The Big Suey: The Dinner to Fix Sports
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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

I started last night's dinner pretty annoyed with Pablo. Yeah, you're welcome, by the way. Oh, yeah. So, first of all, as anyone who knows Pablo and our relationship knows that Pablo has a history of not paying when we go do anything. He paid last night, so I'm proud of you. Thank you so much. Dan Payne. All jokes aside. Oh, you charged it to the game? Yes. I have not.

Don't charge it to the game. His eyebrows went up when you said that. Pablo's going to charge it. You have it wrong. Don't charge it to the game, baby. I have not done anything. He is 100% expensing that meal. I'll have you know. Hey, John. Triple East Lander. John, no business was done last night. Let him know, Skippy. So much business. So much business was done. I do believe. You know, my treat. I do believe I will pay for that. Well, in that case.

Let me tell you what, Pablo, and I'll let you guys be the judge of this situation. The menus were so large, like the largest menus in the world. So you're admitting that you were wrong? No, I'm admitting that it was a very nice thing to go to this level. I mean, literally, like the size of the menu. Love that reference. Bigger. It was like opening up a poster board. Thinner.

It's only two pages. Cheesecake's actually not that big, but it's just 58 pages. It's too much. So this is what happened. I hate that. Yesterday after the show, which again, Pablo, you did a great job hosting. Sullivan, incredible job finding the guests. The video team, outstanding. Yesterday I thought was a really good show, especially for the first time we were all together. We agreed to do a back alley milk chug. We did. With Nick Cirillo, who David Sampson fired and took his pension away. Yeah.

After the show, you're not going to derail me from this. After the show, Pablo said, you want to go to dinner later? And Charlie and I are like, sure. And Pablo said, I got a lot of work to do and pointed to Charlie and asked Charlie to make reservations.

Charlie said, OK. So Charlie and I went to lunch. And during the lunch, Charlie was looking on Rezzy and Charlie and I were talking, you know, Pablo is kind of a restaurant snob. So he actually put a good deal of effort showing me restaurants. You think Pablo like this, you think like this before he finally selected a restaurant.

And so we get back, it's around 4:35 o'clock and Charlie sends a message to the group chat with the Rezzy reservation at a very fine restaurant. To which I just responded, "Okay." And I did too. Yes you did. And Pablo- It was okay. It was totally okay. No, not to you. And Pablo, 30 minutes later said,

I just texted my friend to see if we could get us a table at Carbone. That's not exactly what happened. He didn't say that. That's not exactly what happened. He actually said, check it, because he didn't mention the name of the restaurant. What he said is, I may have a connect to a better restaurant. Would you be open to that? That's not what I said either. What? What?

A lame, look at me, Louie, whack maneuver. The maneuver was... None of this happened. It's nasty work. None of this was documented. It is documented, and I'm happy to read it. And you know you have it, too. So, not to interject too much, but I would like to add that when Pablo assigned the restaurant picking, me and Dominique both...

We're like, are you sure? Yes. You're going to be the one who actually wants to pick the restaurant. You're like, I am too busy. I have grandiose plans recording PTFL. Charlie and I have, and David too, I think we got real husband type energy where it's like, I ain't going to fight over that. Where are we going? Cool. I'm down. Here's the credit card. Let's eat. Pablo? What?

Not as much husbandry. Very high maintenance. There's always one in a group. Yeah. Which is fine. Which is fine. If you want to be that person, then pick the gosh darn restaurant and

And don't have my man stressing trying to make sure that he can accommodate you. And then wait. And then wait. Because you had texted your boy before that. Your connect. As soon as you text your connect. Why are we putting scare quotes around a word I never said? I would never say that. As soon as you text your connect, you text us, hey, working on a reservation. My bad.

Charlie, you're off the hook. That's it. I need the exact phrasing on the connect. Quote, I asked a friend about a reservation at a good restaurant. A connect. Damn close to what I said. If that comes through, there's no penalty to cancel this other restaurant, right? There is a penalty. Question mark?

