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All right, my guest tonight is the host of The O'Reilly Factor on the Fox News program channel. His new book is called Killing Patton, The Strange Death of World War II's Most Audacious General. Please welcome back to our program, Mr. William O'Reilly. William! Have a seat. I'm glad given the Ebola scare you still are shaking my hand. I think that's a positive step. I know you're very frightened and I just want to tell you everything's going to be okay.

There you go, baby. Keep that going. That's settled down. The book is called Bill O'Reilly Killing Patton. It's like the eighth. We're just going to call this series Killing Trees. They sell like crazy. It's wonderful. You didn't read it, though, huh? No, I did not read it. Listen to me. Here's all I want from you today. This is it. This is all we've got to do in this conversation. Okay. Just one. I have one simple goal. Yeah. I want you to admit...

that there is such a thing as white privilege. That's all I want to hear. I knew you would. That's all I want. That's it. Just a little... I just want you to say...

I'm terribly, terribly wrong on this. Okay, look, if there's white privilege, then there has to be Asian privilege. What? Because Asians make more money than whites. What? You don't know any of this, huh? Well, not in Vietnam. What kind of Asian? Asian-Americans. Well, no. Asian-Americans. Depends on where they're from, if you're looking at the study. They're from Asia. They're Asian-Americans.

I understand that, but as a... Okay, they make more money, higher education, more affluent. So it's Asian privilege, not white privilege. You're missing the point. Sorry to confuse you with facts. You're not... It's not the... That's the... Okay, here we go. Yeah.

The Asian experience in America, the Asian immigrant experience, is very different from the black experience. So it's really, they're not equivalent. And either way, white people, males, set the system. So that's what privilege is, is that white people set the system that, yes, maybe Asian immigrants, once immigration policy was liberalized, have done better over these past 30 or 40 years. But there has been a systemic, systemic...

systematized subjugation of the black community. Would you not agree with that? Sure. That was then. This is now. Oh, it's no... There was white privilege, but it no longer exists. Maybe you haven't figured out that there is no more slavery, no more Jim Crow, right? And the most powerful man in the world is... Oh, boy. Here we go.

A black American. Oh, boy. And the most powerful woman in the world, Oprah Winfrey, is black. Okay? Being able to give people a free car does not make you the most powerful woman in the world. But listen, listen, Kosey, because I see... Don't mess with Oprah. I see the issue here. You don't believe that the residual effect of... I mean, slavery and Jim Crow are dead.

but the residual effects of that systemic subjugation exist today. It absolutely exists today. Let's go a different way. It exists for every race, not at that extent. So that's white? But you don't put forth this, oh, white privilege, and if you fail, that's why you fail. America is now a place where if you work hard, get educated, and an honest person, you can succeed. That's what should be put out

there. Not all this other stuff. You are carrying more of a burden as a black person in this country than a white person in this country. Collectively, yes, but not... No, individually. Listen. They don't stop and frisk Wall Street bankers, even though they've done far more damage to the economy. They don't stop and frisk. White people... White people...

White people do more drugs in this country than black people, but black people make up a far higher majority of drug addicts. Do you know why that is?

Yes. You do know why that is. Why is that? Because black people, it's about real estate to some extent. There has been a systemic subjugation through real estate. Black people are ghettoized in this country. They're forced to live there. They have to live there. Is that what you're telling me? Oh, you're getting to a bad place, my friend. What made you cultured? Do you think your upbringing gave you values, ethics? Yes. Yes, it did. You

You didn't grow up rich, right? No, we didn't have much money at all. I did. You worked hard. Right. You lived where? Levittown. Levittown. New York. So it gave you a nice stable, a cheap home. There was no down payments. It was this incredible opportunity. No, those houses were subsidized. Yeah.

It wasn't lavish. No, they weren't subsidized. They were sold to GIs, and the GIs got a mortgage they could afford. Look, he's making a huge mistake. No, no, no, no, no. Let me just ask you a question. Yes. Did that upbringing leave a mark on you even today? Of course. Every upbringing leaves a mark on people. Could black people live in Levittown? Not at that time. They could not.

