or, or,

even looking at the day or like, look, like what I was saying about the new year's thing, like, cause it, it just, it's all it is, is a reframe, you know, like all it is, is a classic psychological, like reframing something. I mean, and again, like I can say this as much as I want to the cows come home and I doing it as is different, but I, it's so helpful to just

It's so easy to see that, like what you were saying about your patient's comment, like the negative comments or the things that were challenging, like those memories are like stuck with us, right? Like it's the good things, they come in and they come out and like the negative things to aging are prominent, but the positives of anything, I think it's like, and I'm saying this and I know it sounds really,

silly and gooey and embarrassing but I'm doing it because I really need to do it more it's like the only way for me to continue is like this mental gymnastics with everything of trying to reframe it like that so I just love that of like there

there's good too. There's another way to see it. Like instead of what's just fed to you and, and also to validate and recognize it is hard to see your skin changing, your body changing, you know? And I mean, I,

Again, like even just seeing it in my dog, like it's hard to see her decline and that this is we are just in these in our parents. Like we are literally just in these meat suits and they are decaying. We are literally decaying from the moment we're born. That's such a dark way of this. This whole episode is quite dark. But I think it's also real, you know, and recognizing, yeah, we're just rotting flesh to be perfectly honest.

brutally honest, you know, and it's just trying to preserve that as much as possible. Yeah. But you know, I was, I've said to, you might want to cut this out, but I look at Olive and like, even like her genitalia is a little saggy.

And, but she's covered in fur. But I know because she's like my dog. I'm like, oh, interesting. Like how to see like how her body is aging. And I'm like, but dogs don't care. And I, and they're covered in fur. And I just think if we were just covered in fur from head to toe. Oh, we're covered in clothes. Well, that's true. But like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To really not care, you know, of like, oh, this is just, she doesn't care. Other dogs that see her don't care, you know? Right, right. And I think that.

Oh, gosh. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, yeah, we should be able to not be covered in fur and still not care. That's the ideal and really be enlightened enough to be like, these are just meat suits. But it's a part of the human experience. Like I said, like souls clamoring to become human and get to Earth. Part of experiencing it is the vanity. Exactly. And even like me on my... And I'm not... You know me. I have no place to be on a high horse about...

standards of beauty or ozempic or whatever it's like it's not going it's part of it we live in a culture that is ageist you know that like prioritizes youth for for evolutionary reasons and beyond and and

I think as much as I can be like, do a reframe and think positively about it. And I really like that stuff. When I've been able to do that, it was easier when I was younger. And now I really have to try hard, but I know where venting takes me. And it's,

We were, well, this is just an honesty hour now. Before this, I was venting a little bit to my friend and it felt really bad. Like it just doesn't. That's because you have such a tender heart. No, it's, I just think that sitting in my own shit doesn't get me out of it. And I know that, but I also am not, it's,

It's a slippery slope because holding it all in and like pretending everything's okay, that makes me feel very lonely and terrible too. Worse. But there's something about like, I want to be able to vent about how it is for sure. Let it out. Mm-hmm.

But I also want to be able to be like, this is how it is, but this is how it could be better. And this is what I could do to make that happen. And what do you, you know, like have looking at it that way. Yeah. And more constructive. Yeah. Or solution oriented or having a growth mindset about it.

But I think I can't just start there. And I've tried. And I think I have to give the backstory or be honest about where I am. And same with the exercise of the New Year thing. I can't just say what I want for 2025 without being like, this is what happened in 2024. I think it's okay to vent. I vent all the time. I mean, that's this whole...

This whole... Do you find that you get the same release from journaling without feeling bad versus venting to a friend? Well, I mean, this is what I say in the journaling book too. And what I say about my version of morning pages, but in the book, what I call the morning dump, as you know, is like...

What I've noticed with people journaling and myself is especially if you do an exercise where you're writing for a set amount of time or you're pushing yourself to do it for a little bit longer than you normally would, no matter what, pretty much across the board when I've assigned this to people, I've taught it in a workshop and when I've done it with myself, it might entirely be negative.

