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Ankur Desai: 美国对伊朗核设施进行了精确打击,摧毁了三个核设施。伊朗外长谴责这次袭击,并警告说会带来永久的后果。伊朗国家电视台宣布向以色列发射新一轮导弹。 Donald Trump: 我宣布美国对伊朗的核设施进行了打击,目标是摧毁伊朗的核浓缩能力,阻止其成为恐怖主义赞助国。如果伊朗不寻求和平,将面临更严重的袭击。我要感谢内塔尼亚胡总理和美国军队的行动。 Nomi Iqbal: 特朗普呼吁伊朗谈判,否则将采取更多行动,这是一个巨大的赌博。如果伊朗袭击美国军队和基地,那将是一个巨大的时刻。特朗普希望这是一次性的行动,但他的讲话自相矛盾,他既想取悦党内的鹰派,又想取悦孤立主义者。如果美国军队因此次行动而伤亡,特朗普的支持者会感到背叛。美国民众对乌克兰和阿富汗、伊拉克战争感到厌倦,如果特朗普决定进一步行动,支持率会很低。 Bahman Kalbasi: 数百万伊朗人关注当局是否会决定攻击和回应,或者淡化此事,避免与美国对抗。伊朗国家电视台的评论员和主持人表示,此事不会没有回应,这场战争是特朗普发起的,但我们将结束它。一位官员表示,所有铀浓缩和其他有价值的资产都已事先撤出,并向民众保证没有辐射风险。普通伊朗人醒来后会感到担忧,他们担心政府会为了挽回面子而做出回应。大多数鄙视政府的人不希望为核计划付出更多代价,因为这已经给伊朗造成了数十亿美元的损失。现在很难看到任何谈判,因为伊朗已经没有什么可以提供的了,而且内塔尼亚胡破坏了谈判。如果伊朗不回应,以色列会停止攻击吗? Benjamin Netanyahu: 特朗普对伊朗核设施的果断打击将改变历史,美国完成了其他国家无法完成的事情。特朗普阻止了世界上最危险的政权拥有最危险的武器,他的领导创造了一个历史转折点。先有力量,后有和平,特朗普和美国展现了强大的力量。 Dan Johnson: 这对内塔尼亚胡来说是一个巨大的胜利,他实现了他的主要战争目标。内塔尼亚胡一直认为伊朗对以色列构成生存威胁,并警告伊朗的核武器野心。美国袭击伊朗,伊朗此前承诺这将意味着不可弥补的损害,美国将被卷入冲突。伊朗试图淡化袭击的影响,称特朗普是在虚张声势,并表示损失有限。伊朗的反应将是一个巨大的悬而未决的问题。中东地区可能会高度关注此事,并可能造成巨大影响。以色列已经处于高度戒备状态,并加强了军事和安全部署,以防范可能的袭击。伊朗可能会采取行动,对全球产生更广泛的影响,例如控制霍尔木兹海峡的石油流量。伊朗将试图展示其承诺的回应能力。 Aina Islam: 华盛顿的反应按党派划分,共和党支持特朗普,民主党则认为违宪。联合国秘书长对美国的袭击表示严重关切,并称其为对国际和平与安全的直接威胁。哈马斯发表声明称,美国的野蛮侵略是危险的升级,公然违反了国际法。特朗普说,对福尔多(Fordow)的主要地点投下了全部炸弹。 Jonathan Marcus: 福尔多是伊朗重要的核设施,深埋在山中,以色列无法触及。只有美国拥有可以摧毁福尔多的武器,即3万磅的掩体炸弹,只能由B-2轰炸机携带。B-2轰炸机可以从美国起飞,轰炸伊朗的目标,然后返回其他基地。目前还不清楚袭击造成的破坏程度。我们正处于该地区战略变革的关键时刻。伊朗的战略正处于崩溃的边缘。哈马斯和真主党是伊朗的关键盟友,但他们已经被削弱。伊朗政权正处于困境,将不得不非常谨慎地考虑下一步行动。

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This is an extra edition of the Global News Podcast on the US strikes on Iran from the BBC World Service. I'm Ankur Desai and at five o'clock GMT on Sunday, the 22nd of June, these are the headlines. President Trump says the US has carried out precision strikes on three nuclear sites in Iran, totally obliterating them. The Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, calls his decision bold. First comes strength.

