Rep. Thomas Massie: Israel Lobbyists, the Cowards in Congress, and Living off the Grid
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Here's the latest, you know, James carvel, yes. So he got stuck at a roast one time when we worked together in morons and had the league and was on sea band in on the table. I have seen his sit and his kind suffer in the seat. Obviously takes his water picture off the table and source six weeks the world 就是。 So what what is that thing moving on your lapel, on your pocket .

if the debt is my anxiety generator?

So it's actually making me really anxious. Is that real time?

yes. So IT sink to treasury. IT gets the debt to the penny once a day, and then IT looks at what the debt was a year ago. And IT comes up with a rolling average debt per second. And IT interpreted on weekends and holidays when when the treasures is not paying attention.

I am so I think you're the only one who wants to know.

Yes, and I want my colleagues to know. And it's great to wear this thing in an elevator with like adam shift. And he's got to nowhere to look. I once caught of a female congress woman staring at IT and had to tell her my eyes were up here SHE ask me why I didn't make a belt buckle out of IT.

Can you say what was because I like?

No, I can not.

She's funny. That's some very impressed sive. So what's the message of IT?

The message is this is urgent. It's it's hard to comprehend fourteen digits of debt, but when you see the last five digits are moving so fast, you can, you know, perceive them with your eyes, then you can understand, wow, we are problem here. I mean, it's a hundred thousand dollars a second, roughly.

So imagine we had this catapult. We were launching a cyber trucks once a second into the ocean. That's how much debt we're taking on continuously. Now there is some good news.

I noticed last month IT went down and i'm like, is my death clock broken? Why is IT going down? And I realize how it's April fifteenth.

Everybody's paying their taxes. So the good news is we baLanced IT for a month. The bad news is April fifteen s is the only reason that happened and how the debt going back up again.

So maybe IT, when do you get so big? IT becomes something that you have to ignore. It's almost like if you fall off the wagon from drinking, you give me.

If you fall off your news diet, you just eat the pizza and a right and and you it's like, why do you care? Sort go crazy. And IT feels like we're there. I am trying .

to make people feel very uncomfortable. I wear this on the floor of the house. Yeah and people literally the the oread the button that says A R A, i've argued we should release l the voting button, spend and don't spend.

They're red and Green if you've got that foreign can't read. I say it's like stop and go, but i've seen people press the spend button and then turn around, look at my debt bag. Yes, did I just go up? But I want them to realize their consequences to what they're doing because they have been I think as you said.

just ignore ing IT putting IT off to the almost els like it's so big that why even deal with IT? That's where we are.

What kind of I think a lot of lawmakers are empathetic. You're like, well, we can't fix IT. We're not going to fix IT. We might as well indulgently. Now i'll see what I can get exactly.

So where does IT .

end right now? We are able to finance IT because the world's reserve currency, right? And when we print more money, which we're doing all the time the fed is doing that, we are actually taxing the world.

Everybody in the world who holds dollars gets like a three present transaction fee. I say we're kind of like the credit card at the gas station that gets three percent because you're using that credit card. Will we get three percent from inflation we cause because the world is using our currency and we can do that as long as they use our currency.

But I think it's going to end at some point. They are going to quit using our dollars as reserve currency. I mean, I watched your interview with putin and one of the things you know, whether you hate him or not, uh, one of the things he said that is true is when we sanctioned him, before we sanctioned russia, seventy percent of their transactions were in us.

dollars. And after the sanctions, it's less than twenty percent of their transactions are in U. S. dollars. So what we're doing with all these sanctions, ironically, we're shooting ourselves in the foot every time we sanction a country and say you can't use our currency to have a transaction where we're way our ability to charge them three percent for that transaction because when we print three percent more dollars, we're just taking that money.

And we're also sending a really clear signal, which is the dollars not safe for you, right? That is the reserve currency because it's a safe having because it's a stable country, is the most stable country in the world. And we're not going to weaponize the dollar because that would be shooting ourselves. But suddenly we are and they'll .

tolerate like three percent because we are not back by dollars were back by aircraft Carriers right now. So they're sort to tolerate that three percent. But one of the things we recently did in congress, we passed something called the repeal act, where we said we're just going to seize all of russia sovecon assets in the united states.

What turns out a lot of that is treasury dead that we've agreed to buy so that they can hold dollars. And um here's here's the problem with that. When people see that we've seize their money, that they gave us an exchange for these treasury notes, then other countries want to want to buy our debt is already happening.

And the Price of A A long term bond that the treasury puts out ago, it's already gone above four percent. It's like over four and a half percent. They don't want to buy them anymore because know we probably wouldn't seize great britain's assets, but I could see a seizing china's assets.

Why would I mean, that seems like that just like take the countries asset, something that belongs to the people of the country.

right? As such as putin IT. Is that like it's immoral? But even if you're OK with the immorality or immorality of IT, it's short sided because eventually will catch up with this.

So do any of the dumbs you work with understand that? Did you say way to second, if we do this first was wrong and if we're going to be a beacon of light and order and justice in the world, we should abide by those principles. But even if you don't care about, even if, as you said, you're a moral like it's soft feat to do this, do they understand that .

some of them understand IT, but IT doesn't matter. They'll still vote for something like to reo act anyway because it's popular and with .

whom with voters they think.

yeah take rushes money like, you know let's take that yeah i'd be great. Let's take their money and use IT and war against them. IT kind of feels good. But the problem is it's not moral in the long run.

and IT won't work in the long run, even if you war with russia.

What's interesting is we were in afghanistan, and I was tracking this. I talked to the special inspector general, john sop. co.

About twice a year about the money that was being waste in in afghanistan. IT was about fifty billion dollars a year, and he was glad to see us get out of afghanistan. But kind of like fathering the clutch and shifting gears.

We just went from second gear, the third gear, because as soon as we quit spending fifty billion dollars year in afghanistan, we started spending more than fifty billion dollars year in ukraine. There's a military industrial complex that called the defense industrial base. Now in the united states, they say we have to.

They're hungry, and we got to keep him fed. And since we don't have any of our own wars and we don't have a reason to deplete our stocks and our bombs and weapons that we have engage in these other things to keep them healthy and throwing. In fact, the bite administration even made that argument in a letter to congress for why we should do this supplemental foreign e to israel, to ukraine, to taiwan.

They made the argument that the defense industrial base needs to be strong, and so we need to spend this money. And they gave a list of all the states in the united states that would benefit hit from this spending. And that's why they said we should do IT.

But if you're if, I mean, look, everyone who lives here wants to proud of the country. I always have been, and I am proud of its people still. But if your main export is death, you know that, I mean, what? IT doesn't work .

in the long way. And of me.

there is a blow back. wrong.

We're engendering a lot of ill wheel. Look, ten years ago, even more recently than that. The only way we, if you get to the space station was on a russian rocket, right? And we know we had a collaboration with them.

We were able to get to space that way. And um now we don't. I mean it's and the bad thing that you know like in the middle east, israel is creating tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who are gonna hate the united states. They are ongoing to hate israel also. But because we're giving israel the weapons to do what they're doing, we're creating a lot of people who hate us in this country.

But we're told that is essential to our national security to do that. Do you have that?

No, I don't see that. I mean, one one of the reasons, like I said, the biden letters said, well, we need to keep our industrial, be strong. So let's fd all these weapons and send dom over put. I don't see how it's strengthening our country. In fact, we're getting weaker by doing IT.

So you've been um I think the loan republican to dissent from a lot of these votes. Can you votes have there's been on this question and where if you voted on them.

I ve tried to keep track. There were something like eighteen votes on ukraine, and I voted against everyone of them since, like twenty fourteen, when we started saber rattling, we do these non binding resolutions where reas, you know, rushes ever you where as we support democracy. Now, even then, we knew that ukraine de was just corrupt as hell. But you know.

I the most corrupt country in europe by far. Yeah.

so I started. You know, there have been sixteen or twenty votes on ukraine. I've been against all of those just in the last seven months.

There have been probably thirty votes on israel. In the middle is thirty thirty. There were somebody .

many votes on the was born during .

that time or maybe maybe four show votes that you know where we know they're going nowhere in the senate, but we haven't named through the post offices in last month. We voted like fifteen or sixteen times on issues related to israel. And you i've been hit because i've voted no on all of why .

do you because you hate israel or another reason .

no because i'm against up sending our money overseas. I'm against starting another proxy war. I'm against sanctions because it's going to weaken the dollar. Um i'm for free speech like all of these resolutions run a flow of those things and that's why I can't vote .

for them tells us the free speech part of IT.

So recently, they brought a bill to congress and this was actually a binding bill, not a nonbinding resolution like this was going to have the effect of law. And people would get, you know, prosecuted if they engaged in anti I cemeteries m on campuses. And the problem with this bill is to use some international definition of anti cna tis m on a website somewhere. My first question is, when did you just put the definition in the bill? Why are you pointing to somebody's U R L in a piece of legislation?

You are the congress right.

right place. We should be stead or refreshing a website. Some is not even you hosted in the united states and but so I went to this website and it's got a you fairly short definition, but it's also got examples of things that would be considered anti semitism.

And some of these are actually passages in the new testament, if you will, would be banned by this international definition of anti semitism for instance saying that uh, jews killed jesus, which is you in the bible he he was not welcome among his own people okay um and so that would be anti semitism. And if you engaged in that on campus or just offered that as a thought, let's say, in a classroom, you would be anti symmetry and you would run a file of the department of education in some federal laws. You know, there were other examples in there that were hard to believe. For instance, comparing the policies of israel to the nazi regime would be antisemitic.

But the question is, what if? What if their policies ever became the same? Is this is static definition.

or what if we dissolve different opinions? And europe ion is now a crime.

right? I mean.

even if it's hore, even if it's .

wrong and stupid, yeah it's still legal IT should be you may have .

come to the obvious ous conclusion that the real debate is not between republican and democrat or socialist and capitalist right left. The real battles twen people who are lying on purpose and people who are trying to tell you the truth. It's between good and evil.

It's between honesty and fault. Od, and we hope we are on the former side. That's why we created this network, a tucker carlson network, and we invite you to subscribe to IT. You go to tucker carlsson dock com slash podcast, our entire archive is there a lot of behind the scenes footage of what actually happens in this born when only an iphone is running tucker carson duck com slash podcast you will not regret IT. So your colleagues, I I think I passed right oh yeah.

you passed with, uh, flying colors. But at least a few people woke up to this.

I mean, the members of congress who can go to church on sunday, you've just voted to ban the new testa on campus, make IT illegal, to quote from the new testament, the Christian bible, like how do they square that?

I think their voters let them get away with IT. They mean they don't have to square unless they are.

But why would they want to do something like that?

Because there's a lot of pressure in congress to vote for these things. And our republican leadership, things things are so smart, we're in an election year and they want to bring up issues. They want to put them up in front of congress and makes s vote on them, whether they're going where in the senate or not.

And they want to split the democrats. They want to show that republicans are united and then split the democrats. That's one of the reasons they do IT. Another reasons they do IT is there is a foreign interest group called APEC that, you know, got the year of this current speaker and demanded sixteen votes in April on on israel in the middle st. We haven't had sixteen votes in April on the united states in congress.

So what's APEC?

APEC is the american israel public affairs committee. And they didn't start out as a pack in in the sense of a political action committee, but now they have a political action committee. Ostensibly it's a group of americans who lobby on behalf of israel there for anything israel um and their very effective lobbying group.

They get in there. They they try to get me to write a White paper as a candidate, for instance, for congress. They almost get on on what on israel like.

And I wouldn't do IT in the supply. And i'm like, I don't do homework for lobbies, right? I'm like, I didn't I didn't like writing term paper, said colleague jem, not writing one for you.

What did they say? They say.

oh, we will hear just copy ran paul's term paper and put your name on IT will accept that and like, no, i'm still not creating somebody else's homework to do homework. I'm not turning in my homework for you and. I think you are laughing, but you know what I bet and maybe the only republican in congress, he hasn't done homework for APEC and is what IT is.