But there'll be somewhere where you'll self-soothe, where you'll self-coach, where you'll... We just will be solution-oriented. And it might be very small, it might be very slight, it might be, like, imperceptible. But, like, we're... It really happens when you go down the page. Because it's boring to just be like, everything's so terrible, everything's so terrible. Like, you will. And I do. And I've done it a lot. But then...

And it just feels like even like I was kind of saying some bummer things and then I was like, wait, I want to tell you what Stella got me for Christmas, you know, because it just was like a good thing. And I just and I think there's something about friendship, too, where I saw this. I think I sent it to you where it was like real friendship is being excited about someone's wins as you are to be able to. Did I send this to you? It was like some Instagram thing I saw. I'm just sending you all the zimping ads I can't handle.

Without any words. I know. I'm sorry. I just have to like, I have to vent. Okay. I'm sorry. It's like her whole Instagram is just like the ads I get. I'm like, anyway. It's a lot. Do you get them? No. Well, you do.

me. Isn't that funny that I haven't gotten them? I wonder if you will after today. No, I mean, you've sent me quite a few and I still haven't gotten them and I get, what ads do I get? I get, recently I've been getting a lot of bookkeeping ads. Oh, huh.

--So funny. Wherever your --Taxes, where my worries are. See? Isn't that interesting? It reads your mind. It reads your mind. --Dustin, Heidi's boyfriend said he was like I think the best like first date thing to do would be --No. --Show a screenshot of your --No. --Explore me. --No. They'd be like bye. --Will you do it with me after this? We won't, we won't. I mean, mine's I'm gonna be embarrassed about it, but

We should do it. We won't say what it is, but we should just hear our reactions. Can we end with that? Oh, on? We won't say what it is, but just hear our reactions. And we can talk about it once I stop recording. Sure.

I'm just going to do two more rapid fire. Yeah, yeah. I know. Sorry that I haven't been answering rapid fire. No, no, no. I mean, this is a real free form show. This is just evening hang. Okay, speaking of vanity, let's talk. Well, can I just say something going back to even talking about the vanity? I think even something that I... Again, as a Pisces, I just want to be floating through space. And...

something that grounds me is I often think about someday I will not be in this body. I'll be dead. And I do believe that I have a soul that is going to go somewhere. I don't know. And I'm going to look back very fondly at being human and

and think about all the things that I can't do as a spirit, as a soul floating through space. And I'm gonna miss eating chocolate, eating food. I'm gonna miss getting a massage. I'm gonna miss taking a bath, wearing cute clothes. And so I think even with the vanity, yes, part of being the human experience is the, oh, why are my boobs so saggy? Or why are these pants tight? But it is also like,

having delight in our outfits and maybe our makeup or no makeup or, you know, how we put our hair up or a cute hat or, you know, so as we are aging, I think finding a little bit of delight in the vanity is really crucial. Yeah, I really, really like that. And that's where I was going, bringing back up the freaking Ozempic again and like the, I never completed my thought, but that's what I was trying to say is like,

The standards of beauty are gonna be here whether we like them or not. That is all around, so we have to, it's better to work with it than against it. But what I loved about what you said

And what's like really hitting me hard, like I'm going to need to replay that again and again for myself because, well, it's easy to like the, what you just said, putting on cute clothes or makeup and like having a good hair day and delighting in that and what that feels like. Like that part's easy, right? Like that, but,

the part that is trickier but you also alluded to there is like delighting in the friction of like wow noticing my changing body like I'm not gonna do that when I I'm that's part of it that like wow I'm having a real full spectrum of emotions here noticing the change or

Yeah, delighting in the friction of it, I think, is part of the human experience. Because who knows? Maybe there's another place our souls go where everything is positive and we only have good hair days and great skin. I know. I told this to a patient and they were like, I love eating. What do you mean? And then he said...

