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The Day The Dinosaurs Died

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Aisha Roscoe
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Aisha Roscoe: 我将讲述一个关于第五次物种大灭绝的故事,它导致地球上约50%的动植物消失。最近,科学家们发现了更多关于那次物种大灭绝事件的细节,新泽西州的曼图亚有一个古生物学博物馆和化石挖掘点,科学家们在那里发现了关于小行星撞击后几天甚至几小时内发生的事情的新线索。我邀请了TED Radio Hour的主持人Manoush Zomorodi来谈谈她在Edelman化石公园的报道以及它能给我们带来的启示。 Manoush Zomorodi: 我参观的挖掘地点位于一个购物中心后面,那里有一个美丽的博物馆和一个巨大的坑。这个坑里充满了微小的化石,包括海绵、蛤蜊、蜗牛、牡蛎,以及乌龟、鲨鱼、沧龙,甚至偶尔还能发现恐龙的骨骼碎片。肯·拉科瓦拉曾在世界各地发现了一些最大的化石,包括在阿根廷发现的一种比霸王龙还大的恐龙,他将其命名为“无畏龙”。大约20年前,肯决定回到家乡,在新泽西州附近的罗文大学担任教授,然后他听说了这个采矿场,于是他开始带着学生去那里挖掘,看看他们能发现什么。2007年,肯租下了矿坑的一个角落,真正地挖掘它,那时他意识到自己有了一个巨大的发现。肯称这个骨骼层为灭绝层,它记录了小行星撞击地球并导致第五次物种大灭绝的那一天,是迄今为止最完整的恐龙死亡化石记录。肯·拉科瓦拉希望人们能够亲身触摸地球,真正感受到地球存在的时间有多长,也就是“深层时间”的概念。肯喜欢用一个类比,如果有一本1000页的书代表地球的整个历史,那么人类的经历只是书中的最后一个词。尽管人类存在的时间很短,但我们已经对地球造成了破坏,实际上已经通过气候变化开始了下一次物种大灭绝。如果你热爱某件事物,了解它,你就会努力保护它,他希望帮助人们了解和热爱地球。触摸地球,就像进行了一次疯狂的时间旅行,你手中握着的是存在于泥土中的生命瞬间。肯希望将这种体验带给每个人,尤其是孩子们,让他们以一种触觉的方式感受到与时间、历史和地球的联系。 Ken Lacovara: 地面上布满了化石,包括无脊椎动物化石、蛤蜊、蜗牛、牡蛎等,还有乌龟、鲨鱼、沧龙和硬骨鱼,以及罕见的恐龙。除了这些化石之外,肯和他的团队还发现了一种叫做铱的金属,这种金属通常只在小行星中发现。小行星撞击发生在距离这里1500英里的尤卡坦半岛,也就是现在的墨西哥,它在地球地壳上炸出了一个直径约110英里、深12英里的陨石坑。小行星撞击8.5分钟后,一场10.3级的地震席卷了整个大陆,可能将最大的恐龙震倒。最致命的时刻发生在小行星撞击后约16分钟。所有物质都被炸到大气层中,进入近地轨道,被粉碎成毫米大小的碎片,但仍然具有所有的质量,当这些物质返回时,必须平衡能量,导致全球气温在第一小时内升至烤箱和披萨烤箱之间。统治地球陆地生态系统1.65亿年的恐龙,在撞击后一小时内实际上已经灭绝。如果你不能像小型哺乳动物、鳄鱼、蜥蜴或乌龟那样,找到一个可以躲藏的洞穴,那么你就会在地球表面死亡,而恐龙似乎没有地方可以躲藏。也许有一些幸存者,但恐龙在那个时刻实际上已经灭绝。几个小时后,一场可能超过130英尺高的海啸会冲击海岸,将死去的恐龙冲到海里,沉到海底,形成一个骨骼层。这个地点是世界上唯一一个可以看到许多物种在小行星撞击事件中死亡的完整组合的地方,并且有来自小行星的尘埃。来自小行星的尘埃已经在全球350多个地点被发现。这个地点拥有一个完整的崩溃的生态系统,我们已经发现了超过10万块化石,代表了超过100个物种。这些化石与来自墨西哥海岸的撞击的尘埃混合在一起,包括玻璃球、冲击石英和铱。这使得这个地点成为地球上了解导致恐龙灭绝并塑造现代世界的关键灾难性时刻的最佳窗口。这些沉积物被保存在这里,而且由于采矿作业,这里有一个采石场。我们花了14年时间才挖掘了250平方米,这些化石对科学非常重要,所以我们挖掘这些化石是为了我们自己,也是为了未来的科学家。我们必须非常仔细地记录一切,非常仔细地管理这些材料,确保它们永远保存下来,以便200年后的科学家可以研究这些相同的化石。你要寻找曾经是生物的东西,寻找生命的标志,比如图案、形状和对称性。如果你发现一些看起来像随机的泥土块,那可能就是随机的泥土块。这里有化石,我到处都能看到化石。你找到了你的第一块化石,这是一块海绵化石。海绵是一种生活在海底的滤食性生物,它们吸入水,通过纤毛过滤水中的物质,你刚刚发现了一块6600万年前的海绵化石。

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I'm Aisha Roscoe, and you're listening to the Sunday Story from Up First, where we go beyond the news to bring you one big story. About 66 million years ago, something huge happened on our planet. It's known as the fifth mass extinction event, and it wiped out some 50% of plants and animals on Earth.

probably know the basics of the story, an asteroid struck and killed off all the dinosaurs. But recently, scientists have been uncovering more details about what really happened at that pivotal moment in history. Mantua, New Jersey is the site of a new paleontology museum and fossil dig site where scientists are discovering exciting new clues about what happened in the days and even hours after the asteroid hit.

