#730 - Mike Thurston - The Harsh Reality Of Trying To Improve
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What's happening, people, welcome back to the show at my yesterday is mike Susan. He's a pod caster, eu tuba and a fitness model. Mean mike went to university fifteen years ago. And yet in twenty twenty four, many of the problems that we counted back then have gotten even worse.

Why is there a lack of confidence, overly comparative mindsets and body, this movie so persistent? And how do we go about fixing IT? Expect to learn why male body disruption is on track to overtake female body.

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Male body to movie is on track to overtake female body to move a within the next few decades. That surprise you.

Now thing is always been a thing, but especially now with how big social media is unheard, jack, so many people are. Uh, I think of course it's is a big problem. But do you know as a guy who's really good to calling people out for editing their photos, we seen that day this to know his name, but he's got quite big social media following basically anybody who has photo shops, their photo or videos, he gets them.

So he's doing a good job. He's making sure that people are being truthful with the things that they're posting. But that makes you think how many people are editing, even people who are literally jet and treated, they are still editing their photos further to bring in their waste, bring out the laws and just, it's crazy.

So especially with women as well. Imagine how bad that is for the other person who is compare themselves to all these people. And a lot of those people are actually still editing .

their photos to more people picked. They've just trained. We've got a pump. They're in good lighting.

They have have a good hotoke py, a good camera and good lens. They've a hand. And then on top of that, editing the photos. Yeah no, I think is one .

thing that mess me up a little bit when I competed. So I compete IT twice. And obvious. Ly, when you compete, that really is the best you are going to look probably in your life, especially for me, in terms of how low I got my body percentage. So when I would look in the mirror, particularly after the show, when I was, like, more memorable, I will be out pretty fat, because you had yourself that was good, yours to the serb ten percent body person I was look at in the mirror.

which is like, that says, IT all that not only can you have other people out there in the world for guys and girls that make them feel uncomfortable about their body, or the taller or more jack or whatever, but you can also be that for you too. You know, this is, I wanted to talk about this, like you're thirty four, thirty three, twenty three and twenty five and we're getting to the stage where will out, right? OK in recovery from workouts takes a little bit longer. Recovery from nights out takes an awful lot longer.

A couple more wrinkles on the forehead. My photographer keeps reminding me that she's rop.

Don't listen to them. Don't listen to them. Yeah, just thinking about, as that happens, you almost use yourself as what I used to be x or y, as I used to be this able to get up in a train hard or left this much, or be this lean or eat this many calories or whatever. And then you can, so you use yourself as your own barometer, and you know the discomfort that associated with that of not being as jacked as used to be, not being as able to recover from workouts you used to be like a harsh realization.

like the body is small fear. I think with mean particular. I i've not really been that person that always compared myself to others, but also i'm always comparing myself to myself and how good I have looked in the past.

That's what I am always, always comparing myself to. And you're right. I think fortunately for me now, I still feel like I I don't know if I have peak. I think especially I was to find tune a few things, the peak is still yet to come. But when I do have these thoughts of OK， well, so I only downhill from here yeah then I might .

you do know that I think about that. And this would everyone to call about IT like aging Gracefully. There's a man, whatever that means, right? Probably not taking all of yourself work from the way you look might be a good place, place to start. And I think, know how difficulty gna be, recovery from the workout and not being as jack, or not being the fastest gun, the room, or the strongest guy in room, whatever. But then you realize that that's like women from age twenty five.

Yeah I think we we has man have got a good like we can we can get older and age and get the the the grey whisk is more inkle. And if the gill kind of you might even make you look Better, like I remember I looked back at some footage from what I was even like, two, twenty seven, twenty eight. And I feel personal a lot Better now, like I had like, maybe I didn't help that. I was like clean, saving myself all the time.

but I looked growing with your style a little bit. But yeah, you know, for all that, I can be chronically fearful of my own mortality and getting older and all the rest of IT thinking. Yeah, but the speed of dissent isn't as rapid as IT is for deal women. So yeah, the male body to smooth, you are being on track to overtake female body to smooth you kind of doesn't surprise me.

