Bad Habits with Lauryn Bosstick: Friday, June 6th, 2025
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Welcome back to The Toast. I am joined by Lauren Bostick, the Skinny Confidential herself. I'm so excited. We've been chit-chatting ever since we got back together. I have not seen you in so long, and we have so much catching up to do offline and online, and we're just going to do it all online right now. Let's do it. How are you doing? Congratulations to you. Congratulations to you. Thanks. A couple of pregnant ladies. A couple of pregnant ladies. What's so crazy is I was thinking back to the last time we podcasted together, which was

I believe I just like I was newly pregnant with Harry. So I think I was like public like my second trimester with my first pregnancy. Okay. You must have had your daughter. Okay. I think you're right. Was that the one where my dad was with us? No, that was when you came on the toast like back. I'm just like good with years. So don't think I'm creepy. 2018. I've

no idea what we sat in front of a pink backdrop I just like know what the year was based on where I was and like how skinny I was so we were in that was 2018 we were in the toast with the pink backdrop your dad was there and he's so great and that was when you hosted the toast with me but we did your podcast in 2019

Okay. And then we also, I was on the toast again, and I don't know what year that was. I'm sure you would know. I feel like I was on it one more time, right? Yeah, but I feel like they were like close together. And then it's been so long since. And then you were on our podcast when you were pregnant with Harry. Yes. And then I was also on your podcast like once before that. And we sang Little Mermaid. Yeah. And that was like back in the day. You guys have to come back on. I would love to. After you both get given birth.

Come back on. We have to come back on and do like a women's health episode. Now that's all Claudia and I talk about are like women's health issues. I bet people love it, though. It's like your audience. Sneezing and peeing. No, that's that was the topic of conversation today. Yeah, it's true, though. I do feel like our audience has grown with us and like we're all sneezing and peeing right now. Yeah, you're evolving together. Yeah, but I think back to the last time we podcasted together and I genuinely feel like we were two completely different people.

Yeah, you definitely change when you become a mother, don't you? You have limited capacity for bullshit. Yes, I feel like very direct. Yes. You know, like, yes, my patience, all of my patience goes to my children.

Everyone else, get zero. So, so accurate. The patience goes to the children. Yeah. But I find, and don't you find that you're more efficient and productive when you have that lack of patience for anyone but your children? Yes, I do. I feel like I'm so much more just like driven and focused. Yes, because you have to squeeze every second out of the orange if you have a moment to yourself. Like,

I just had a three-hour flight and you better bet your ass I returned 6,000 emails and text messages and like fired shots. Yeah. Because you don't get that time. No, you're so good about that. Like, I feel like I've read so many things that you've said about

And batching? I try. And stacking? I try. Can you stack? I batch and I stack. I'm like, I need to walk on the treadmill and answer emails and I'm going to do neither of those things. I'm not walking on the treadmill answering emails at this moment right now. Okay, that makes us all feel better. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like a lot of stuff is happening. And also with Michael's complaints about his back pain right now, I can barely like squeeze in a moment for myself. Right. But... It hurts.

Oh, does his back hurt? I saw he threw his back out, which actually really is painful. Like, no lie. It's such a painful thing to go through. I mean, it's painful to be pregnant for 10 years. But when your wife is 100 months pregnant, like, that's more painful. He is one that likes to show his inner monologue.

So like I have to hear the whole narration of every single butthole hair. Oh, he doesn't suffer in silence? Oh, no. I'm a silent sufferer. And I think everyone around me should thank me for that. Yeah, I'm a little bit silent. I can sometimes complain to him a little bit, but I'm a pretty silent sufferer. So when he's complaining, I'm just like, oh my God, this is your whole thought process. It's just a lot. Oh, that is a lot. I hope he's doing okay. Yeah.

I hope his bag is okay. He's not. He could barely walk me down the street. At least he can take a muscle relaxer. Would you allow for that in your home? Let it rip. Because also, you're a crunchy queen now. Like non-tox. You are. Is crunchy non-toxic? That's what I think of it as. I would say I'm a crunchy mom, but I have goals of being crunchier. Like you put me to shame. No, I feel like it's like 85% crunchy.

non-toxic and the rest is maybe toxic. That's good because I was going to ask like what are your toxic traits? Oh. In terms of? Like me as a person? No. No. I would never ask you that. Why? In terms of like guilty pleasures like you know like what's not organic? What's not organic? So I use normal makeup. Okay. I try to like reach for Lawless because I like the brand but I do use normal makeup. It's hard like I love NARS.

I love NARS. I love NARS. I love like the Lady Gaga makeup. I forgot. House Labs. Love that. Like I love normal makeup. I haven't switched there. I also dye my hair pregnant. Oh, okay. That's good. So, I mean, I'm dyeing my hair. I definitely ordered McDonald's three days ago. Cheeseburger, just cheese and meat. Happy meal. Happy hour. Okay.

So I love McDonald's. I don't do it all the time, but I do it and I'm a slob about it. Like I'll do it in bed. I have a bed tray. Like I have the best bed tray. Yeah, but we only see it like loaded with like tea. No,

No, it's not always loaded with colostrum. I'm going to take a picture. Colostrum. I can eat my own colostrum right now. I think I get so excited. I went through the In-N-Out drive-thru the other day, and I got so excited that I didn't even have time to capture the moment. I understand. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, oh my God. So I need to capture me. I just don't think people want to see me stuffing my face with a cheeseburger. Yeah. I know if I thought about you earlier,

long enough that like, I know that you have things that you do that are probably not like organic or whatever. I don't think you're hiding it from us. You don't seem like someone who's like, no, I don't care. Yeah. I'll tell like, I, I love my daughter and I call it slumber party because

Where we lay in bed in our robes with our bed trays and eat a plowman's lunch. Do you know what that is? No. It's like a bunch of different like snacks on a plate. Oh, like a tackle tray? Everything. Okay. Like chips and jelly beans and like cut up like burger and like we'll both eat our plates and she'll go on her games. She has like a little game iPad. Okay.

And then I'll watch my like reality television. So like I have stuff that I do that's like,

Definitely like unproductive. Okay. And people should like I can be like a total slob too. Like I will like let the closet get absolutely disgusting and then I'll get like off on cleaning it up. Yeah. That's my goal. Okay. That makes me feel better. That's what I need to hear. No, it's definitely not like it's my house like is not put together all the time, especially my bathroom is a disaster. Yeah.