See, just say let's cancel it. That's the part that's annoying there. Like, you guys cool? I didn't have the reservation yet, guys. That's not the part. That is annoying. It may turn out to be nothing, to be honest. This reservation helps immensely. Thank you, Charlie. I'm trying to manage the feelings of these quote-unquote husbands. So ridiculous. You know why Dominique's actually mad?

Because Pablo was late? No, he's going to Carbone again on Wednesday. Exactly. He's getting double boned. He's getting double boned and he had white pants on. He was afraid of soiling his white pants with expensive ass Italian meatballs, which were delicious. You didn't even order the meatballs.

Again, speaking of your lack of husband energy, Pablo arranged this so we get to the table. I did kind of panic at the ordering stage. It's family style. So like, all right, and Pablo, you arranged this. So pick out what we're going to get. Set it up, Pablo. You guys like family style? It was very stressful.

And so Pablo goes to the restaurant. He orders a bunch of stuff. No damn meatballs. Top three things on the Carbone menu is the meatballs. And I said, excuse me, miss, could you go ahead and put a little meatballs on there? Because I don't want these. They came here. Some people never been here. They may never come back. They don't need meatballs. If anybody wants some lasagna verde, I have like three pounds of it in my fridge, by the way. You took the leftovers? I'm a Golden Corral guy myself. Yeah, me too, brother.

I thought the experience was delightful other than the fact that Pablo was late. My pre-dinner was at Bubba Gump's. Man was late.

Pablo was late. And he's late. You're all staying in the same place, aren't you? Why don't you go together? I got downstairs at 6.57 p.m. And it was 6.55 as appointed. I got down there at 6.50. Samson got down there at 6.53. Charlie got down there at 6.55. You after that. And Chris after that, might I add. No respect. Who works for you. No respect. And Chris's defense. I didn't even know I went.

It was a PTFO you may not know, one of the 29 people who work for Pablo. Billy wouldn't have enjoyed it. We talked a lot about Puerto Rico belonging in the Olympics. I didn't say they didn't belong. We actually had a few interesting conversations, one of which was about sports unions, where I was ready to fight David as I always am, and then he agreed with me. This was the most shocking thing of the entire evening. They agreed?

An in-depth discussion about unions in sports between David Sampson and Dominic Foxworth that ended up being a startling amount of harmony and agreement. I was thinking how upset Dan would have been at that dinner because all he wants is for us to disagree and for there to be issues and problems and everybody fighting in the chaos of it.

But the best part about having an intellectual discourse is sometimes you just lay down your king and say, that is a great point. I'm going to think of it that way. You're right. And everybody should do that during conversations. And you don't often do that on the air. But at the restaurant, we both did that.

I ain't laying nothing down. I won. I won at dinner. I won on the air yesterday. Name a time when I was wrong. I didn't lay down. The king was still standing. I'll have you know. Can I help explain why you guys actually agreed on stuff, though?

I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me how many times I was wrong in a conversation with David Sampson. It's never happened. Never. You're always right. I called Jessica Lucy yesterday, but it's not here. I said in a conversation with David Sampson, I apologize, Jessica Lucy. I like that you're repping that, Juju. Like, you're taking care that we don't possibly sully them. I like that you're repping the word repping. I don't. You were explaining something. So, the thing about unions to both Dominique and David...

And I don't want to step on the points that you guys want to make here, but it's that the actual key to getting what you want inside of one of these boardrooms where owners are negotiating with players is the mutual recognition that a union actually isn't the best way to accomplish the goals that the players especially might actually have.

I think the point that I was making is that there is a fundamental power asymmetry that is almost impossible to address. Like the if you look at the value of one percentage point of revenue for the owners, it equates to a larger sum of money over into perpetuity.

They hand the teams out to their kids. For the players, it equates to tens of thousands of dollars per player, which most likely will be eaten up by the most popular players. So if you're arguing that we need to go on strike in order to get what we want,

actually the players who go on strike will not get what they want. Whereas like other unions, police officers union, you're going to, yeah, teamsters, you may be in that job for 20, 30 years. So the sacrifice that you would make in order to get a larger piece of the pie may over time build up to be worth it. And that's the,

The fundamental, our biggest weapon actually is not a nuclear weapon in the way that we want it to seem. Whereas for them, it actually is. And then you compound that by the fact that they have influence in media and players and owners are both, I think, sensitive to how they're viewed by the fans. But the owners don't get the direct ire from the fans in the way that players do. Because one part...