I think you you probably have be careful with who you following, who you compare yourself to. Like if if you were an average guy and you are following the like, top one percent of athletes in the world, the top nor point, nor one percent, of course, you gonna feel pretty small in comparison to them. So IT depends, like for someone like me, if I am .

following, like the elite you trained with cagan this morning, yeah so one .

following them. I am a time person that gets inspired by, like I get motivated by that, but other people can take IT. The opposite will be like all that's unachievable. I'll never get there and I feel worthless yeah what .

is your relationship like with social media? Now I think .

I would love to not have to be on IT so much, but I know it's something which I need to be doing regularly more than ever, like, especially with what we do in today's day and age. You have to be everywhere, even to this day. I don't like how I still get sucked into IT every single time in terms of the the doom schooling. I go on there to do a task, then I get distracted by something, then i'm growling, then I go fifteen minutes fucking out my on. I didn't .

do the .

things they have to go back onto IT again. So I think yeah from that point of you, I hate how good IT is a just sucked you in and rewarding you now for just getting like a novation whatever. Um in terms of like youtube and stuff, i'm i'm quite selective with what I consume.

Like I want to go to youtube, but I like to watch things which i'm going to no doubt get educated bye. I like to watch a lot of podcast, anything which i'm going to learn something by instagram as well. It's is a bit mess.

I have IT. I like now to employ as many people as possible to just run the ball yeah so that I don't have to go to IT. I still actually the recent thing, I don't look her comments anymore, okay, that you still mess with the head. I think particularly like with the the gym related videos, I would do a gym workout or trying to do an educational video talk about like um how to do this excise or whatever and then the comment section or steroids steroid steroid steroid shows where he lies was fake. Ni, and this is like i'm i'm trying to help people yeah the the whole conversation is about whether or not i'm natural and IT you should annoy me so much that actually pivoted away from making gym videos that was so annoying .

that I was no one's talking about you up supposed store use in a lifestyle of log in mobi.

yeah. So like the the less Gerald stuff in IT, this kind of less negativity.

Do I think that that's something that's really true, that the audience gets to influence the direction of the creator in a lot of ways, and if they make them feel very uncomfortable about whatever is that they're doing, like gonna start to lean away from that type of company.

That was all the reasons why I got hair transplant when I was losing my hand. I was sitting really badly. I look back at IT now was like puff, like IT was pretty bad .

and I was like, I don't ever .

remember IT being. I was I there was a six months phase where probably should have just shaved IT like, you know how whenever once losing their hair, they try and just clean on to IT up any dissy tt little strings just, you know, it's looking pretty tic and lonely and the whole common section was just lose like and IT was just like I making these video yet all everybody wants to talk about is the hellos yeah what we spoke .

about this the last time that I had you on, I I mentioned that I admire the fact that you've chosen to stay out of internet drama as best you can. I think that's partly both yours and my disposition, which is just not very conflict person. I quite like having been chill and and peaceful and relaxing and i'm not in IT for the beef but the suddenly IT feels extra unfair if you haven't done made career out of you like James smith, right?

My partner neutronic, he made a career calling people out for like ship fitness advice, or lying about stuff for a, for editing photos of a do IT being unethical. It's kind of open season for him because guess what, like that the way that you went about? Think I knew because we were in the build up in this drink you started doing call that videos about prime and everything else not like James, you do know that by doing this you're just making IT open season on us. But any week for him it's like, alright well, you know, if you've spent a lot of time criticising other people kind of open season, you that's not to say that people who've never criticized should be insulted you .

for any criticism. But this is like how what I don't see you yes, why drag? Yeah, in a way, I was it's kind of good in one thanks because this exposure.

But when is a person of authority talking shit about you? Then they have A, A, A huge audience who do listen to every word they say influence. And it's kind of a it's a only one argument is being put forward. Of course, you could do a response video, give your side of IT, but where is the end? And then they're .

like that i've got i've got him yeah yeah. But I think no, even for the paper on content creators, everybody, especially with tiktok, tiktok is so the number followers you have basically doesn't count if you put an insane video on tiktok, guess what? There's a million likes on IT if it's really, really good.