maybe we go to a place where we just get to eat all the time. And I was like, oh my God, you're right. Actually, we don't know. Right, right, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's such a good point. But thanks for making, interpreting what I said and making it even more, making it so eloquent, delighting in the friction. That's beautiful. Well, yeah. That's why you're the writer. No, you're a brilliant writer too. But I think that's,

It's hard to delight in the friction, but the reason why there's delight in the non-friction is because there's friction. I mean, Abraham Hicks talks about this all the time, where it's like,

contrast. Like the only reason that you have to have the bad days to make the good ones good. Or, you know, Ram Dass would always say like ice cream tastes so good because we know we're going to die. You know, it's like, I think that's that we're all saying the same thing, you know? And it's hard to remember that, but I need to, I haven't heard it in the terms you put it in, in terms of like with the vanity and the beauty stuff and the aging stuff being like,

Because I never thought it. I had, obviously, I've had vanity issues, you know, seemingly. I probably, not when I was a very young child, which I have some memories of being a kid, not having them. But probably from, like, seven, I was pretty aware of that shit. Yeah. And, like. I mean, who doesn't? I think that's a common starting point. Yeah, totally. But I wasn't.

concerned about aging until this year you know like I really didn't have any sort of problem with that at all because I knew it would be something that would happen to me if I was lucky but I was just and I and I and I also knew that like oh that probably isn't I'm not gonna be great at that you know knowing that how bad I was at the other but it seemed so far in the future that I was like you

You don't really think about it when you're in it. Yeah, when I learned facial acupuncture, I was like... I took it. I was learning the techniques. And I remember thinking, I'm never going to do this. This is not real medicine. People should just age gracefully. I was like...

30, you know, or 28. I can't remember. And now I'm like, come one, come all. Let me stick these needles in you. Like, let's get that chi moving. Let's get that blood flowing. What is that? Can you talk about that a little bit? There's many different techniques, but it's essentially... Is that why you look so incredible? No, no.

Um, it's essentially like she's 30 now. Oh my gosh. You're so sweet. But it's, yeah, it's, it's almost like microneedling in the sense that you are on a physical level, you are creating some micro traumas and bringing more collagen growth, but it is acupuncture on the face and bringing more blood and chi and, and essentially helps collagen and elastin. So yeah, now, um,

at 28, 29, 30, I was like, I'm here to help patients with real symptoms. And now I'm just like, anybody who wants this, I'm here for it. Let me help. You know, it's hard. That friction is a real thing. Yeah. And it's funny because like, okay, this is like now kind of full circle because I, I hear that and I'm like, oh, fine.

First of all, she's open for business. Please book an appointment. The link is in the show notes to do so. For facial acupuncture, for your stomach concerns, for your pain. She helped me so much. I had a horrible sciatica and pain. She fully cured me, which I know is not a... Not all the time. Not all the time. But I will say, for me, it just was a thing. I was in horrific pain. She put some needles in me. I stood up and I had no pain. So take that with...

what you will, but that's the truth. And, but anyway, book your appointment with Dr. Patty for a myriad of issues, but including, but not limited to facial acupuncture, which I want to do now, but yeah,

Here I am sitting here being like, book that vanity, do it. But I'm not going to, and I know you obviously, you're not going to prescribe Ozempic or those things to people who are, you know, at risk or wouldn't like, you know, what we just talked about for a long time. But like, isn't it funny that we don't judge like,

the facial acupuncture, but not again, not that I'm judging it, but there's a part of me that's like, God, it's so such a bummer that we have to feel like we need to do these things to our bodies where like with the face stuff, I'm kind of like, I, and I, and I can say this going back, you know, there, my whole life I've been exposed to Chinese medicine. And if you went to, there were certain Chinese medicine practitioners who, um,

you know, if you needed to lose weight, they would give you teas. And it was basically diuretic and wood and a laxative, you know, and tons of fasts and like, you know, all sorts of kind of extreme measures and quote unquote all natural. And that's really, um,