In comes peace. And tonight, President Trump and the United States acted with a lot of strength. But Iran's foreign minister calls the attacks outrageous and warns they will have everlasting consequences.

The United States has attacked nuclear sites in Iran, thereby entering the war launched by Israel against Iran nine days ago. In a televised address at the White House, President Trump said the three sites had been obliterated and urged Iran to make either peace or face more strikes. Let's hear what he had to say. A short time ago, the U.S. military carried out massive precision strikes on the three key nuclear facilities,

in the Iranian regime, Fordow, Natanz and Esfahan. Everybody heard those names for years as they built this horribly destructive enterprise. Our objective was the destruction of Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity and a stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's number one state sponsor of terror,

Tonight, I can report to the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success. Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated. Iran, the bully of the Middle East, must now make peace. If they do not, future attacks will be far greater and a lot easier. I want to thank and congratulate Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu

We worked as a team like perhaps no team has ever worked before. And we've gone a long way to erasing this horrible threat to Israel. I want to thank the Israeli military for the wonderful job they've done. And most importantly, I want to congratulate the great American patriots who flew those magnificent machines tonight and all of the United States military on an operation the likes of which the world has not seen in many, many decades.

Hopefully, we will no longer need their services in this capacity. I hope that's so. With all of that being said, this cannot continue. There will be either peace or there will be tragedy for Iran far greater than we have witnessed over the last eight days. Remember, there are many targets left. Tonight's was the most difficult of them all by far and perhaps the most lethal.

But if peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed and skill. Most of them can be taken out in a matter of minutes. There's no military in the world that could have done what we did tonight. Not even close. There has never been a military that could do what took place just a little while ago. God bless the Middle East. God bless Israel and God bless America. Thank you very much.

President Trump. Our North America correspondent Nomi Iqbal was watching President Trump's address to the nation and gave me her thoughts. It was interesting because when he arrived to give that speech from the East Room, he was surrounded by his close aides, his Vice President J.D. Vance, the Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and the Secretary of Defense Pete Hague said maybe to try and show unity. But he stuck to a script. Donald

Donald Trump then went on his social media later, as he often does, to express even more opinions. But I think the fact that he had called on Iran to negotiate and then threatening more action if they didn't return to diplomatic efforts, that was interesting. I mean, it's a huge gamble.

for a president who has long vowed to keep America out of foreign intervention. And I think ultimately it comes down to how will Iran react? Because if Iran reacts by attacking US troops and bases in the region, I think that would be a pretty seismic moment. I mean, it already is a seismic moment for President Trump's presidency, but I think it would be even more of a big moment for him in terms of

how his base would react. Remember, his base do not want him to get involved in these wars. And how much of a gamble is this? You touched upon it from the president. Is this his hope of a one and done or the repercussions are something we still don't know what they could look like for him?

Well, I think he hopes it's one and done, but his address to the nation was pretty contradictory. He was basically threatening Iran with more action if they didn't return to diplomatic efforts. That doesn't sound like one and done. And so on the one hand, I think that he's walking a tightrope. He wants to please the hawks in the party, but...

But also, please, the isolationists, the ones who don't want to be involved in anything abroad like this. And there's been plenty of mixed reactions from his party and from other lawmakers. But like we've been discussing, it really depends on how Iran reacts. The Supreme Leader warned earlier this week if America joins Israel in bombing their country, then there will be, to quote the Supreme Leader, irreparable harm. What does that look like if it does involve...

killing American troops that are based across the region. If that does happen as a result of what actions Mr. Trump has taken, then I do think there will be a huge amount of supporters of his in this country who will feel betrayed. And just lastly, on that final point you did make there, he's warned that the US could go after other targets, but it seems as though the US is already war-weary from Ukraine. So what support is there likely to be for that?