That I would say is because a lot of people don't know the owners and the second part of it is American people frankly they respect the owners and what the owners have accomplished more than they do the players I've seen some owners get some pretty pretty bad press so but I would say that you have one problem as Owners get younger the Gulf is gonna get even bigger because their time horizons are even longer when you've got octogenarian

who have not won a title, they don't want to shut the game down because they don't want to waste another year without a World Series or without an NBA championship. But you're seeing turnover in ownership ranks, and I think that's going to even unbalance the power even more. And I think also with a lot of the valuations of the teams going up so high, the people who are getting into ownership are collections of people who actually want to make money, which is different than...

older owners who are in this to win championships. Well, it's a different basis. Right. I mean, it's a different reason for owning the team. So then the CBA negotiations becomes about making my investment worthwhile, which is different than...

So there's a different amount of leverage if you don't care about the thing that I care about as much as I care about it. Well, you're seeing it now because private equity. That's the biggest thing going on right now. With private equity being invested into sports teams, they do not care about anything but ROI. And they can pretend they do in the press conference, but no. The way they make their money is by making money. So the question I have then is what is the actual leverage? What's the most leverage? What is the actual nuclear option?

for a union, Dominique, when you enter a negotiation against the David Samsons of sports? Well,

The nuclear option is something that's incredibly risky for both sides. It's to decertify the union. To disband the union and become an association. And that would then expose the league to antitrust laws. Because right now they can exist as a legal cartel. Because we're protected by the union, all the teams can cooperate. If you disband it, which is how we got free agency in football, is what a lot of people don't know, that the settlement...

A part of the settlement was that the NFL required that we reconvene as a union because that gives them the protection to not expose themselves to trouble damages. But the problem is then you open it up to the legal system and depends on what judge you get, they might then decide that you're still in the wrong. So it's a real tough place to be in for a union. You'd have a hard time arguing that the NFL players would be better off not in a union today.

Back then, I absolutely understand why that path happened. But the antitrust, as we saw with the lawsuit going on with the NFL right now over Sunday ticket, that was really over the antitrust exemption as it relates to broadcasting. And the argument was, is that exemption for over the air? Does it apply to these streaming services? So that is a bigger legal issue that the owners are dealing with. And that impacts players because of the way you share revenue. Man, what an obnoxious dinner this was last night. It was something.

It wasn't obnoxious. It was... I loved it. Here's how I'll fix everything. It was kind of that, actually. We all sort of said, as the greatest representative of the class of people that we work inside of, what would we do? And David Sampson, if a union were to decertify, disband, and then enter that process, what would the response be from owners, briefly?

Very briefly, what owners would simply say is we're going to not do this. We don't need to do a CBA. We don't need to protect any of the majority of the union, which is the union's meant to protect the bottom. So we're going to just let the bottom people, we're going to let them disappear. And we're only going to deal with the elite elite.

It's a dream, actually. Yeah, there will be no floor. There'll be no salary cap. There'll be no draft. All the illegal things that you do. There'll be no revenue sharing. So I think that a lot of the smaller market teams would be pissed. The big market teams would be happier. And then they would declare this. I think that there shouldn't be a mental health month anymore.

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The entire dinner wasn't pretentious. We had some other fun conversation. Talked about fatherhood. We did talk about fatherhood. Mistakes that we all have made. Mistakes that we'll probably make. Yeah. Relationships and going forward. Mistakes made there.