if someone, again, was really struggling with insulin resistance and inflammation and, you know, heart disease and all these things, it's one thing to start to chip away at some of the things that are going on on a cellular level. But yeah, if again, someone wanted to lose five pounds and again, there's nothing wrong with wanting to lose five pounds, but I do think we need to look at some deeper roots if you

you're feeling like if I just lost this five pounds, like my life would be amazing, you know? And so it's kind of the same thing of, okay, let's take these herbs and let's shit our brains out, you know? But anything we can do to kind of support and nudge and, you know, in a gentle way, whether that's facial acupuncture or a moisturizer or meditation, I think there's nothing wrong with trying to

move along the path and have it be just a more gentle journey. Yeah. You know? I mean, I think my whole thing here is like a mentor of mine who I love and is my friend now, Isabel Fox and Duke, who really opened me up to the perspective I have about our weight not being under control and showing me, you know, that it

it's not a moral issue and just really opening up my perspective on that, which I still hold, even though the culture's really shifted not towards that. Like I think I thought it was going at one point. And I think I have some, there's a grief to that for me where I kind of thought I had learned these things that were so helpful and so useful for me to think that like,

oh, maybe we could not judge people for what size they are. And it feels like that was kind of where people were going. And maybe it is in some ways, but...

But then in other ways, it feels like it has gone back. And so I think I'm personally having some grief towards that. And then the other thing is that Isabel, I remember her saying this where she was like, beauty standards have existed for millennia. Like you said, even standards of beauty to include body size have shifted and changed. And what's...

what's most difficult to attain is always what's in vogue and what costs the most resources to attain. But outside of shifting your body's weight, there have always been standards of beauty. And I remember her saying specifically, she was like, and I still participate in them. I still will paint my nails and I'm still going to color my hair and I'm still going to, you know, do whatever it was. Right. And she was like, I'm just not going to do ones that are,

for me harmful to my existence and manipulating my size to be a size it doesn't want to be I think in terms of like chi like you know not draining your resources yeah that I'm not going to do and I think that's why I can look at doing something to your skin or face or you know that

as something that's not going to drain your resources where that, that one is so, and again, clearly I have baggage with this one. Clearly this is a pointed issue for me. And I think it's because I think about it because I, I want it in some way, you know what I mean? Like I'm, I'm on the verge of, I'm not actually, but like I could, could be any, you know, and, and,

Sometimes the energy feels like you're on the verge and I want to like rein you in. No, I'm not actually. But I mean, well, I think I will. I'll tell people. Sure. I have gotten, if people have listened for a while, I have not had many ads on the show recently, although I'm very helpful to vent this really cool app, actually. And we're not doing the ad right now, but it's just funny you said that we talked about venting because it's literally an app called Vent. That's our sponsor right now. Oh. Yeah. And so you talk to someone who's not a therapist, but they, yeah, that's the sponsor. Yeah.

Anyway, thank you to Vint. Wait, I love that. Yeah, it's really, I mean, it's like so perfect for a show, obviously. Let it out. Yeah, this is not the ad break, but thank you to Vint. But anyway, until that point, you know, I hadn't had many, but I have had, and I send you screenshots of these too.

But multiple reach out and be like host experience. And what I don't even, what I keep calling it, what's it called? The GPL or whatever. Oh, GLP-1. Whatever they are. Just many of these services that I keep getting the ads for. Maybe that's why.

I'm getting the ads. Maybe it's something about like they're reaching out to me. But obviously I have said no. But I sent Dr. Patty a screenshot of one. I'm like, the universe is testing me. Like I could literally get it for free and sell it to all of you, which I would obviously never do. It goes against all my morals.

As an ad, not saying it goes against my will, people doing it, feel free. I just form myself in my current body size I am in right now. It would go against my morals to do it. But it's just funny. We have to laugh.