And you catch the algorithm at the right time at sea, sea, which means now that everybody, content creator or mother, that happens to take a funny video of her dog doing something. Is open to the entire internet saying, oh that that animal abuse or whatever, you know I mean like this, just everybody y's open to criticism. And I think some kind of education about how to deal with criticism from strangers on the internet would probably be a pretty good thing for everybody to learn.

Yeah, I remember this when I started with youtube. I think whenever you want a platform, the people compost, anonymous, ly, duck, go harder to be more relentless with what IT is that they want to say. And I think that took me a bit of getting news to, and I almost had to learn, okay, I got to develop thick skin here in order to just Carry on.

We'd doing IT. I mean, even the people who are like the nicest guys ever that you were just and girls, you just think, how can you not like this person like such a liable person? There's still in hate for some thing.

Tons of this taste yeah well there's an ID called the bystander effect to you if you heard of this. No so um you have A A crime, let's say somebody who's been attacked right in the courtroom ard of a bunch of flats somewhere and everybody that lives in the flats, here's the attack going on and the someone you know screaming for help or saying, please ring the police or whatever.

All of the people think that one of the other people will do the right thing in cold the lease or whatever, the bystander effect. And there's kind of a an anonymity equivalent here, which is when you know that you're not going to be found out, you can almost lean in and be a little bit be way more mean no one is going to come after you. You're not going to be held accountable for things you say it's a burner account on youtube like you know I need to to some of the stuff like anti semitism and stuff that happened this year on like random common threads and i'll see people talking in code about like all like, you know, whatever reverse santi metis m crazy, crazy, crazy stuff.

One of things are interested in when the reasons I asked about the male is mopy a thing. And in your relationship with social media, I don't think I ve asked you this, what drove you in the first place to dedicate so much time to going to the german and building a business and and doing stuff like that because it's been a very, very long road, significantly more consistent than most people are. And now IT might be habit. But what was IT originally? I think .

originally on the back end of when facebook was its peak and then when instagram started? I think I just like being able to showcase all the hard work that I had put in with the gym. I was like a, like, this is an opportunity to show the world, like, this is what i've achieved.

But what about before that? What about when you started training? Like why? Right, training.

So I think IT was probably accommodation of a few different things because I plane rugby for solid nine years, and I enjoyed IT nothing near the end of last few years. A plane rugby like us, baby. I don't like the idea of being in a team. And I, I, i've became very frustrated sometimes when I wanted to do something like I wanted to switch this game around, but I had to rely on the of the fourteen players to sort their shit out there. I felt like a lot of time I was out control sort of.

I liked the way that the gym thing was a very individual thing that was not like I was just about you you in complete control um I remember the first time when I I I remember just walking into the the gym at the school that I went to the probable seventeen years old and nobody was there wasn't really thing. There was no, I had no idea what I was doing, but I I put like, my favourite music on the speakers and just start like just using a few the machines. And I was super happy doing IT.

And I remember looking in the mirror and saw a little bit of a pump on us, like, fuck out, like I look good. So that was that, the incident reward that you would get from going to the gym, which made me almost want more of IT. And then I think always wanted to just be A A bigger guy.

I can I remember there's one point when I was on ten thousand, fifteen or sixteen end up getting mug on a bus. So I was like, here, double take a bus and yeah, these two guys came on and basically you should start fucking with me and then want want to take my money. And I felt completely useless.

I could not do do anything about IT. I was like a little skinny hit back then. So I was shocked by the whole experience that I felt like completely unprepared for any kind of confrontation.

I thought, well, I put on subsides like, I know maybe I should learn how to fight, but the easier thing for me to do right now is, is to look like the type of guy that you probably wouldn't want to get to fight with that been I think it's been pretty good to the fact that have been able to put on size. I'm not the type person that people come out to, more staff fight with, which is good. Most of the type pretty good. I never go look for trouble.