The Edelman Fossil Park and Museum of Rowan University opened this spring to the public, and now anyone who visits has the chance to go down into the quarry to find fossils themselves. When we come back, we go to the fossil site and find out what happened on that fateful day. Stay with us.

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Manoush, welcome to the show. Oh, thanks, Aisha. Glad to be here. So you visited the dig site and the museum before it was open to the public. You got a little sneak preview. And you got a tour from Ken Lacovara, the renowned paleontologist who founded the museum. What was that like?

It was a big surprise, Aisha, because this site is tucked behind a strip mall. It is New Jersey, after all. So there's like a Lowe's hardware store and a Chick-fil-A, and you drive around the bend behind the mall, and there's this beautiful museum with a huge pit in front of it. And Ken took me down into the pit, and you're

you're there and you're like, well, there's just a pile of dirt down here, right? But actually, it is full of tiny fossils, mostly of sponges and clams and snails and oysters, but also bone fragments of turtles, sharks, mosasaurs, and even, yes, an occasional dinosaur.

I mean, that's incredible because anybody would want to find a little dinosaur piece, right? So how did Ken first discover this site in New Jersey? So Ken's actually a Jersey boy, but he spent most of his career traveling all around the globe, discovering some of the biggest fossils ever, including a dinosaur in Argentina that he named Dreadnoughtus. It is bigger than the T-Rex.

Anyway, so about 20 years ago, Ken decides to come home and become a professor at nearby Rowan University in New Jersey. And then he hears about this site. It's a mining quarry. So he starts taking his students down there to get some digging experience, see what they can find.

And they would follow the bulldozers around to see if any fossils would turn up, and occasionally they would. And then finally, in 2007, he rented a corner of the pit and he really excavated it, like, properly. And that is when he realized he had a huge discovery on his hands. Well, what did he find?

Well, at the bottom of the pit, Ken discovered a 66 million year old bone bed. This is a six inch deep layer of dirt that runs across the width of the quarry with over 100,000 fossils from 100 different species from the Cretaceous period. So Ken calls this the extinction layer. This bone bed, Aisha, essentially documents the day that the asteroid hit the Earth and

and caused the fifth extinction. It is the most significant intact fossil record to date of the death of the dinosaurs. I mean, I did not know all these details of what researchers think happened that day. Is it okay if I play you an excerpt from our episode? Yes, absolutely. Let's listen. ♪

The ground is teeming with fossils, if you know how to look for them. So most of them are invertebrate fossils, clams, snails, oysters, things like that. We'll have turtles and sharks and mosasaurs and bony fish, the rare dinosaur. But in addition to all those fossils, the other key thing that Ken and his team have unearthed is a metal called iridium that's usually only found in asteroids.

Ken explained the latest thinking on exactly what happened that day, 66 million years ago, when an asteroid slammed into the Earth. The asteroid impact happens 1,500 miles away from here, off the Yucatan Peninsula in what is now Mexico. It blasts a crater in the Earth's crust that's about 110 miles across by 12 miles deep. So that's roughly the size of Massachusetts, say.

Eight and a half minutes after the asteroid hits, a magnitude 10.3 earthquake rolls across the continent, probably knocking the largest dinosaurs down. But the deadliest moment comes about 16 minutes after the asteroid.

All that material is blasted up through the atmosphere, goes in the low Earth orbit, is pulverized into maybe millimeter-sized pieces, but it still has all the mass. So you've given that mass a tremendous amount of potential gravitational energy. When that stuff comes back in, it's got to balance the energy books. And the result that day, within the first hour, is global temperatures get up somewhere between toaster oven and pizza oven.

So the dinosaurs that have dominated Earth's terrestrial ecosystems for 165 million years, I think are functionally extinct within an hour after that impact. An hour? Yeah. Do we know that for sure? Well, here's what we know. I mean, all dinosaurs lived on land.

Well, that day, if you can't do what little mammals did or crocodiles or lizards or turtles, if you can't get into a burrow somewhere, dig underground somewhere, well, it's between toaster oven and pizza oven. You die on the surface of the earth that day if you don't have a place to hide. And it doesn't look like the dinosaurs had a place to hide. Were there a few stragglers that, you know, maybe were at the mouth of a cave or, you know, swimming at the time? Sure. But I think they were functionally extinct at that moment.