I'll blow it up to explode it and then i'll get off on cleaning it up Okay, that seriously makes me feel better No, i'm the same way like things like pile up And some things are looking good and then other things are not yeah, you do listen but called balance I feel like someone said the other day they're like I blend and I feel like that's a good word instead of like We're all trying to balance but like blending is like you just you make it work. You do what you can Yeah, I saw a meme once that was like

my room looks like this messy so that my house can look like this and like my house is clean my kitchen's always clean because like I'm always cleaning those things then the time I get into my room like I'm not cleaning anymore. Literally exactly. Yeah. That's exactly it. So I mean crunchy I don't know I feel like I'm very specific about the cleaning supplies that I use because it's made such a big difference and

And I'm oddly specific about, you know, when you get in an Uber and there's like a Christmas tree that smells like a scented cherry raspberry. Like I can't, I can't do that. It bothers me. Yeah. And my skincare is a mix, but makeup is fully toxic. Okay. I love hearing that. I also feel like, you know, brands have made it easier these days for things to be cleaner. You know, everyone wants to be a little clean. So like my skincare, I don't have to like look that hard. What do you use for skincare when you're pregnant? Do you do clean?

So I feel like every few months I start something new. I try to be more clean when I'm pregnant, especially with like shampoo and conditioner. Like I'll use like Vagamore. But then sometimes I'll throw in, I love my Milbon. You know, I'll like, I'll treat myself every once in a while. I'm using right now, Vanicream on my face. It's like, I never heard of it before, but it's like for babies too. Okay. And apparently it's just like for sensitive skin. That's crunchy-ish. It is. It's accidentally crunchy. I was just having like really, I get redness. That's like my skin issue where it's like rosacea.

And I was having like more redness than usual. I can like live with a certain degree. And I was like, I need something, like I need to scale it back. So I started using this Vanicream and it's been great. So I'm going to stick with that. And then I use Rode in the mornings before my makeup. And that's been working. Your hair is this color. My hair is this color. You're so lucky. Thank you. I couldn't imagine taking on, like prior in my life, I could have been like, oh yeah, I'll go get my hair done every six weeks. Is that what you guys do? Every six weeks. Now I can barely get my nails done. I got my nails done today and that was like...

That's also something toxic that I feel like it's... I use Dazzle Dry. What's Dazzle Dry? It's cleaner. And that's not even... I started using it before I was clean. It dries faster and it lasts longer. I can't think of one downside. Like I would have invest if I could. Oh, maybe they'll reach out. Maybe. So what about your cleaning supplies? So I use Branch Basics for like day to day. And you're crunchy too. Oh, no, I'm...

I'm crunchy and I would like to be crunchier. Like I feel like slowly but surely, you know what's the next thing I'm about to swap? What? My toilet paper. Oh, don't worry. I'll send you. Skinny confidential toilet paper. I hadn't made that swap yet. I thought that was so brilliant. Thank you. Thank you. So Lauren has a brand of products, beauty products, and you're also entering our home space. I'm entering the home space. I feel like there's a skinny confidential standard there.

that we have that's not, it's not the crunchy-ish. It's like, it's ish. Yeah. A lot of us are ish. A lot of us are ish. Or at least like we're on our way. It doesn't happen overnight. It's not like one day I'm just clearing the decks and I'm changing everything. But like, I might notice something about something or I might hear something about a chemical and I'm like, oh, well, that's a hormone disruptor and that's in my shampoo. And you know, I want to be pregnant or I'm like, so it's just every day. It's like small things until you make a big change. You literally nailed it.

That's how I live my life. It's just little refinements. I don't want to overwhelm anyone, but like if I can get a wood cutting board over a plastic one and you're cutting on it and you're getting all that plastic in your food, it's like such an easy swap. For sure. Except the wood cutting boards are harder to clean because you can't put them in the dishwasher. Like, does anyone want to talk about that? Like, it's seriously, I think I just at this point need a new one. Like,

Just get 10 and have them. I need disposable. Have your husband chop some wood outside. Do you know chopping wood's really good for testosterone? I feel like I don't even need to be a scientist to understand that. Like that sounds right.

I need him to chop me a fresh wood cutting board every day. That's one where it's like, this isn't my favorite. You know what? My husband can't chop wood because his back hurts too bad. So that's good. No, my husband wouldn't chop wood. He chopped me a couple cutting boards. I'm asking him to just like water the lawn more frequently because our grass is dying. Yeah, I'm sure they all have complaints for that. It just hasn't happened yet. Yeah. You got to install some sprinklers. I think the sprinklers are poorly installed at the

problem for another day. You nailed it. It's just little tiny tweaks that you can make. I don't want to overwhelm people. I'm just like, these are the little things that I've done that I think make a big difference. I have this weird theory that I want my home to be a place where my family detoxes.

everything, it's like bright lights and the smog and the pollution and the, you know, you're, you're, I'm at work and there's Windex everywhere. Like if I can make my home a little bit more of a cleaner space, it makes me feel good for my kids, but also everyone's nervous system. Yeah. It's just more relaxing. Yeah. You know? No, that's a really nice way to think about it. What's like something that you've done that you feel like makes the biggest difference or a big change like in your environment? By far, cleaning the air. Like,

Like a purifier. Yeah. The Jasper, I talk about this all the time, has changed my life. Do you have one in every room? How does it work? You don't have to get one in every room. If you're going to start with one, I would get one in your bedroom and downstairs where it's communal. Okay. And it just cleans the air. And the theory is we're all so concerned about the water that we drink, but the air we breathe, we're like fish in air. Yeah. It's like what fish to an ocean is like us to air. Yeah.

And so it's important that you're thinking about the air because it's so full of so much shit. That one I think is a good one for people who have families. Yeah, that is a good one. I also feel like even when I'm in the city versus like when I'm in the suburbs and I like noticed it a lot when I lived here and I'd like leave the city for a weekend, especially when I was pregnant. I'm like, I feel like I could breathe.

And then, like, just living outside of the city now, it's such a noticeable difference, at least for me. Like, I used to have worse headaches. I still have them, like, because I'm a headache girl. But it's just not what it was. You know, I bet you that your state now...

And your nervous system is so much more relaxed from when you lived here. I would bet you that. I think so too. And also just like the environment, like the pace of things, the traffic, like all of those things were just like, they have me operating at such a high stress level. Yes. And for sure, I don't know if they can run tests, but like your girl has calmed down as much as I can. That's, it's probably like a change where when you come back here, it like kicks you into a different mode. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

I feel like it's hard if you're a kid and you grow up here and you've never seen anything different besides this because you just think like,

cortisol, cortisol, cortisol. Obviously there's pros about growing up here too. Yeah. But we did a mix. Like we lived in the suburbs until like I was in high school and then we moved to the city. And so I, I've always like yearned for the suburbs and I'm such like, I've always been like, I'm not a city person, but my sisters are. And I just always knew that about myself. Even when I went to college, I went to like such a remote area and,

And I loved it. Calm. Yeah. That's interesting. And Claude's not like that. No, she is a city slicker. It's the craziest thing. She's a city slicker. She would live here forever. Is she crunchy at all?