That crazy algorithm. The robots. I had so many questions for you and everyone else's questions that my computer has died and we have really gone off the rails. But I wanted to say like one of the last ones I do remember is like are there any wellness practices or trends that are because we've talked so negatively to do my own medicine of like veganism

venting but getting better as we go down the page like that you practices that you're wanting to continue in yourself or in your patients of things that people are coming to you more consistently about that are just some kind of more general things like can you give everyone a prescription for 2025 that would be a bit universal rest

Whatever that looks like for you. And that's one way you asked me earlier how I've evolved. And I've had to realize that

stillness and rest and restoration and recharging looks different for different people and tailoring that more. And also even just in my personal life being okay with what that looks like, instead of sort of, again, being rigid of like, this is how you should do it. You should meditate, you should do this. So whatever, however, that's defined for you and however you let your

and spirit and your body and your nervous system deeply rest. I think if we, I want, I'll leave you with this. One thing I tell many patients is if,

You wouldn't have to do any acupuncture or take any herbs or do any of these supplements or ever come see me again if you could just go lay on a beach and truly relax for a year, if not two. All your health issues would be... Well, we can't ever say all, but many health issues would be... Certainly wouldn't hurt. Certainly wouldn't hurt. So I think that...

Before you jump on a million supplements or wellness trends, really prioritizing rest and not just sleep, but actually that rest for your nervous system.

Yeah. Gosh, thank you so much. There's a million more questions. I'm sorry we went on a million tangents, but I love you so much. I'm so grateful that you took the time. Oh, thank you for letting me talk to you. I could talk to you all day, all night, as you know, as we have sometimes. So thank you for having me and for people listening if you've gotten this far. Yeah, get an appointment. Get yourself an appointment ASAP. Okay, let's let out a deep breath. And then if people do want to stick around, we'll look and we'll show each other as a laugh. Okay, inhale. Inhale.

Let it out. We did it. Now we can, it took so long. We don't have much more hanging time as friends, unfortunately, but okay. I'm going to take a screenshot of my, uh, what you are hearing now is we are both on our telephones. It has been hours. Um, I'm just narrating and I am going, uh, I, oh wait, I'm on let it out. It's Instagram that it's probably pretty similar, but I'm going to go on my actual Instagram and I'm going to go search. We're going to, yeah, but you can't change anything. No, no,

I'm not even going to look. I tried to scroll up, but even scrolling it wanted to refresh, so I'm not going to do that. Okay, I did a screenshot. Oh, I'll do a screenshot. But it doesn't matter. I don't know why I did the screenshot. Just in case it refreshed. Wow, I'm surprised at a couple of things that came up. One of them is kind of scary on yours. Is it? What is it?

It's like a before and after, maybe, I don't want to say. Like a plastic surgery of some sort, but it didn't scare me. I'm not going to scroll. But okay.

A lot of outfits. A lot of really cool outfits. I wish mine was as cool as yours. A lot of really cool outfits. One before and after. And just all outfits. And one makeup. Yours are cool. Mine are... It's too many. I know the outfits. The outfits are so cool. A lot of clothes. Mostly I look at clothes. God, mine are not that at all. But I do look at... Sometimes I do look at plastic surgery just to look at it. I...

I don't know why. I look at the plastic surgery that is subtle. Oh, I accidentally refreshed yours. A lot of Taylor Swift. We said we weren't going to say. I know, but you said mine. I know, I'm sorry. We'll cut that out. We can cut that out.

Oh, I did. I also, I didn't even look at mine. I actually trained my algorithm to have more of this guy on. Like I tell the people that one, Adam Brody.

um i wanted to see more of his face so i was actually actively but you if you don't god it's so interesting so because i was actively training my algorithm so for a while it was popping up but kind of like exercise like if i didn't keep up with it like he just slowly disappeared from my explore page so that's funny i also sometimes get lindsey because i'm like what did she lindsey lowen

Oh, I've never gotten her before. No, this is your phone. I know. I've never gotten her before. I know. I've never gotten, I know who this influencer is, but. This is what's scary. Oh yeah. That is scary. That is scary. I don't know why. Oh, I've also been looking at a lot of fur coat fashion. But I had a, I have a scary one too. Oh, she's come up on mine before. What, what is, why does she look so scary right there? Oh, I haven't seen this. I love. Wait, what's going on? What is that?

