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cover of episode The battle for LA: How Donald Trump's Californian crackdown could define his presidency

The battle for LA: How Donald Trump's Californian crackdown could define his presidency

2025/6/13
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Roland Ollipant: 洛杉矶因移民突袭引发了抗议和骚乱,局势混乱。川普总统无视加州州长,派遣国民警卫队和海军陆战队,引发了政治斗争。川普认为没有军队,洛杉矶将变成犯罪现场。这场冲突是对总统权力和州权的考验,可能对军事力量的使用产生宪法影响。这也代表了美国国内在非法移民问题上的对立。 Gavin Newsom: 川普未经咨询加州执法部门,非法调动国民警卫队,加剧了局势。川普滥用权力,在洛杉矶进行军事搜捕,逮捕普通劳动者。川普的行为是软弱的表现,并威胁民主。 Susie Coen: 过去几天,洛杉矶市中心附近发生了混乱的场景,示威活动中有人向警车扔石头,警察发射闪光弹和橡皮子弹。局势紧张,每天都有冲突,而且似乎没有结束的迹象。抗议活动既有和平示威,也有暴力骚乱。大部分人是和平抗议者,但也有人故意制造麻烦,导致局势紧张。晚上或抗议活动结束时,暴力行为会更加突出,局势更加不安全。人们普遍不赞成暴力,但理解人们对创伤事件的不同反应。抗议者主要是西班牙裔社区,包括第一代和第二代移民。许多抗议者担心自己或家人的身份问题,因为他们可能是无证移民。有人认为白宫可能故意挑起冲突,因为洛杉矶是一个庇护城市,并且川普与纽森之间存在冲突。川普希望局势升级,以便援引《叛乱法案》,加强联邦政府的权力。未来的发展取决于局势的演变,以及川普是否会将国民警卫队派往其他城市。如果局势升级,川普可能会宣布《叛乱法案》,导致局势更加紧张。 Protester 1: 我想为移民的权利而战,特别是反对最近增加的移民局突袭。 Protester 2: 我想确保我们的城市对所有人都是安全的,因为我的家人也经历过类似的处境。移民局在法院带走父母,将人们置于不人道的境地。我们应该给那些为了更好机会来到这里的人一个机会,我们应该让他们知道我们支持他们。 Protester 3: 我对那些家庭被拆散的人们感到难过,我们必须发声帮助他们。因为他们被送走了,我们无能为力,所以我要站出来为他们发声。我要展示他们的名字,代表他们发声,希望能带来改变。

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This episode was recorded before the strikes on Iran — a major development we’ll be discussing in detail in Monday’s episode.

Los Angeles has descended into chaos. A wave of ICE immigration raids has sparked mass protests, violent clashes with police, and nights of looting, fires, and fear. Now, President Trump has overridden Governor Gavin Newsom using a little-known legal loophole to send in the National Guard — and Marines are on the way.

The move has ignited a fierce political battle between California and the White House, raising questions about federal power, state rights, and the limits of presidential authority.

The Telegraph’s U.S. correspondent Susie Coen has spent the week in LA, documenting the unrest and capturing the mood of a city on the edge. And LA author Ryan Gattis joins us to reflect on how today’s turmoil compares to the 1992 riots — and what history tells us about what comes next.

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