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The Truth Behind Donald Trump’s Tariff Talk

2024/12/28
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Paul Krugman: 特朗普对关税的执着源于其对贸易的简单化理解,即贸易逆差意味着本国输给了其他国家。他可能忽视经济专家的警告,继续推行激进的贸易保护主义政策。如果对加拿大和墨西哥实施高额关税,将会迅速显现负面经济后果,例如北美制造业的严重破坏。此外,特朗普似乎没有意识到关税并非唯一的政策工具,其他国家可能会采取报复性措施。 特朗普第一任期内的关税政策规模相对较小,其对通货膨胀的影响并不显著。但其现在威胁实施的关税规模将大得多,可能引发真正的贸易战。即使我不是自由贸易纯粹主义者,也不认为特朗普的关税政策对经济有利。他的贸易政策缺乏重点,只关注贸易逆差,忽视了其他更重要的因素。 关税会影响美元汇率,美元升值和进口商品价格下降会部分抵消关税导致的进口商品价格上涨。但其他国家可能会采取报复性措施,例如提高关税或限制出口,从而抵消这种影响。历史上很少发生全面的贸易战,通常是由于国内原因而采取的单方面行动。未来贸易冲突中,其他国家可能会采取针对美国生活成本的报复措施。 拜登政府的经济遗产可能被低估,其在应对疫情和通货膨胀方面取得了成就。对拜登政府的刺激计划的必要性进行辩论,认为其部分内容并非必需,但整体上效果良好。拜登政府的产业政策,例如《芯片法案》,可能具有长期的积极影响。 对特朗普政府的财政政策持不确定态度,认为削减赤字可能需要采取不受欢迎的措施。美国可以通过提高税收来解决长期预算问题,但这在政治上可能难以实现。 Felix Hammond: (提问和引导讨论) Emily Peck: (提问和引导讨论)

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What is Paul Krugman's view on Donald Trump's approach to tariffs?

Paul Krugman believes Donald Trump has a simplistic and misguided view of trade, where he thinks selling more to another country means 'winning' and vice versa. Trump has consistently advocated for tariffs, ignoring warnings from economists and Wall Street. Krugman expects Trump to follow through on his tariff threats, which could lead to significant economic disruption, especially given the integrated nature of North American manufacturing.

Why does Paul Krugman think Trump's tariff policies could be particularly disruptive?

Krugman argues that the North American manufacturing sector is highly integrated, with components of products like cars crossing borders multiple times before final assembly. Imposing tariffs on Canada and Mexico would disrupt this supply chain, leading to catastrophic economic consequences. Additionally, other countries may retaliate with export taxes on essential goods like oil and uranium, further escalating trade tensions.

What were the effects of Trump's tariffs during his first administration?

During Trump's first term, he imposed a 20% tariff on China, which was a fraction of U.S. imports. While the impact on inflation was minimal, Krugman warns that the tariffs Trump is now proposing—25% on Canada and Mexico—are roughly ten times larger in scale. This could lead to a full-blown trade war with significant economic consequences.

How does Paul Krugman view Biden's economic legacy?

Krugman believes Biden's economic legacy will be viewed positively in the long term, comparing him to Harry Truman. Despite high inflation during his presidency, Krugman argues that this was a global phenomenon driven by COVID-19 supply chain disruptions. Biden's policies, including the Inflation Reduction Act and CHIPS Act, focused on climate change and industrial policy, which Krugman sees as significant achievements.

What is Paul Krugman's perspective on the relationship between politics and economics?

Krugman believes politicians should listen to economists, especially when they warn of negative outcomes. However, he acknowledges that economic policies must also consider political realities. For example, Biden maintained Trump's tariffs on China for political reasons, despite economic advice to repeal them. Krugman emphasizes the importance of balancing economic expertise with political pragmatism.

What does Paul Krugman think about the future of U.S. fiscal policy under Trump?

Krugman is uncertain about the direction of U.S. fiscal policy under Trump, especially given conflicting statements from Trump's team about slashing the deficit. He notes that significant fiscal changes would require cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid, which would be highly unpopular. Krugman suggests that the U.S. needs to increase revenue, but he doubts this will happen under Trump.

What is Paul Krugman's take on the use of cryptocurrency?

Krugman argues that cryptocurrency has no legitimate use cases but is widely used for illegal activities like money laundering and ransom payments. He highlights the inefficiency of moving large sums of physical cash, as seen in the case of Assad transferring $250 million in cash to Russia, which weighed two tons. Cryptocurrency, by contrast, allows for the movement of funds without physical weight.

What does Paul Krugman think about the Biden administration's industrial policy?

Krugman believes Biden's industrial policy, including the CHIPS Act and Inflation Reduction Act, could have a lasting positive impact. He sees these policies as creating durable economic changes that even a Republican administration might find difficult to undo. For example, subsidies for green energy projects have gained support from Republican lawmakers whose districts benefit from them.

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This chapter analyzes Donald Trump's unpredictable approach to trade policy, his history of imposing tariffs, and the potential consequences of his future actions. Experts discuss the integration of the North American manufacturing sector and the potential for a trade war.
  • Trump's belief that trade surpluses indicate victory and deficits indicate loss
  • Potential for 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico
  • Close integration of North American manufacturing sector makes tariffs disruptive
  • Trump's lack of awareness of policy tools beyond tariffs

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This week: Paul Krugman may have ended his iconic New York Times column but he’s still going to tell us what’s going on. Felix Salmon) and Emily Peck) are joined by Paul Krugman) to get wonky on global trade, discuss the relationship between politicians and economists, and examine the economic legacy of Joe Biden.

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