War weary from Ukraine, but also from the forever wars in Afghanistan, in Iraq. Polls show that nearly half of Americans do not want to get dragged into any kind of foreign war. So it will be a huge gamble for President Trump if he decides to go further. Nomi Iqbal in Washington.

The Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Arachi has described the US attacks as outrageous and warned they will have everlasting consequences. He said Tehran reserves all options to defend its sovereignty. And as we record this podcast, Iranian State TV has announced the launch of a new salvo of missiles against Israel. Our BBC Persian correspondent Bahman Kalbasi, who's in New York, is monitoring reaction inside Iran.

all eyes of millions of people in Iran as they're waking up right now is on those authorities to see if they have decided to attack and respond to this attack, or will they downplay it and try to not drag Iran into a confrontation with the United States as they are already in a confrontation with Israel following Israel's attack last week. And that

back and forth has already disrupted lives of millions of people, has taken the lives of hundreds of hundreds of civilians and thousands are wounded. So the country and much of the population would prefer for this to end and end now.

So how did the authorities respond is the real question so far. And the people who are speaking on state TV, whether it be commentators or hosts, seem to be doing their default reaction, which is this will not be going unresponded to. This is a war that Donald Trump started, but we will end it. At some point, doubting if the attack was even effective, right?

Then we heard from one official saying all uranium enrichment and other valuable assets in these sites had already been taken out before. We know two of the three sites had already been attacked by Israel, but Fordow was the one that hadn't been. So giving some reassurance to the population around these centers that there is no chance of radiation, but...

That's all we've got. On top of it, we have the Atomic Energy Agency of Iran saying this was a massive violation of international law, but Iran's entire nuclear industry will live and will continue. Just two brief questions. What do you think the reaction will be from ordinary Iranians waking up this morning? Worry. They are worried that the government will respond to this to save face, especially for their supporters.

And for the majority that despises this government, they do not want to pay any more price for this nuclear program that has already cost Iran billions and billions of dollars, both directly and indirectly in sanctions and pressures from the international community. So there is that reality that they simply are

are hopeful this stops here, but are worried that it will actually escalate. And just briefly, will this attack on Iran help to de-escalate, I guess, the situation and bring Tehran to the negotiating table, which is what Donald Trump was suggesting? Or will there be retaliation from Iran's friends in the Middle East? I mean, it's hard to see any negotiations right now, because first, what does Iran have to bring to offer to the table anymore? Because apparently, according to Donald Trump, the nuclear program is over.

But the other reality is Iran was at the negotiating table when Netanyahu decided to disrupt that by attacking Iran. I think the real question is,

If they decide not to respond, is does Israel stop attacking Iran as well? If this is mission accomplished for Israel and the United States, is this the end of Israel's attacks on Iran and Iran's counterattacks on Israel? That also is a big question for the day. Bahman Kulbasi, in the past hours, we've heard from the man Donald Trump called his teammate in these strikes. In a pre-recorded video, the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, called it a turning point in history. Congratulations, President Trump.

Your bold decision to target Iran's nuclear facilities with the awesome and righteous might of the United States will change history. In Operation Rising Line, Israel has done truly amazing things. But in tonight's action against Iran's nuclear facilities, America has been truly unsurpassed. It has done what no other country on earth could do. History will record.

that President Trump acted to deny the world's most dangerous regime the world's most dangerous weapons. His leadership today has created a pivot of history that can help lead the Middle East and beyond to a future of prosperity and peace. President Trump and I often say, peace through strength. First comes strength, then comes peace. And tonight, President Trump and the United States acted with a lot of strength.

