How Anastasia Soare built a beauty brand worth billions
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Oprah's production team called Anastasia Soiree. Would she come do Oprah's eyebrows live on the massively popular daytime TV show? And it was kind of scary because to do live her eyebrows in front of a camera is very difficult. I knew she was coming today, so I haven't plucked yet. This is Anastasia, queen of brows. Thank you.

Anastasia was used to fixing up the eyebrows of famous people in her Beverly Hills studio. But to do it for Oprah, I mean, it's Oprah live on stage on television.

I wanted to cry. I wanted to jump. I don't even remember what. But Anastasia kept her cool on camera. She walked the audience through how to perfectly shape your eyebrows, and Oprah loved the result. You will not find anybody better than her on the planet for doing brows. I haven't. Ooh, look at that brow, baby. This was a different era. Daytime television really mattered. And no one mattered more than Oprah.

Her talk show was seen by millions and millions of people every day. So after the episode aired, the phone will not stop ringing. And it hasn't stopped ringing ever since. The Romanian immigrant celebrity-fueled beauty business grew from renting a room in Beverly Hills to a global brand that peaked at a valuation of no less than $3 billion.

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This is Masters of Scale. I'm Jeff Berman, your host.

Anastasia Soiree is the expert esthetician responsible for the way everyone from Oprah and Michelle Obama to Kim Kardashian and Michelle Pfeiffer shape their eyebrows. In this episode, she shares lessons in leveraging today's influencer economy and explains why she never wants to retire. I was thrilled to sit down with Anastasia in Los Angeles for this conversation and honestly a little bit shocked by what she said when we started talking.

You have good eyebrows, by the way. My day is made.

Anastasia, welcome to Masters of Scale. Thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to have you. You, like so many of the founders we have on Masters of Scale, are an immigrant, but most of the immigrant founders we have on the show came to the U.S. as children or came here for college. You came a little bit later. Can you tell us about growing up in Romania and what brought you to the United States?

So I grew up in Romania and after the communist regime came to power, things slowly start changing. They start taking property from my grandparents. My uncles, they were not allowed to own the restaurants anymore. They were taken by the government.

It was very difficult. They started cutting electricity. Food was scarce, and that was probably one of the reasons why I wanted to defect, to leave the country.

And so you were 30 when you came to the U.S.? I was 31, yes. You were 31. And how did you get here? So my husband was ship captain, and he went to American embassy, asked for political asylum, and he came to United States. And I had to wait three years. The Romanian government didn't want to give me the passport.

So you have this three year wait between your husband applying for political asylum and getting to the U.S. and you landed in Los Angeles? Yes, I landed because I told him we need to move only in Los Angeles. We were restricted. We couldn't watch movies, Hollywood movies.

Everything was black market, so we had to close the drapes and watch everything in the dark. And it was a dream. I remember watching Pretty Woman and Beverly Hills Cops, and I thought, I want to walk on that street.

So what was it like when you got here? You land at LAX and what happens? Okay. So the rule was that I could not leave with $1 in my pocket because every citizen, Romanian citizen that own any dollars will be put in jail. So I asked, can I have at least $10 that just in case my husband will not be there, I could make a phone call. They're like, no, we'll put you in jail if you have $1.

And my fear was that I will walk in the airport, Los Angeles airport, and my husband will not be there.

And I will not have a coin to make a phone call. Thankfully, he was there. And I just remember getting out of the airport in the car and I saw that bright light and the palm trees. The Los Angeles light. The Los Angeles light. Yeah. Yeah. Was magical, but scary in the same time. Tell me about the scary part. Oh, my God. Everything was scary.

The first thing that I wanted to see was a supermarket. I started walking on those streets.

endless aisles. And I was thinking, oh my God, we didn't have, I mean, people will be in line for one chicken from 12 o'clock at night until the next day at three o'clock. And sometimes some of them, they will still not be able to leave with anything. So I thought, oh my God, the abundance. Right. You go from literal bread lines to lines of bread. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

You've got culture shock, you have... Everything. It was a shock. Everything. So what do you do then? So I found out from the church that was close to the apartment that they had English classes for immigrants. So I went and I started taking those classes.

And my husband worked as a taxi driver. He met a Romanian gentleman and his wife was an aesthetician. And when we met, she said, I'm pregnant and I have to take three months off. And I would love to introduce you to the owner. You could work in my place. And then when I am back...

