JD Vance
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IT became very clear, red, red, anyone paying attention several months ago that ukraine cannot win its war against russia. Ukraine military will not be able, even with western backing, hundreds of billions of dollars of IT to excel the russian military from parts of eastern ukraine. Ukraine doesn't have the industrial capacity, neither the nato or the united states, and IT doesn't have the people.

Russia, a hundred million more in population than ukraine does. And that means that further support from the west for ukrainian military only means more dead ukrainians and a further degraded western economy in the us. And in germany particularly.

So it's not simply a false errent itself destruction. It's insane. It's cruel.

It's a bedding, the killing of an entire generation of ukrainians. This is very obvious. No honest person at this point will deny IT.

And yet, somehow, the united states senate, which is always several years behind reality in its perception, just a few weeks ago, decided to spend another sixty billion dollars to the ukrainian government, which is both corrupt and authoritarian council elections. They banned an entire Christian domination, and then they killed an american journalist for noting any of this. And yet the united states senate proposed, under misa connel, a plan to send another sixty billion dollars to ukraine.

Imagine the surprise, all right, people around the world to wake up this morning and discover this could actually happen. And so with that in mind, we thought we were talking to one of the very few republican centers whose bothered to make the counter case. That would be J.

D. Vance of ohio, who joins us now from the united states center. Thanks so much for coming on. If you didn't mind telling us where this legislation is right now, what you expect to happen and what you think should .

happen yeah like. So there are two big things that will happen here. So tonight we will clear a major procedural vote or we won't.

So this is really the best opportunity tonight to kill this legislation. Encourage everybody to do everything that they can, contact everyone they can, to ensure that we actually do kill the legislation. IT is a very close.

The democrats have banded together with seventeen republicans. We only need eight of those republicans flip their vote to kill this thing. And I think that we'll get at least one who will, in fact, flip their votes. So that's where IT sits in the senate. The second thing, and Frankly, the best opportunity we have to kill this is in the house.

Uh, and that's part of what i'm trying to do is notify people about how bad this legislation is so that after IT clears the city, if IT does, then IT goes to the house and the house has a real opportunity to at least make a Better but hopefully kill IT. And and I want to say just just a couple of things here, tuck her, that are extremely important to know about this legislation. Number one is that that since sixty one billion dollars, ukraine to fund, as you said, a hopeless war in eastern europe, that will make the ukraine an population even more than authority been designated.

So it's a terrible, terrible piece of legislation on the policy. The second thing I want to say, talker, though, is that IT doesn't just fund ukraine in twenty twenty four. And this is the most important point.

IT actually funds ukraine in twenty five and twenty six. Now what's the problem with that? Say, for example, that we have a new president in twenty twenty five, that president would be handcuff ed by the promises that we are making in lot ukraine today.

If you go back to to twenty nine tucker, to start to give you a sense of why this matters, in twenty nine, the U. S. House impeached then president Donald trump on the theory that they appropriated money to ukraine.

In Donald trump refused to send IT to ukraine. So if trump is elected president again and become president on january twenty twenty five, he will conduct diplomacy. Y and effect. Diplomacy does not include sending additional billions to ukraine. There is a theoretical argument of predicate, if you will, for in peaching Donald trump, because they have tried to tie his hands.

And the final point on make on this, tucker, is that the washington post has r is already said, based on leaks from inside the intel community, the purpose of this legislation is to tie a future president trump s hands. We're not just sending billions to ukraine in twenty twenty four. We're trying to make IT impossible for the next president to conduct diplomacy on his terms. Its anti democratic and IT will lead to endless war in the all over the world.

So the political calculation behind this seems incredibly dark. So does the humAnitarian, an effect. I noticed that no one on capital hill seems interested in finding out how many have died in this war.

Reliable estimates in the area, these are not partisan, are that about four hundred thousand ukraine to do that. About as many americans died in the entire second war, over the entire ural and IT. Of course, a much more our country.

So how do senators, republican senators, get away with saying we're doing this behalf of ukrainian people, on behalf of democracy? What is destroying in the entire generation and the sound of democracy? What's the thinking here?

Well, tucker, they bought into the propaganda that what is in the best interest of ukraine is to prolonged war. And so the linski comes to washington. He's tougher than a lot of them all. And I think they get know A A A little bit of excitement from that. And the linsley tells them a story that his war is in the best interest of the whole of uka.

Now never mind that there are people with the ukraine protesting the draft, never mind that the average of a soldier there is pushing forty five years old, and never mind that the six hundred and fifty thousand worthiest ukrainians left the country at the beginning of the war. They didn't stay in fight. So the idea that this is unanimously supported by the ukrainian population is, of course, protesters and absurd.

No one believes IT. But but here's here's the really crazy, and I think ultimately the very cynical thing that's going on, tucker, is that everyone knows that this war will lead to the production of ukraine. I had conversations with democratic colleagues where they get this sort of dark look in their eyes, and they say, effectively, that they want to fight russia to the last ukrainian drop of blood.

I think if you really ask these guys, they recognize that this is not in the best interest of ukraine. This is fundamental in the interests of military contractors and people who think that america's most pressing chAllenge is to defeat the russians. Of course, that's not a preoccupation that I share. I don't think russia should have invaded tucker, but I also think that we gotta be much more focused on more pressing problems like the demographer collapse of the united states, like the open borders and like what's going on these stages. So it's a massive campaign, tucker, to distract people from the real problems in the world and the real problems that exist in this country.

And underlying at all, you just said this is an impose that that's indefensible and I think deeply in more so so grateful for you having the courage to talk about this in public. And I and I hope common sense in your position prevails. Senor g, advance of ohio.

Thank you.