So that, my friend, is what we call in the business white privilege. Okay. That was in 19... No. That... That was in 1950, all right? 1950. 1950. Were there black people living there in 1960? In Levittown? Yes. I don't know. There weren't. How do you know? Because I read up on it. Oh, you read up.

You don't know that. I do know that. I can find somebody. My point is this. Even today. Why would you want to live there? It's a nice place, but it's not a place like you. It's not like Bel Air. Because it's a place that built values. What you don't understand is. There were millions of black neighborhoods that built values. But imagine growing up knowing that you as an American, as a GI who fought in World War II. Yeah. Couldn't build.

buy into that because you were less. It was unfair. You were not good enough. It was unfair. And the residue of that continues today, and that is white privilege. All right. If you want to say it's white privilege because whites didn't have it as bad as blacks, fine. But that's not what's happening here in contemporary society. Yes, it is. No, it's not. Let me repeat this, and I'll do it slowly. Slowly.

All right. So even you can understand. All right, all right. If you work hard, if you get educated, if you're an honest person, you can make it in America. If you live in a neighborhood where people are... Poverty is endemic. Yeah. It's harder to work hard.

It's harder to get an education. It's harder for me than it was for the white guy in Garden City. It's all relative. Yes, it's harder if you're a ghetto kid. Yes. But can you do it? Yes. Yes, you can. So what I don't understand is why so defensive about it? Why is it that white people get so defensive about this? I'm not saying that life isn't hard.

Middle-class white guys that are working hard to do what they can, and they look and they go, "I'm not getting any privilege." That's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is,

a group of people that were brought here. They didn't choose to immigrate here to get that better life. And just acknowledge that our country's had a problem with that. People acknowledge that who are fair-minded. But you don't then take that and then condemn the modern society because of... You know what I'll call it? I'll call it this, and it's a word I think you'll understand. A factor. It's a factor. It's a factor. I'll give you the factor. I'll give you the factor.

Your humility has moved me. You are like Pope Francis that has taken the Catholic Church into an era of acceptance and humility. You, you, Bill O'Reilly, can lead the flock of the fox fearful to a better place. I believe in you.

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My guest tonight is a conservative commentator with her own show on the Blaze Network. Please welcome Tommy Lahren. I'm in the lion's den, Trevor. I'm not a lion at all. Is that like an African thing? No. Welcome to the show. Before we get into it, I know who you are because my Facebook feed has you in it. There are a lot of people who don't, so if you don't know Tommy Lahren, this is a little taste of her show.

The protesters are still out in force, but let's be honest, they're not protesters. They're crybabies with nothing better to do than meander around the streets with their participation trophies and false sense of purpose. This isn't for Hillary. I'm not even sure this is against Trump. It's the same thing we've seen time and time again with these so-called protesters and demonstrators. It started with the Occupy Wall Street brats, moved on to the more militant, overtly aggressive Black Lives Matter more crowd, cycled through

Through the DNC paid violence instigators and now here we are in November of 2016 with President-elect Donald Trump and a crowd of misfit babies formed from every failed movement all sandwiched together to become the largest group of whiners the country has ever seen. Alright. Pretty much covers it, doesn't it Trevor? Quick question, like, why are you so angry?

I'm actually not that angry. It's just there's things that need to be said, Trevor, and a lot of people are afraid to say them. In an angry way. I mean, you can't say you're not angry and, I mean, this is what you're known for. It's a strange thing to say, I'm not angry, but that is the one thing. It's like Ellen saying, I don't like dancing. It's like, yeah, you do, Ellen. You do. You are angry about everything, it seems. Sometimes people just need to be called in their s***. You know? I mean, when... When you say your s***,

- What in particular? 'Cause this is the thing. - Well, when you're protesting a fair and free election, that to me, you get called in your a little bit. It's time to clear the streets, it's time to accept reality, it's time to move on, time to make America great again. - You consider yourself a conservative? - I do. - Okay. - I mean, I'm a millennial, so I don't really like labels, but yes, I'm conservative in thought.