You have to leave. So for her, it was a good arrangement because she didn't want the owner to hire somebody and she could lose her job. Did you have a background in beauty at that point? So while my husband came, he saw that Eastern Bloc women, they all were estheticians. So he suggested I should go and get my license in Romania. So while I was waiting for my passport, I went to beauty school there.

I worked there for two years and I was kind of surprised that nobody in Hollywood paid attention to eyebrows. And of course, in Romania, we didn't have disposable cameras. I bought a disposable camera and we start taking picture of people.

of us, family. And I realized that I look surprised in the picture because my eyebrow was pencil thin and round. So the shape of my eyebrows wasn't correct. And I remember my art teacher talking about how to draw a portrait and change an emotion and using golden ratio.

So let me pause you there because I'm not sure that all of our audience is familiar with the golden ratio. Could you explain the golden ratio for us? So golden ratio, it's a mathematical formula that is found in nature, plants, and everything that surrounds us. So it's a proportion that the human eye is encoded to recognize nature.

Because creates balance and proportion with everything. So the proportion is 1.618. That creates a harmony. And as you are seeing your own face in these photos from the disposable camera and looking at your clients, you're realizing the golden ratio needs to be applied to the brows. Yeah. What did you do with this realization?

So I started, I wanted to fix my own eyebrows. And once I did that, my clients used to come and say, wow, you look different. You look rested. What did you do? And I, of course, I started sharing with them my discovery and I started shaping their eyebrows.

And I went to the owner and I said, look, I think we should do this as a service. And they said, well, we cannot charge more than $10 because it wasn't a service. And it didn't make business sense for them. It didn't scale. Which didn't scale. But I really believed in it.

And one Sunday, I told my husband, "I'm going to open my own business." So this was two years after I came to America. I said, "Well, look, I came here to do something. I have to do this." This is why we came here. Otherwise, we could stay in Romania or we'll go back. If I will not be able to make it, we'll go back anyway.

So I looked in a newspaper and I said, I'm going to rent a room in a salon only in Beverly Hills. Nothing to lose and everything to gain. So the boldness of the vision, the I'm going to do this, I know it doesn't scale yet, but I see the opportunity, I can feel it. I'm going to rent a room is a real leap of faith. Yes, absolutely. And this was the only country that will allow me to do that. So in the course of...

most of the 90s then yes you go from one room rented in someone else's salon to oprah oh yeah that was so how how do you go from renting renting a room and and just starting to working with the biggest most famous talent in the world

That's a very good question. So the moment I rented the room, which was scary in a way, what I wanted to do was to master my skill.

I cannot tell you how many free eyebrows I've done at the beginning of my career. Every shampoo girl, every hairstylist, every makeup artist, everybody, because I want them to believe in my skills and talk to their clients, send me their clients. If they were happy and was important for me that they will be happy, they will send me their clients.

Soon, Anastasia was working with some of the biggest names in Hollywood. Didn't take long for women's magazines to take notice of this new beauty trend. She says that Allure magazine was the first to call her in the early 1990s. They asked me if they could write about the best-kept secret in Hollywood and use a celebrity client. So I asked them,

Michelle Pfeiffer, I called Michelle and I said, can I use your name? It's like, oh, of course, of course. And at that time, remember, people didn't talk about facials or bikini, Brazilian bikini. And I thought, I'm going to talk about the eyebrows because eyebrows is something that it's a walking advertising. Everybody could see it.

and everybody's happy to talk about. And what it sounds like is you built really a hand-by-hand, person-by-person, an incredibly devoted clientele to the point where within just a few years,

I mean, I don't know that our younger audience members know that Michelle Pfeiffer in the early mid-90s was, you know, I mean, as biggest stars existed. The biggest star that existed is true. Yeah. This is not a small thing. Not only can you call her, but she's going to say yes to being with you in Allure magazine. I have to say that my clients were the biggest supporter ever.

They were the most wonderful people that helped me to learn the language better. If I had a question, hey, I don't know how to write a check. How should I do it? Where should I like? Okay, we'll help you. Yeah. No, I have a photograph in my home that I love. It's a sign and it reads something like the words I love you are indeed beautiful and powerful, but there are no more important three words in the English language than can I help you.

And that spirit of wanting to help is so deeply powerful. And I learned from them that you have to ask. Still ahead, how Anastasia's daughter helped her company reach new heights as an early adopter of Instagram.

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They said, "Well, Oprah wants to get her eyebrows done by Anastasia live." And it was kind of scary because to do live her eyebrows and doing live in front of a camera is very difficult. So of course I said yes. I went there and it was very powerful. Oprah had always been central to Anastasia's idea of success in America.