No, but I do think the path to crunchiness does start in pregnancy and in motherhood. And even in her pregnancy, she sends me stuff all the time. She's like, what do you think about this? What do you think about that? She is taking it seriously because you start to think about stuff. Everything Matt, if you use something back in the day, it doesn't have, you don't think about the larger repercussions, but now you start to think about every decision and then you start looking into it.

And it doesn't look good. It doesn't look good. And you know what? The ones you really have to watch, you have to watch the daily habits.

So like, for instance, toothpaste, that's something to look into. You're putting it in your mouth. Another one is baby wipes. What do you use? I use Coterie. Okay. I got my blood tested like a year ago and they were like, you're so high in triclosan. And I'm like, triclosan? What the fuck is triclosan? So I start Googling. It's found in soap.

And I'm like, but the soap I use is non-toxic. It's Branch Basics or Symbiotica. So what else is this found in? Come to find out it is in a huge famous brand of wipes that everyone uses. And I was using so many wipes. What is it? Just tell me. No, no. What's fucked up about this is that

DM me and I'll tell you what it is. Yeah, comment wipes. Yeah, comment wipes. Here's the thing. The reason it's annoying is because the name of the wipes is like manipulative. I've been using them the whole time. And I would use 600 a day. That's not sustainable. But I would use, like, you're wiping. I have two kids. I'm wiping. Yeah, everything's wipes. Everything's wipes. Everything's wipes all day long. Their hands, everything. The wipes have triclosan in them.

And they don't say it on the package. And I went and did a deep dive. No, they only say one thing. Yeah. That's not...

They only have one ingredient. Just one. It's so conniving. But that's something you're going to use all day long. It's worth looking into. If you're going to use a lip gloss that has stuff in it and you only use it a couple times a week, I don't think it's as gnarly to look into as a toilet paper, a toothpaste. Yeah.

A wipe. No, that's a really good point. Because sometimes I'll do something and I'm like, well, it was just once. Right. I'm not going to sweat it. I had a soda or whatever. Exactly. But like if I was starting my day every day with it. Yeah. It's better to be. There's nothing better than a McDonald's Diet Coke. Yeah. No, it's so true. I haven't had McDonald's in a while, but I have had a lot of Diet Coke. And I was eating like Chester's this afternoon. What's Chester's? They're like cheesy puffs, almost like Pirate's Booty, but like

not even as healthy. Like, they're really good. I also really like flaming hot Cheetos. That's another toxic trait of mine. Okay. Yeah. That's like what I wanted to know. That just makes me feel better about like my own choices. Listen, I, I, and when I'm not pregnant, I like tequila. Like I, yeah. Tequila is like natural. I like something that's plant based. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess. I definitely like to, I don't know if balance is the right word, but- Blend. Blend. The daily habits are where you should look. Yeah. That you're doing every day, all day long. Okay. I have my homework.

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Speaking of homework, I listen to your podcast a lot. You have a great podcast. You've been podcasting like forever, which is such a big deal in this day and age. Everyone starts one. You know, everyone wants one. I get to 50. But no one wants to do one. You podcast. You've been podcasting for how many years? I have been podcasting for nine years. But you podcast five days a week. Yes, yes, yes. No, I'm not saying what I do is, you know, small. But like you have podcasted for nine years. I have. How many episodes a week are you up to? We were doing three.

And then it's gone down now to two. And I think that's fine because it gives like it gives it a little air, a little breath. We also don't do pop culture every day like you guys do. If we did that, I feel like you guys are like almost like a news station. Yeah. Like I rely on you for my pop culture celebrity influencer news.

If we were doing that, I think we would need to do more. But ours are more interview-based shows. Yeah, and very evergreen. And it's definitely changed throughout... I mean, you would hope over nine years that the show would change. But it's become very educational and very informative. I hope so. I think so. I mean, episodes that I listen to or even clips that I see, I'm like, okay. I hope. I mean, listen...

It's a non-judgmental space where we let people's opinions rip. Do I agree with every single person we have on the show? No. But I don't want to go to dinner with a table that I agree with. And I've said this many times. I like having colorful people around me. Yeah. I'm very, very into like quirky people and different opinions and nonjudgmental.

not agreeing with everyone. I feel like it makes life fun. So that's kind of what the podcast is. Yeah. No, and that definitely comes through. And I think that's some of the more interesting conversations because everyone's having conversations now. And a lot of people are saying the same thing. So it's nice when you hear something different, even if it's just enough to know that you didn't agree with it. It's like you can even work that muscle of disagreeing. It's honestly a sign of intelligence, I think, to be able to sit and not have to

fight back with someone you disagree with. Yeah. You could just sit in it. Yeah. And just be critical thinking on your own. Yeah. No, it's really true. What's your favorite kind of guest? I like people who are

totally themselves on a mic. Okay. I'll give you an example. We just had the medical medium on. He had some wild ideas, but he was so comfortable and confident in himself. And I think that comes through. It's hard when you get someone and you know this.

that is guarded. They have a PR team. They only want to talk about certain things. They want to keep you in this maze of the corn. They just want to speak without saying anything and they just want to run the clock almost. It's boring. Yeah. You're on a mic. Yeah. So you have to have the balls to

in my opinion, to just be yourself. And the funny thing is the audience and your audience knows this too, like they can smell it when it's like a PR by my book situation. Yeah. It's boring. Don't you feel the same way? No, I do. And I also just feel like the act of listening to a podcast is so much like more intentional than it is. Like even when you're...

on a TV interview and you're just passing by in the airport or the drugstore and it's like, we're not listening to every single, but if you're putting someone in your ears for an hour, like they owe you at least their authenticity and just to say something worth hearing because it's not so passive. And there are so many things people could listen to and they're choosing to listen to you.

I think that the ones that do the best, the podcast hosts and guests are the ones that show up and they're not thinking, oh my God, what are all these people going to think of me? Yeah. But don't you feel like you like that in real life too? Because for me, like a refreshing person is someone who's...

like not so guarded and like I don't know I want someone I hate the word real is not right but just like it's refreshing to just be like raw and candid and like to be an individual like wow it's really refreshing to be an individual or to speak with one it's

Literally. But also to be an individual, it's actually, it is a nice experience. It's amazing having your own ideas and like not everyone's going to like you and that's okay. Yeah. No. And like just feeling confident in yourself, like take it or leave it. And I feel like you really have that mentality. I try. Have you always, like when you started, do you feel like your mentality about that has changed over time just as you've grown up doing it? I think when it comes to me and you and Claude,

I feel like we were like born to be on a mic. Like I am not born to be modeling on Instagram. Like it's just not my, it's not my forte. I think that I am most comfortable modeling.