President Trump, I thank you. The people of Israel, thank you. The forces of civilization, thank you. God bless America. God bless Israel. And may God bless our unshakable alliance, our unbreakable faith. Well, let's cross now to Jerusalem and talk to our correspondent there, Dan Johnson. This looks like a big win for Mr. Netanyahu. He's achieved what some may say his primary war goal.

Absolutely, yes. This is certainly what Benjamin Netanyahu had wanted to do for the last nine days while he's been launching airstrikes across Iran. It's something, really, that Benjamin Netanyahu has held as a key ambition throughout his political career. He has warned repeatedly as Israel's Prime Minister of the sort of existential threat that Iran posed to his country and to the Israeli population. He has repeatedly warned of Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions,

his belief that Iran was only perhaps weeks, months or a few years away from obtaining a nuclear weapon that it would be prepared to use to wipe out Israel. He has warned repeatedly of that. He has called for US support and we don't know how he achieved this but against

Thank you very much.

two-week window, that pause that Donald Trump had laid out to allow talks, negotiations to take place. In the end, it was only two days before those bunker-busting B-2 bomber raids were launched last night, attacking those nuclear sites across

But there is going to be a war of words now about exactly what this means. The symbolism is obvious. The U.S. has attacked Iran, and Iran had already promised that that would mean irreparable damage, an escalation that would draw the U.S. now into this conflict, that targets would be hit, that the U.S. would feel the impact of this. But Iran is already trying to play down the impact already.

of these strikes. It's talked of Donald Trump's announcements as a bluff, saying that the sites have been evacuated, that the damage is limited. Perhaps that's going to be Iran's approach in the aftermath of this, telling its people that this doesn't really matter so much, that the damage is limited, that it hasn't had much of an impact, and therefore that may temper the response. It will be interesting to see now. No doubt this is a huge moment, a dangerous moment, but what Iran does in response is the massive open question.

And that's what I wanted to finish with. There seems to be defined rhetoric from both sides. But is this going to cause huge concern across the wider Middle East? And what could what you touched on, the repercussions, be? Oh, absolutely. There is a heightened state of alert already in Israel this morning. Israelis are only just waking up.

to this news and trying to get their heads around exactly what it means. But we're already told there will be further restrictions on gatherings in this country. There is a heightened military and security presence on the streets to try to guard against what we are now likely to see in terms of a response. We've already seen over the last nine days that Iran, despite all the attacks, is still able to launch missiles into this country, into Israel, and to cause damage on the ground. Iran had promised that if the U.S. got involved, the U.S. would feel safe.

the backlash. There are so many US military service personnel who are stationed in different countries close to Iran. We're talking about military bases in Iraq, which Iran has attacked before, in the Gulf. There are all sorts of targets. Iran could also take action that would have a much wider impact on the global stage. It can control the oil flows through the Strait of Hormuz, about 30% of the world's oil that comes through there. Iran may choose to try to choke that and have much wider rippling effects, but certainly

While Benjamin Netanyahu talks of this leading to a future of prosperity and peace, the likelihood of the next few days is that Iran will be trying to show what it is capable of in terms of the promised response that it had offered its people if indeed these attacks were launched. People will now be looking to see if Iran can live up to its promises in terms of delivering on that sort of threat.

Dan Johnson, let's bring you some more reaction. Our reporter, Aina Islam. Aina, what's the reaction been so far to the U.S. strikes?

Well, in Washington, it's split down party lines, as you'd expect. So leading Republicans in Congress, Speaker Mike Johnson and Senator John Toon have said they stand by Donald Trump because the strikes are a necessary check on Iran's ambitions of developing a nuclear weapon. But Democrats argue it's unconstitutional because the president didn't get congressional approval. And the voice fears that this could drag the U.S. into a forever war.

Michigan Representative Rashida Tlaib, who's American-Palestinian, said we've seen where decades of endless war in the Middle East gets us, all based on the lie of weapons of mass destruction. The U.N. Secretary General has said he's gravely alarmed and called the U.S. strikes a direct threat to international peace and security. Countries allied to Iran, including Venezuela and Cuba, have also condemned the strikes, while New Zealand and Australia have called for dialogue.