And remember, I came in this country and we had only one TV and my husband used to watch Lakers and all the news. And I said, I want to watch only one show, this three o'clock show, this woman called Oprah.

And he's like, but you don't understand English. Like, why do you want? And it's like, I don't know. But I feel like I want to watch this show. This is the deal. You could watch all day long, all day night. I need to watch at 3 o'clock.

I need to understand how she asked questions because one day I'm going to be on her show. You saw it. I saw it. I put it in the universe. So when I went and I did her eyebrows was, oh my God, I couldn't, I wanted to cry. I wanted to jump. I don't even remember what, you know what I mean? It was one of the most powerful woman on the planet ever.

The most influential woman and her power and her energy, her aura was so powerful. What is the Oprah effect? What happens after you're on the show? The phone will not stop ringing. It changes everything. And so there's one direction to go in building this business where you could

be franchising and launching Anastasia Browse all across America and what have you. There's another where you start launching consumer products. Which direction did you go? So I start

I actually, I work on both. I used to do master classes and teach people, esthetician, how to do eyebrows. And it was very difficult because they will get the certificate, they will put it in their salon. And then if they will have a client that wasn't happy, they peel off half of their eyebrows, they will call my salon because it was my name there. You've certified them. Yes. Yeah.

So to keep the quality was very difficult. But every face is different. Completely. And so the judgment of the person who's providing the service comes into play in a way it just doesn't in other kinds of businesses. Absolutely. Absolutely. So when I start doing eyebrows, I used to mix some Vaseline with aloe vera and eyeshadow to fill in the eyebrows to create that perfect shape. And the client will come back and say, well, I

I know my eyebrow looks amazing when I leave, but after I take a shower, I need that product. So that was the reason why I wanted to create products. So it was an authentic, a normal thing for my business to do.

because I had such a long list of celebrity, Nordstrom invited me to launch the product there. And that was the perfect moment for me to launch the brow studios. Because in 2001, I launched in Nordstrom's. Women were not very familiar with filling their eyebrows with powder or pomade. So they needed to be educated. So powder.

partnering with Nordstrom was the best thing. We opened brow studios, aesthetician. I had at that time a team of field team that will go and will train the girls and myself. Every weekend I used to travel in different cities and train the aestheticians. Did you need to raise money to be in the consumer products or were able to use the Nordstrom deal to fund the consumer products?

In 1990, nobody wanted to invest in something called eyebrows product. So I had to work nonstop doing eyebrows in the salon. I had a part-time job flipping houses. So I would buy a house, fix it, and after two years, I would sell it, and those money I would put in the company again. So it was quite...

And going to Nordstrom's, it really helped me to have a different perspective

way of doing the business. I mean, they were great partners. Even today, they are still amazing. And they helped me to build that service business. Right. And the service business marketed the products as well. Of course. Yeah, of course. It's a virtuous cycle. Absolutely. It's perfect. In that 2000 to 2010, 11, 12 range, sort of the consumer internet is starting to explode. But

But finally, Instagram arrives and changes how beauty and beauty products are marketed. How did you grow the business in that phase before we got to the explosion of beauty on social media?

I used to be on every single show, TV show that I could think about it. Because if you think about it, all the TV anchor, they wanted their eyebrow beautiful. So they used to come to the salon, producers and everybody. So my deal was, okay, I will do your eyebrow, but I want to be on the show to talk about my products.

So that was very important. Plus, when I used to travel Sundays and Mondays around the country, before I would go at Nordstrom's, I would go on TV, networking in that specific area. Right. If you're going to the Nordstrom Cincinnati, you're going to hit Chicago or Chicago.

So, plus all the beauty editors. So I did everything possible the old way. Well, there's no question hard work has been a core part of your story. And then this cheat code arrives in the form of Instagram when it comes to beauty.

So a lot of businesses that were established in the 90s and early 2000s were not able to take advantage of the opportunities. They just they didn't see it. They weren't nimble enough. They weren't entrepreneurial or opportunistic enough.

And a lot of companies that reach scale, right, and have a founder who've done things one way for a long time, they miss it. And that's where insurgents come and take over. But you caught that wave. You took that wave. So what happened that let you do that? How did that happen?

So, my daughter started working with me. Saturday night, we will take our carry-on and we'll fly to different cities to promote the product. I used to shave the eyebrows and I would recommend the color and the products and she used to tell them how to use them.