You can overshoot that. This definitely .

a size that you get to.

What a gozzi. Yeah, I think it's so nice to hear that to hear. And he was the same for me like I was a skinny kid picked on sometimes in school for not being as as like big, everybody else or whatever.

And I didn't want to be like that. I wanted to feel like I had more physical formidably. And I don't I don't know .

if I had something to and I should be like really aking with girls as well. So I don't know that had a maybe my chat was so bad that I thought, well, to compensate for this trend's chat that I have, at least I can look good and then I don't have to .

do as much work. My social anxiety doesn't matter as much. Yeah but even with that, man, like all of these things, are the pure, beautiful reasons why guys start going to the gym.

And a good chunk of that, I think, has been lost in talk about body. This mopy are in comparison, you know, unrealistic male body image standards and stuff like that. But so much of IT is just, I wants to feel more like a man when i've still got kind of the body of a boy. And I want to be more attractive to women, and I want to be more comfortable.

I don't understand why all men don't want to try to improve their physique in the way they look, because so much of what I have achieved this point in time has come from my physic like it's it's crazy how many doors is open for me but the same time just the the confidence that that gives you.

I know it's quite a lot of big jack guys who just don't have that confidence, but if if you are unhappy about your life, or this is something not going right, the easier thing you can do is just to only try and sort out your physical parents. And you usually wanted to sort that out. Good things start coming. After that.

the boys set pretty low as well. You go if you do a push per leg split three times a week for a year, you're probably in .

the top one percent of think a lot people get a confuse anything of, well, if in order like that or if I want to look Better than I have to go to gym six times a week and have to start eat in this boring stuff every single day. In reality, you don't need to do that. It's it's just the the consistent efforts every single week.

But most people, they go through periods, whether there will be a few weeks or few months where everything's on good, then they just stops. And the people have come up to me that I am kind of unhappy with my shape the moment I mix well, tell me about training was been like, and I say, I F so i'm really been the gym for the past six months. I like, how do you not been the gin for the past six months? Like, of course, you're not where you, anna, be because you have done six months of nothing like you should be doing something every single week, even if you have bad week and train twice is still Better doing nothing.

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yeah, I like that. I think it's many different areas of life. I don't think I was fully I was fully content and comfortable.

The person that I was probably the age of twenty, twenty seven, twenty eight, I just feel like at that point in time I was like, okay, yeah, my my shit is sorted. Now I think a lot of that came from being financially comfortable as well. I feel like it's quite hard to be to be comfortable.

No controls are confident when you have no money in your account, like you could look the part you could be, you know, great with women or great talking. But let's say, for example, if I was in a room full of very successful entrepreneurs that a lot of money, I would feel the absolute opposite, confident I would like, well, I really have nothing to offer in this situation right now. So the moment I got my finances sorted, I was happy with my physique, the way I looked, the lessons which I had learned from previous relationships and just from previous work experiences.

What about the. Social confidence are the confidence with women as well, though I think .

that came from this experience of having lots of different relationships because I just like now, if all in past few years, when I had been dating some the first time I go on first date, they just like our here we go again, let you know you know what to do, you know what to say, and everything is is good. But as I think as well as being on youtube helped massively.

So I have drastically improved my ability to speak in front of the camera, speaking front of, like, lots of different people, to be able to have a conversation with someone, to be able to entertain the audience that watching you. That has massively helped with my social interactions. So most of time I am more introverted, like look at the introverted extravert scale.

I am more on in the introverted side. I think before the days of youtube, I was a lot more introvert. I got, I had my my group of friends and my social circle.

But you'll never see me come out my shell unless I was with my closest friends. And even then, if I was in situation, would like a lot of people, I would be a quiet guy. Not really saying anything, I just listen.

So the whole journey through the social media, the youtube, has helped me to come out. Mell, I am a lot more, you know, confident now, have a lot more to say, but they still that introverted aspect to me, where let see, for example, about a day full of socializing, talking, whatever. I come back home when I like that, and I need to be alone just to recharge.