What's going on? Do you know this girl who is deaf and she lip reads? Oh, I have seen those. Those are great. Those are so good. They're so good. And listen, okay, I... We're cutting this stuff out, right? I'm fascinated by... Fashion predictions, dogs. I'm fascinated by Delia, so she's my age. I don't know. I just... I'm not... I don't like...

Look how cute these winter outfits are. Yeah, they're great. Wait, I kind of got a coat that looks just like that one. It kind of looks like the one you're wearing tonight, but green. No, no, no. The khaki one or the brown one? This one. It's on Depop. Oh, that's very cute. I just got it and it was a bad idea. Why? Wait, you got it or you bought it or you're selling it? Both. Bought it and instantly put it on Depop. She's an expander for me, for sure.

Oh, send her to me. I need more of that in my algorithm. Except she's, is this, are we cutting this out or is this recording? Well, let's just stop now so that we can be real. All right. Thank you everyone. Bye-bye. All right. Part two. We did it.

That's my conversation with Dr. Patty Kim. Book your acupuncture appointment. Perhaps facial acupuncture. Come one, come all. You heard the lady. And what else? She can cure you. I'll say it. I'll say it. She's the one to do it. I love her, obviously, so much. She's just such a special person, and I'm so grateful that she's in my life.

I honestly can't really talk more about it. I'll cry. But I hope you're having a good start to your year so far. What's been going on? I'm recording this just a few days into the year. I'll tell you what day it is. It's January 4th at 9.12 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. From here on in, I shoot without a script. See if anything comes of it. Set of my old shit. First shot, Roger. Tuning the Fender guitar. See? I know, Renf.

If you listen to this episode, that's just a little callback for you that I should probably cut out. But you know what? I'm not going to because that's the theme of this episode. Perhaps the theme of this year. Anyway, when you're hearing this, it will be very far into the future. I believe this comes out on January 13th, something like that. So 10 days from now, what has happened? What is even going on in the world? I hope...

Only good things. I hope this isn't ominous. All right, well, I'll be back next week with more episodes for you. And I'm optimistic about this year. I've been trying to stay on the side of hopefulness and growing. And I hope you have...

I have two. I actually just put on this really cool charm from our friend, friend of the show, Angie. And she has holistic spaces. She's been on the show more than anybody else.

And I am going to read you. You should get your charm. It's really cool. So it's the year of the snake. And she's gone over this. But basically you put on your keychain the best friend of whatever the year it is, right? So like essentially you'll be protected because it's like, well, if the best friend of...

The snake is with you. The snake's going to be like, oh, cool. You're like cool with my friend. Then I'm cool with you. That kind of thing. So anyway, in the feng shui tradition, it's auspicious to carry a three-dimensional monkey with you during the year of the snake, 2025. The monkey is the best friend of the snake and will bring you protection and good luck to you this year. The holistic space is...

handmade feng shui keychain that I have is available to you. I just put mine on and I wanted to read this. I don't know what color I have, but each color means something else. I think I have maybe turquoise, which is for growth and healing. I'll take it. It also might be purple, but my keys aren't near me right now. I don't remember. Anyway, I love you. I appreciate you listening to this very loose podcast

pillow talk type conversation with my close friend and letting me tell you about another thing from my other close friend who just lives far away and her husband Jeremiah is editing this podcast right now save the day we kind of mentioned that I'd moved my furniture with Angie I think I

Dr. Patty mentioned it a minute ago, and actually Jeremiah and Angie came over and moved the furniture. So it's a real family affair here at Let It Out. Okay, talk to you soon. Happy New Year. I'm going to keep saying it. I'll probably stop. Like I said, I don't know. Maybe it'll take me to April this year. Honestly, I still feel like I'm warming up to 2024 beginning. So, you know.

It's wild. It's boring to talk about. Fast time is moving, I know. But maybe I'll just do a vent session about it. This is not the place. Okay, bye-bye.