talking over sharing I'm curious I want to interview people I want to know what's in their medicine cabinet and what's in their pantry like that's just my nature so a podcast feels very natural if that's not your nature and you're really good at an Instagram feed or stories or TikTok like you should double down on where you're really good at like you and Claude like your essence to me is

through a mic. Yeah. No, and I feel for me like long form, like the idea of like saying something like quickly and like I like to take my time. I like to like flesh out my ideas, maybe go down that one and say, oh, I didn't like that. I'll go this way. Like talk everything through. I feel like some people are like more punchy and they'll like keep it to a minute. Yes. When some people just have like a really good eye and it's like,

they'll make something look like beautiful. Yes. That maybe I couldn't do that. Yes. So I do think even in like the space of like influencing and creating like everyone, there are lanes within it. Absolutely. Yeah. And there's something really nice about a conversation flowing in the right way. Like, you know, when you have a good guest on. Yeah. And you're like,

It's just like you can put a piece of hay in your tooth and sit back and relax. And it requires a person who loves to talk and be on a mic and knows how to... I always say it's like a ping pong match. Yeah. It's an art. Yeah. And it's the art that I like the best. No, it's true. And you guys have so many guests, but I feel like that also leaves out this variable of like the unknown of what's going to happen in every episode. Right. You never know. Do you worry? Like...

Going into an episode, do you get nervous? Will there be meat here? I think it depends. Have I gotten nervous in episodes before? Yes. But also, I think that I just try to show up really, really neutral.

Like for the guest. Yeah. Like I'm trying not to have an agenda. I'm trying to just let them be on stage. I put the guest on stage and I want them to look their best. And I mean, if they like if they mess up on that, like we're not it's not really like a gotcha show. No, not at all. Yeah. I'm not trying to like put them in this position where they look bad. I want them to look great. Yeah. But sometimes that doesn't always happen. Yeah. I try to support that.

Yeah. I feel like most of the time that's like what comes through. You're like, oh, they went on Skinny Company. Like you just like also air is like gives them an air of like seriousness in the field at this point. I hope so. That's how I see it. I mean, I'll take it from you. Yeah. I'm like, oh, they went on. You're a queen of the mic. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much.

You and Claude. I mean, you guys have no easy feat to be on a mic five days a week. I was asking you off air if you guys get sick of each other or if you don't have a lot to talk about and you're like, no. No. I feel like the fear of running out of things to talk about, I used to have more until I... There were times where it was like, okay, we literally... Well, we'll have nothing to talk about this time. And then we just go live and it's all there. And so now I'm like, no, we actually will not run out of things to talk about. And even moving...

In some ways was obviously a card for, it is hard. Like I miss, I miss my girl. But it's been actually great for the show. Just having like completely separate lives where every single day we catch up with each other. And therefore, like we're catching up with everyone where we used to have like the, the same day doing it together. So we're not going to like, you know,

recap it for everyone all the time and now I just feel like everyone's even more a part of our lives because they're like watching us keep up with each other yep and also when she becomes a mother too oh yeah it's gonna be like it's gonna be so cool to see you guys like even as like a viewer from an outside perspective of you both because I've been a fan for a long time

I feel like I've been... How long ago was that episode that we did around the huge table? That was like 2017. Okay, so that's a lot of years. Yeah. Not great at math. That's... I know that. Eight years or something? Yeah. I mean, I've been a fan for a long time and to see...

you both become mothers is like crazy. No, I'm really excited for her. I forget where I said this. I don't know if it was like private or public, but it's like, I learned so much from her every day, like in our job, just as creators, like just as a person, like as a friend, as a sister. And I'm so excited to see how she does motherhood and like learn from her. I think she's going to get a little crunchy. I think she will too. But I think her take on it is going to be like just refreshing and funny. And I'm excited to like learn from her.

On this. What do you think the most overwhelming thing's going to be? For her? Yeah. Oh, the mess. The mess. She doesn't like a mess. I think that's going to like rock her. What's been yours? I mean, these days it's probably sleep, you know? Yeah. I have a couple hacks. In the beginning, it was breastfeeding that like really was hard for me. It's overwhelming. It's so hard. And I never thought, I was always like, oh yeah, I'm going to breastfeed. And I never like...

I never thought about it. And then you give birth and you have to breastfeed and they're like every three hours, but it's like every two and a half because the session is 30 minutes. And it was so painful for me, but like it was so important that I really wanted to do it. And I did do it. Just the first time I just, it was very, very difficult. And that like was very overwhelming for me. Okay.

I just finished Hilaria Baldwin's book. It just came out. It's called Manual Not Included. Is she coming on your show? She's not. Okay. But she can if she wants. She has seven kids. Yeah. And she gave this tip about breastfeeding. And I feel like we should listen to her. She has seven kids that she's breastfed. And she was doing two at once. Tandem. Not the tandem. So gnarly. And she says...

And I don't know a ton about breastfeeding, so everyone could tell me in the comments if this is true or not. She says that she would pump every 30 minutes for only three minutes. Okay. Is that true? That's a thing. It's like power pumping to stimulate your boobs to make more milk. She said that she never ever had to actually pump for milk.

She was just like stimulating them. It was all day long because she would stimulate just for three minutes. She said it's way more efficient to just do it every 30 minutes for three minutes, put it down.

Yeah, I think that's definitely a strategy. What I noticed, and it's hard to compare because the second time is always easier. The first time is the hardest. And then with the second baby, it's easier. Like you have more supply and like, you know what you're doing. And so I had a much easier time the second, like a brief, like it was a dream scenario. No supplementing. I breastfed for like as long as I wanted and then moved on. And I would like pump once a day just to get out any extra and like keep it in the freezer. And you didn't do like every hour or anything.

Of feeding? Of like pumping. No, I really, I only pumped like in the morning just to like make sure I just like was emptied out from the night. Okay. What's the pump that you used? Spectra, the blue one. Okay. What do you use? I think I, I fucked so long ago. I also, I hate. I got the one that Amanda Hirsch from Not Skinny Not Fat told me to get it. It's, I think it's the one that like is the to-go one. LV.

I'm gonna text it to you so we can put it in the show notes. I think it's the L because that one's great for to go. But don't listen to me on breastfeeding. You just like put it in your thing. Listen to you. I used it like when I went out like my first night out. Okay. You use Spectra. But if you're like home and you're like charged, Spectra is like super powerful and it was good and I really liked it. You only did it in the morning?

With Charlie, yeah. Like, I would feed him in the morning and then I would empty out the rest and then feed him throughout the day when he was hungry. So, like, every two and a half hours? Yeah. Yeah. And how long do you do it for? Six months. That's a long time. Yeah, that was, like, my goal. That's how long I did it with Harry. But I also had to supplement a little with Harry because I wasn't producing, like, as much as I wanted. And it was just, like... So, I did more supplementing and then at six months, like, we were over. What's your favorite formula? Well, I don't think you're going to like this. My...