I would like to say one last thing about our pretenders conversation. I'm shocked that you want the last word against David Sampson. Not against. Why are they trying to pit us against each other, man? Well, you do that. Huh? No, I don't. You don't need Pablo's help. I don't do it. I just feel like sometimes you say things that have to be refuted aggressively. What do you want to refute? Yes, Dominique. Nothing. It's nothing that—good job. You learned from yesterday. I don't want to refute anything. I think that the way that you set up the question about to allow me to get into decertification, I think—

was perfect. But I would say that I want to make it clear that I think it's an incredibly risky maneuver. It's something I've been talking about for probably close to a decade now. It was a radical take that if I'm giving control of the union, I'm going to disband this union. It was, I mean, it's, yeah. And I think it's, it probably is still you're at a disadvantage and also like to the point you were making. And I think this could lead us into a conversation about the Sunday ticket suit is that not only

not only do the players benefit from the protections that the union provide, including a salary floor and benefits and all those sorts of things,

But they benefit from the fact that the league is allowed to behave as a cartel in the marketplace. And they can function as one unit in order to do things like sell TV rights, which raises the revenue, which increases the players' salaries. But life is pretty good for a lot of players in professional sports. It's good enough that I think it

Not many of them are interested in taking the risk that they would have to take to gain advantage. See, I think it's only good for a few. So I'm interested in your—you obviously are way more involved in the NFL union. Do you believe that your union is truly represented—the majority of people, I would assume, are at the bottom—

And don't make it, don't ever get rich playing football. Agreed. I think that it is, you're probably right. It's best for the people at the top. The problem is the people at the bottom, the way that, again, and this is very strategic of leagues in general, by creating a max or minimum salary that changes based on how many years you spent in the league, you force out the guys who aren't great.

And you get three, you get guys back in the league for three more years who will only be in the league for three more years. So they do not have the level of cachet or buy-in to be willing to sacrifice enough to get the gains that they need. The people who are in the league long enough and in the union long enough have signed big contracts.

And those are the guys who are like, hey, let's blow this all up to fix it for these other guys that we barely even know. Hell no. It speaks to the power dynamics, which are all based on the time horizon in CBA negotiations. What you're saying there is that because there's a minimum amount of time that you need to have been in the league, employed, to qualify for something like a pension and be vested, you have...

GMs that are cutting people loose before that if they're not actually worth the extra cost that getting them to the program. Not exactly. I wouldn't say that at all. Yeah, not exactly. I think the point that I'm making is that

In order to – so no one grows up saying, I can't wait to get in the union so I can participate in a CBA negotiation fight or a labor stoppage. They want to get to the NFL to play. So it takes more than three to five years for guys to understand, whoa, we're not getting a fair shake. And by that time, if you're still in the league, you have graduated from

From the group that is getting the short end of the stick to the group that is making enough money that I don't want to create waves. So it's hard to galvanize an entire group when the way that CBA is structured, there's a divide right down the middle, or not even down the middle. There's 25% of the league that's getting caked up. Then everyone else is in and out a revolving door. I can see Chris falling asleep. All I'm missing right now is a little spicy rigatoni. And then a little nap right around the corner. I got a little pick-me-up.

Billy Gill. Me? What's good? What's good? All my friends are here today. Nice. Dominique, what's good? Yeah.

Undefeated in debates versus David Sampson. Charlie Kravitz swears that dinner was more interesting than this. We talked about this for five minutes. It was mostly drinking, eating pasta, hanging out. I asked him, this is all dinner yesterday? He's like, this lasts like five minutes yesterday. We got to this conversation because I was telling him that one of the biggest mistakes that I felt that I made at the basketball union was...

Just hubris, frankly. Dominic, they don't want to hear your stories behind the closed doors of how rich people in sports actually operate. They're too sleepy for that, apparently. Did I tell you about the time LeBron James yelled at me? That's a great story. Was Brian there?

That we want to hear. We were at Summer League, and so there are rep meetings, and LeBron was on the executive committee, and I was in the upper management of the union for the basketball team, for the basketball league. You were the COO. Yeah, and so we had a meeting with just them, and it was like Steph, LeBron, Steve Blake was on it. Guys like that were... Where's Steve Blake from? Steph, LeBron, Steve Blake. Where's the Louis button? Where?

Steph LeBron. You're going through all these people you've met with? Yeah. So anyway, we're in the meeting and LeBron really wanted to address lifetime medical for players when they retire. Want to make sure Bronny was covered? And I said that we should make sure that the league pays for that. And LeBron was like, no. We'll ask them to pay for it. If they don't pay for it, we'll pay for it.

