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Red Cross chief: 'Gaza worse than hell on Earth'

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Mirjana Spoljaric: 我认为加沙地带的情况已经超越了任何可以接受的法律、道德和人道标准,那里的巴勒斯坦人的人格尊严被剥夺,国际人道主义法被掏空。我们不能继续袖手旁观,眼睁睁地看着那里的人民被完全剥夺了人格尊严,这应该震惊我们所有人的良知。虽然以色列有权自卫,但不能以此为借口剥夺儿童的食物、健康和安全。各国领导人有义务采取行动,现在就应该采取行动,拯救生命。 Barbara Pletosha: 我从目击者和民防机构以及医院的医务人员那里得到的信息是,在汗尤尼斯的一所学校里,一枚无人机击中了属于一个家庭的两顶帐篷,造成12人死亡。以色列通常声称他们袭击的学校被哈马斯利用,但最终付出代价的总是平民。

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The president of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) describes the situation in Gaza as 'worse than hell on Earth', highlighting the stripping of human dignity and the violation of international humanitarian law. The ICRC president calls for immediate action from state leaders to address the crisis.
  • ICRC president Mirjana Spoljaric's assessment of Gaza as 'worse than hell on Earth'
  • Violation of international humanitarian law
  • Dozens of Palestinians killed trying to reach aid
  • Call for immediate international action

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This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Janet Jalil and at 13 hours GMT on Wednesday the 4th of June, these are our main stories. The Red Cross tells the BBC that Gaza is worse than hell on earth after dozens of Palestinians were killed trying to reach aid sites in recent days. We have a special report on the man accused of masterminding illegal mining operations in South Africa. He's been charged with murder and murder of a man who was

The Australian woman who cooked a deadly mushroom lunch tells a court how she threw up the meal. Also in this podcast... If we understand the molecular mechanisms better, we've got a hope to reverse the rise in eczema that we've seen in recent generations. Scientists find that dogs could prevent eczema in at-risk children.

A place worse than hell on earth. That's the assessment of the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross talking about the situation in Gaza right now.

Mirjana Spoljaric told the BBC that Palestinians have been stripped of human dignity and that international humanitarian law is being hollowed out. Her comments follow the killing this week of dozens of Palestinians who were trying to reach food distribution centres set up by a controversial new US and Israeli-backed organisation which has taken over the role of handing out aid in Gaza from experienced agencies like the Red Cross.

The group called the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has suspended its operations now for a day, but there have been more deaths in Gaza, with 12 Palestinians killed after an Israeli strike hit a school housing displaced people. We'll have more on that in a moment, but first let's hear more from the head of the ICRC. She was speaking to our international editor, Jeremy Bowen. Humanity is failing in Gaza. It is failing. We cannot continue to watch what is happening. It's

It's surpassing any acceptable legal, moral and humane standard. The level of destruction, the level of suffering, but more importantly the fact that we are watching a people being entirely stripped of its human dignity should really shock our collective conscience.

Israel, of course, says it's acting in self-defence. Every state has a right to defend itself and every mother has a right to see her children return. There's no excuse for hostage-taking. There is no excuse for depriving children from their access to food, health and security. There are rules.

in the conduct of hostilities that every party to every conflict has to respect. So you are talking, though, let's be clear about this, about the consequences of Israel's offensive. It's the consequence, as far as I'm concerned, of the whole world watching a type of warfare that shows utmost disrespect for civilians.

that deprives civilians of their dignity entirely. Today we are in it. Today we can reverse it. We can save lives today. That's why it's important to act now. State leaders are under an obligation to act. I'm calling on them to do something and to do more and to do what they can because it will reverberate. It will haunt them. It will reach their doorsteps.

Mariana Spoljevic, the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, speaking to Jeremy Bowen. During the Gaza war, international journalists have not been allowed in by Israel. So our correspondent, Barbara Pletosha, is monitoring the latest violence in the territory from Jerusalem.

We have information from eyewitnesses and the civil defense agency as well as medics in the hospital that 12 people have been killed at a school in Khan Yunis. Now, as you know, of course, their schools in Gaza are essentially not operating, but they are widely used.

by displaced people. And we understand that many hundreds came to this school recently because the Israelis have just put out new evacuation orders in Khan Yunis, telling people to move out of certain areas as they step up their offensive. And what we've been told is that a drone hit two tents in the grounds of the school, tents belonging to one family, and 12 people were killed there.

and a number wounded. And we haven't got a response yet from the Israelis. Usually when they strike schools, they say they're being used by Hamas. Although at the end of the day, it is the civilians who pay the price.