Sorry, my brain. You just gave a label to say you don't like labels. But anyway, um... We exist on a spectrum, Trevor. No, no, no. I mean, would you consider yourself a liberal? That was just funny. That was just funny. It was just a funny moment. I'm a millennial. I didn't surprise you. It's just funny. In terms of Black Lives Matter, like, you know, you have quite a record. For somebody who is not racist, you have to spend a lot of time saying, I'm not racist. What is your biggest issue with Black Lives Matter?

I think, and I've said this many times, it started with good intentions. I think it was. It was well-intentioned. The moment that they started pushing "Hands up, don't shoot," which is a false narrative, proven time and time again to be a false narrative, the minute that that became their slogan, the minute that protesting turned into rioting and looting and burning and militant actions, that's when I lost respect for Black Lives Matter.

Okay, but now here's my thing. Let's address each of these things one by one. When you go protesting, turning into rioting and looting, that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon. That is what happens when there is a protest a lot of the time. There were people who rioted and looted when teams won in Chicago years ago. It doesn't mean that they are now bad people. That's what happens. There are some bad people in every instance. Going back to Black Lives Matter, though, for you to say that, you say they have good intentions, they had the good intentions. How are you labeling out the actions of a few and condemning an entire group?

- I don't understand that. - Because they subscribe to the Black Lives Matter movement. They say, "We are the Black Lives Matter movement. "Fry 'em like bacon. F the police." - They are saying those things. - These are a few people. These are a few people. This is not the Black Lives Matter pro-- That is not the platform, though. I saw it in my city of Dallas. I saw what a Black Lives Matter protest looked like. And I saw five fallen officers because of it. - So I've seen-- - That's not fair, and that's true. No, no, no, no, no, it is fair, Trevor, because the shooter said

Point-blank shooter said he's doing this because of Black Lives Matter. Yes, and there are many things you can say. I mean, if you go outside, you can say anything about doing something because of you cannot deny that the man had mental issues as well and he was in a tough place. Just because you say the thing doesn't mean it's what it stands for, right? Because you're the same person... Did he feel emboldened? You're the same person who argued on your show that just because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK doesn't mean he's in the KKK. So it goes against that argument. He didn't say it.

It goes against that. You can't say he did it because of. Nope, nope. But he, the shooter, said I am... Yes, but Black Lives Matter has never said go out and shoot people. I'm saying you're saying this to your audience, and I honestly do not understand where you're getting that from. Just because a person... What if somebody says, I felt emboldened by Tommy Lahren, and so I went out and I shot black people? Are you now responsible? Is that your platform? But it's not one or two people. If you look at it... How many people is it?

Look at the protests that have gone on in Baltimore, in Ferguson, in New York City, the protests that have now turned to anti-Trump protests. These are not a few people. This is mass crowds of people. They're doing it as the name of Michael Brown. They're doing it as the name of Freddie Gray. They're doing it as the front of Black Lives Matter, and the mainstream media is emboldening these people. Okay, so then let's use that same logic that you're using then, and then go police. Are the police racist?

Because police in many cities, you look at Baltimore, you look at what happened in New York, you look at what happened in the case of Walter Scott, you tell me are police racist because they've been shown to harass black people unfairly, they've been shown to shoot black people when they're unarmed. Does that mean the police are racist then? 'Cause that's the same logic you're using. - It's really not though, Trevor, because the mainstream media is not emboldening them as a group. It's not. And did you know that a black man is 18.5 times more likely to shoot a police officer than a police officer is to shoot a black man? Those are statistics no one wants to talk about.

Here's the thing. So let me ask you this then. If you say, as you said when you walked out, I'm not as mean as people think I am. I'm not the person that people think I am. What do you wish people would understand about you that are in another bubble? What do you wish people would understand about you on the other side?