And I was like, well, we're in negotiations, sir. So how about we not just go? Mr. King James, sir. I mean, I was younger and more arrogant. More arrogant? Yeah, more. More than now. I wasn't as deferential as I guess he expected. So he put his foot down and essentially was like, no.

We are paying. And it's like an incredibly noble point. And it's like I have no leg to stand on. You're LeBron James. You're also right. And I'm just a new guy who is. So how fast did you give up? I pushed back twice and then he yelled and I was like, we're done. But you guys were on the same side. Yeah. Not in that argument. When you want the infighting like that. It wasn't fighting. It was. You're coming up with your positions, though. Right. Yeah.

You guys don't have infighting? Obviously, everyone has infighting. Yeah, obviously. But having LeBron James try to give a position instead of you, it means he's not letting... It would be as though you want to be the guard you want to play. He hired you to do a job and then didn't let you do it. It also seems weird that you were trying to get more for him and he was like, no, I want less, please. No, I think that...

It was, from his perspective, it was something too important to leave up to us trying to negotiate it, which I respect. He was willing to... It's your job.

Yeah. And I think this is, I'm not, I'm not. And this is where I disagree. And this is where a lot of the problems came at my time with the union was like, is this arrogance that I'm here to do to run this union? When in actuality you are there to enact the will of the players. They own the union. The union's plan is not going to be effective unless everyone, the most important people buy in, which are the players. And if I say LeBron James is,

Shut up. I'm smarter than you. This is the way we do it. If he doesn't believe in it, the players won't believe in it. And then we have no leverage. You have to sell your intelligence better because this is you're bringing up what happens in negotiations when you guys negotiate with your employer, when you negotiate your own contract. Go on. You don't know best about what you should be getting from management.

You are a great example, Pablo. During your contract negotiation, it was like amateur hour. But that's not your job. You're a Harvard-educated PTFO guy, but certainly you were not equipped to negotiate your own contract. I think that's a compliment. You just revealed a lot. I think that's an insult. I don't know what happened.

You know what's good? When you're on the plane and then no one, like you're on that window seat and the aisle seat guy is here already and nobody comes for the middle seat. The whole plane ride. Elbows everywhere. The best. That's good. That is good. You give a little fist bump to the guy in the eye like no one's here. Look at us, Joe.

You can pretend that you're the nicest guy in the room, but do you, when they're walking back and you've got the middle seat open, are you giving like dirty looks? Like you better not be sitting there. Or when it's a big person. It's like when Forrest Gump was trying to find him his blessing. Can't sit here. You smell your armpit and make a face. You like make a face. So one of the tricks you can use and it totally works, especially post COVID, it's the cough trick.

Is that what you've been doing the entire week? That's similar to the smell the armpit thing. I don't get the smell the armpit. It's just like you're checking yourself and you make a face. Oh, it's to say that you smell. On Amtrak, as Dominique knows. That's funny. Assign seats now.

What? No, but you ride first class on the Acela. No. So when COVID hit, they started assigning seats. The Acela used to be find your own seat. But now it's assigned seat. But I do remember... I know what an Acela is, but for Billy... So from D.C. to New York, there's a slightly faster train, still slower than the fastest trains in the world because of...

politics and money. Like our Brightline. We have Brightline. It doesn't kill as many people, though. It goes from D.C. to New York and stops a bunch of different places. I mean, yeah, it goes all the way to Boston, but it stops at Delaware. And so if you are on the East Coast and you're going up to New York a lot, you take it a lot. I learned that I had jumped the shark on pre-COVID on the cellar because I always wear a hoodie and I always...

and black so people choose not to sit next to me and then there came a time when a little old lady got on the train and there were a bunch of open seats and she sat next right next to me with my hoodie on it's pulled down I'm looking as intimidating as I possibly can look and I realize I'm cooked

You realize that this lady is celebrating Black History Month every month? No, she not. She just didn't see me as a threat. Now my feelings were hurt. It's like it's one of the few benefits. One of the few benefits. One of the few benefits is nobody wants to be around me. But why do you want to sit next to me, lady? Go sit over there. That guy has on a suit. Where did all of our white American boys go? Good EP. It's worked out better in my head. That's on me. Did you say anything to her? No.