The illegal mining trade in South Africa is highly lucrative and poses a serious problem for the authorities. One man, known as Tiger, is accused of controlling the illegal operations at an abandoned gold mine near Stilfontein. He's managed to evade a police manhunt for the past four months. 78 corpses were discovered in the depths of the mine in January and police arrested some of the miners illegally working there.

Many of these men come from South Africa's landlocked neighbour Lesotho. Our Africa correspondent Mayani Jones went there looking for Tiger and others involved in the dangerous mining trade. I'm in a village in the area of Bobete, which is right in the middle of Lesotho, about 300 kilometres drive from the capital Masaru to the east. And we've come here because one of the stillfontein miners who died...

lived here, came from here. I'm actually walking past his house right now and one of the buildings, it's two stone buildings, one of them is missing a roof and we're told that that's the reason he went down the mine to try and make some money to replace the roof and provide for his family. 39-year-old Supang grew up in Bobete. He chose to leave his wife and three children three years ago to work in illegal mining in South Africa.

His family said they didn't realize he was an illegal miner or zamazama until a relative called them to tell them he died in Stillfontein. He left the village to try and find food for his family and to save money to build a roof on his house. Supang's aunt, Mabologa Nkasonyane, says he died from lack of food and medication.

How does it make you feel to think about him down in that mine for months without food or medication? It makes us really sad. We don't think the South African government handled the situation well. They should have tried other ways to arrest the miners. This situation has destroyed our family. The police in South Africa say the Stillfontaine miners had many escape routes and chose to stay put to avoid arrest.

The majority of the miners were illegal migrants from countries in the region. Lesotho is one of the poorest countries on earth and men have been leaving here to work in South African mines for decades. Getting to some of the villages that some of the Zamazamas come from is no mean feat. A lot of the roads are untarred along steep mountains and deep valleys.

These are incredibly remote places where there isn't much economic activity. And it gives you a sense as to why some of these men might decide to go elsewhere to make a living. On the other side of the country is the home of James Nyo Tsuaydi, a.k.a. Tiger, the man South African authorities claim was the ringleader of the Stillfontaine mine. His friends and family deny this. He's escaped custody and is now on the run. I've come to meet his mother. Hello.

Tiger's mum, Mampuswaidi, hasn't seen her son in eight years. How does it make you feel to hear that people are writing that about him in newspapers in South Africa, that he's a criminal? It really hurts me a lot. I think maybe he will die there, or maybe he has died already.

Or if he survives and eventually comes home, maybe I'll already have died. The police say several illegal miners accused him of being responsible for some of the deaths, assault and torture in Stillfontein. Researcher and activist Mahotla Sefuli says those at the top of the criminal gangs that run the illegal mines in South Africa never work on the ground.

It is about layers of people who are involved.

and sometimes are very powerful people. Back in Bobete, Supang's family recently got his body back and were able to bury him. But unless the authorities can find ways to stop the illegal mining industry from being so lucrative, more families may have to experience what they've been through. Mayani Jones reporting from Lesotho.

An Australian woman accused of murdering three relatives with a beef Wellington lunch containing toxic mushrooms has told her trial that she made herself sick by eating too much cake after the meal. Erin Patterson denied that she had intentionally put her own meal on a different type of plate from her guests at that fateful lunch two years ago. She repeatedly wept as she gave evidence. Our Australia correspondent Katie Watson was in the packed courtroom.

The court heard about her preparations for the beef wellington and the fact that she, instead of making a large beef wellington, she had made individual beef wellingtons. She didn't find the right cut of meat. She did say, though, that she didn't eat much of that beef wellington. She was too busy talking, but then told the court that in the hours after the guests had left, she...

ate about two-thirds of a cake that her mother-in-law, Gail Patterson, had brought for the lunch. And then she made herself sick after that. And this builds on evidence that we heard yesterday about the fact that she had, since her 20s, had episodes of binge eating and she talked about her unhealthy relationship with her body image.

There is interest here in the community, there's interest more widely in Australia and of course the world. And that's something that the judge made very clear to the jury at the beginning of this trial that they needed to make sure that they weren't listening to any news about this trial, that they turned the television off, that they turned the pages over of a paper they scrolled on so that they were just looking at the evidence in front of them. And now this afternoon we heard more details

about the hours and days after the lunch and her behaviour. And her lawyer has said that he's close to finishing questioning of Erin Patterson. And then we should be hearing from the prosecution who will spend several days cross-examining her. Katie Watson, thousands of protesters in Bulgaria have gathered outside Parliament in the capital Sofia to show their opposition to the government's plans to join the euro.

This comes as the European Commission has finally given Bulgaria the green light to join the Eurozone from next year, making it the 21st country to do so. But some in Bulgaria fear the move could lead to higher prices and less autonomy.