So after a while, she said, Mom, I work seven days a week. I'm only 18. I was like, is this app? We should have our products there. We should talk about them. We should post. We should do videos. And I said, Claudia, I don't like Facebook. I don't care how many coffees people will get. Like, no, no, no, this is not Facebook. This is a different type of social media. I'm like, okay, let's give it a try.

So we posted one video and it was incredible. It was a brow, our brow whiz that is one of our most popular pencil, mechanical pencil.

And, of course, we read every single comment and was one comment that said, oh, I wish I would have that pencil. I could buy that pencil. And I answer, I said, can you please send me your address? I would love to gift you one. And she said, oh, no, you can't because I live in a small little town or village in India.

When I read that, I thought, wow, this is something to pay attention to. I will never be able to reach a person in a small village in India. Yeah.

So I sat down with Claudia, like, let's hire some younger kids and let's really do this. So we were 24-7 with the Instagram posting. And you caught the next wave of what we now call influencers, right? Whether it's Kardashians or what have you who were native to that platform and so powerful on that platform. And so you built the business.

Quite impressively. I mean, this has become a very big business to the point where you took on private equity money. Yes. Can you tell us about the decision to take a private equity investment? Well, in 2018, we were unstoppable. It was incredible. How big was the business in 2018, give or take? The business was $320 million in sales.

And with an incredible margin, incredible margin. And you had not taken outside investment up to this point? No, no, I own 100% of the business. To be honest with you, I didn't even know how much the company was worth it. But we wanted to expand internationally.

I realized to do business internationally, it's much more difficult. And to establish every country was way difficult. And for me to do that would take me away from doing what I have to do that nobody else could do, which is marketing and the products.

And it was a decision that we wanted to take a partner to help us expand internationally. And this is how we end up a partner with TPG. Right. And they made a sizable investment in the business. Yes. How has it changed having a private equity partner in the business?

Well, I mean, they are great partners, very smart people. Unfortunately, there were some events, natural events that really hurt the business. COVID was probably the most difficult part and it was very hard. Yeah. Very hard because you couldn't touch the makeup. Stores were closed. Even when they open, you couldn't use the tester. So it was hard.

What keeps you optimistic? What keeps me optimistic? This country, I think, is a country that could always recover and always will win. I believe in America. America is a country of people that will not give up. I mean, I don't think it's another country like this. There isn't. Anastasia, I want to ask you to imagine a young woman, a young person,

comes to the U.S. much like you did with nothing and who finds a job in a salon and is starting and has your work ethic and your ambition and your values. What's your advice to her for how to begin pursuing an entrepreneurial journey where she has a chance to control her own destiny? I think the most important thing is do your homework.

First of all, what do you exactly want to do? Because there are few options that you have. You want to be a housewife? That's a CEO of a household and it's a lot of work, okay?

Do you want to have your own business to be an entrepreneur? That's a lot of work. So you need to have the support if you still have a family. So see where you are, how much time you could put into this. To be an entrepreneur never stops. The only time when you don't work is when you sleep. It's just period. And then if you...

Check all those points. Then you have to think, okay, I believe in something. You need to perfect your skill constantly. I am in this business for 32 years, okay? I constantly want to be better every day. I want to learn more. I want to be better than I was yesterday. So perfect your skill. Master your skill. That's your foundation. Then

You have to market your skill. That's another important thing. As well, you have to surround yourself with people that share your vision and they will go with you on this journey. And it's a lot of work. It's a lot of discipline, a lot of determination, but you have to love it because it's not easy.

But if you love what you do, you feel like you don't work. You have achieved so much and done so well financially and built something and have a world-class investor behind you. Many people in your position might say it's time to pass the torch. What keeps you going? I think it's the desire of being better every day and doing something that I love.

I don't see myself doing anything. I love to work. I mean, I work like I can pay my rent next month. It is very important to have a passion and to have a purpose. I don't think retiring for me, it's not going to happen. Never. I will never retire.

I always said my retirement idea is to work nine to five. That's my retirement plan. Well, let us hope you're able to get there sooner than later. In the meantime, it's a great place to wrap. Thank you so much for being on Masters of Scale. Thank you so much. I appreciate you inviting me. Thank you. Thank you.

Anastasia Soiree's scale journey is truly incredible. She landed in Los Angeles without a nickel in her pocket almost 40 years ago and built a brand synonymous with beauty around the world. It's a testament to how much hustle and heart can achieve in a country where immigrants are given a chance. I'm Jeff Berman. Thank you for listening.

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