Both times I've used Emfamil. I don't have any judgment about formula. I don't know enough about it. I don't know. This is like an area that I'm not, I don't give advice. I don't know about. I don't give advice either. I just, like I know there are all these like new wave ones and like some of them like seem so great. We just had the Bobby Founder on and that seems like a really good one. Right. I've read so much about it. We've like used By Heart before. I've seen Kendamil. I see like really nice ones on the shelf. It's like goat milk, European. Then you see like, yeah, the European ones. Yeah. I just was like,

I want one that's been around a while. I get that. You know? It's really... But I didn't like it. Like, I didn't... Like, I wouldn't be like... Maybe you'll get a collab. Maybe you should cut that out. No, I don't think I want a collab because I don't even think I would like... It worked for us and I'm like, it worked and it was good. But like, there's just something like... And I think they're like going to recalibrate the formula industry a little bit because it's just really... There's a lot in there. I mean, I might just buy a goat. I think you should. Yeah.

I think you should. Or you'll do raw milk. Yeah, a cow. Oh, but goat's milk is apparently better. I saw pictures. I'm also, I became so interested, like fascinated by breastfeeding once I started. I was like, oh my God, like what? It's crazy. It's crazy. And I'm like, it's crazy. And I think I feel so like tied back to like

women throughout history, you know, that are turning better, that are turning better. Even like, oh my God, a wet nurse goals, like you get to have a breastfed child and you don't have to do it yourself. But I was like, what did women do who couldn't breastfeed back in the day before there was formula? Wet nurses, right? Well, they would either do wet nurses or a goat.

I saw a historical photo of a child feeding from the teat of a goat. You know what? Apparently goat's milk is most akin to human's milk. A goat being my wet nurse? Jumping the shark? It's so on brand.

I feel like I've jumped the shark. Because it's like, it's so interesting. Like, what did people, like, Formula Now has, like, solved this issue. But, like, before that, like, what, if you didn't have a wet nurse, like, and some people, like, can't breastfeed or it's like, they're not making enough, like, what do you do? I think you need a donor. And you put it in, like, pump, really. Doner.

Well, I'm sure they had like manual. Yeah, I'm sure they did too. But isn't it fascinating to think about? It's out of control. What's so crazy to me is after I gave birth to Zaza, my first daughter, is that like you go through all this with your body and it's so intense and it's every single facet literally of your body basically. And then they're like, okay, breastfeed.

And for me, it was like overwhelming. I was like, oh my God, I've just had every facet stretched. Yeah. And then it's like... And this is like the worst one yet. It's like...

It's a lot. Do you ever have a clog? I've never had a clog. Oh my God. I was getting so many clogs the first time. But they also say like you get more clogs the more you pump because it's like... No, I've never had a clog. I've also never had mastitis, which I heard is the most painful thing ever. I was getting a clog a week. It was so painful. But like you meet home from work sometimes. Like it was so... Can't you have your husband suck it out? Yeah. Did he do it? Yeah. Oh.

Oh my gosh. Winner, winner. But then the science changed in between my two kids. Like literally the science behind clogs changed. It used to, they used to think that it was, um, a clock, like an actual clog. So you would need to like melt it, like something stuck. So like you would put heat. And then the thinking changed like literally six months later that it's actually inflammation and you need cold. And so everything that you were doing, like rubbing, like killing yourself, hot showers at a, was making it worse. Yeah.

That's really interesting because I remember putting those hot packs on my boobs. Yeah, but now the thinking is cold. Well, I feel like you should do like a breastfeeding post. You seem to know like a lot about it. No, I really got in the weeds with it. So you need to do cold. That's what they say now. I might be texting. But that's like everything. You know, baby should sleep on the front. Baby should sleep on the back. Like how just the recommendations change all the time. All the time. So you really have to do like what feels right for you. So if you're going to co-sleep, is there a certain side?

Oh, co-sleeping, my favorite subject. Not for me. I would just go with the side that's more inner to the bed. Do you put a round... What are those? Do you put something in there? I didn't. So you just do the baby on a sheet? Yeah, just in the crook. And you lay rigor mortis on your back? Or sea style, where you're cuddled in. And...

That's so nice to wake up to. It is nice to wake up to. I'm going to try it, I think. Because you know when you have a sleeping baby and then you put them down finally and then they start crying because you put them down? Yeah, they want to be in your stomach still. Yeah, but when you never put them down, they just will sleep longer. Then, of course, we had to transition to a crib and that was hard. But it would have been hard if we did it at one month or five months. So at least in those early days, we were getting more sleep. I just like...

I have this really like crazy, and this isn't crazy, but like I just wouldn't want any electronics around the baby's head. Yeah. Because here's a crunchy mom thing. I'm learning so much about how like the Wi-Fi and the EMF, like baby's heads are obviously softer than adults. And so the EMF like goes into their brain easier. Yeah.

Interesting. They have such a soft school. And listen, don't quote me. Go read about it. Do you have the thing on the back of your phone? I do. I have the thing on my phone. I've been targeted so many times. I've made a cart so many times. I just like- I re-bought it. I love it. You love it? Yeah. I should get one. It's a little sticker. Yeah. I think, listen, anything that can help helps. My Kindle's on airplane mode, but I just, like if I'm co-sleeping, I think I would have to read a hard book.

Like, I don't think I would want to read a Kindle. To pull up your Kindle. Yeah, I probably wasn't even reading at that time. So you were just asleep, dad. You're so tired. We were actually in the really early, like, newborn, newborn, like, days old stage. We were watching TV. Watching TV. And that's fine. That's fine. And that was fine. Yeah. I just, like, I'm, like, learning so much about the cell phone. Well, I have a super crunchy friend. And we were just, like, on a girl's night. Like, we stayed at a hotel together. So she was, like, super...

saying how she doesn't sleep with her phone charging next on her nightstand like that. It's awful. It's awful. It's awful. Yeah. Okay. Don't sleep with that phone. And by the way, I want to say this. I used 10 years ago, I used to sleep with my phone next to my head. So this is not judgment. We've all done it.

I sleep with my phone now outside of the room on airplane mode. I saw you just did an interview in the cut. I was just reading it. I'm so serious about that. But this is 10 years of figuring it out. It was not something I just woke up with. Okay. And I just feel like it's too much on the nervous system. And I don't know. We just don't know enough about it to be sleeping next to your head. Yeah.