I wish that we could disagree with each other without thinking that we are bad people or ill-intentioned folks. So because I criticize a black person or I criticize the Black Lives Matter movement, that doesn't mean that I am anti-black. It does not mean that I don't like black people or that I'm a racist. It means I'm criticizing a movement. I criticize Colin Kaepernick. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in his First Amendment rights. It means that I believe in my First Amendment rights to criticize him. So it doesn't make me a bad person. It doesn't make me a racist.

To point out, I mean, I've never used racial slurs to address people. I've never looked down on someone because of their skin color. To me, true diversity is diversity of thought, not diversity of color. I don't see color. I go after Hillary Clinton and she is white as they come.

You don't see color. So what do you do at a traffic light? I don't believe in that at all when people say that. There's nothing wrong with seeing color. It's how you treat color that's more important. You're right. It is. Here's my thing. Like, all these points that you make are great, and I do believe that you believe them. And I don't believe anyone is actively trying. There are a few people who are trying to be bad from their point of view. But when I look at what you're saying, you say you're not pushing a racist narrative. You're not... You're criticizing racism.

Do you really believe you're criticizing and you're not malintentioned when you say things like Black Lives Matter is the new KKK? Because you realize Black Lives Matter can't be the new KKK. The KKK is still around. They have not vacated their premises. And most importantly, to say Black Lives Matter is the new KKK is to really, really minimize what the KKK did and what they stand for. That is not the same thing. Surely you understand the incendiary feeling of your comments. You know that, surely.

- It's controversial, but I think there are some things that need to be said. And when the Black Lives Matter movement is going out with signs saying, "Fry 'em like bacon, F the police," when they're going out seeing if you see a white person target them, that is happening, Trevor. That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago. That is happening. So when that now becomes the narrative and you're starting to loot, burn, and riot, what did the KKK do? - That is not, look, we'll go around in circles. Did you say, "What did the KKK do?" - No, what did they do? When you're saying, listen, listen, Trevor.

Wow. Trevor, when you're saying, when there are people in the streets saying if you see a white person beat their ass, does that not sound reminiscent of the KKK or their motives to you? Is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter, or are there people who are saying that within a crowd of other human beings? There is a distinction between a movement and the people. That is something that we keep coming back to. But let's go back to what you were saying on Colin Kaepernick and the national anthem. This is something I don't understand, and when I watch your videos, I go...

I truly do not understand. You say Colin Kaepernick is exercising his First Amendment rights and you are exercising your First Amendment rights in criticizing him. So what you are saying is you have the right to say anything you want, so shut up.

No. Not at all. I'm saying I don't agree with what he did. I think that he went about it the wrong way. I don't think he understands... What is the right way? When people say that, I'm always fascinated. What is the right way? Here's the deal. So here's a black man in America who says, I don't know how to get a message across. If I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug. If I go out and I protest, people say that it's a riot. If I bend down on one knee, then it's not. What is the right way? That is something I've always wanted to know. What is the right way for a black person to get attention in America? Taking an

Taking it out on our flag and our national anthem, to me-- But how? Why would you take out your perceived oppression of black people out on the national anthem and our flag? A country that you live in, a country that you benefit from, a country that people of all races have died for, have died to protect, have died for the vote, died to be enfranchised by this nation. How do you then go and disrespect the flag and the anthem of that country

Why is that the outlet? Well, maybe you're a person who's lived and read through history and you realize that a lot of those people of every color who died for this country, some of them didn't have the rights that their fellow servicemen had when they came back to the country after fighting for it. And that flag needs a lot to go to.

Maybe you're one of those people who realizes that the penal system in America was designed to oppress black people. It was designed to enslave people. It is a relic of slavery. Maybe you're one of those people. So what I don't understand is a guy is kneeling in the corner. I don't understand why that offends you so much. It's not even like he's trying to sing over you. If he was doing that, he's like, oh, say, oh, say, can me see? No. No.