I mean, I talked to her on her trip. So you did. When she sat down, I was like, you got me. You got me. Talk union? Put her to sleep. So anyway, that is a trick that you can use. You don't have to leave it up in the air. So I would just think about that. I use a tuna sandwich.

No, but then that impacts you. I love tuna sandwiches. The smell of tuna sandwiches on a plane? I think that's wrong when people do that. Yeah, agreed. I love tuna, too. You love the smell of tuna sandwiches on a plane? I don't say I love the smell of it, but I do. He just said I love tuna, and I agree with him. 17 Americas. Wait, David, in your current state, if you saw someone with a tuna sandwich not being able to smell it, would you be like, I'm going to ruin this person's day and take the seat next to him?

So I would not sit next to that person. Just sit down and be like, got extra? Having nothing to do with the smell, I'd be worried about crumbs. I'd be worried about sort of mess. Hold on. But it's not the smell. So the smell, I can walk through New York City like a champion now. It doesn't impact me at all. Last night, we went to one of the most delicious restaurants in the country. You said it smelled good? Did you catch him? Did he say it?

stevie wanted a situation yeah i said it smelled good no no no no no no i caught you saying i didn't realize it but looking back you ate that crouton you said i said the crouton's amazing yes it was you can taste you've been lying stevie i'm lying it's true got his ass taste because of the crouton we gotta take it back

You finally got me. Spare's been lying for attention. The crouton was slick and crisp and buttery. And it was, I'd never tasted a crouton like that. But you tasted it last night? Yes, definitely.

So you can taste. I don't know that I tasted it the way you tasted it. I don't know that it had the flavor that you had the flavor of, but it felt amazing. You sound like a celebrity that's like a guest judge on a cooking show. Like where you're trying to hang with like the guys that know like the thing like this tastes slick and crunchy and buttery. This is delicious. Because like I've always envied those celebrities that go on those shows. How did you do that?

they know so much it's like oh no they're just saying words I've never heard a crouton described as slick though yeah it was sort of bags of sand it wasn't slick hell yeah what

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It was a great free time. Eating without taste is like putting a boob job on a course. I got his ass.

Breast enhancements. Can we isolate that sound, please? Thank you. I like when we have different EPs and you learn their moves. I like that Chris's move is I'm just going to sit around and wait for somebody to say something funny. Clip that, baby. Clip that. He's trying to make everyone forget Zerbia. So it's just highlighting every other mistake so we forget Zerbia. So we can't get Zerbia clipped until you're not in the EP chair, huh?

All right, send me Zerbia. Yes. You don't need to protect yourself. This is a safe area. We want you to feel good and relaxed. We want to report back to Dan that everything was great, that this crew that was put together got along.

I don't think we're in a position to talk about Caitlin Clark. This is what Dan would say. Jessica and Lucy aren't here. We shouldn't be talking about women's sports. I'm never here when that sentence comes out of his mouth. I'm not sure if that's what she was doing right there. But I feel like one of the top in America. No one watches more WNBA than me. That's Rebecca Lobo included. I'm so sorry for interrupting. No, no, no. That's perfect.

Let's go. You got a minute for us? You got some takes? What you got going on? I can do it whenever we're ready. If the producers are ready, I can go. Hey, give my man a sound bed. I'll give you a thumbs up when I'm ready. Well, fine. Hey, Chris.

Find something with a little something to it. Don't give them a whack sound bed. Right. We could take a break to find a sound bed. Yeah, take a break. I want Chris Cody to audition for us the potential sound beds. I like that. I like that. I'll let you know when I have them.