It's conditioning. They want you to do something very simple in benni. And you know for them, they don't really they don't really grade your term paper. They just want to know that you'll do something for them. And if you'll do something for them as a candidate, you're more likely to do something for them as as a congresswoman when you get in there. So this my rift started out join twelve when I refused to turn in.

Um well, they kind of got in my race a little too late there in the beginning and because I was hard to tell that I was actually gone to win and when they saw I was gna win, that's when they try to get me to do the term paper. Um they didn't have a political action committee at the time. They couldn't spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars against me at that time. IT was just sort of like a whisper campaign to try to, hey, don't vote for him a book. Why um because at that point, they since I wouldn't do what they wanted.

but what they whisper against you, what were they .

think about you? Well, they would do IT through, for instance, churches, even changed churches. Theyve got an organization called Christians for israel with the sort of coal ted even jelles um people think it's a grass roots movement in kabuki.

It's actually a top down movement from APEC so that people who aren't even jewish will feel like they've got to support israel you know no matter what and even if it's a secular state that funds abortions, they just sort of forget that part and we've got to fund israel. So they have network. So it's more than just about the money.

So you get elected um despite their efforts. And then what happens do you talk them after that?

And by way, let me just put a little foot now here. I'm not against israel. I've never voted to sanction israel.

I've never said anything particularly you know critical of israel um you know other than for instance, right now they're bombing. They've killed one percent of the civilian population in gaza that's concerning to me. But um so what do they do now?

Yeah you get elected two thousand and twelve you .

hear from them again I vote my conscience um which they won't tolerate. So they ran with their five, one, three, four before they had a super pack. They were running educational advocacy ads against me saying that you know, about on israel.

They didn't say don't vote for and they just said he's he's a bad guy and so I said, are, well, you're not welcome in my office anymore because for years I I invited him in to my office let's talk this through let me explain to you. I'm a libertarian leaning republican. I don't vote for foreign e for anybody.

So don't be offended when I don't vote for your foreign ae. I don't vote for war anywhere. So don't be offended if I do that for free speech, even if it's abhorrent. And you know, we used to talk, but now they banned for my office situation from bad to worse. This election cycle, they spent four hundred thousand dollars against me, ninety thousand dollars last fall, run in TV ads in my district and facebook ads and what not trying to equate me with the squad. S and then um this most recently, in fact, as i'm speaking to you today, even though my election is over, they're still running hundreds of thousand dollars of negativity.

It's a little weird though because as you said, you're probably the only republican in the house who hasn't done homework for them and isn't on their side. Um and but and that's okay. I mean, you can have you know your a libertarian or republican from northern kentuchy.

You're probably not going to a single handle determine our foreign policy. So I think you should, but you don't and you're not going to. So why do they care when I just let Thomas macy be Thomas macy adorn the kentucky like why they need to crush you?

I don't know. I think they don't want one horse out of the mart. If one person starts speaking the truth, they're afraid that could be contagious, perhaps works like a new car.

They go to my Johnson. They say, we want to a cata scala ID with perl White paint. And here's, you know, here's the ribs we want.

And my john puts that bill on the floor. IT passes with the unanimous vote, except for one guy, vote snow. And I think they feel like it's a scratched on their car.

They wanted to bring new car, and I got scratched by this guy in macy. They were gone to drive IT over to the senate mash for unamis consent. But now the senators to say, wait, why this wasn't unanimous ous in the house? Why should we do IT unanimously in the senate? And IT starts to raising questions. And I think that's why they get mad.

What I find interesting is is not just um that they disagree with your views, which they do and I think they've ababde lute rights disagree ree with anybody else use, we all do but they've called you a bit and they call you an antisemitic and say you're a hater and try to destroy your character that seems like a very different level of response to me.

right? There's no need to do that. I'm not antisemitic. I don't have an antisemitic hair in my head. okay?

I mean, I don't like a PC anymore, like I used to be neutral tard APEC, right? But I I have no taga stic feelings toward jewish. I I am the last thing I would think i've probably the least design tobia person and congress.

I mean, these are the guys my colleagues want to sanctions everybody, you know, declare them terrorist states. You come up with these strongly worded resolutions. I don't know for that crap, right? Unless somebody does harm to me, I am not going to call them anything. So I get called names just for staying out of all of this political .

post that's disgusting isn't .

IT you know I guess .

I come character, they can can disagree their views. But to tell you, like the worst thing you can be in america, like that's disgusting .

you know I I have a fish skin and that here's a good new tck er my constituent aren't fAllen for two weeks ago. I just had a primary and got seventy six percent of the vote with APEC running hundreds of thousand dollars events. So it's it's not working against me.

I I think it's short sided up on there you know on their side to do this, so just burning money, but they're trying to make an example of mate, but they're also exposing their weakness. I think they are I think they've exposed a real weakness here. And you know used to be just me voting against some of these resolutions, but recently, where they try to ban passages in the new testament, I think we got like almost two dozen republicans are, say, way, hold on.

There is a question, is a fundamental question. So the by administration has put a bunch people in jail for violating something called fair, the foreign agent industry tion act nineteen thirty six is it's been on the books for in or ninety years um and it's never been enforced ever until recently until really the trump era and binary. So but the law requires people who lobby on behalf of foregone governments to register with that simple. And this is the largest lobby in the night, most effective lobby in the night. States on half of foreign government .

are they register with fair a.

They are not, but they should be. Well, how? How can I be? How can I put pom inform jail, which they did on a fair, a violation, and a bunch of other other people in jail on fair violations. But the largest and most effective and most feared foreign lobby working for a foreign government doesn't after registering law. That's insane.

And don't make me take their side, but i'll explain as best as I can what .

they're argued. I am mabe. I'm wrong maybe should i'm gona .

agree with you at a second, but let me at least offer what I think is their argument. They would say we are americans, you know, the members of APEC are americans and that the the right to free speech.

poor managers .

in america, yeah that so there is the good rebollo as far applies not to foreigners, foreign agents, right of foreign principles, agents of foreign .

prints of americans lobbing on behalf of reign.

react. So this is APEC is exactly what far is meant for now they would say, and we have the first moment, right? Okay, well, I I agree with you there, but we also have election laws and to the its disclosure right where they're not far.

I doesn't say you can't IT Thomas masses and england hill billi you allowed to say that if you want to put we just want to check where your money is coming from, tell us where it's coming from, what you're spending IT on and if you are lobbing on behalf of a foreign country, so they should be now, to your point, they should be registered with farah. This is what farah is, is where there's grey area. Where is an american representing a foreign country? Let's let's look and see if you're getting any money from that foreign country.

Are you a dual citizen with that foreign country? Are you being directed by? For instance, is net yahoo speaking to your group, advising you on your next move? Those are you getting money from the military industrial complex?

Like because to understand APEC, I think it's easiest to model them as a military, an industrial lobby. Like their biggest thing is they want more equipment, more military equipment from the united states going to israeli. In fact, when they used to be allowed in my office, the thing, the argument they would make is we're just stimulating the U.

S. Military industrial complex. Because every single penny of the three point eight billion that they nominally get IT either getting way more in net, but that israel Normally gets goes to U.

S. Military contractors. Now they didn't make me warm fuzzy, okay, but that is their argument. And if you notice what they advocate for, I think sometimes they advocate for things that even israeli is wouldn't advocate for, I believe, like they would, I think, be OK with a war with a rain, like I all out, you know, pocalypse war with a rain. Whether there are people in israel, space will hold on a second.

We'd rather not have a war with a rent, but APEC does things that lead us in that direction. And so they're kind of like what the ra is to gunn owners APEC is to israel, or what the farm euro is to farmers APEC is to israel in other presence of action, right they represent a faction, but usually a corporate faction that um and they're using the improved tor of grassroots that they've deluded or confused into bullying in congressman and the nra does that and farming euro does that. I'm picking on some know other right wing groups here.

For sure. And by the way, and I think there are probably a lot of things that APEC is more than i'm form and farm buu. Na, same thing, right? It's I just the idea of a foreign government playing in our political campaigns openly.

openly in that, uh, they're showing you they're doing IT but open in that you can track IT because they're not register. Is is there .

any other republican who has your views on this?

I have republicans who come to me on the floor and say, I wish I could vote with you today. Yours is the right vote, but I would just take too much flag back home. And I have republicans who come to me and say, that's wrong. What APEC is doing to you? Let me talk to my APEC person, where everybody about me has an APEC person like .

that mean an APEC person.

It's like your baby set your APEC baby center. You ah is always talking to you for APEC, there are probably a constituent in your district what they are you know firmly embedded in APEC. And every .

member has someone like this.

Every verb. I don't know how that works on the democrats side, but that's how IT works on the republican side. And when they and when they come to dc, you go have lunch with them and you've got your cell number and you have conversations with them. So i've had like .

that absolutely crazy.

I've had four members of congress. I'll talk to my APEC person, and that's clearly what we call with my APEC guy. I'll talk to my APEC guide. See if I give to you, dial those ads back. why?

If I never heard this before.

IT doesn't benefit anybody. Why would they want to tell their constituents that they've basically got a body system with somebody who's representing a foregone country? IT doesn't benefit the congressman for people to know that. So they're gone to tell you that .

have you seen any country do anything like this like russia? Russia obviously determines the outcome of our elections. We keep hearing that. Does anyone have a putin guy that they talk to?

Not only do they not have a putin guy, look, they don't. They don't have a britain guy. They don't have an australian guy. They don't have a germany dude like it's the only country that does this that has somebody that like uniform a guarantee.

There are some spreading ated APEC where where you know the the APEC dude is whose matched up with the congressman is there and then all the congressmen's votes on the issue, oh, has the congressman been to israel? They pay for trips for congressman in their spouses to go to israel. I may be I I not the only republican who hasn't taken the APEC trip to israel, but i'm probably one of a dozen that hasn't taken that trip. The other one just have got around to IT.

What's the trip? Like do you know .

it's kind of like, I think vacation. I you go see the wall, you go to see the you know the site, a things like that.

It's such a great I must say it's such a great country, true especially is just such a wonderful place that that's got .

to have a bigger fact. You go like swim in the dead sea.

Yes, I done that. Yeah, nap. But I would recommend IT any myself. No, I mean it's it's just funny. I mean, I am like like a legit lover of israel, of the place israel, like the people. And I love the food and like the whole thing is so great.

But that's distinct .

from the government of his roses to foreign government.

My senses, the people are a very entrepreneurs now that only they're a publicly minded you know they care about their country, that they're generally good people, right?

That's certainly been my experience in trips there for sure. It's great. It's just that I mean, I think it's probably wanted my favorite, maybe my all time favorite place to go um with my family. But that's just a completely different thing from taking order from its government, right? I mean.

right now though, again, they'll say it's these are american citizens who are you coordinating .

all he has just again, this is almost retorted question but in your ever twelve fourteen in ers in congress twelve years um have you ever seen any indication that russia is influencing election .

outcomes or candidates or members? Not in a quiet way um you know the put out statement, russia obviously has russia today. R T.

yeah. Band.

yeah. I like the kentucy fried chicken, of which i'm a big fan being from kentucky, right? They realized that fried was became sort of a majority and yeah, they want to eat fried food.

So they change the name to KFC. So you don't have to say friday, okay, russia today, change your name to R, T S. So you don't have to say russia, but there is a strong analogy there. But I mean, there are efforts, you be A A fool to think that they're not trying to influence. Thanks here.

Just like we are there, know we um what is the radio free europe and voice of amErica we have I mean, we spent a billion dollars over well over billion dollars on the foreign propaganda that's out in the open that we know about, right? So there are foreigners spending money on propaganda over here as well. I don't want to say they're not involved, but people don't say, oh, I need to go talk to my russia .

guy but you've never like in the clock room on the floor at dinner you've never heard another republican say i'd love to vote for this, but putin doesn't .

want me to .

I have never heard that. What about china?

No, there's I mean, unless it's spice sleeping with a democrat, there's some of that going on.