He's singing. He's not doing anything that affects you. I don't understand why it gets to you. I genuinely don't. He's in a corner kneeling by himself. Why does that offend you so much?

For me, I know what that flag means to me. I know what that flag means to those that are fighting for our country right now. It's bigger than a piece of cloth. It's a symbol of patriotism. Our national anthem has meant a lot to a lot of people. It's got a lot of people through very hard times. And this country, it's got its scars, it's got its wounds, it's got its history. But I still believe it's the greatest nation on the face of the earth. And I believe if you live in this country, you can want to better it. But to disrespect our flag and our anthem in that way and not be your outlet to get out whatever aggression you have, whether it be passive or active aggression, I

I disagree with it. And so he has every right to do it. That's his First Amendment rights. And I agree with his First Amendment right to do it. I don't agree with what he did. So because I don't agree with what he did, then now I should shut up? Because I'm white, so I should shut up? I shouldn't be able to talk about black issues because I'm white? No one brought up whites at all. I never said that. I don't see color. I...

I don't think that that's what the argument is. What I'm saying is, I asked you one question, and that is, how should a black person bring up their grievances? That's all I ask. How? If that's not the right way, if marching isn't the right way, what is the right way?

When you talk, what he said was he is protesting the anthem and the flag because of the oppression of black people in this country. I would like him to further explain what he's talking about when he's discussing the black oppression in this country. Which he has. Also, is it against police? Is it against the government? I'm not sure what oppression he's discussing. I would love to have him come on my show and discuss it with me.

To me, when you make the flag and you make the anthem the outlet for your anger or the outlet through which you're going to protest your country that you live in and you reside in that you take $19 million a year from, I don't think that that is the correct outlet for your anger. So what is he protesting? Again, you haven't answered my question of how.

how you want black people. I'm just asking how. And I'm asking you honestly. I'm not saying in a challenging way. I'm saying to you, I don't know the answer apart from these methods. So I would like to know if you've ever thought of a how because you're the first person I've met who said this. I've seen this message online. I'm not labeling you as the bad person. I just want to know if you've ever thought of the how. That's all I want to know.

For me, I think there are a lot of folks in this country-- I, being a woman, um, I didn't have rights after black people until women got the right to vote. But because I feel like I'm a woman and I'm marginalized in some way, I don't protest my country. I don't see what he's protesting. I would like to know exactly what he is protesting. It's a very... So how do you-- no, no. How do you protest, then? That's what I'm... I don't protest because I'm not a victim. I guess we can... we can go back and forth on a lot of these issues. Um, it's-it's an interesting place to be in because

Honestly, you've won, you know? Like, your side has won, as you say. You know, the liberal snowflakes are melting in the streets as they protest. And now I would like to know from your side, genuinely, as someone who's won, do you believe that Donald Trump will follow through on his promises? I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't. I am not somebody that gets on the cheerleading bandwagon. If he does something I disagree with,

I will discuss it. I did before I was a Trump supporter. I was critical of Trump. I was a Marco Rubio girl for a long time. And then I started to see that was going to be our nominee. And I said, it's him or Hillary. A lot of Americans were in that position. And then I got closer to the campaign and I started seeing some of the things he was saying. And I started seeing the effect he was having on people and the things that he was saying that was touching people and making them feel like they were. He was touching people. Yeah, he was. He really was. Hillary could use some of that every now and then, right? Bill's

Bill's a little busy. Bill's a little busy. I appreciate you being on the show. Thank you so much for being here. My guest tonight is the senior senator from South Carolina with whom I served in the United States Senate. Please welcome Senator Lindsey Graham. Good to see you. Thanks, man. Well... Well...

Thanks for coming, man. This is what happens, right? I'm hopeful we'll find some common ground. There's always hope. And, well, we were friends. Yes, were. Well, there's been a strain on it. We are friends, but there's been some strain in terms of your politics. Yeah. Well, you know.