Several hours later, Ken says a tsunami likely over 130 feet high would have crashed into the coast right here, sweeping the dead dinosaurs out to sea where they'd sink down to the ocean floor, creating a bone bed. A bone bed? Yeah.

that is from the exact moment of the asteroid impact. In fact, it's the only place in the world where you can see a complete death assemblage of many, many species that are victims of that event with the fallout from the asteroid. We walk around the site to get a different vantage point. And Ken says that the fallout from the asteroid, tiny pieces of it, have been found in over 350 sites around the world.

but just from the ash, just from the material that falls from the sky. To date, the fossil occurrences in that layer have been very, very meager. There's some fish scales in Belgium. There's a pile of paddlefish and a dinosaur leg in North Dakota. That's about it. This site here that you're looking at has an entire collapsed ecosystem at that moment. We've recovered over 100,000 fossils representing over 100 species.

and they are interbedded with the fallout from that impact that happened off the coast of Mexico. So we have little glass spherules that rain down from the sky, little grains of what we call shocked quartz, and we have a spike in the level of the metal iridium, which is very, very rare in the crust of the Earth, but very much more abundant in asteroids. And so this makes this the best window on the planet into that pivotal calamitous moment that wiped out the dinosaurs and really made the modern world as we know it. Why here?

Well, I mean, it was everywhere. We happen to have those deposits preserved here, and then we had a quarry here because of the mining operation since the first one of those that have been found. Are there any others? Oh, there must be. You could probably go under the Lowe's and find these same deposits or the Chick-fil-A. How do you stop yourself from just wanting to dig up everywhere here?

Well, I kind of do, but you know. It's taken us 14 years to excavate only 250 square meters. And these fossils are very important to science, and so we excavate these for ourselves, but for future scientists as well. And so we have to document everything very carefully, curate the material very carefully, make sure it's preserved forever, so that scientists 200 years from now can study these same fossils.

I did not realize it happened that fast. Like, that is shocking. I thought it was like months and maybe a year or two and that the world could get that hot that fast. I mean,

I mean, it really, it makes me think of like The Land Before Time, you know, that movie. Oh, yeah, I love that show. It's just like, oh my gosh. So what's the bigger picture here? Like, what does Ken Lacovara hope people come away with after visiting this museum and the fossil site?

Yeah. So the museum and the pit, they just opened to the public. And what he really wants is people to come and touch the earth and really get a sense of just how long this planet has been around. You know, this this idea of deep time.

Ken likes to use this analogy. So like, let's say you have a thousand page book that represents the entire history of the planet. When it comes to the human experience, he says we would be the last word, the last word in the whole book. That is how limited our time here has been.

And even though we haven't been here for very long, we humans have used that short time to wreak havoc. And he says we have actually started the next mass extinction with climate change. But he thinks that if you love something, if you know something, you will work to protect it. And he hopes to help people get to know and love planet Earth.

Okay. Well, that is a beautiful sentiment. Right? Yes. I have to ask, when you were there, did you find a fossil? Well, yes. I needed a little coaching from Ken, to be honest. So let's hear my big moment here. Yes. Let's do that. So what do I do? Well, so you're looking for things that used to be alive. So you want to look for the hallmarks of life, which is...

Pattern, form, symmetry. If you find something that looks like a random clump of dirt, it's probably a random clump of dirt, right? - Okay. - So there are fossils right here. I see some fossils right here. - You do? You see them just like... - I do. I see fossils everywhere. So there you go. You found your first fossil. - That's it? That was easy. - This is a fossil sponge. So a sponge is a little filter feeding...

organism that lives on the sea floor. They draw in water and they have these little cilia, these little hairs, and they filter feed what's in the water. And you just found a 66 million year old fossil sponge. What? That's amazing.

Oh, that's that's that's crazy. Right. I mean, 66 million years old and you're holding it in your hands. Mm hmm. I mean, you know that like to be able to touch history like that, it has to be really cool. Like what like what effect did it have on you?

I think it had exactly that effect. Touching the earth. It was almost too easy, Aisha. Like I reached down and there it was. And there's this crazy time travel that happens that you are holding this moment of life for

that has existed in the dirt, like in your hand. He wants to give that to everyone, especially kids, and start to feel this connection to time, to history, to the planet, really in a tactile way. And that is exactly what I got. Well, thank you, Manoush, for sharing this with us. I learned a lot. Oh, good. Yes, I did too. You have to take your kids, Aisha. It's amazing. I will.

I will. I'll try to convince them. I got family in Jersey, so we'll see. Perfect. Yes. That's Manoush Zomorodi. She is the host of NPR's TED Radio Hour. To learn more about paleontologist Ken Lacovara's work at the Edelman Fossil Park and Museum, check out their episode, The Day the Dinosaurs Die.

This episode of The Sunday Story was produced by Andrew Mambo and Harsha Nahata, with help from James Delahousie. It was edited by Liana Simstrom and Sanaz Meshkenpour. Jimmy Keeley mastered the episodes.

The Sunday Story team includes Justine Yan and Jennifer Schmidt. Irene Noguchi is our executive producer. I'm Aisha Roscoe. Up First is back tomorrow with all the news you need to start your week. Until then, have a great rest of your weekend.

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