Yeah but that's not that not in public. So how do you think it's just interesting because you're you're clearly not a big IT that IT is very obvious and they've called you one and they've spent millions of dollars against you over the years and and has had no effect. You're get released in the primary in the seventies. So like why are they so spending against you in your state stay wide? And can you continue to serving congress while this so being well.

they say that they don't want me to run state while they're worried that i'll run from canal seat. So they're trying to send me a message. That's what they would tell you um but why .

I don't know what the message is.

Maybe a little presumption .

was to decide get really i've .

never said that i'm running for the senate, right? Yeah I pretty much disan's rested in IT personally and publicly but just in case they're running at statewide, not minding there are six congressional district sync attac and only represent one of them. They're running the ads on all six congressional districts just in case.

amazing. What do you think of mr. Marco after all these years of being the delegation with him?

He's a shrug guy. Yeah, he's quick. His a me, let me give an example of how quick he is. So we had a congressman, jane comer, who's now chair of the own community.

He got elected in a special election, which means you come in the middle the term and you have to boot up with no staff. And so it's it's kind of um you know this warning. So Michael connell had a uh had an event for Jamie commoner's first day in congress.

IT was in a town house, was like two hundred lobbies. But i'm never gonna invited to one of these. Now that I tell you, the story is so James there and my condo goes, I believe Jimmy took his first vote tonight and then .

is such a perfect timitch.

And I wasn't supposed to speak, but I interacted center of a connell who was, at the time, the majority later. And I said, yes, ca meco, he did take his first vote, and I know he has no staff, so I advise jami, when you walk into the chAmber, look at how I vote and invoke the other way and you'll be just fine. And every, you know, two hundred lobbies thought I was a pretty good joke, and they were laughing.

And is the laughter died down? Mcconnell es, while Thomas, i'm glad you and I given jammy the same advice. And then the place just the walls almost because he's good, he's funny.

So um but I think it's time for new leadership in the end. I mean, he's obviously it's way pest time. And and this is just a fact.

I'll say that i'll get in trouble for saying IT, you know, i'm in races in kentucky so we pull things in case, you know, we pull trumps popularity. We pull the senator's popularity in case they get involved in your race. And senator marconnet favorability ties are lower among republican primary voters than our democrats. Governors favorability ties serious.

Ly, yes, slow than governor.

The bushes, around forty percent among republican primary voters. And marcones.

around thirty percent. Well deserved, well deserved. So i'm glad to hear that because I like kentucky and I think it's it's photos are sensible. What do you think IT counts for in the final months and years of his public career, his public statements, that all that matters is ukraine?

But what is that? I have no idea. By the way, I have so many fights in the house, and that I have tried to avoid every fight in the senate that I can, and you, you're trying to draw me in, and I love you, and all indulge these questions.

But for twelve years, my strategy has been picked, my fights in the house. Mart, let, let rap, ul and mikey and ted creigh, you know, events at risk cott, let those guys figure out the senate because I haven't been able to fix the house. So i'm dam sure not going to be able to fix the senate.

But IT just interesting. Um okay, taking my canal out of IT and even the senate out of IT. But some of the committee chairman in the house, for example, seem like ukraine is all that matters to them.

And there's, of course, the questions you noted of donations from rocky at seta, the military industrial complex. But IT IT almost seems messianic to me IT seems heart felt to me. IT seems sincere that they think that this is all that matters, winning this war against russia. Do you have any sense of why they feel that way?

I don't. And the hardest thing to understand where people like mike Johnson, who used to be against the you sending more money to ukraine but now that he's the speaker he's like you said he seems strongly convicted that um we should be sending money there almost like it's a religious .

calling or something and that seems totally real to me IT doesn't seem fake.

I've heard the argument I think it's immoral, but i've heard the argument that, oh, this is a great deal. We just spend money and we're grinding up russia's uh, capacity to wage war, particularly lots of russians are dying. And so we're told that that's a good thing you know for since the cold war began, we've been taught that IT would be good for russia to be diminished.

But there they've go. So so far as to say russians dying to the tune of three hundred thousand casualties, they say, is just such a great thing that we need to keep this this thing going. And my answer to that is, why don't you tell us the ukrainian N N.

casualties? And I have been in classified settings with CIA of the secretary state secretary of defense, not their assistance, but those people in the room. And they are bragging about how many russians have died and been injured. And I asked them how many ukrainians have died and been injured and they claim, ed, they didn't know. I mean, that's just a flat out lie.

And they said they will get back to me and they've never gotten back to me like not only is our americans being fed propaganda about this war, congress is being fed propaganda by our state department and our secretary of defense and our intelligence agencies. And and you can just ask a few questions in this classified hearings. If nothing else, my colleagues should be convicted of a lack of curiosity like they sit there and they believe everything they're told because these are supposed to be the and they know things we don't, but you're going to expose them with two or three questions like how many ukrainean have died and they refused to answer.

Was that very same question to my john? Actually, recent.

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But i've also asked him and A A number of committee chairman and just in personal conversations, do do you believe your interest fings because only a child would believe an interest fing take IT face value. There may be truth, in there right may be largely truth, but you're being fun, you're being manipulated. And if you don't know that then you're a moron. But they seem to believe them .

they um because they have no other reference. And then here's what else happens, tucker, when you go into a classified setting like a gift, you lock up your phone, you take off your fit bit, you take every electronic device. They even make me take off my debt bad.

Yeah, I know you feel naked. I feel exposed. I do feel naked if i'm not wearing this.

I've been wearing IT for a year every day of my life, okay, but they make you the strip of every outside reference. okay? And now your staff is not allowed in that meeting either. Remember, congresses are primary roles are like raising money, being friendly, to constitute, putting on a good face, campaigning.

And then then you know once a day or maybe twice a day, we roll in their impress the vote button space on what staff advises you when when you go into a gift, you don't have your smart phones, so you're not very smart. They start using acronis that you don't know remember what the acronym stands for. You can just like, okay, what what's the I D G F B Z? I don't know, man, I must be stupid.

Like, but you know if you were in a regular setting, you just your phone out and like, oh, okay, that's what that is. I know what that is. And then you also can't ask your staff a question while you're in that setting.

We have legislative staffers who handle certain specific area. Of course, you can't bring them. And then when you go back to the office, you can tell what you heard. So it's really quite an experience. It's sort of it's a deprivation experience of any outside reference.

So it's designed to pretty stock and sounds like.

yes. And when you get in there, they really give you classified information. I say there's three levels of classification in the skift. There's facebook level, there's a twitter level and there's a new york tsl like and the new york times level, the highest level of classification. I mean, you you're get to the good stuff when they're telling you what's in the new york times that week.

Have you ever heard anything you thought was genuinely secret?

Occasionally, just a few times and obviously I can't say what that is but they slip up and commit cder occasionally in there and you're like, wow, I don't know that you know nothing like what's the area of fifty one, right? But occasionally is like.

what do people think? Is there a fifty one? By the way.

I don't know. I'm not .

passed this law, the U A P. Disclosure act of twenty twenty three then ever disclosed anything?

What is that? Not my area of expertise? Yes, don't know. But do members of congress ever say.

with a second or a cowe all branch legislative anch, we have as much powers, the president, collectively, and you can keep the stuff secret from us.

You're not like to do, but see, like, I have this inhearse all the time. They're L S, A, T after actor. This this happened just last week.

Deal book or L S maric, garlin sumpter or Christophers ray. We can ask all them this and they give you the same answer. It's long standing D, O, J policy not to comment on on ongoing investigations.

And you know what? That's fine to tell a reporter, but you can't tell the branch of government that created you that that funded you. You can't tell them that. That's why the omnibus was so disappointing to me is the only way these three letter agencies are going to come to heal is if we cut their funding in some specific area.

I've joked we could just withhold one toner cartridge for one penner at the FBI, and they would come over with a whole binder full of, but we can even bring ourselves to deprive them of a toner cartridge. So we put two hundred million dowleh for new FBI building in the animist bill and you. To their credit, jim Jordan and Jamie comer wouldn't didn't vote for that and their chairman of committees, but they are completely frustrated with the fact that the f bagger stuns or nose.

So is that the speaker who that to happen?

Oh, he absolutely allowed IT to happen.

So to what extent are members of congress committee chairman leadership controlled by blackmail?

I really don't think there's much blackmail. Like if there is, i'm not aware of that. I have people come up to me, you know, I travel around the country, texas and, you know, other states, and speak to groups, food freedom groups, you know, first, amen met second amendment groups.

And they come to me and they say, why did my congressman sell out like i'll does you? Bob was such a great guy, and I campaign for him. I made phone calls, I put up signs, and then we, bob, the congress, and he, he votes the wrong way every time.

Why is that? What do they have his kids in a basement somewhere? They have Kitty porn on him and what is IT? Why do bob go bad and and I have to look him in the eye and say, but i've just wanted to be like, yeah, like there is A A gene inside of congressman.

I think if you look for a common denominator, they they like people and they want to be liked for the most part. And if and they're likeable, if they're not likable, that is hard to get elected. okay? So this self select for likeable people, but likeable people want to be liked. And they're not surrounded by their wives and children who usually give them planning of like right when they're in dc is like, who am I going to go to dinner with tonight? Well, I want to eat food with somebody that likes me, right? So if you're not going to eat alone and you have to be liked and you generally have to be like to get elected to congress, you you a Better be like and and so it's literally it's almost like kindergarten when somebody says I won't be your friend anymore if you don't know, give me your launch. A congressmen fall for that, you know, there in the thirty, fifty fifties and they fall for that.

How do you? It's interesting. You like people i've just around you don't seem to have any real enemies in the congress.

And we think APEC hates you. They just want you to obey. But know is that part IT doesn't seem personal. You don't seem to be a personal war with anybody that might take up.

I have a mutation .

so you like people, okay? Obviously you're not some weird autists who doesn't care about the people. You like other people. I love people, I can tell and your colleagues say that, but you also don't feel like you need to fit in same time.

Like what is that? It's a mutation that chrome is liking people likability. Chrome's zone usually has another gene on IT right next to IT, which is the need to be light and i'm missing the need to be like, gene, I don't know what happened like I can go like on the cares act okay this was under president truong the eleventh day to slow the spread of fifteen right?

Um they said we're gona pass a two point two trillion dollar package and you all just stay home. It's dangerous. They will just do IT by animals consent. And IT was eleven P M.

I sitting in my living room and and they sent us this message and i'm like WTF like this is this is twice the size, the omb bill, right? This is going to cause massive inflation. Policies are going to cut shortages.

And if we don't show up to vote, we're sending at a message to all fifty states that you don't have to show up to vote in this election. So IT was like, I got to do. I got my car and I drove eight hours.

I slip one hour in a rest stop because I knew I head to be there by nine am. This was march twenty seventh, twenty twenty. Actually, the twenty fifth is the day I got to congress to stop IT, and I got there and I said it's not going by unanimous ous content.

And I was literally sleeping in my wife's S U V, eaten those h peanut butterfield pretzel. Like I had a big jog of those. good.

Yes, for my three days of nurses in in S, U, V, eaten that big top of pretzel with peanut butter in the middle, like waiting, just waiting for them to try to call IT in session and sneak this bill past. And they're like, shit mass is gonna IT. So they loaded up congressmen and airports were shut down for the most part.

There were some planes come from california, the only two passengers, and they were both congressman. So they roll them all back to congress. IT takes some two days to assemble a corum.

Because I like, they went to the parliamentarian, and they're like, is there any way around this that he's like, nope, masses, right? The constitution requires a com if one, you know, he didn't come in in as hole, but if one s hole just shows up objects and says there's no corn here so they brought every back I go to the floor um actually got a everybody was hating me. I mean, everybody do you know it's like to be in a room of four hundred and thirty four people and they're all staring at you like there.