But let's find some common ground. For example, Ukraine. We both believe that this is the vital interest of the United States. Yeah, Putin sucks. That's common ground, right? And he should be in jail. How about that? Maybe not so much on Trump, but definitely on Putin. Yeah. Yeah. Putin's slightly more serious, but there's some serious charges against Trump. Okay. But nevertheless...

There are some Republicans, and we mentioned Ron DeSantis, the governor, who doesn't agree with you and me. Well, you know, it's a free country. But let me just say this. If this is not in our vital interest, what would be? To have a guy invade another country, rewrite the map of Europe by force of arms, does this bring back any memories? Sign an agreement, tears it up?

And he's gotten an arrest warrant from the ICC, which has done a great job. And they want to arrest him because he's taken Ukrainian children, kidnapped them for their families, and sent them to Russia. Other than that, this doesn't matter to us.

I don't want to live in a world where that crap goes on without punishment. You seem a little critical of Biden for the planes not being there yet. Yeah, I think we should. And the tanks not getting there earlier. Or our tanks not there. The German tanks are getting there. Anybody's tank. Just send a tank. But, you know, I want to quote some stuff that Trump said. This is what he told him. A guy named Sean Hannity. I have no idea who he is. Yeah.

This is what Donald Trump said. I could have negotiated. At worst, I could have made a deal to take over something. You know, there are certain areas that are Russian-speaking areas, frankly, but you could have worked a deal. This is what he's saying. This is what your guy, that you want to be president, said.

After the war has started, where my guy, who I want to get reelected, had organized the coalition and started and had stood up and said, no, we're not going to allow this to happen. So I think, yeah, you know. We've got 24 election is coming, but I think we've got a chance here in the near term, really.

WITH THE PROPER MILITARY SUPPORT, CONTINUED ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE TO THE UKRAINE, FOR THE UKRAINIANS TO DECIMATE THE RUSSIAN ARMY IN UKRAINE. THEY JUST NEED THE WEAPONS TO DO IT. AND WOULDN'T THAT BE A GREAT OUTCOME TO A VERY TRAGIC EVENT? IT WOULD BE. AND YOU TALKED TO SOME OF YOUR OTHER REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN, I KNOW. YOU'RE VERY CLOSE. TONS OF TIME.

I'm trying to get the space later laser taken down, but...

We'll see how that works. Yeah, that was a Jewish space laser, but she said it was... I always thought it'd be funny to have a laser with a yarmulke on it just flying around. Apparently nobody else did, so... She has seen it. Well, you know what? I think what we should do is take a quick break. Okay, and pay the bills. And we'll be right back with Senator Lindsey Graham right after an important message from my pillow guy.

Welcome. Welcome back to The Daily Show. We're here with Senator Lindsey Graham. You know, Lindsey, you asked me during the break what I'm doing, and part of what I've been doing is the only former U.S. senator currently on tour tour. And when the audience has asked me, they say, who's the funniest senator?

U.S. Senator while you were there, and I always say Lindsey Graham, and they always hate it because they're my crowd. And then I tell them this. When you were running for president in '16 -- -Y'all remember that? -Yeah, I remember. -You were the only ones there. -You were, like, 2% at one point. -Yeah, that was -- I peaked. -So, one day, I go -- I go into the Senate bathroom, and I turn to you, and I say, "Lindsey,

If I were a Republican, I'd vote for you for president. And you said... That's my problem. Okay, let's talk about... You said this week that these charges or these charges in New York might actually help Trump. What did you mean by that? I think, well, the Republicans will help Trump because...