Okay. But I'm not the expert. I should have brought a patent paper to write down all my takeaways from today. This is like my homework. I don't know why I'm thinking a lot about the phone. I really came here to pick your brain. I feel like so often I'm looking for a product. Or just like, oh, what should I use for this in pregnancy? Even prenatals. And I'm like, well, what does Lauren use? A ritual. And I literally stalked your Instagram and used ritual. I think ritual is just simple and it just gets the job done. And it's like...

you know what you're getting. Yeah. That's overwhelming too. Yeah. The prenatal. Yeah. It's all overwhelming though. It is. Yeah. It's, you want to, every single person has the intention to do their best for their child. Yeah. This is what I've learned. So if they're giving their child something that's perceived as like bad, there's an intention usually there that's good. So we're all trying to do our best. Yeah. It's not easy. No, it's not. But,

You gotta. I mean, it's just like there's no choice. Like, yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. You know, with school too, like it's impossible. It's like, is it private? Is it public? Is it homeschool? Is it this? Is it that? Do you want them on screens all the time or do you want them in an entrepreneurial school? It's on it. Like, it's just it's it's not easy. Yeah. It's a lot of different choices. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's one right way. There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat. And every child is different.

They're all different. They need different things. Yeah. Yeah. I think you just got to really pick and choose, but there's not a perfect option. Yeah. I think you sacrifice in any area. Yeah. But the phone thing I've been thinking a lot about, about where it's going next. I know that's like very weird, but like, I don't want to like be put, you know how when you're carrying your baby and it's like right next,

Yeah, or like they're sleeping and it's like right here. It's too much. I want it away. Yeah. I don't know if that's like just something that is happening this pregnancy. Yeah. No, I feel like it's a gut feeling. Yeah. And then you just listen to it. It's probably best. And don't you feel like when you're done with work, like you just want to put your phone away because you've been on it all day? Yeah. Or sometimes I'm just like on it for a long time. And I'm like, I have to get off of this thing. I keep finding myself going back to the same apps. Like there's nothing there for me. And I'm not even, I don't even have TikTok. So I'm not even like,

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Well, I'm on TikTok. Like you have a brand, like, but your team runs it. I send my team what I want to post in the caption. So I like will micromanage the content and send it to them. But that's perfect. I don't like, I don't go on there. Oh, this whole pregnancy. Ah.

I have not been on TikTok in like I haven't had a TikTok in years for a bunch of different reasons. Like I don't know when I first deleted it from my phone, maybe like the first like privacy scare issue where it's like they're spying on us. And I was like, oh, OK, bye. And then it like comes in and out. That's not like the whole reason anymore, even though like, yeah, don't spy on me.

But I just realized for my mental health, like I already spend a lot of time on my phone. I work on my phone. Like I don't need to increase my screen time by one minute. And if I'm on TikTok, it will be by five hours. Like it's there's nothing there for me. And I find people like it's so in the weeds about like these minor dramas from TikTok. I'm like, well, if you come out of your phone for a moment, like that doesn't exist. I've never heard of that. TikTok feels like the Daily Mail.

It's a bunch of stuff that I don't... Like you just said, don't know that I need to know. You don't need to know it. I don't need to know. But also, the second I got pregnant and I went on there, I'm really big on listening to my intuition. And there was something that was like... It was very low vibration. It didn't feel like...

It didn't feel good. No, it's not making you better. No. And I know you like I would be like programming in my phone and be like Louise. Hey, affirmations are like trying to get like stuff that I wanted. But still you just see a bunch of shit that you don't need to see. Yeah. I feel like. No, and I feel like the overall goal of TikTok is not to make us better people, more informed, smarter, like interesting people. It's to make us like lazier and stupider. And I'm not falling for it. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. There's something about it that doesn't feel uplifting. I wouldn't say it's uplifting. I think that's a great way to put it. No. And also, like, my friend has a great rule. He only goes on TikTok when he's on the Stairmaster. And he's on the Stairmaster, like... So he's, like, earning it. Yeah, so he's earning it. And I think he does the Stairmaster, like, twice a week for 30 minutes. And that's his TikTok. And if you can create boundaries around it, great. That's good. The endorphins outweigh the low vibrations. I mean...

I just don't, I don't know. Maybe I'll feel different after I'm pregnant, but as of this moment, I can't do it. No, I feel like that feels right. But it's good that your business is that like you're, you yourself are still posting on it. So you're like in the mix. Yeah.

I'm in the mix. I'm like, I'm like, I'm at the party, but I'm not at the party. Yeah. No, I feel like that's the best way to do it. Because like, it is good for business. Yeah. I mean, we have a toast pod. We've gone viral, apparently. Many times, I'm sure. And that's like been good for the show. And people hear about the show. Great. Yeah.

Great. I don't want it on my phone. Well, when I was a little girl, my dad used to tell me, don't read your own press clippings. And the problem with TikTok is when you get in those comments, you're reading your own press clippings. And I'm not just talking about negative comments. I'm also talking about comments that suck your ass. I completely agree. I always say this. I have my DMs turned off, like my auto response. Like you can't just reply to my stories. And it's not even for the haters, which of course I don't want to see and I don't want to know you. But it's also like, I don't want like...

so much immediate, like positive affirmation. Like, oh, you look so amazing. Like, I don't want that all in my head. It's like not a human thing.

like it's just not like we're not designed to process all of that. And I also don't want to post something to my story and then be like, well, no one's saying that I look so great. I agree. And I just, I don't want to measure myself in any way by that positively or negatively. And it's like, this is me. You can D you can go to my page and like send me a message if you want, but you can't just like respond to all my stories with like your initial thoughts. It feels reactive. Yeah. I,

I think that I might do that too. It is not healthy to get excessive praise or excessive hate. Yeah. I think that we're going to go into this era as a society, I'm assuming in like the next three to five years, where...

where people are going to have such purposeful boundaries around the phone. I really think that the pendulum is going to swing and like people are going to do exactly what you're saying. They're turning off things. They're setting up guardrails, notifications. The fact that like you can just text someone and you expect a response in two minutes is wild. You won't get one from me. It's wild. Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, I'm so sorry I didn't see this six months ago. No, that's classic me.

I'll wake up in the night. I'm like, fuck, they texted me three weeks ago and I forgot. I would just say, you know, you could literally text me a year later and I anyone out there. I will never be mad. Okay, that's good to know. I am not like and if you get so personally and like I know it's so offensive. Like I don't think it's offensive at all. I just like I saw your text. It came to me at a time when I couldn't respond. I left it open and then I forgot about it. I'm living my life.