I had maybe ten friends who were like looking at me, like doug guy is dead, like was never seen Harry Carry like this. They were worried for me, but the rest of them hated me. They would come up to me and say, i'd live with my mother. And when I go back home, you're gonna cause me to take cover a to or die and I blaming you for this and I said your face.

yeah oh yeah.

What like no IT wasn't just one was like when he was done there was a line of people I looked like stood there. They're coming to hate on me and um I was like, but what about the guy that's going to the grocery storm bag in your groceries and Carrying amount to the car as he lived with his mother too? Like what about the trucker who's out there driving and interacting with people in order to get the goods to where you need to be?

What about the nurse is going to work every single day taking care of people? Is SHE going to kill her parents? Like, where, why are you special if you're supposed to? You know, they carve the hole in the side of a mountain in west Virginia for us in the case of emergency.

Well, the sad but but realistic thing is now they don't have a place force. We're so useless, right? This is like, well, here's where we were gonna keep.

If SHE hit the fan. But now we we've there like useless. We can declare war without them in the event of a nuclear strike. So, you know, there are just a rounding air in the three branches we can Operate with. Two.

yes, I ve noticed.

So anyways, these are the kind of people who are supposed to respond in emergency, and they all wanted to stay home. They all hate to me for for recognize our constitutional duty and and trump called me three times on the floor of the house while I was getting ready to make the motion to object. And I let you go to voice smell three times in a rote, which probably not good.

But I couldn't leave the microphone because I was asking people, would you make this motion if I go to the restroom? Then I go, no no I so I um I SAT there I finally they yield a time for debate. I go off the floor and called the White house switchboard back and and I didn't have his number.

I just like if you want to or the White house, you call the number I called, right? And the intern is like, oh, this congress to maci put new three drop right now. And so he comes out because and come to you like, you've never seen, never in your life before.

Have you seen the way in which I will come at you? I'm more popular than you in k tucky. And you know, IT, i'm back in your primary point IT, and you're gna lose.

And i'm like, oh, crap, I proud I will lose. I mean, he had ninety five percent popularity among my republican electorate, who I had to face in about eight weeks in my primary. And I had a well funded opponent.

And here knows trump was mad at me. So he screamed at me for two or three minutes. I kept trying to talk and and he just screamed bloudy. Then he repeated at all.

He gets, no, this is the second time you've done something like this and they talk me out of this before, but not this time and then you got na lose any hangs up and like, the thing is like I he said he thought I was the second time I done that, like eight times since he was. You just started realizing it's the same guy. The time before that was on war with a rain.

The democrats were in the majority, and you know, he had just va. Solomon, yeah. And we were worried that he would attack mainland iran without a vote of congress. So the democrats actually, insanely, aren't. Too many antiwar democrats left, I noticed, but they realized this was a chance to make a statement. So they put a bill on the floor saying, trump y can't go to war with iran without a vote of congress, which is constitutional obvious so I had to vote for but not only one of three republicans to do IT so he would remembered that time but he didn't remember the fake obamacare repeal and some of the other things that um I was kind of the turned in the .

punch ball on did did IT change your views at all?

No um the president tweet that I was a third grand standard and this is before I got back to my seat like I go back from this maker slower to go to my seat to get ready ready to make the motion and h one of the congress was like, you Better look at your phone master look at to iter and I turned IT on he's like tweet hard and heavy against me, said I should be thrown out the party he the best one is i'm chairman in the second amendment using s so his third tweet was, he's terrible on guns so why? Where did that come from? Have you seen my Christmas card picture? right?

What's your Christmas card picture?

Uh, well, it's a little infamous.

No, i've actually seen that, but I just it's benefit of those who have not.

So you know, I got my family together for Christmas, and we got blue grass instruments out. We play music together, and we took a Christmas card picture with blue grass instruments. And I said, hey, what didn't be kindness if we just like, change these all out for machine guns and took a picture? And that was the most to stay on my phone for eternity.

But I had had a couple medical margaritas one night. I don't do medical marijuana, but I had a few medical margaritas. And I looked at that picture and I thought, well, that's pretty good picture.

Be A H if nowhere solid. I tweeted IT. And oh, I caught all kinds of hate for that.

The arctic great picture, the archives chip of canterbury condemned IT. This is the head of the church of england condemned. Go, go.

Are you going to pass .

up on a method?

good. So you can ignore him? yes. Yeah, he he's a disGrace.

So so anyways, you know, the press asked me as that we're talking about the need to be like to gene, right? If I had that I would have been devastated that day if I had needed to be like I couldn't have Carry that through. And um I walked out of that chAmber.

Everybody's hate me in the chAmber and nci plc call me and dangerous new and cna call me the most hated person in dc. John Carry, call me in an ask hall or something. Uh, and president trump called me a third great grand standard. This is all in the course of a few minutes, right? I walk out of the chAmber, the house and the reporters like swarming, you know like they do and i'm just trying to run back to the S U. V with the precise with peanut bottle and up and to get out of there and um the press said, what you have to say for yourself, your own president just called you a third rate grandstand and I pauses for a second and I said I was offended i'm at least second right so .

and what happened .

your relationship with trump um you know I think he respects people that .

stand up yes even I think correct and two .

years later he did endorse me. No way you you get along with him.

Okay.

now yeah, I mean, I did endorse run the scientist not out of spite or animosity, because we had already patched things up just because I serve with rona senate for six years. And I were really good friends. We talked about bills when he was in congress.

He, he and I fought over who was going to introduce the bill to eliminate congressional pensions and when he won, and I cosponsored IT. Now i'm the spots, or now that he's a governor, but I knew he was a good person and he thinks thinks through new smart. So I I endorsed ed him, but me know because I have, I call a natural munty. I have trump antibodies at this point they may wear off at somebody.

Do you think if you did run for, say, just putting out of a happy governor of couldn't talk, do you think throm .

put indoors you um I don't know. You probably do some polling and he was winning.

Fair, fair, totally fair. I wouldn't .

turn down an endorsement. Yeah yeah.

So it's not to are you war with anybody in the congress?

No, I get along with everybody mean and people try to use this against you know in a pack was running those ads that say I always vote with A O C um and rea to so I induced an amendment and forced to vote on eliminating the kill switch and automobile iles, it's Mandated.

Thank you. Yeah.

well, I was losing republicans on that. I was like twenty republicans, so I knew I needed some.

Just be her for the people know new in new vehicles. This has been in the case for years. They can be turned off for remotely by the authorities, which is like the most north korean thing ever to happen that yeah .

by twenty twenty six every new automobile sold has to be able to turn itself off if IT doesn't like you're driving. So i'm not like how do you appeal this conviction at the roadside, right? Maybe you swam to miss a dear, pulled over for an ambuLance and you got your kids in the car and .

it's anyone vote for something that evil? I don't understand .

because again, they know it's that i'm right, but they're worried about for instant mothers against drunk driving or they don't have the bravery. Worse.

we just let in millions of illegal alien who were allowed to drunk drive, right? And bidness told us that drunk driving is not a big deal. It's not grounds for the importing. So who mothers against ung driving, far as I know, was said nothing about this, like, who cares what they .

think I know? And but there maybe, let's say, one constituent, your district, who gets a hold up and they lost a child to drunk driving, which is terrible. And they say, you know, you don't care about me if you vote for masses amendment and you know, they make that personal phone call that congressman doesn't have the fortitude to say or knowledge to say, look, this technology can work.

I I really care about your child. I think driving is a charge and I want to fix IT, but this is a false promise and is only going to increase the Price of automobile iles and give the government more control. So i'm going to vote with massive they don't have the courage to say that.

So one story short, I lost twenty republicans. I needed some democrats so I went over to A O, C, who I get along with just fine. Don't hate me for saying that I don't um and I said, I O, C, they're running ads right now that say you always vote that always vote with you just once could you vote with me? Could you vote for my kill switch minute since the running ads the other way? And he did SHE voted to defend the automobile kill .

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So SHE ran is interesting. I mean, obviously I like her, but I think she's talented. SHE is definitely talented, but he ran as radical as someone from the outside, which is of course very sympathetic too, but he doesn't seem to actually be that person. So like, for example, on the foreign ID stuff, how often does he vote with you? I quite frequently.

but had of a funny moment in the fifteen or sixteen votes we had on israel in pro. Well, the squad and I I know this is going to be used in the next ad against me, this clip from tucker, but I was the only nose. Sometimes, sometimes most of the squad voted with me.

But I noticed aoc wasn't always there with me. So I went over to the squads on the democrat side. Little is set together.

They hang out together. Yeah they kind it's really click ish even you know the freedom caucus sits together, the a texas delegation sits together. They're different clicks.

The appropriators sit together. It's the military guys, the intel guys sit together. You know, sometimes it's by state, sometimes it's by click.

A lot of the congressional black caucus sits together. Um I can't get the second amende caucus to sit together. That's my but so I go over to there.

This is just high school cafe.

It's high school cafeteria. That's what IT is. And why would you again, they need to be liked, right? They want to sit next to people they don't like or who don't like them.

So I go over and over to the squad a few weeks ago, and I said, I told A O, C. For the squad. I said, we're gona kick you out if you don't keep voting with this more consistently.

What is he said he, he thought I was funny. I mean, he has a sense of humor. These people, humans, there are four hundred and thirty five.

I call them gold fishing in the aquarium. You have to get two hundred and eighteen of them to pass a bill. So IT doesn't benefit me to hate on any of them. Someday, you know, on some days they may vote with.

But there are also people, and if you can help, you shouldn't hate people. period.

We formed coalitions on the first, amended, on the fourth, amended on war. Sometimes like to eliminate cluster bombs, delivering bombs, even though the democrats, almost to a person, actually, to a person, want to give you ukraine more aid. Some of them are like, well, cluster bombs.

Maybe we shouldn't do that. okay? And so you can form coalition. So I try to do that when I kein.

But why aren't there anti war democrats since IT was the antiwar party for like forty years?

I don't know. And we've lost a lot of among privacy and and free speeches as well. Um I think with russia, U S, this before there's this element that I didn't answer is sort of a proxy against trump for them.

Now they in in their file holders in their brain, trump and russia in the same file folder yes, even though that's a false narrative that's been dispelled long ago, is still in the same file folder. So when they see ukraine is fighting russia, they use that as a proxy for their hate for trump. And so they're y'll vote for that.

And they did. They waved. I don't, if you saw this, they were waving ukrainian and flags after mike Johnson put the bill on the floor and every democrat voted for this was prey meditator.

Somebody had to go by know two hundred ukrainian flags and hand them out and um I filmed IT, which you're not supposed to do but you're also not supposed to waive flags of other countries on the floor, the house so i'm like, alright, i'm gonna expose this so I filmed IT and I put IT on twitter to show what like the humilation that my Johnson brought upon us by bringing the the democrat bill to the floor without. And IT was leverage to even if you're republican and your OK was sending money to ukraine, that's a leverage point. Get do something for our country and require that as a condition of doing whatever that is.

But he gave up all the average. I put that video on twitter three days later, the stargate arms tracks down one of my staffers in kentucky because we're no longer in session and says he needs to delete that video from twitter or we're going to take a fine out of his salary. Out of his congressional salary is so my staff d he knew what I was going to do.

He told me what they had just said. I said, all right, i'm retweet, did you? Oh yeah. And I got like eight million views that we were four million to eight million. And then, you know, sometimes you just got a double down and the speaker had to announced on twitter that I wouldn't be fined for that.

But there but no one was considering finding any member who waved the flag of foreign nation on the floor. The house representatives.

right? And they were taken cells of of them with their foreign flags. Two, and no, none of them got a phone call.

Only I got a phone call because I expose the humiliation. IT wasn't just a humiliation of those of us in congress. IT was the humiliation of our country.

I mean, it's one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and they got everything they wanted for them. And the democrats are wave in the flag, the ukrainian flag, even though they're in the majority. And we just have to, like, sit there and take that IT. IT was horrible.

Do you think any? I mean, the leader of ukraine is not elected anymore. He his term has ended.