THE SIR SPANCE WAS THE PREVIOUS PROSECUTOR. HE LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID NO THANK YOU. THE U.S. ATTORNEY LOOKED AT IT AND SAID NO THANK YOU. THIS GUY COMES ALONG, ALVIN BRAGG, AND HE'S NOW GOING TO PROSECUTE TRUMP TAKING A MISDEMEANOR TO A FELONY BY MERGING TWO STATUTES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN USED BEFORE. IT'S IN NEW YORK AND MOST PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE THINK IT'S A NEVER ENDING EFFORT TO TAKE A WRECKING BALL TO TRUMP. SO, YEAH, I THINK IT WILL HELP HIM.

that's meaningful in this country is the peaceful transition of power, right? How then can you want a guy who allowed us to go through this violent insurrection

REALLY? TO BE PRESIDENT AGAIN. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY IS THAT WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, ON THE THINGS THAT I CARE THE MOST ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY, I THOUGHT HE DID A DAMN GOOD JOB. I LOOK AT THE POLICIES OF TRUMP, AND I LIKE THE POLICIES OF TRUMP, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE'S GOT TO PROVE TO PEOPLE, NOT ME, THAT HE'S ABLE TO LEAD US AGAIN, AND THAT WILL BE A CHALLENGE FOR HIM, AND THAT WILL BE A CHALLENGE FOR BIDEN TO SAY, GIVE ME FOUR MORE YEARS AFTER THE LAST FOUR. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Well, I think Biden wins that, but we don't have to say yes or no. Can we bet? Yeah, how much? 20 bucks. But get back to the point. You've got to come to grips with the idea. A lot of Americans believe that Trump was a good president, but they don't like what he did or what he said. And this is going to be a real contest in 2024. It will be a real contest, my friend. Well, I think the Florida governor is going to make it a real contest. Yeah, no, we got a deep bench on our side.

We have a deep itch. And so do we. I made him speechless. This is the highlight of my life. He's done it. He's done it. I just think this guy is, I mean, okay, I'll say it. I just think he's a pathological liar. And I don't mean to be harsh because I know he's your friend. Well, it's all right. And a malignant narcissist. And...

And he chose some good people to be in his administration at first, but it seemed like as those guys went, those men and women went, he brought in worse and worse people. And I just, I don't know how the American people are going to re-elect this guy. I understand the MAGA voters are still loyal. It's not just about MAGA voters, because don't take this wrongly, he can survive your criticism.

He's going to be. Al Franken is down on Trump. It's not the end of Trump. Listen, I know you think Trump's horrible for the country, and a lot of people believe that he can fix the problems that we're suffering under now. But here's the good news. We'll have an election, and they will decide. That's it.

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My guest tonight, a lawyer, a pundit, an author. Her first book was High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Her latest is called Slander, Liberal Lies About the American Right. Please welcome Ann Coulter. Ann, thanks for coming. Thank you. I read the book. That makes you so much better than most people interviewing you. Is that true? Oh, yeah. Can I tell you something?

I also don't really know how to read. So it was very... But I wanted to read you something because I thought this was mind-boggling. This is in the first... It's basically a book concerning the conservative movement versus the liberal movement. It says... This is on the very beginning. Liberals hate America. They hate flag waivers. They hate abortion opponents. They hate all religions except Islam, post 9-11. Okay.

Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. I've got to tell you, we've got to find these people, these liberals, and get them the hell out of here. They sound like terrible, terrible people.

Yes, it's a different stage from terrorism. The liberals? Yes. Are you that mad? Who are they? Because I read the whole book, and there's some interesting points in there, especially about the media. But do you feel, are they like Canadians? Do they look like us? No, they do look, we're living amongst them. Here in New York, L.A. How many, though? Well, you can see the breakdown in the last election from the red states and the blue states, and I notice that it's, you know, where all the...

Rich Hollywood liberals Park Avenue matrons are... No, no, no, wait a second. So are you saying... So everyone who votes Democratic then is liberal? Well, not entirely, but certainly... I mean, there are a few little old ladies who still think it's FDR, but, you know, most of the Democratic Party. But obviously I'm talking about the leaders of that and the people paying attention. The Democratic Party has leaders? I, uh... That should be in the book. I'd love a list of that.