He's got all this board in front of him. We always get in trouble for that, like calling for video when the video guys aren't ready or asking the EP to be ready with something. I thought the job of the EP, and I could be totally wrong, is just to know what we're doing before we do it. He's not a mind reader. I do think that we do have a little opportunity here, though.

to sneak back into a little bit more sports business talk or should we put the sports business talk later in the show? Have we gone too heavy sports business? Cause we haven't done. This is a good dilemma for Chris Cody. We haven't. Chris Cody, do you want to hear more hyper intelligent first class sports business discussion or do you want to play the sounds that we've asked you to play? Bore me. Yeah.

This is not a good sign for the rest of the show. We could do locker room. It's not boring. The NFL Sunday ticket thing, Dominique, is not boring. I agree that it's not boring, but I'm looking in the shipping container, and they are our audience surrogates, and as soon as you said NFL Sunday ticket lawsuit, everybody looked down.

Look at him. I like that everybody on the stand was taking opportunity to talk shit about each other on the record. Like that was interesting to me. Where Roger Goodell was like, you know what? The NFL network kind of sucked. So you know what we're going to do? We're going to sell our product to Amazon for $20 billion. Jerry Jones. What would it take to interest people? This is really where my head is. Did you hear a little bit of music just a minute or so? I did not. I did. I heard it.

That was an accident. Jerry Jones. Nice try. Jerry Jones took shots at the Bengals for no reason other than he hates the Bengals owner. What's the number? Jerry Jones took shots at the back in our CBA negotiations, Jerry Jones openly. And it was always the Bengals as that example getting after them because they took forever to sell the naming rights to the stadium. And so like, because of revenue sharing, if you can get over a certain threshold, you don't have to pay money to certain teams. And,

all the teams in the league were selling their stadium naming rights. And the owner of the bank was like, nope, nope. We are going to celebrate my dad and keep his name up there. And Jerry's like, you're not maximizing profits. Why should I have to send you money? So that's one of the reasons why he hated it. Steinbrenner used to say that. And it made me crazy because it doesn't matter. If you're not sending it to the Brown family, it'd be recalculated and it'd go to different people. It's not like Jerry Jones would get a discount.

In relation, in lockstep to what the Bengals naming rights deal was. It just feels like a free rider problem where it's like you guys, and this is the issue with operating as a cartel, which is very different than European sports, is that you get to be a free rider in certain situations. You don't even have to be competitive anymore.

If you don't want to, you just sit back and make money. And that's how we get pissed off when they make a lot of money and complain about us wanting more money. The amount of money at stake in this lawsuit, when you account for the treble damages, which is, again, triple the damages, which happens under antitrust law, is $14.4 billion. Under a violation of antitrust law. But I want to get it down more granular. And what I was trying to get to with Billy and maybe getting everyone's interest, what's the amount of money that you want in your pocket?

What refund would you take? I mean, I'm never going to get a refund. No, no, I mean. So this is awesome. You might actually, I just put in a claim for the NBA Top Shot settlement. So did I. Yeah, but they said you're going to get like three cents per Top Shot you own or something. I want my nickel. They will send to me or in the form of a Target or Amazon gift. What did you pick? I did it too.

Did you pick the debit card? Did you pick the gift card? I picked the gift card. Oh, my God. From where? I feel like a member of the shipping container now. Adam Jameson from YouTube says, shut up in business. So keep the party going. Hey, Adam, respectfully. Chris, you got some music? Oh. Oh, shit.

Where y'all been hiding these slaps? That ain't it. That ain't it, bro. It's a start. It's better than I anticipated. It's better than we expected. Hold up. You got Lucy Sal? I mean, you got... Oh, my God. Again. Brother, I hate to do this to you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Real mistake that is. Penalty box, my man. That's it. All right, press the button. Press the button.

He's got to go. Nobody said earlier, but those are some 90s-ass shorts you got on too, brother. They're stock 80s. Those quads. They are so high up his leg. Don't be scared of the quads. What about this one?

No, I got to figure this out. Chris is leaking self-confidence at a rate that is going to accelerate now that Dominique has left the room. So what interests me about the Sunday ticket lawsuit is that there were people who immediately went on the air and said, you could be looking at $5,000 for every person who ever had Sunday ticket.