He's not having a new election. He's the unelected maximum power in some place. We call that a dictator. And yet they're still hitting us with a democracy, pro democracy talking points, do you think? I mean, if they thought this through at all, the are they is lying.

Like what is that um they're lying. yes. I mean they know in the good news is some republicans are waking up to IT.

Remember when we started voting on these ukraine resolutions, even, you know, as soon as the war started, I was the only know there was like this open ended promise in a non binding resolution, they said, will give him whatever they need. And they were only like two other republicans that joined me on this. But now we've got a majority of republicans in congress the same wait.

This is they aren't using this money like we thought they were. And we're giving the money to fund pensions of retired politicians in ukraine who are most certainly corrupt, and we're paying their pensions with this money. But most .

republicans don't support IT. So that means your speaker, the republican speaker Johnson, is working for the work yeah.

it's a simple I mean and that's one of the reasons we went through with the motion to vacate pagosa cosponsored markets motion to vacate. There were ultimately eleven s voted .

for a speaker Johnson just .

like they had done Kevin mccarthy um although I thought appropriately at the wrong time and for the wrong reasons they did that to mccarthy but here we had speaker Johnson who is doing all the things people were afraid mccarthy might do. They prey convicted murthy for things they thought he would do. And here my Johnson came and did all these things.

He put an automobile on the floor. He passed the foreign intelligence surveilLance react that without warns, built the FBI a new building and gave ukraine all this money. So what? What happened, what margin I and paul decided ultimately, is we needed to expose the new party.

And never before have you had democrats vote for a republican speaker. And that's why we forced to question Nancy. Pollution voted for him.

He came Jeffery, went on national TV and said, why would we want to get rid of him? He's given us everything we want. I mean, the new party has never been so exposed as IT was when we called that motion to vacate. I know some people got mad at said we shouldn't done IT, but it's a long game which we certainly hope that he doesn't become speaker next, jane and hopefully people have seen with Nancy pelosi rushing to speaker Johnson aid that he's not the speaker you want when trump wins the ite house and we .

keep the majority.

do you think you will be um a lot of this depends on what the people want and if they can see IT hopefully also trump sees IT that mike Johnson is would be even worse than paul ryan paul ryan put while he was still in the while we were still in the majority paul ryan stent like a dozen cr or armed of the spills to president trump's desk because he didn't have any money for a wall in IT like he had no intention of ever funding a war paul ryan, you know and so I think mike Johnson can be similar the same way he's basically working for the deep state at this .

point in the united party how did .

that happen to have any idea the uh the paul rand bit or no paul an is a .

change you know is a sinister person I happen to know but also just of not a genius and an ideology at the same time which is like a bad combination, dumb idea gue for the scarious. But my Johnson seemed my kind, moderately conservative, kind of sincere, decent guy. You know, maybe he wo baby, I sit your kids and do a kate job and like parent and but he just, and he immediately just becomes the tool of a and jake sulivan in the by administers. How did that happen so fast?

Well, one of the things he claims, which I don't believe is true, and I have reason to say this, is that he says he went in a gift like he's had some one hundred eighty degree turns on some things, like, for instance, whether you need a warrant to spy on americans using the forever intelligence surveilLance act seven or two program, where he used to be on judiciary committee with me and jim Jordan trying to reform that, trying to get, he knew completely what we talk about, he's an attack y too right, and he knows the constitution.

He knows this is required, but he claims he spent time in a gift, and he learned the gift that is here, compartment alizad information facility or something. It's where we go. We have to leave our phones locked up.

You know, no staff in there. He complains. He spent time in schiff and learn things. The change is mine. Here's the problem, tucker.

I was in skiff with him like we had, we had DNA, not just the the current DNA, but the former DNA on rag Cliff trumps DNA. We had C. I A.

We had FBI. We even had a fia judge in there. And we spent three and a half hours IT was a four hour meeting.

And after three and half hours is basically a sip where they're just trying to beat you down. And I do the things and I was, this is ridiculous. You you haven't given they didn't give us one example. Of any time ever since facia was created that getting a warm would have kept them from solving or preventing an active terrorism. They gave hypotheticals, but they had no specific.

And I think five has been in place since one hundred seventy eight, since seventeen, right? So almost fifty years.

And they could not give you one example, not one example. Now they also expanded IT after nine, seven, and to do the the program to go against civilians, to spy on civilians. And actually that product came out of the judiciary committee. Here's another place where the speaker betrayed us. Five, seven or two was created by john cons.

And jim sensor or cons was the chairman and sense brenna was the the ranking member and what mike Johnson said this year was, well, even though the judiciary committee created this and is responsible for overseeing IT, i'm going to let the intel committee bring the bill to the floor without warrant. Senate IT wasn't even their jurisdiction. They have jurisdiction over fights as long as it's for the C. I, A, but not for the FBI. So that was frustrated and but was shocking.

It's shocking. IT is shocking. So said, know the end of civil liberties level stuff so yes, yes, but it's not like he learned new information to give.

No, not I was there. So what?

So that's .

like that problem, the fact that I was there and right, telling on your show that I was there for three and a half hours and my just you go ask my jobs and he'll say, yep, he was there three and a half hours .

so what is the truth? What do you .

think changed? I think he's kind of a lost ball and tall weeds. I think he's in a position of power he never imagined he would get to at this point in his life.

He's not done anything in private practice or political arena. This prepared him for this. He took the job with a very small staff. He didn't have uh, people to put in all positions on the field and he had to accept a lot of suggestions in areas he didn't know a whole lot, although he gets no pass on faster.

Yes, um he gets no pass on ukraine because he does as you point IT out, he doesn't even know how many casualties have been incurred on the ukrainian inside. I mean, he needs the second person in line for president after kala hairs. This is this is scary to me. He he's basically getting moved around.

It's you said nothing he did in his life before this prepared him for IT um but that itself may be kind of what you a more charitable explanation because I trying .

to be careful I mean.

I got to go back your life prepared you for this so just for those who don't know, you went to MIT, your high school girlfriend joined you in MIT. You married her while he was still there. And then together you started the company based on in A A very sophisticated invention that you came up with maybe the first of about thirty patterns and that you know how you run this company for a long time, that you move back to ken tuckey and a lot of things happen and you want to bring for that's not the background .

well um so nothing in the political arena but in my private life you know I raised thirty two million dollars of venture capital and I swam with the sharks. You like I had lots of moral dilemmas in the course of creating that company. I could have taken money off the table and gone in that other things.

But instead I felt a commitment to my staff and to other investors. I had investors who said, if you'll just shit, can that guy you hard as president will double our investment and i'm like, no, he's my partner. I'm not like he helped me get to this point. I'm not going to abandon him. Good for you and so um you know I had experiences in life that and then also just put my hands in the dirt on my farm.

like to tell me about that. So you will tell us about how you live and where you live because I think it's one of the most unusual things about you.

So I spent I grew up as a hill biller in eastern and toki. What county? Luis, counting counting people in thirty thousand people, thirteen thousand cattle, is a huge land mass and is a great county.

But there's it's one of the twenty one counties that I represent. It's to actually the post county per capital income that I represent, but it's the one I grew up in. So it's very unlikely that the congressman for the district would come from the post county.

So I grew up as a little nerd. I love taking stuff apart because I was bored. There were no mls.

You couldn't write your bicycle to any to store of. And if you did, he didn't have any money. So I had to find things to do at home.

I took apart things, built things, international science fares, built robots, made IT to the international science fair as a little you know hilly um one in award from NASA there and at the age fifteen like a one high school level awards and got into MIT never visited the campus, didn't really have the money to go visit IT but I read about IT there was no internet seemed like a good place I got there i'd lived in a town in one thousand nine hundred people all my life um and I I was there for six hours in cambridge, mass. Truth is I cross a mass choice avenue, had a cross walk and a stop light, you know, never, never really seen two of those things together. I'd seen crosswalks and top light. But so I walk through the the crossed walk in a car, hot like that short little boston. And I thought, oh my gosh, i've been here six hours and already run into somebody from kentucky and I turned out and waved at the car as big as I could .

with people from good lucky .

I don't think so. I think they have one finger up back so, uh and people like that's not a true story. Not only is IT true, he took me a month to quit waving at cars to beat like IT was just eighteen years of conditioning.

You thought beeping was, hey, hey.

there I mean, that's what we thought that little thing in the middle, your steering will was for if you saw somebody and they couldn't see you through the windshields torn, you throw your hand up, wave, they rolled down the wind out that's bob. And if you didn't wave, I mean, you were para. You were probably an x murder who was in our town, right? Or you were just in ahle.

I was, so I didn't want to be either. So I waited to that car meuse sets and and kept waving for about a month. But anyway, long story short, as you said, invented a virtual reality device that let you touch three dimensional objects.

Started to company, raise venture capital, did for ten years, moved to the library or die state, new hampshire, new hampshire. My company was in massage seat. I couldn't move the singer gravity too far out of cambridge.

I got IT up to one eight on uber n and then I commuted forty miles every day so I could live in a state. Will let you have machine guns and old cars and, you know, cool stuff. Red exports on the best, the best sports. So might you .

move back to ken tuckey .

after ten years, you know, of of doing IT IT was and we had three kids and we wanted to raise them like we were raised in kentucky and we wanted be near their grandparents. Like both my parents were still alive. Both my wife's parents were still alive.

And you learn so much from your grandparents. Your parents are really busy just you know try to earn living or whatever if you're lucky enough to have a relationship with your grandparents. That's where I think the generational stuff Carries on.

yes. And um I had a great relationship with my grandparents, so we wanted our kids to live in that environment. And we came back.

We bought the farm that my wife grew up on. We built a house off the grid. IT runs on erect. Model s tesla battery been running continuously for six and half.

You built the head wake. Who built the house?

I did like I we had an ice storm and a lot of trees fell out.

How big is the .

property is? A fifteen hundred makers .

and it's wooded.

It's all almost all woods like, and it's too steep. I don't want you think this is like valuable.

I know, I know part of state.

pack your lunch. If you're on the ridge and you fall off the ridge, you going to be hungry about the timing yet to the bottle. You going to be grab in like tree roots and stuff to keep from sliding. But IT grows trees and some .

of IT is flat in the boat.

But this is not these are howlers. So um in fact, interestingly enough, it's been a republic and count y since the civil war, even though all the counties around that have been democrats .

since the civil world.

Geography, geography, pogram y did not allow for consolidation of farms, right? So there was no scale at which slavery made sense. You basically in your holder, you only had enough land that your family, if you had enough kids, could farm.

yes. And so that's the way people grew up. By the way, it's kind of libertarian. You i'll do my thing in my howler. You do your thing in your holler, right? If you need some help, let me know I and help you.

Yeah because the topography.

right? The reason west Virginia was republican succeed from a Virginia. So by way, half my families from west Virginia and half my families from kentucky, my mammals, whose ninety seven right now is still alive, her grandfather was union soldier.

A S isn't .

that crazy from .

west reginia.

from west Virginia? Yeah, he still lives in west Virginia. But like, we're not that far away from .

the silva war.

I I, you can talk to people who were alive when people who fight the civil war worked with a guy.

When I was that the newspaper arcane L, A guy shared a desk with bob lee from tex arcana argensola. He said, I knew confederate veterans in my lifetime. I know man who knew confederate veterans or civil veterans.

That's just debit crazy. But my whole point that was she's a republican. She's been republicans my memo since the civil war and like nobody maries into our family, if you're democrat, you've ttl go see mama and should either approve or disapprove and she's been had pretty good luck at sniff in out the liberals, yeah, the liberals.

So you had an ice store. There was an ice store on your property.

Have that figure into. So I only heard a bos or so. I got a ch so I could drag these trees out.

I got a sam. Cut these end of tempers, built the timber frame house. What what kind of would it's seventeen kinds of wood because we did IT whatever fell down in the ice storm. We've got oak yellow popular hiker beach.

So hardwood .

hardwood yet. And um then we wanted to be self sustaining.

Well, how did you know how a timber frame?