The Palestinian group Hamas has released a very short statement saying the brutal U.S. aggression is a dangerous escalation and flagrant violation of international law. Now, of course, we heard from Israel earlier, Benjamin Netanyahu hailing it a bold historic move, but we haven't really had much reaction from other powers in the region. We're likely to hear from them and the rest of the world in the coming hours.

And Aslam, reporting there, well, writing on social media before his address, President Trump also said that a full payload of bombs was dropped on the primary site, Fordow, and then right, Fordow is gone. The US is reported to have used B-2 bombers in the strikes. The defence analyst, Jonathan Marcus, has been telling me more about the significance of this attack.

The key issue for both Israel and the United States in this campaign against Iran has been that one of the key nuclear sites, Fordow, a site which was previously secret until it was revealed by the Americans, by President Obama many years ago, is deeply buried in a mountain. It's a site where the Iranians have conducted a significant amount of uranium enrichment operations.

And it's so deeply buried that the sorts of weaponry that the Israelis have simply couldn't reach it. So if it was going to be destroyed, only the Americans have a weapon that could reach it. That is this 30,000 pound bunker busting munition. It can only be carried by the American B-2 bomber, which...

We heard earlier in the day that B-2 bombers had left their base in Missouri. I've been there. It's a typical American airbase. These sort of bat-winged looking planes, sort of flying wing type planes, operate from there. And of course, the key thing about the B-2 is that not just that it carries this weapon, but that actually it has the range with aerial refueling and the endurance

to be able to fly from the United States, potentially to have bombed targets in Iran, and then to recover to a base somewhere else. We don't know the details of that operation yet.

So the Israelis are clearly eager that the Americans would come in, given that they have this specific capability. And despite the will-he-won't-hes and the uncertainties and the mixed signals coming from President Donald Trump, he clearly now decided to act. How much damage can they do? Is it likely that the bombs they could carry could have completely destroyed the nuclear facilities?

Well, we don't know how many aircraft were involved in the strike. We clearly don't know how much damage was done. There was a lot of debate prior to this, scepticism on the part of some people as to how effective these weapons would be, others showing great confidence that these deep earth-penetrating bombs would be able to do the job. I mean, we simply don't know. I think, though, far more pertinent

profound than a debate as to the exact level of damage at Fordow is the fact that we stand now, I think, tonight and this morning at a moment of profound strategic change in the region.

I mean, for all of the curious behavior of Donald Trump, from all of the threats of dire repercussions on the part of the Iranians, the fact remains that Iran, one of the most powerful countries in the region, a country that orchestrated terror,

chaos had put the destruction of the State of Israel firmly as its main strategic goal in the region, its whole strategy is now in

in tatters. It stems, of course, from the attack from Hamas into Israel, which has brought chaos, carnage, and horror upon the Palestinian people. But in strategic terms, that's in human terms, in strategic terms, it's knocked out a key ally of Iran, Hamas.

Hamas. Then Hezbollah pitched into the fray, really Iran's most important ally in Lebanon. It was knocked out of the contest. Its leadership decimated, much of its missile stocks destroyed.

Syria, along the way, the regime collapsed, another key ally of the Iranians. And so the Iranians were left pretty much to face the Israelis on their own. So, you know, the Iranian strategy, as I say, is in tatters. The Iranian regime is on the ropes. And for all the threats of dire retribution and so on, the Iranian regime is going to have to think very, very carefully about what it does next.

Defence analyst Jonathan Marcus. And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this episode or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. And you can also find us on X, formerly known as Twitter, at BBC World Service. You can use the hashtag Global News Podcast.

This edition was mixed by Chris Hansen and the producers were Marion Strawn and Stephen Yensen. The editor is Karen Martin and I'm Ankur Desai. Until next time, goodbye.

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