I want Bulgaria to be independent, sovereign, strong and free. If they take away our Bulgarian left, I'm afraid that one by one they will take away everything. Our Central Europe correspondent Nick Thorpe reports.

Both the European Commission and the European Central Bank issued statements on Wednesday afternoon saying Bulgaria has now met all main criteria to join the Eurozone. That's now scheduled to take place on the 1st of January next year, subject to final approval by the Council of Ministers of the EU.

While the National Parliament has a strong majority in favour of the move, protesters organised by the opposition Revival Party gathered outside. Many Bulgarians fear that their savings could be harmed and that prices will rise, despite official reassurances that there will be no negative impact. Nick Thorpe.

Still to come on the Global News Podcast. Putting data centres in space is technically possible, depending on the size of the data centre. It means if you leave something there, it just stays there. A possible new frontier for data centres. Hours after his decisive victory in South Korea's presidential election, the country's new leader, Lee Jae-myung, was sworn into office.

I am obeying the constitutional law for the peace of the country. The new leader spoke of the need to heal the wounds of division after months of political turmoil. Last December, his predecessor, Yung Sung-nyul, was impeached for trying to impose military law.

Mr. Lee also faces a daunting task of trying to boost South Korea's economy as Donald Trump threatens to slap hefty tariffs on it. He's also pledged to improve relations with an increasingly belligerent North Korea. So who is Mr. Lee and how might he approach these challenges? The retired South Korean Lieutenant General In Bum-chun, who's now a political and military analyst, spoke to Victoria Uwong-Kunda.

Mr. Lee comes from a very underprivileged family background. He did not have a decent formal education. He had to earn his way up. So I think he's going to be a person for the underdog of Korean society. But at the same time, I hope that he understands that he is the president of the Republic of Korea.

not only be underprivileged, but it takes everybody to run a country. So I'm hoping that he will also at the same time have a holistic view of Korean society. Right now, Korean economy is very challenged. We've had a long time of leadership void, and he's going to have to fill that up as soon as possible, especially in the economics. I think he is

Focusing on that as we speak. You talked about polarization. The new president, Mr. Lee, campaigned on the promise of uniting a divided country. How does he achieve that? Well, it's compromise and negotiations. To me, compromise is you only get half of what you want. But in Korean politics today, it seems it's a zero-sum game.

I hope that he gets away from this habit and he starts looking at the minority opinion. We think that democracy is majority rule. Yes, but at the same time, you must respect the opinions of the minority. For the past six months, there have been 0% growth in the Korean economy.

South Korean military analyst In Bum-chun.

Staying in that part of the world now because South Korea is just one of many East Asian countries having to contend with a dramatic fall in birth rates. Just a few years after China scrapped its one-child limit for parents, Vietnam has now announced that it's scrapping a two-child limit that's been in place since the 1980s. And Japan has reported that the number of babies born last year is the lowest since records began.

I heard more about this trend from our Asia-Pacific editor, Mickey Bristow. China, the one-child policy, lots of people knew about that, but not so much in Vietnam. I think that's mainly because the Communist Party in Vietnam didn't enforce this policy as rigorously as it was enforced in China.

So, for example, if you weren't a Communist Party member, you perhaps only got a fine or a telling off, that kind of thing. And at other periods in Vietnam's recent history, the party hasn't really enforced this policy across the board. So that's perhaps why you haven't heard about it so much. But essentially what's happened is that the birth rate is falling. The number of babies women give birth to throughout their life has

has gone down a great deal, very sharply. And so essentially there's no need for this policy anymore. Women are already having fewer than two, on average, fewer than two children throughout their lifetime. So there's no need for this two-child policy. And it seems the picture might be even more bleak in Japan, which has seen an even faster decline in the birth rate than it was predicting even just a few years ago.

Across East Asia, there's falling birth rates and Japan is the most advanced or it's further along down that road. The birth number of children born last year fell below 700,000 for the first time since records began way back in 1899. And this pace of decline is even catching demographers by surprise. It was only a couple of years ago that they predicted this level of births wouldn't be reached until the end of

of the next decade. So it just shows you how the birth rate is falling there. And really, if you're a young person, within your lifetime, you're going to see the population drop dramatically to perhaps half of what it is in Japan at the moment. Mickey Bristow.

Data centres are popping up all over the world, especially with the rise of artificial intelligence. But they take up a lot of land, are prone to overheating and require vast amounts of energy and security. So could putting these centres in space solve such problems? It may sound far-fetched, but Dr Domenico Vicinanza from Anglia Ruskin University in the UK told us the idea is taking off.

Putting data center in space is technically possible, depending on the size of the data center. A few months ago, in March 2025, a company called Lone Star sent a shoebox-sized mini data center on its way towards the moon.