I fell a class on ebay for five hundred dollars in tennessee and I bought IT now and I drove to tennesee and took one week and we built a little shed slash cabin and and I called my wife from a payphone and I said, I want to do this like, instead of going to get a job, we had just ended like left our company after ten years of working there. And we'd moved back to kentucky and I said, we'll just built a temple .

frame house .

like full time. Yes, woke up every morning, had my coffee and started chisel in away or going up in the woods and dragon more trees out that had fAllen down.

So you you built your house full time, like as a job every day.

And and this is what our kids saw to, like the flowing for our kitchen came out of the creek we call a creek.

What mean? The flooring came out .

of the create. There are rocks and the crick that are flat, that they look like the stuff you buy, IT lows that fake. And my I go this one day model the fake stuff after we did free, let us go pick IT up. Now if we have probably have repay in ourselves about three dollars now compared if we had just gone to, you know, one of the box store bought IT in in terms of harvesting IT. But our kids, I think in addition to being with the grandparents learned a big lesson that wow mom and dad a grow in our food.

They are uh collecting the materials for the house here from the environment um that you don't have to rely you know neighbors are good though, right? We actually sent him to public school that which was, and we let him ride the bus was only three miles away. But we figured the bus ride was important too because when you get to school, this sort of separate you, yeah, but you've got can be fifteen terrifying minutes on the bus where you with everybody, right? I remember my son, he was like ten years old.

He traded some ug o cards on the bus. And uh, for the like, awesome. The best U G, O card ever. And he showed IT to us and was little plastic thing. And we're like, what did you want to take IT out? plastic? No, no.

He told me to leave in in here. And we take IT out. And IT was a fake, and he was so mad, but he turns out his dad had told me a leaky bulldozer and said there was no league senate. So ran .

in the family .

family, the same kid is dipped. My son stiffed me on this dose.

So where I mean.

but you learn these, these are life lessons, right? They didn't lead a sheltered life. And so we grew up, you know, they grew up there with one .

percent of the timbers in the timber frame came from your property.

All of IT what never left the farm.

really. So you build IT there.

mild there, chisel IT there, made the modest intentions and the dog tales.

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How did you cutting a mortals intendent cutting in death tail joint? These are having done IT very difficile. How do you learn to do that?

I can tell myself, look, farmers without calculators pulled this off two hundred years ago. And so surely, if i've got a computer, some electricity, I should be able to do this as well. Um just dent of will but .

sh'd been like A C educated war programmer, right? But not a nothing .

that's jail. But I mean the the only thing I had built before that was a tree house, right? And even that didn't get finished.

So but I mean, some of that stuff is very complex, like actually complete timber framing. Some some of the joints are difficult to cut and the design itself is is complicated.

Yeah, you don't like. You have to plan IT all ahead. You don't like, hold the temple up there like you would .

a two by four years. That forty .

five needs to be a forty two degree. It's, you saw off a little bit more. You can do that well, you know, europe in the mill, the air on scaffolding, trying to get two pieces to fit together.

It's actually is a fun math problem. So I enjoyed IT, but it's something honest about IT because all the fascination are wooden too. So it's one medium that you learn. There's no like bulls, all peg nails, all pigs. And when you realized that.

and there there, there are no metal faster ers in the frame, correct? none.

Mean, we had to nail the floor to god IT and the walls on. But the frame is me. No metal fast structure and is forty six feet. all.

It's forty six feet tall.

yes, from the basement slab which I timber framed the basement too. I still don't even know how to stick frame like like i'm going to build one house. I'm going learn .

one tech framing that yeah you're watching this .

is a it's stick frame so I was like, well, to build the basement timber frame two and the dormers like if you pay the company build timber frame, they would stick frame the dormers.

of course or or buy them and just bolt them on right?

Yeah I timber framed to that and just like let's to speak here the whole way and there's is, as an engineer, I thought, well, I want to build a house with timbers. I like how timbers look but to but you will just bolting together. We will use R N brackets.

That's the best way to do IT. But in the course of this one week class, I came to ize, wow. If you just let go and make everything out of wood, IT solves problems that you would create when you start using metal fascines like wood shrinks.

IT takes like six or eight years for a big timber to fully drive out. So how do you deal with metal fasteners and shrinking wood while the metal Fosters can rip out? But if you build your fathers out of wood, like you can all work and moves together. And there's, you know, if you go to germany, you know there's homes that are four, five hundred years old to show that I can work. So so all the timbers came .

from the property. What about the stone? A lot of stone in the house.

Yeah, we get some of IT out of the creek. We dug some of the out of the ground. All of the stones is from the property.

How did you dig IT out of the ground? What does that mean? You started a stone Carry on your own property.

My friend yard is now a pond um but I there was an old logging road and the erosion had exposed this layer of rock. And I thought, well, that layer of rock must go pretty far. So I started digging using a bacco.

I started digging the dirt of the later of rock. Wow, there are a lot of rocks here. And I just I almost giggled out loud when I shoved on that layer of rock with my bacco. And all these rocks started rolling out in front of the blade, and they look like rock you could buy at the store. You know, like, why would I go by? I'm like, I can just like shove a three tons of amount here and you know a few minutes um and then I had people coming in visiting obviously we looked like a bunch of weird is building this timber frame house upon the hill and people would come up and they are.

are you living at this point?

Lived in a mobile home like we just pulled in a mobile home. And I told my wife, we don't live in IT for six months. We end up two years in a nine hundred square foot mobile home before kids.

No way it's but I mean, it's actually not that bad. You get to know your family really well. You can hear .

being on a boat.

Yeah, you try to go to the bathroom if you're gone for more than five minutes like the wall between the kitchen in the bathroom is so thin, you're just just enjoying private moment. They're on the throne trying to read a magazine about timber framing ourself that right? And you can hear the kids at the dinner table saying, where daddy go, we're dad, we're and then I start trying to find that anyway, IT was a good config experience.

And now we actually kept the mobile home and we leased IT. The dear hunters, really? Yeah, it's a double wide.

It's so it's full of deer heads and bunk beds now. And hunters called the lodge, which we find amusing. My wife calls at the double lodge since to double wide.

You have got a dear in your land.

We have yet trophy dear all.

What do you charge to run IT, just in case .

people are interested in we. We were booked up.

You know, we are internet people.

right? We moved up. yes.

So did IT take you to finish.

this house is not finished if i've been criticized. You in campaigns, people try to use this in may. Some guy, because he doesn't even have doors on all things, see some kind of weird. great. Well, we haven't made that door yet, right?

You're making the doors.

We have made a few of them. We're kind of breaking down, down and buying a few doors now that the kids are going on.

So this that was like your kids like so what you're did you sure how long as this process been?

So we started in two thousand three. So we're twenty one years and we've been off the grid that long to again.

Now when you say off the grid, what you what do you mean?

We're not connected to any public utility, not electricity, not water, not tour, not phone. The the house is totally disconnected from everything.

Did you build the system yourself?

Yeah, using a lot of its off the shelf stuff, but some of its improvised field expected like to test a battery, the car battery that runs out by that out of a catoe, you go to a junk yard and say how much you want for that right model s and I say you, the battery for fifty one thousand.

Why not? Why can is by the battery separately?

They won't like text wood and tell me a powerball. I would. I tried to buy one for years.

why? Because he has to be connected to the grid. For some reason, their business model involves that. So is like, alright, well, i'll get a battery.

How much different can to be from the batteries in their car? So I grove to lake in near georgia with a little trailer. When escaping trailer, the bar ways, I think twelve hundred pounds.

But here's the funny thing. It's considered hazardous material if you pull in on a trailer, but if it's in a car is just fine. So I I heard IT up and got back to a tucky with the trailer. I don't have a has mad .

life show was a rect tesla model s and you pulled the battery out of IT.

And what you do with IT disassembled IT pay fifteen thousand dollars cash. But this is like this probably like fifteen or twenty years. Hopefully it'll last. And so I brought at home, took IT apart. Actually, I made a youtube video of this.

And what's kind of funny is I had this big rubber gloves that a friend who had work on power lines, they were leftovers, and he gave to me. So like in the youtube video, I try to make sure, like i'm using big rubber gloves and stuff. And I did like this, fast forward you of the disassembly of the battery. And I forgot, like my tool boys are in there helping me and they don't have to go to.

they have to earn the right to have good.

Don't put stuff on the like. I once I have a tesla model s one of the very first ones made, and i've got friends of coal license plates on IT, like in could tucky you can get friends of coal is a totally a coal. C O A L, yes, sorry.

So because in kentucky that if you plugged into the grid, that's likely where your electricity, I would think you. So i'm driving the thing back from dc. This was when gas was get closed to five dollars ago.

IT was over four dollars account. And I and I stopped in west Virginia to charge my tesla at a super charging station is just kind of troll people on the internet. And I made sure to get a picture of my friends, a coal license plate, I said, charging up with cold here in west Virginia.

And uh, within thirty seconds i'd knew i'd made a mistake because somebody had zoom in on the picture and my tags were expired and they started tagging the kentucky, say, police, my local share of the dmv and kentuck like they were trying to get true. I'm like there's no way to stop this now and so they were relentless. And but then somebody realized that there had been explored for eighteen months, and i'd actually made IT a year without paying taxes and was maybe likely to get out of the year of taxes.

What you when .

yeah but in kentucky think they make you go back and pay the old taxes anyways. What I learned there is like search everything in the picture before you put .

IT on the well and and others with us to your personal lives that you have learned this the .

hard way even so he doesn't. You've got enough minor, minor taxi van issue here.

You don't have time to be too weird. So so you get the text battery back to your office ard house. Yeah, what do you have to do because it's not made for this is a great car battery.

A car battery is made around four hundred volts. All of my existing system was made around on forty eight faults, but there were sixteen modules each, Normally twenty five votes. And I realize if you put two of those series, you can make fifty volts.

So I put, uh, eight sets of two in series. And so I put eight parallel, a parallel eight sets of two in series. So I got fifty volts. And a lot more and age than what the test the car would Normally draw. Who was capable of doing that and how hard .

is that to do?

But well, I mean, you took a few days, but it's lasted for six and a half years. I won't advise doing this at home like I put IT in an ability. I mean, if a catches on fire is probably like turn noble that many series, like don't look at the reactor, god cannot put out. He created lithium ion, but he can't put the fire out if IT starts. So I would not attach IT to your house.

Mine is like the judge to your house kind of yeah.

it's like a basement room that's not under the house like I don't want to get into everything under my house, right? okay. So my wife says our house is my science project and she's the mouse.

And SHE doesn't mind that, but I keep rearranging the maidens on the weekends when I come back from dc. And then SHE has to find the cheese while i'm in dc. But it's chee's more like the astronaut, I think in a rocket. I think that's ex's only .

trust level required.

correct? yes. SHE trust me on in dc. And I trusted to fly the house. She's good taking.

So what? She's also my graduate. SHE like kind of understand .

some of the stuff. Oh yeah. Although SHE would like to have just one thing in the house where if something went wrong, you could call somebody, but SHE can't.

She's got to like, call me and then I walk her through IT. By way, it's good. Like marriage security.

This is like we, whoever broke up up. If so, let's say, SHE put something in my coffee and I didn't wake up the next day. You have a hard time run in the house.

So so you put these, you put the noles, which is based separate batteries, okay, within the the big batter.

Then I put a computer on IT of a rasberry pie in a little graphic screen, and the rasberry pie using a an argono talks to the can bus that which is a proprietary tesla communication system. So I use the battery management system that's a native to the tesla battery modules. If there's a nerd listening to this, this makes complete sense. And they be like, well, why wouldn't you do that? And everybody else from me like he's just B S.

sing. So did you have to add new software to this to run IT?

I had a right software from scratch. I .

but it's fun.

Like this is what I do. Look, i've been in congress for twelve years. My brain has atrophy to the size, all that um IT actually to a reason and IT experience to a world that if I can go home and do these projects, and then I go back to dc and its back down to the race .

and I I believe that I don't understand how these projects worked, but I know what brain IT looks like and I know that congress .

induced it's not a warm and just string so so .

how does IT work? Like IT works. great.