I mean, I don't understand. I am literally living my real life and being present with my children and it's nothing personal and I don't expect it back from you when I send it right away. And if you miss something and you miss an event, you do what you can do. Yeah. No, like the mental battery that it takes for me to respond to a text message is a

a lot. I think it's like more than the average. Like it takes everything from me. Like it's so hard or like even on like my birthday when I have so many birthday meds. I literally just thought, okay, so it's Mother's Day yesterday. I'm like, thank you. Thank you. And then my birthday is two weeks later. Oh my God. I have to like leave them all unopened or else I will not respond to every single one. And then they're just like unopened for hours. And then I'm like,

sit down and I'm like, but you want to be like, hey, how are you? Happy Mother's Day to you. How's your day? What did you guys do? The worst is when it's like, happy birthday. It's someone you haven't talked to in years, like someone from high school or something. Happy birthday. And then it's like, how are you? And I'm like,

No, it's a trap. It's so, I find it so difficult and I don't know what that says about me or like why I am this way. It's too much. My husband's the exact opposite when he's like, why can't you just answer a text message? Like you're literally sitting in the car. I don't even answer Michael. Oh yeah. No, I don't. I mean, I love a voice note, but I can only do it to like super close people. You know, that solves some of my problems. You know what has solved a lot of my problems? Two things.

voicing the text. Talk to text. I talk to text all day long. That's how I run my whole business. So formal. Like confirming receipt. We'll be back to you soon. My assistant is printing out all my voice to text notes for like the funny ones for my birthday, she said. And there's so many things that are wrong because your voice to text. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really good. But I also got a keyboard. This is how much I hate texting. I got a keyboard and you put the phone in the keyboard.

And you type on the phone back. So I go to the foot spa with the keyboard and I respond for an hour to as many texts as I can on the keyboard because I cannot be typing little, little. There's something about it. Like it actually, my cortisol, right? That's what it is. Cortisol.

I don't expect a text back either. Yeah. No, it's like I didn't send you a text so that you had to respond. I just sent it so that you would receive what I'm saying. Yes. And also like if someone wants to spike my cortisol to 6,000, say following up. Oh, yeah. I'm like, fuck, I'm a piece of shit. Following up is really like condescending energy. It is. And it makes me feel like... Kindly following up. What if it's kind though?

Still hurts. I almost would rather just do like, let me know. Or just like pretend like you never asked and ask again. Be like, hey. Or like no worries if you can't do it, but just let me know. It's fine. Yeah. But the following up, I'm like sweating with hives. Yeah. No, that's really rough. Oh my God. I'm cracking up. Well, before I let you go, I just want to talk some business because we didn't even talk about half your stuff because I just, we got into the weeds. The Skinny Confidential business like is...

I saw that you have a new product launching. We do have a new product coming out in a couple months. But what do you have? You have so many things. It all started with the ice roller. The ice roller is really like the iconic like cult classic because I really think we reiterated on it to make it better and prettier, which is what we try to do. And from there, it's gone into like a travel roller and a dry brush. The balls. I like the balls. The balls grip your face like...

It's so funny because on your podcast before we had the product line, we talked so much about lymphatic drainage. That was like your thing. It was like the most natural product an influencer could come out with. It's like you doing ice rolling. It's so natural. I think your audience and I think it was your audience. I'm almost positive thought that I would name my first born lymphatic Bostick. That's so funny. Yeah.

I feel like they would. I remember the conversation completely because everything that I was asking, you were like lymphatic drainage. I'm like, what do you do for hangovers? You're like lymphatic drainage. I still do it. Everything. Pregnancy phase, lymphatic drainage. I know. I try and like when I do my moisturizers in the morning to like

put them on and like ever since you I don't like go up I only go down I love it so you go up on the face and down yeah and then like down and you can feel you can feel it like you can taste it when it's draining yeah it's like almost gross but it's like puffiness yeah you know you're doing what you need to do yeah so I just think our goal is to make things prettier and better and really tap into your daily habits like that's what it is yeah it's not like a skincare brand it's like more just like daily habits and making them better

Yeah. No. And so now you have toilet paper.

Like, yeah, disrupt that. Let's make it pretty. I'm going to send you some. I'm excited. Yeah. I wasn't going to ask, but I really need. Oh, my God. I'll send you some. Don't worry. Okay. Thank you so much. And then I also saw it because you just gave a great interview to the cut that you're writing a book, another book. I'm writing another book. What's this one? So the book, I have not announced what it's about, but it's going to be something that is.

like random like it's not like like your other books no it won't be like the other books i want this to be like the book okay i'm really like it's something that i've been mulling over you're the book girl we were just talking about books i am not you read so much i think you read more than me like because you reading i do yeah i do read how much you read

I probably read for an hour a day. I love reading. Do you have like a reading time or you just like fit it in where you can? That's what my tech should say. I'm so sorry I'm reading. It's my reading time. It's my reading time. Yeah. I read when my kids go to bed for an hour and if I wake up early. Okay. If I wake up, so if I wake up before your kids, that's like a life hack that I have unlocked. Like I

I'm not perfect at it. Sometimes I'll wake up after my kids. I don't have an alarm, so I just wake up when I wake up. Oh, that's nice, but you're a natural early riser? If I'm not hungover. If I'm hungover, I could wake up at 8.30. Right. If I'm not hungover, I'll wake up. If I'm not hungover, which obviously I'm not hungover, I'll wake up at like 6.45, 7, naturally. But I'm in bed at

8.30. So when people are like, how do you read? Well, I'm in bed at 8.30 and I'm probably reading from 8.45 to 9.45. Do you watch TV? I don't watch TV in the room because if you watch TV, you stay up later. But so do you watch any TV in your life? I watch TV all the time, but only during the day.

Okay. I watch... I love Housewives. I need to do that too. We watch TV like for the show. Not that I don't like watch other stuff. Research. But we just got screeners recently. Huh. And Claudia now watches them in the middle of the day. What's a screener? Like early... Because we watch like reality TV. So now we get like screeners. So they send it to us like a day early. I would love a screener for Summer House. We fought so hard for screeners. How do we get a screener? That we don't have to watch live. But...

But it's like if I want to watch Watch What Happens Live, then I do have to stay up till 10. But I'll be okay. I'm better off reading. I thought you meant like you have someone who's watching the TV and giving you notes. You think so highly of us. Yeah. No, we just can watch it earlier in the day. So we don't have to like stay up late. Yeah, so that's your job. Yeah. You don't have time to watch TikTok. You're screening. Right. Yeah. And I want to read. Oh.

I would try to watch the TV during the day. Because the problem is if you watch TV at night, like I'm going to tell you right now, if I watch TV at night or look at my phone after 8.30, I'm fucked. I'm not asleep. Do you have a landline? No, I'd love a landline. What if someone needs you after 8.30? Too bad. If everyone's murdered, we're going to figure it out. I'm offline. For me, I'm like, well, the solution to that is a landline. Call a friend to that. Yeah.

I'm Rick Amortis at 830. Does Michael keep his phone on? He doesn't. He's not allowed to keep it. We've had, this is like our biggest fight. Okay. Tell me. He's not allowed to keep it in the bed. There's no phone in the bed. Our bedroom is for fucking and sleeping and reading. Like there's no phone. And when he gets that phone out, you should see my energy. I'm like, no, like the bed is not for the phone. So if he wants to be on his phone, he can go out in another room and

And as far as watching TV, he has a mini iPad. And I swear to God, this is a fun fact. He goes under a Barefoot Dreams blanket and has to watch it under a blanket. Oh, my God. That's so fun. It's like a child. Yeah. I'm like, this is like the phone. I'm just done with it. Do you have a TV in your bedroom? No. Well, there you go. That eliminates it. Yeah. But I watch TV.