So it's yeah, I think I always ask myself this. I want to ask you to as well. There's one thing that could change about itself. How would to be cause for me? I think I would like if I could be more extroverted.

I feel like I would be able to go further with my career and everything that i'm doing because I would just naturally want to be meeting everyone, going to events, chat into everyone, like just entertaining everyone. But to me, that's like IT IT IT takes a lot of what for me to do that. And even before, sometimes before as an event, I have to sike myself up to go because I just want stay home and just do my thing. I be alone sometimes about my, I need to go to this thing so I have to, you know, get myself prepared and then I go going to do IT and I actually really happy after it's done because I want to do something I didn't want to do and that ends up actually being like really good.

There's a big hill to get over before you do IT though. Yeah I mean, that would certain be a big, be a huge change for me if I did that. IT does even though standing out the front of thousand club nights of meeting million people right across a fifteen in your korea that IT didn't feel like socialising, I wasn't properly invested in all of these people .

was just .

like a small 88888 was good with drunk people， with very drunk people. But I would have been, I would liked to achieve up the extra vote as well, because IT does take IT does take A A good chunk of energy for me to go and do that.

I've noticed that with these live shows doing the meeting greet at the end ah it's like a high intensity interval conversation of five hundred, six hundred people in half an hour or forty five minutes that dude Peterson going on this tour that is done, which is basically a permanent a permanent world tour and he's meeting, I think you'd need to get a special ticket or whatever, is maybe three hundred people, four hundred people a night that have to like big dc ticket that allows you together the meeting great. But you doing every single night, you like fifty days, a hundred days a year. I don't know how many dude.

It's for me very, very exhAusting. I think that he's kind of a little bit introverted at least as well. So that would be that be a huge change. One else do I wish that would change never a bit itself out around whether or I am doing the right thing, whether i'm doing the thing right.

Think I think you're doing right. I think certainly now the the results that show.

what that's the .

thing I feel like when I see you interviewed, people like fucking able to do this. Thank you. And I think it's like not even really got started. You well, what what is the goal you want to be number in podcast in the world.

Rogan got that tittle of man, like the guys are fucking.

I like what Patrick said about the three main character, terrestrial attributes of a good, all the best pod caster. yeah. One of them having natural curiosity and asking the right questions. Do the thing is being able to entertain the the guest, be a good host. I knew the one is actually having an audience that really want to hear your own opinion on a specific topic.

Yeah, I I had A A conversation about this one of the Q N A S that the live show asked about. Basically you're gonna do more solar stuff over the next few years. And I was so unconfident and so unprepared to think that I was bigger than I am.

Like, who am I to support my opinion? SAT at the table with Andrew hudson. Like it's obvious who's the asset here right to obviously him.

He's the one that got the expertise and the P. H. D.

From stanford and all the rest of IT just let him shine. And i'm really good at letting other people shine. But that definitely seems to be I don't know.

This is like it's it's good to develop your own opinions around things and to put those forward, to have faith that what you have to say might be, if you saw of interested more than that, to play with ideas. I wonder what happens. I wonder what people think about this.

I've got this idea about this thing. I wonder what people think about that but I think for a good junk er time as well as just so concerned about putting something forward, make me like stupid. I mean to put this idea forward and .

and what that the live .

shows no no, no no on the show, on the podcast. So gonna have some idea i've got to take on whatever, whatever this thing is like. Don't comment on things that you know nothing about. But when you're SAT with an expert, you're always, you always know nothing in comparison with the expert, even if you know almost everything in comparison with a Normal person that knows nothing about IT, right? So because your i've made a career of being the most stupid person in every conversation.

do you feel like there's a pressure for you to improve your knowledge in all these different areas? Because you you've had guest on from every different industry and market. Yeah like you feel like fuck, I need to learn more about this and more about this is more about this. So because being a good host is your ability that just have like good general knowledge about this.