We can run the air conditioner. Like for the first eleven years, we had LED acid batteries and they didn't more decorate head water to. They put off hydrogen en gas, which is explosive.

They put off a sulfide gas that can kill you like glad assets. Ads are bad and they're like over hundred years old. But by way, I love solar panels.

Like republicans are like, look, I mean, like, yes, solar panels, you have an electric car. Like you share you one of us in my well, the solar panels are rocks that make electricity because they are amazing things. They they take sunlight and turn IT into something we can all use um so you can hate I tell republicans, you can hate the subsidies.

You can hate the bailouts. You can hate the Mandates. I hate all of those things as well, but don't hate solar panels.

They hate technology.

right? Because it's actually given me, given me and can give other people a license to be independent. So let's get .

specific about IT. So you have this this tesla battery that allows you to do everything in Normal house can do you can run your condition, but a dishwasher, a washing dry missing .

4 deep phrases refrigerator for .

deep races for peaches.

beef and chickens .

running continuous continuously so um so your paradise significant on all those planes, obviously. Yeah and the battery handles IT find how much propane or how much diesel would I assume of a generator to recharge back .

up generator the occasionally in the winter. But I keep every time your .

solar panels recharge the battery.

Yeah for nine months a year, the back up generator doesn't run except for IT is like test run.

Actually when we bust .

out the machine guns, like who's in the drive, okay back down the level one, that's just the back up generator.

So your electricity is I mean, as long as you know how to Operate, the apparently only you do. But if you can do that, then you're just living a completely Normal life, correct? With electricity, how do you do eat? How do you eat your house?

So in one of the Greenness ways possible, like I think the whole carbon thing is a sm of course it's a scam. But if you do care about carbon neutrality, I wish we had more carbon. We need more CEO to yeah and in periods in the earth history, we had more co two and plant life was doing Better.

And we've seen plant life. We've seen the coverage of Green on the globe increase as co two levels go up. Crop production goes up as C, O, two levels go up. But if you did care about co two, I am using wood on my farm, like just trees that falls down. I'm not even going out and cutting a living tree.

There's enough trees falling down dead for that if I don't get to the turn ride to do and they turn them to see to and but I can get to them and cut them up and bring him to my house and burn them. And I would get fine boiler, which is super efficient. You, by the way, once you start cutting wood for heat efficiency, you like if you figure out a boiler spices efficient, you can cut hf as much.

So would get continued because anyone has made IT this far in the interviews interested with gas fiction. Can you explain what that is? How is IT different from a Normal woodfire .

boiler or woodstove? Yeah and a Normal woodstove you put the wood in there IT can be Green um you lighted on fire, you get IT going and then you control the air that goes to IT to keep from getting too hot. And a lot of smoke comes out, especially when it's ideally because it's an efficient ambush in process and it's had a relatively low temperature under the say, a thousand degrees.

But in a wooded gasify boiler you get the fire started and IT basically turns the wood into charcoal and drives the gases out of IT into a secondary chAmber. That's ceramic because it's burning at over fifteen hundred degrees. So some of the stuff that.

what do you get woods to burn that hot.

you just use the private of oxygen at first and and ye T A hot and then you drive all the gas is off and you put more oxygen in in the secondary chAmber and IT looks like it's burning gas, like it'll be a blue flame um and then it'll turn into a yellow flame. IT starts out, actually.

and this is just oak, maple beach. This is just conventional firewood.

I burn near wood, nearest wood to the house.

right? Like newer wood. I don't remember that near wood.

near wood. News, you burn software IT. You can.

But the B T, again, if you're doing this yourself about efficiency, like if you look at the old timers, they were the Greenness people on the planet, right? They didn't waste a thing, and they figured out the most efficient way to do things because IT was minutes out of their lives. yes.

So you start figuring out how to be more efficient when you're trying to be self sustaining. So i've got on my twitter bio, I used to say you may still say this on their Greenness member of congress. That doesn't mean I just got there and a Green nobody.

I never got any of the fact checkers to come after me on that. Nobody wants to fact check me because I probably am the Greenness member of congress is who is, has self sustaining food, self sustaining without external aliis right? Self sustaining power, self sustaining water.

So you heat with wood, how much would you burn? Would you say a season?

嗯， the size of this table, maybe four stacks award the size of .

this table. So this is about a cords. About cord.

Is four by four by eight, roughly. Is a much that's impressive. But how do you get hot water?

We've got three ways to make hot water. When our geothermal units running in the summer time, doing the air conditioning IT takes the heat out of the living room and puts them in the hot water tank. So we have free hot water from like may and tell september when the air conditioners running, and then in the winter when the boiler, the woods bowler's is running, that makes hot water.

And then if there's ever not the air condition running or the boiler running, we haven't on demand. This is where we cheat on demand. Propac hot water heater that makes up the difference.

amazing. But you could pretty easily set up a woodfire out outdoor.

You could yeah, but in in the summer, again, you get IT for free from the air condition. I actually have a fourth way to make hot water too. So when we're not connected to the grid, a lot of people who have solar panels are connected to the grid and they have extra power.

They sell IT back, right? I'm always depressed when I have extra power. My celebs just turned off and i'm like, run around, turn on some lights, you know, turn on something that we I don't want to waste this free electricity.

So I got extra hot water heater elements that run on dc, so that when the sun, when our houses, for the first thing that does is that tries to charge the tesla that sitting in the garage. So the test is sitting there at half ful, and its solid state breaker in my broker box comes on and starts the test of charging. Then when the chest IT gets full and the house battery full, I create hot water with the electricity.

So i've got like a fourth way to make hot water. Hot water is almost as good as water. I mean, if you've ever gone without water, you know it's bad, yeah.

But going out without hot water almost.

Where you get your water.

So I, doug, a well and dug.

not not drill. There are .

lots of old doug walls on our farm, so I knew I could work a big pit. Yes, they didn't dig IT just straight down. They dug a big pit, and then they laid up stones, a circle, you know, the stones, you see when you look in an old war.

But then they back, filled the pit with stones. yeah. So that extra area becomes like a reservoir. And then they put dirt on top of that, so that, you know, when a red coon poops next to, well, IT doesn't necessarily go right into the rest of war.

So I did a very similar thing, but I hit bedrock and a borrowed friend's jack hammer, and spent a day inside of that hole with a jack hammer, trying to get even deeper through the bedrock. I finally took my friends jack back. And then, okay.

that's deep enough. What was the jack camera like?

I mean, that's the best argument for for public health care. I know this because I don't. I have a new appreciation for somebody that run in a jack hammer. Those, those would wear your body out quickly.

really quickly. yeah. Did you lose a crown?

I did not lose the ground.

So does does the t the dog? Well, work, he works.

One out of the year was kind of short on water.

yes. Aug.

yes, August. How do you know that? Have you ever I have a dug well look in.

i'm aware of.

But again, you can serve right. Of course, if you if you're connected to city water and IT seems what's on the other side is OPEC to you. You just use as much as you want.

And what happens is during this peak periods, that's when the utility company has to work extra hard. That's when the the Price and inefficiency goes way up is in those peak periods when people aren't cutting back in response to the supply because the actual cost of producing IT isn't known. When you're making IT yourself, it's known. But um i've argued that water and electricity, even when they come from you're especially when they come from utility, should have variable pricing based on instant, the cost at that very instant to produce IT and then you could have appliances not Mandated but smart planes. If you're rich, you don't care when the Price of power cos don't know what IT costs.

If you're poor and you get all screen that says the power just went up, you go turn IT off you, you say, will do the dishes tonight, right? When is cheaper? And if you're middle income, you probably eventually the market will respond to this and automate these things so that you know if you know the Price of electricity, your appliance can know the Price. I don't want the utility company to know what you're doing with, but you can have these smart systems that make a lot more efficient use of our resources.

So because you're not connected to the grid to any public utility, I know I mean, you're actually independent in a way that no one outside of alaska i've ever met is and that sounds like you're not giving up anything. You're not living .

in a not too much there are some sacrifices like, well, you know it's cloudy for a lot of days and hot we may turn the thermos up yeah just so we don't have to hear the back up generate run that doesn't .

seem like crazy sacrifice.

There are some people with the instant they had to turn the firm step from seventy two to seventy five was we screwed on out of here. I'm going i'm going back to the Green.

but that means that the state kind of has no control over your land.

correct? Or me. So when I go to D, C, and they thread me or try to bribe me, it's like I know once friday comes, I may be back on my farm and I don't need him like it's not that I don't want to do things for people.

I helps my neighbors and my igh bors help me and I I want to to do public service. But because I have this comfort level that I am going to go back home to this, I don't need the job. We're self sustaining. A IT gives you an extra dimension of independence. I think when you're in D, C.

what about food that can they starve you out?

I don't think so, like they can cut off my fish supply because we don't raise fish and we don't raise port, but we raise chicken with the meat and eggs, we raise beef and we usually race a pretty good garden. And I have an orchard, uh, peaches, lots of peaches. My first peaches gonna right here in a few weeks, and my last peo ll be right in september. So I and in fourteen kinds of peach trees, so they get ripe, different weeks, and they taste nothing like the cardboard peaches. You buy the .

supermarket so you don't need to lead actually your form.

no. Are you trying to talk about of like I mean, this is a crisis. I have .

some week a .

man on monday. It's like, you know you know you're going to get hit with a two bi four as soon as you you walk in the door. And dc, like is .

that weird? I mean, I guess what i'm struck by, I don't live upgrade, so I do have an upgrade clamp, but the amount of skills you need to build something like that is, is really, really striking. Like you actually have to know how to do things.

Complex things mean timber framing is another level, but electrical, plumbing, missy, agriculture have equipment Operation like you can do all of that of, obviously. So is that where d to be in a room with four hundred and thirty four people who can do shit, who can't Operate a Michael mean they're like actually incapable. And maybe that's whether I in politics so they can externalize their their self loving. Is that weird?

I don't I really don't think about .

IT that much. I don't .

think about IT where do you .

pick up plumbing skills so .

my rule is buy three books for everything um because you you can go to a harbor store and buy a book on plumbing. But I don't trust one books so you buy two books. And then if the two books disagree, what are you going do what you ve got to have a third book.

So i've got three books on pumping, three books on worrying, three books on septic system, three, three book sign rousing, three. I get three books on everything, and you read them and I read them. And then there's the code book, which is like, you know, the it's almost like international housing code thing that some munn cip alist have adopted and you have to abide by. I just look at that is like a suggestion manual. So do you think .

now we're way in the weeds? I don't know if anyone was watching, but they're like four handymen carpenter general contractor or are still in in this. But do you think that code, which really determines how people live in this country, the code done up to code is IT is IT real? I mean, is that knowing what you do about all those different trades, does the code protects people?

Actually um IT protects the contractor. So why I know that. And so they helps write IT. The unions do so, for instance um the referred union and the plum union I think have to put as mini holes in your roof with plummet as possible right because all the .

you all .

events right if you try to build a house to code, you'd likely to have four, five preparations .

in your roof .

and that keeps the refer is busy. Like to guarantee to get a call every few years to fix that week. And it's also very expensive. It's it's fairly cheap to do roofing, but it's all the exceptions that cost money. And then if you're a paloma.

that's one more thing like all the flashing and all the yeah every time you have an approach ure in the roof, like that's a vulnerability.

So my f has no holes in IT like i've looked at this and like, well, that's a good suggestion but who .

who benefits if I believe .

no holes in my roof, no holes out the side. Have you seen that open house in? Uh, I think at sydney, australia is sydney or melba.

There's no holes in that. There's bathrooms in there. How do they do IT? They have the one way, admit, valves like you have under your kitchen counter. They have giant ones of those that work for the whole system, and they're not to code. But I think that stupid, because why would I want to put a bunch .

of holes in my roof? Well, I couldn't agree more.