Okay. No, no, no. I'm learning so much. Like, I know all the shows. Does Michael's phone stay on and in the room when you guys sleep? It's on airplane mode on the charger across the room. Okay. So no one can get a hold of it. Because I'm like, sometimes it's like, sometimes on some of the holidays, like, I'll turn my phone off. But I'm like, well, everyone, Zach's phone is on. So if you need me, like, you can reach me via him. Maybe we should get landlines. That's a good idea.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's always like something like, oh, I'm going to do that. Well, if you're worried about, I mean, you have four sisters, you have a big family. Why don't you just get a landline? I know I will. Claudia has one. But like, don't call it. No one should call it. Do not call me. Do not come. It's for an emergency use only. But what if I start getting like spam calls in the night? Oh my God, I'll lose my mind. Maybe not. Change the number. Perhaps not. No, just, yeah. Listen, we all got to figure it out. I know. I know. We're all,

We all got to figure it out. Send me a letter. Yeah. Carrier pigeon. I don't know. Like, call me in the morning. Yeah. We all got to figure it out. What...

what is anyone going to do anyway? I know it's so true. What can I do for you? Like, what could I do in Florida? Like I can barely drive. Like I, yeah. When I'm this pregnant, what am I going to do? You want me to roll on down? I'm done. Like at eight 30, like the show is over. The mouth tape is on. The Kindle is out. The red light, like it's over. What kind of car do you drive?

You have to cut it out. Cut out the car? Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Why? Because I just, I don't know. It feels like, I don't know. It feels crazy. I don't know. It just doesn't feel a Bentley. Sweet. I don't know. Go off. Is it a good mom car? Amazing. It's the best car ever. I'll tell you why it's the best car. You can leave this part in.

It's the best car because I am like an old person. I feel like you have a little old person in your shoe, Florida. A lot of old person. Yeah. And my shoes. Exactly. Like, it's like you're, you like the old, the old, and this car is designed for an old person. And so it's like a sedan. It's a sedan size. It's not an SUV. It's, it's, um,

It's the set five seats. So it's I think it's a sedan. It's not like an SUV. It's not tall. No, I don't like an SUV. Okay. I'm just not a good driver at all. No, same. I learned how to drive two years ago. So then that's why you would like this car because it reminds me of Mr. Magoo putzing around like I don't go fast.

That's so cool. I call it the leisure car. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. What kind of car does your husband drive? Bentley. Another low? But he drives the convertible. Oh, but you guys don't have an SUV? No. Maybe we'll have to get one. I know. He wants to get a truck.

Yeah, that's cool. I could see that for him. And then that would like solve the like SUV bucket because I feel like how do you have three kids and you don't have an SUV? But like there you are. I guess. Well, I guess a truck. Yeah. Yeah, a truck. But like, am I really going to be driving like a huge just one of those like F-150? Whatever. I don't even know.

not an, I think it's a Ford. A Ford. That's F-150. Yeah. It's a big, he wants a big. Yeah. Yeah. I think my neighbor has it. I'm not a, I got, I had an Escalade for a long time and I did not like it because I felt like an Uber driver. That,

That's funny and you wouldn't escalate before you had kids, right? Yeah, I didn't like it. And then you became a mom and you wouldn't recommend me. I wouldn't recommend. Well, I don't know how to drive. That's not a good car for me. No, no, no. That's not a good car for you. No, it's like it's too much car. It felt like I had like a huge BBL every time I'm pulling out. It's too much. I just like a

car that you can control that feels like it's in your grasp that I never want to I'm under the speed limit by 20 every time people are honking at me I just want to just putz around yeah so that's you drive on the highway yeah but it's real slow okay it's 60 yeah yeah same when I do yeah if I have if I if I do and by the way I would prefer to be driven

Yeah, of course. Always. Of course. That's next level success. Not even driven by a chauffeur, by my husband. I'm not getting in the car and being like, I'm very submissive like that. I saw a funny video once and it was a guy being like, if you're a man and you're in the car with your wife and she's driving, what are you doing? What are you just like,

If, wait, say it again. Like, why is a man ever driving? Sorry, why is a woman ever driving when you're with your husband? Some women like to drive, right? I guess, but I don't think so. I don't think anyone likes to drive more than their husband. I'm not. And I feel like the more I talk to women, we all hate driving and we're all terrible at it. I'm also, like, weirdly scared of it. Like, it's just, like, it feels overwhelming. Like, you want me to drive this, like,

huge thing like so I'm just not good at some things and that's like I'm just not good at it no you're seriously like making me feel so validated I just got like I just really learned how and I'm like comfortable now I feel like you'd be great in a Bentley

I know. I love my Tesla. Okay. I like a Tesla too. Those are adorable. I've been loving my Tesla really works for me, but now I have to try out. You know, you can't sit in the car when that's charging. I know. And we don't. Yeah, the EMF. I know. People are like, the EMF's in your Tesla. I'm like, it's only when it's charging and we're not in it. As long as you're out of the car. We don't go far enough that we have to supercharge on the road. Can't you make your husband charge it too? It charges in my garage overnight. You know another thing I don't do? Not even every day because I don't drive it that much. Gas. Gas.

Well, that's... I don't go to the gas station. I do not go to the gas station. And when I say I do not go to the gas station, I have ran out of gas 15 times this year. On the road? 15 times on the freeway, on the road, in the bad area. My assistant has to come bring me gas, ask her 15 times. But your husband is responsible for filling it up? If... Because that sounds like he did something wrong. What is the point of having a husband? Yes.

Yeah, I can't imagine taking on the burden of a gas guzzling car and having to go to get gas. I can't, like I said, get my nails done. Like, I don't want to go to the gas station. No, no. You need electric. I can be dominant in my business at home. You can get the gas. No, thank you. I don't want to do that. You can drive. Like, I'm good. Yeah. I don't want to do the gas.

No, nor should you. I don't think I should either. That is so funny. Okay, well, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for your time. We are so happy for you here at Toast HQ. Thank you. And we're excited for everything that you have to come. Where can everyone follow you and keep up with you? At Lauren Bostick.

You guys are crushing it. It's so amazing to have you guys as a part of the Dear Media family. We love it so much. We really do. It's one of my favorite podcasts by far. Thank you. You guys do such a good job. Thank you. Thanks for inviting me on. That means a lot coming from you. Thank you so much. And it's crazy that the next time, you have to come on our podcast next. The next time we will have three children. Yes. So good. And we'll talk all about that and see how crunchy that made us. Don't get an escalator.

Don't get an Escalade. Get a Bentley. Don't fill it up with gas. Thank you guys so much for listening to The Toast. We will see you on the next one. Love ya. Bye.