That's true. So I think I wanted to do this is a chAllenge. A year ago, I wanted to do a day of recording where I didn't know anything about the guest, I didn't know who they were, and I would just sit down on to set them.

And I had to try to hold a conversation together without like the audience realizing, and me just going like, so you know, what do what do you think most people get wrong about the world that you come from? What you and do? Like good.

Like trying to sort of work out without actually asking them. So what do you do? I thought that would be kind of fun to do, but i'd sidedly I still consider doing IT.

It's a big long list of things that I anna do. But ah I think one of the reasons why I stead clear of putting my own opinion forward was I didn't want to feel silly. I didn't want to say things.

The internet can be a bit of a fucking and ruthless place with playing with ideas. And no, you don't want to you don't look like the idiot in the room more than you already are. But yeah, I know enough now to be able to hold a conversation with anybody, especially if it's about them, right?

If it's we're talking about finance, were talking about psychology. We're talking about philosopher, were talking about politics, were talking about whatever is I can roll out of, pretty much just anyone when IT comes to me having my own takes on stuff. I have things that i've got, domains of expertise.

You wanted talk to me about training, about mental health, about psychology, evolution, like all of these things i've got. But if we start to push out into you, how are we going to fix the problems of the middle east? Is that, bro? Like it's not that's not my bag.

And then working out where the line is between those two are not just spouting more noise into the world, actually adding some signal which is useful to people. That's kind of that's something that I maybe I should do more. But then another bit of me thinks we will just bring on the guy that knows and be the person the able to get the best.

You asked .

the fucking expert. I don't need to go on web M D and try self diagnose like whatever element i've got. It's like just get the doctor to the equivalent of the doctor and speak to that person. But there's definitely a bit of me that wants to do that doesn't just only want to be the person that plays second string a to the the expert in the room like I would be great to be considered expert in my own right. And yeah, it's it's interesting getting past that discomfort or that uncertainty about whether or not you have legitimacy because everyone else has A A million letters after their name or is A P H D, or is a billion era or something, and go the fact like why should like i'm just the guy to ask the questions.

Speaking of discomfort, what would you like the first time doing the show? Like the very first show, life show? You show .

itself that was nerve raking. Yeah .

because for me yeah that the thought of that is scary. I think .

as well it's .

q is fine, but to to go out there by self and to talk for an hour or more about something like first, I think, what the hell would I even talk about? The people want to know. I, I.

I guess I would have .

to sit and think about IT. I'm sure there is an audience out that they want to me talk about something.

Do I would I pretend? But yeah, the life shows that I don't adjust to warning to buy. And now I fly to edmonton for twenty hours with James tomorrow morning at two I M jail is going to going to suck myself out with me. He's managed to buckets one of those things that like the side by side seats as well, like with the dividing door going to pull the door up and now to speak time.

But standing on stage, you know, this is kind of old trope for people that listen to rogan and they're always on about you work in the material and the crowd energy in the room, in the vibe and all sad stuff but it's wild to stand on stage and and just have you know eighty eight or one thousand ice or whatever was in the deby show the other night. A people are whatever, just looking at you. You can't see the end of the room like it's just endless.

And then you look at what shelters is turn. He sold out, whether rap is playing in canada. He just to display in in australia, where is so far away that they need screen repeat to screens to be able to seed the fucking in. Dude, it's just as little dot down on that.

And he has the pressure of having to say something funny funy. I mean, nearly every every ten, twenty seconds he has to, you know, at least you don't have .

pressure absolute. And so such a good insight that if you are doing anything close to public speaking and you managed to get four singers in the space of an hour like your hilarious and if you're a comedian that doesn't get forcing is in a minute your shit. So um yeah, the criteria is very different.

But I IT IT was very no wr acting. I the most nervous king. One that I did was the very first working progress show in Austin.

So I an the show four times in Austin in for the forty people at this like tiny kind of run down comedy clubs just in comedy club. I run that four times in front forty people. But that's kind of even more scaries.