I'm interested in this topic.

so I nobody else. But for those the four people who are, i've always wondered that why, with woodstove where I live, everyone, lots of wood stoves and some of them I have, wood stops went out the side of the building like extra window and then do an l up. It's not quite as efficient know, because you're gonna turn on the run, but you don't have a hole in your roof and an a climate with like lots of snow, for example. You don't want to any holes in this, but how do you vent your fairness.

for example, so that I just run in a typical flu and IT goes up in the chimney with my pizza oven flu, my wood cookstove flu and my room for fireplace flu? I have four flews through the chimney on the gables. And no, they are in the middle, the house.

I put the chimney in the middle of the house because it's a big thermal mass, and I wanted to smooth out the changes in temperature in the house. And so there's where I did accommodate one hole in the roof is the chimney, because if you put a big stone mass on the side of your house, there's no way to isolate IT from the outside. So ba, wait, let me say something like, I know there are some women watching this, wondering, like, I want to live in a house like that.

That sounds like a lot of fun. Talk to my wife first. Occasionally we have like some crisis that I have to solve and become my very so the first time I got elected to congress, for instance, the day before I went to go get sworn in, the well pump failed and i'm like I can't leave my wife and four kids at home without water and we have, uh, a very unique well pop.

Would I mean by that well.

I didn't buy the one at the hardware stores so you get and go replace IT. So I went down there.

And what did you buy?

It's like in a catoche somewhere, like at the engineer and may found the best one. Okay, it's not the most common. Went, but I had to fix this.

So I did is I found one of my drills, you know, like you drill holes with, and I took IT down to the well, and I took the motor off the well pump, and I checked the drill to the west head. And because it's not the merced, it's off the IDE in a pump house. And I wired, no, had an outlet on IT, but I just wired IT into the welfare wiring and the drill pumped water for our house. I believe that long enough for me to go get warn in.

I've i've seen that. I've seen drills run winches.

Well, I forgot IT was there like I did my congress thing .

for the that you had .

on continuities sly, yeah. And in the the accumulator, uh, in the basement, the controls, the pressure, would turn the drill off and on whenever IT needed more water pressure. And so IT ran continuously.

I forgot d about IT. I just got busy and like a year later, if I can water quit work. And .

because if he .

that he was actually Walker, the whole g one of.

I don't really, yes, they are cool drill. So you last night, I just want to end with this last night we were having dinner and which is really one of the most interesting, amusing dinners i've ever had. But you made reference to a story, but we didn't get you didn't chose to finish and up to you, but about putting new plummet in accounting jail.

I think we can sell a story. yes. So quickly I got into politics because we were living off the grid, and I read this little newspaper, and IT said they were going to raise our taxes to fund this crony ism in the county, the conservation district, which was building stuffer themselves, and not for other farmers.

They wanted detect other farmers to help their farm, right? IT wasn't really about conserving farmers of the big best. Conservation is there are, so let's don't punish them anymore.

Okay, good cause. So I fought that tax, and then I actually fought zoning in our county. They wanted to zone our county.

I mean, zoning is to keep the smokestacks out of the colder sacks. okay? My county didn't have any smokestacks and didn't have any code sacks, right? We did like the neighborhood in E.

T. You know, that movie where the kids right likes to the neighborhood didn't have neighborhoods like that. So we didn't need zoning. But somebody thought if we zoned the county that we would get prosperity because they saw all the prosperous county had zoning. It's like it's cargo coal.

What is like saying we shall import some homeless because that we have banks, right, right? The more and will move here because in midtown, they are homeless.

So that was, I was fighting that writing layers to the editor and the, and finally, I quit fighting the guy who was doing all this. He's called the county judge executive in the tucky like the mayor of the county. And I decided to run against him.

So you never been in politics.

never in my life. Also, there was a guy named and paul who was inspiring. He was taking on the establishment, was his first run for senate, and he decided to get involved in his race too. So just like with my house, I didn't go in part way.

I went in all in okay on politics one fall actually one spring is he win the primary IT to and so um actually did a fundraiser friend at my house and when nobody wanted to do a fundraiser for rain paul, because was run against establishment, my house wasn't finished. We weren't even living in IT yet. Sorry.

little side up from the double wide.

Yes, we went to the double wide and we said for one hundred dollars you can come to our pizza party I did have the pizza of and working and because you built .

to peat up before the bedroom.

yes, priorities that's right had tested out make sure IT was inhabitable. So um the funny thing too, we didn't have doors on the bathrooms at the time. We had no doors, so we did run to lose.

The day before ran, paul came and put a door on the bathroom because I was like, look, this guy could be a senator someday and he might need to go to the bathroom. And we need something more than a curtain here. So we call out the rain pole.

Door on the bathroom is the one at a room that had a door from the very beginning. Anyways, we did the way also. This was in january, and around as cheapest hell, he had a two will drive S, U, V.

So I had to plan all my driveway so that he can get up there. And the problem is it's gravel, so had to plan, oh, my gravel of practically just to so for what IT costs to upgrade to the forever drive for ran paul, I like my travel costs way more than that anyways. I went all in on politics, help train, get elected in any primary.

I was on the ballot the same day in in twenty ten, the primary may twenty second, twenty ten RAM was on the ballot and I was on the ballot, but I was running for this little county executive sea trying to take a republican out because he's trying to raise our taxes and bring him more government. And so I won the election. And IT was the most terrifying thing when they handed me the key to the courthouse, like it's a small town.

And if the janitor didn't show up to open the course and start the boiler, which looked like the african queen was, you had to kick IT do all this stuff to get IT started. The share office won't be heated, the clerks office wouldn't heated, and my office wouldn't be heat ded if I couldn't get the african queen to start. So yes, I was like the dog that caught the bus.

And I had promised I won't raised taxes. And I was immediately confronted with all these problems that had accumulated over the years in our county government. And the jailer came to me, who is an elected official in name's Chris, and he he got elected the same day I go. Elected and he was all in on mike, you know, let's reform this county but he had some bad news for me, the, by the way, the state government had sold the county government of bill of goods.

They said, if you will keep our state inmates, we'll pay you thirty two dollars a day and you will make kinds of money and you, like, the county was a million dollars in debt because this did not work out, and I wasn't going to spend another penny, you know, on this. Throw in good money after bad and but we had thirty thirty state inmates who go out and pick up trash and you move around the courthouse and they they get real sweat and the hot water heater had quit working at the jail oh and so the the jailer Chris comes to me, says, judge, they call me judge even though i'm not an attorney. Almost the county judge execute the judge. I got some bad news so what's so well, hot water heater quit working on the state inmate side and I can't make state inmates with local inmates. You know, you get murderer long with non .

support you from change. Yeah yes.

like this, we can't have been taking showers together, some work and I said, okay, we'll just buy another hot water heater and he said, well, I tried that. I've got a quote. We only had one licensed plumber in the county and I said, what was the quote? He said twelve thousand dollars. I said that mean, this is a small county .

for a hot water here.

for hot water, like all of our property taxes together, we're like four hundred thousand dollars, twelve thousand dollars for hot. I'm not paying to a thousand dollars for a hot water heater. You tell that guy to get lost and he said, what are you going to do as I co, I wanted know the harper store something.

So I go look at this hot war. Hear to jail. IT is not the kind you buy at the store.

It's like a boiler almost and it's fairly involved. It's got like ancient quarter copper lines. It's not house plumbing.

But I had, pm, I had three books on plumbing, right? I felt fairly confident. I said if I can find one of these, i'll put in in myself.

So I got on ebay and I looked for this model. hot. There was one bit now for fifty five hundred dollars. And like, I can save the county like sixty five hundred dollars.

So I called the emergency meeting of our fiscal court, brought in the magistrates notice IT to the newspaper, did IT all legally, and made a motion to buy IT now on ebay. Then I hit the button. I bought this hot water heater.

If they bring IT in a tractor trailer, I didn't pay extra for the lift gate because had inmates, the inmates take this thing out the tracor trailer, and we go in and we take the old hot water heater out. And there were three inmates in that closet, right, work on on that hot water heater, just demolishing everything. So they dragged that thing out of there, and I had to go in the closet with the inmates to put the new and and i'm like, I only want one inmate and that clause IT with me fair.

The hot water heater needs plumped. I don't need blub. So the other two inmates that were smelling pretty rank at this point, I said, you guys go strip the old hot water heater.

I want anything of value on that. Besides, you're in here for strip and copper and other things like you're going to there. We can do this, judge, know, short arnes bringing this, tens, bringing this, corporal bringing this.

They could quote every Price at the salvage seriously. yeah. So they, I leave the two inmates stripping the old hot water heater, and they had a computer on IT and stuff.

And i'm installed in a new hot water heater. And I noticed, for instance, even like the the plumber had left off this water trap that keeps gases from escaping like a safety device. So I make sure to do IT completely safe by the book or by the three books that I had.

And um I come out of the closet, by the way, there's like thirty inmates I had to walk by the rec room that had a piece of glass and they can all watch me changing this hot water heater. And there's like thirty inmates like in disbelief with their hands and faces, press to the glass, like, we have never seen an account, ge, and you get a calls on his hand or doing anything. So I go back out and the inmate said, we got everything of value.

There was this hack of an old hot water heater sitting there. They strip the copper, the hit, stripped all of the useful iron off of IT. And I said, guys, he left the most valuable thing on IT.

They said, no, judge, we've done this all our lives. We strip these things. There's tough. And on here they're bring anything down at living stance.

That was the junk yard place, recycling place and I said, no, you left the most valuable thing as to come over here and they walk over and I said, you see this lime Green inspection sticker, get IT wet and peel IT off and glew IT on the new hot water heater. Remember, i've refused to hide the only licensed plumber and accounting. They go judge, you could go to jail for this. I said, i'll have a hot shower. Won't you actually .

did that?

I did that. And the only reason i'm telling you this public is of this was how long was IT like fifteen years ago or something? And fourteen years ago, I think to statue, to limitations, you practicing IT without a licence, a plum a on a public building is probably expire. If not, the D, O, J, be at my house as soon as the air. But they have also since closed down the jail like a few years later.

they IT was a good. They take the water here with them.

You know, it's on my bucket list. IT may still be in there.

So what are using IT for now?

Um I think it's just vacant. Maybe theyll use IT for drug rehab or something .

at some point.

which would make more. The computer came on and everybody got, I mean thirty inmates just waiting to take a hot shower and IT worked and work to work until they shut the jail down. So credible.

But anyways, that set the tone like you could say, well, you're the executive of the county and you shouldn't wasting your time on that. But I, I mean, I had four hours of effort in IT and I saved the county sixty five hundred dollars in my no, this is worth my time. And IT also shows the in hates like, okay, we're buying you dollar fifty launches instead of the two dollar launches.

Now, because we fired the crony who was doing the food system holy and and they were less likely to complain when they saw that the judge itself was actually willing to change the hot water heater. But I also set the tone, the share of, and the county clerk and everybody else who sees that. And it's like, man, he is a cheap bastard, like i'm not gonna ask him at the next fiscal card meeting for anything.

Why did you tell the sort of APEC and maybe i'll leave you. It's not personal and not against your country. I just don't want to .

spend more money. By the way, i'm really there be some plumbing lobby against me next week after they see this.

But the one thing I know for a fact is that you will bravely stand up to the .

iron plumbing lobby. I story about lobbies. So I introduced ed, uh, raw milk bill in congress.

And you, food freedom and power, small farmers, it's more nutritious. I thought there was nothing to hate about IT. I got twenty coast sponsors, I put in hopper.

I got my H. R. number. And that day the milk lobe comes after me.

Like they said, there wouldn't be enough hospital rings for all the children who were going to die from raw milk if my bill passed. And this is kind of weird. You ve got a lobby going after its own product, the milk clubbed. So my wife saw all these things come up on her alerts, on her phone and SHE text to me. He was worried about me, SHE says, O, M, G, I didn't realize the lactose lobby was this intolerant.

Oh, that's brilliant. You said that that's pretty awesome. Time is mancy.

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