One of the places people are looking at is a very special location between the Earth and the Moon called Lagrange Point. It's a kind of like stable point where the gravity of the Earth and one of the Moon, they balance each other. And it's really good because it means if you leave something there, it just stays there.

but it's also exposed to the sun. The temperature is comparable to the earth and good enough for, let's say, a computer to run without worrying about overheating. And you can actually place solar panel. We want free energy and free cooling if possible.

And of course, it means having robots, but also sending repair crews, highly trained engineers to do any reparation. And that is a very complex and costly affair. There is one application that I think is probably going to kickstart the whole thing, which is looking at satellite data, data that are collected in space. And they are used either in space for navigation or are used on Earth. Having data processing in space could be really useful.

Dr. Domenico Vicinanza. Ice hockey was hit hard by the COVID pandemic, with empty arenas and financial losses threatening the sport's future. But five years on, North America's National Hockey League has come roaring back with packed stadiums and a wider fan base. In Canada, Sam Gruet looks at how the sport is about to enjoy a record-breaking season with predicted revenues of $6.6 billion.

Welcome to game night in Toronto and a sport being driven by new teams, new technology and new fans like Selena. I am a big fan of the professional women's hockey league. So I'm also really excited for that. And that starts next week as well. But definitely with the women's league coming up, I've definitely started getting more into like the men's league because of that.

This evening's game is a Pride Night, one of many themed evenings across professional hockey, promoting diversity and inclusion. I got my Pride socks on. I think it's absolutely great. People have always been in sports and I feel like games like this really bring out the energy and the excitement for that. Everyone's welcome. And things like tonight show that everyone is. I think that's really important.

From the stands, it's not hard to see why this fast and furious game is so popular, with big hits and late drive. But as the packed crowds make their way out of the arena, it's a visual reminder of how far the sport has come since 2020. The NHL just announcing that they are pausing the season due to the coronavirus. Nick Eves saw the impact firsthand.

as Chief Operating Officer of NHL side the Toronto Maple Leafs. Every one of our revenue sources dried up. Obviously no ticketing revenue, no food and beverage revenue. It was a terrible couple of years of no revenue being generated and lost time. 4,000 kilometres west across North America, the NHL's newest franchise was taking to the ice for the first time. And tonight...

We are finally ready to open Climate Pledge Arena as the Seattle Kraken take the ice for the very first time. Chief Marketing Officer Katie Townsend says the team and the league has come a long way since then. I feel incredibly proud of the brand that we launched. And the work off the ice has inspired new audiences to get involved in the sport too.

We have a female assistant GM, Alexandra Mandrycki, who was actually the first member of our Hockey Ops team. And now really the kind of forefront of this is Jessica Campbell, one of our assistant coaches, who is the first female coach coaching behind the bench for an NHL team. And I think that's important. It's important that people see people who look like them within the world of hockey. It's important for the growth of the fan base. It's something 22-year-old superfan Selena agrees with.

I feel like a lot more women have been looking to the game. I think it's Seattle that has their first women coach in history. And I think, you know, that's really big. That's really showing the world that, you know, women are part of the game. As does Dr. Anne Peguerrero, Lang Chair in Sports Management at the University of Guelph in Canada.

I think that a lot of the new money coming into sport has to do with probably the increasing ability of the NHL to demonstrate a diverse audience, both demographically in terms of age and demographically in terms of racial makeup and gender. So we've got several different factors, I think, that have all come together to bring a booming business back to the NHL.

That report by Sam Gruay. And finally, some good news for any children listening who are trying to convince parents they should get a dog. A new study suggests that growing up with one could help prevent eczema in children who are genetically prone to the condition. A team led by scientists in the UK and Germany exposed lab-grown human skin cells to molecules from dogs.

and found that instead of triggering an allergy, they work to suppress skin inflammation. Professor Sarah Brown from the University of Edinburgh says the findings could offer a chance to intervene and prevent allergic disease. It's really given us a hint and a hope that if we understand the molecular mechanisms better, we've got a hope to reverse the rise in eczema that we've seen in recent generations.

With more details, here's Katrina Renton. Eczema is an itchy skin disorder caused by a combination of genetic and environmental effects. The international team examined data from almost 300,000 people to investigate whether those who are prone to developing eczema might respond according to environmental factors, including pet dogs, elder siblings, smoking.

and washing practices. Lab tests found that dog skin cells that can trigger an allergy may instead work to suppress human skin inflammation. The study did not look at the effect of dog exposure in the treatment of existing eczema and experts caution that introducing a dog may make symptoms worse in some children. Katrina Renton.

And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. This edition was mixed by Nick Randall. The producers were Chantal Hartle and Siobhan Leahy. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Janet Jalil. Until next time, goodbye.