And I went on Nothing Personal and said, "If you're holding out for your five grand, do yourself a favor, like you're gonna turn blue." 'Cause there's so many steps left. But the media reported, oh, it's trouble damages, it's $14 billion, this could be $200 million per club. And it was a whole maquila, but it's gonna go all the way to the Supreme Court. The issue here- - Which is a fascinating development. - It's pretty cool if they would accept it, and I think they will.

because getting rid of the antitrust exemption for broadcasting is a possibility, but really it's combining over the air and streaming. And if we're gonna say that streaming is now the same as over the air in every way,

That's a big deal. So the very basics of this are relatable, truly, to anybody who watches the NFL. Or TV. Or TV. But it starts with a very basic premise that if you are a Saints fan living in Los Angeles or a Dolphins fan living in New York, to watch the games of the team that you love, you need to pay now $349. To get every team in every game. To buy Sunday ticket. You don't get to buy a Malacarte. You don't get to get at Peace Meal. You need to buy everything to get anything.

And so lawsuits have been brought, a class action lawsuit has been brought, started by this sports bar.

And everybody joined in, all these consumers, alleging that it's anti-competitive to force people to pay up to buy all of the NFL stuff when they only want some of the stuff. And that there are competitors out there who would have paid less for this ticket. ESPN, it came out of the trial. Hey, let's do it for 70 bucks. And the NFL came out and said, no, thank you. We like charging $359 to our people. And I get it.

Because if the, basically, the customers will pay the price, then you charge that price. And customers were paying the price for a Sunday ticket. But the thought is it could be available for cheaper elsewhere. And Roger Goodell gambled on this not being a thing he would need to answer to, to a $15 billion judgment. And now it might go to the Supreme Court.

It's got to go first to an appellate level, then to the Supreme Court. But we're talking years. So what happened is the media business personalities, not Skipper and not myself, were coming out and saying, get ready, you're getting money. And I just thought that was irresponsible because people like Billy were thinking, hey, maybe I'll get some cash. It's not going to happen. I did not think that. Did you know for sure immediately? I will never get money from a class action lawsuit of any kind ever.

You could opt in. I'll get 14 cents. I know how these things go. Also, I'm not going to... What? Huh?

I just want to bring everybody behind the curtain here. If you're not watching on YouTube or the DraftKings Network, what you are seeing, what you should be seeing is Chris Cody's face whenever he tries to press a button. And it's been the face of a man with zero confidence. You've been killing it, Chris. Small windows. Sometimes the windows close on your fingers. But we now have a big window to do the thing we've been waiting for.

which is play music suitable for Jujugati. Oh, I don't hate this one. Smooth. This is smooth. This is smooth. I think Lisa Leslie would like this one as well. Salute to Simone Augustus. It's as good as it's going to get. Right here. Yeah.

50 seconds left, so I'm going to wait. Yeah, that's all right. We can test it out. For the L1 Minute. I mean, WNBA. Pablo, I see you. Give me something, Pablo. Because I can give you a lot right now, but I'm going to wait until Pablo. I think it's too much. You got freestyle, Pablo? Are we about to do a cypher? Yeah, cypher. David Sampson, get in there.

Can you freestyle, David? Let's go. I've actually never been able to do that. Try. Really? I can only do 50 minutes. There has never been a less essential use of the word actually in the history of speech. Can you rhyme? Only when I have the time. You got 16 seconds. You just did it. Oh. That is a testament to...

The promise of racial harmony. Someone send me that clip. Only when he has the time at the Marlins committing crimes. Summer's the best time to run the way you want. Dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days. Stugatz, guess what? What? You know what you can do with Peloton? What? Get the app, go outside, ride a bike. Well, I thought you ride Peloton inside. Well, you do. You can ride Peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy or you just don't want to get outside. Maybe it's too hot. Maybe it's too hot.

summertime, go outside. I record a lot from my office with you and you've noticed it's sitting there yet. It hasn't been used. Well, now's the time. Summer's the best time to start that push. Right. Can we do it together? Not on the same bike, but we could join a class together. I used to do that. We used to have Guillermo Tan. I'd invite people. We'd all take a class together. Okay. So I think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age, Billy. I,

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