I don't notice where they are. You know what? Because it strikes me as an old, the liberal conservative battle almost seems like an older paradigm. You know what I mean? Like you and Carville or like the Japanese soldiers in 1953 that they'd find on islands that are like, we're still fighting, right? Right.

Like, it almost feels like a battle that is, you know, quisp and quake. It was decided years ago, and it's not still going on. No, that's what I think. But they're still around, and they're still, for example, griping about this war. I mean, it really is stunning. Wait, you're griping about which war? The war on terrorism. Oh. We're in it right now. Right.

It really is stunning. You do a LexisNexis search and look up flag-waving. Liberals use that as an epithet. Flag-waving. Flag-waving. Flag-wavers. That's, you know, it's like the Yahoo's jingoism. I read the papers. I read what they call it there, the sports papers, the funny papers. I have not seen a great wave of dissent from this war. As a matter of fact, I would say, and the Persian Gulf War was a very popular war as well, I'd say this is the most popular war

uh... military battle that i've ever experience i mean very few dissenting voice no that's true though that's because americans are paying attention we were grievously attacked and consequently liberals do have to hide their naysaying too much but i mean consider they they've complained about military tribunals they've complained about the detention of suspects of guantanamo they've complained about the monitoring of terrorists

phone conversations they've complained about, Ashcroft rounding the terrorists, I mean, every aspect of this. Right. Whenever they're losing on substance, they claim it's just a procedural objection. That's our only objection. Now, the they, I can't help but think that this is a tiny group of people like Keebler elves, for instance. You know, I mean, in terms of the more knee-jerk

reactionary version of it. I sort of liken Carville. I put him in that category. Well, I barely discuss him in my book because I think he is like the Keebler elves. That really is not the concern. It is... It's a large... You have a much larger concern. The people delivering news and basically all of the Democratic Party is...

And all the people who vote Democratic? No, I wouldn't really throw the voters in. I mean, I'm not talking about the little old lady next door. Right. But I mean, it certainly is true that these leaders of the Democratic Party, Leahy, Byrd, Daschle, you know, they just have these sort of vague, nonspecific gripes about how Bush is handling the war. Well, when's it going to be over? When's it going to be over? They're like little kids on a car trip. I don't know. We're moving in the right direction. We'll tell you when we get there. To be fair, it is. I've been on car trips. And if you do have to go, you have to go. I mean, it is. To be fair.

No, I think, to be fair, there are some legitimate points of dissent to be made. I think it's probably, you know, they may be slightly nonspecific out of the sort of fear of not wanting to criticize a wartime president. In many respects, the lack of specificity may actually be deference rather than a wishy-washy non... I don't think so. I think it's because they know the American... But I don't know if you noticed my hand moved. I think it's because they know the American people would boil them in oil.

I mean, they're looking at voters. They're not looking at being nice to Bush. Now, in your sense, though, so would you consider the Republican Party, then, they're all conservatives and the Democratic Party's all... No, there are a lot of bad Republicans. There are no good Democrats. Oh, except this audience.

No, it's interesting. I honestly feel like I have a different view. My view is that the liberal-conservative battle doesn't matter anymore. It's sort of a dinosaur. The real battle is actually extremism versus moderates. And that liberal versus conservative is an old Moynihan-Goldwater fight that nobody... And I say this with all due respect, gives a s*** about anymore. And the real battle is actually extremism versus moderation. Well, you can call it something different, but I do think...

But I think that actually... I do think it's extremist to be complaining about the war, complaining about how long it's taken, complaining about the detention of suspects. I mean, I happen to think America has been grievously attacked, and we should be responding with absolute overwhelming force. And instead, we have all this naysaying, so you can call it liberal or you can call it extremist. And this country, if anything, is not about naysaying. LAUGHTER

So toe the line, kids. What happened? Wait a minute. You convinced me. How did you do it?

Yeah, it's, you know, here's the thing. I feel like if we were both drunk, we'd probably end up agreeing.

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