You can hear like a cough. You can hear like someone's phone vibrate in that pocket, can hear everything. It's just you in a room.

I don't even really need a mike. I could probably just speak and everyone would hear. And before I went on to check my woop and got the stress monitor, my stretches IT like two point point, two point.

exactly. Nice, good evening work out close just I was just scared but to be onest man after a wild you're so confident in the material um because it's a set right it's not scripted. But the idea as I know, this idea is interesting and this idea is interesting, and this idea makes people laugh, and this idea makes people cry, and this idea is whatever.

And after a while, you just have faith that what you're saying is important would be like me saying to you, like he is a word forward script, that you can say that will make people be interesting. What you say in laugh, learn IT off my heart, go on stage and say IT and I can guarantee one hundred percent, it'll be fine. You wouldn't feel nervous. What you're nervous about is the thirteen of White or not. You're going to look silly up on stage and after you've done sufficient iterations of anything, rapped him yeah it's the same at the show.

The only differences you don't have the live audience in front of you having live audience in front of you and saying a thing and then watching them and being like, please love me like god, just at least please don't think that i'm totally terrible Jimmy car told me, a true entertainer says, if you don't love me, I don't love me and I think that that kind of I can see how someone whose entire industry is the audience needs to give me adoration. And that's why I get my sense of self steam from kind of the same, you know, looking at the body building world, which is ruthless because it's not even an objective metric. It's not that three hundred eighty kilos, whichever man that wade ninety three kilos picks that up winds. It's like subjective and final and like he's got Better shape or conditioning or proportions or whatever very, very hard. But you're permanently just outsourcing your sense of self worth .

to these fucking judges, especially you you competing and it's yes, the judges you need to impress and forever is in I don't .

impressed you dealt out this year all like big size are in know whatever yeah crazy yeah but it's it's been very interesting. It's been the veil of kind of fAllen from my eyes a little bit about seeing super, super competent people up on stage because if they are infinitely Better than I am. But you can just see it's okay to just one step after the next. Watching Jimmy car in wembley, he did two hours and twenty minutes of one minus.

Must have been IT must have been four hundred jokes and like here in a bit hours and I was like, oh my god and we were with him thirty seconds before he walked out on stage because I was checking my watch going like you go on stage in ten minutes or two because he might need to pregame rural, never get this is head in the game is no, no, it's fine to stick about, stick about and then like, alright, ready to go bus and like Jimmy's about to like, get the fucking head set on. Ever walk out on stage and like, should we leave? Yeah yeah, crack on.

See, unbelievable crazy. But you see, you know anyone's just to accumulated those skills over time. And I think it's kind of the same with the first time you did a youtube video or the first time you did a podcast, the first time you did whatever, is just this extra degree of, no, I can see the people watching. And the first .

I would do cast like that. He was first one will all one straightened to the deep end with the of co founder, a bila billion company. crazy. But yeah, it's like the moment you start doing more more than that just becomes Normal. I can imagine like much of you doing three a week, you what you're only .

seven hundreds to be seven twenty something like that .

year that must be so Normal.

Yeah, IT is and that's something that's quite this are to do something very alien. I mean, think about this one stars. I would love to ask a friend, Lauren, whether or not it's like whether there is still intimacy in that because what you're looking at, a conversation like this, usually very messy, very unstructured, is someone will get up and going to do with thing.

People on their phone, you know, this like all structure side of things, plus than those cameras, plus, then there a team of people, plus, then this, you know, it's going out to an audience and it's gonna scrutiny. It's going to be criticism, is gonna whatever. Take a something that you're familiar with in an alien environment, and I wonder whether posters feel the same, something that you can be quite familiar with, but in the even more alien environment, like.

is this thing I was to sterling, his exposer. He was saying there with some actresses, there's just an instant chemistry they can't really explain. But this just like a thing, and IT just makes things automatically very spicy and flow naturally, where, as sometimes is just like robot, is nothing. There is just very forced but yet you have to try and force that chemistry yeah like tell when you watch porn if it's like if .

something good time or not how much .

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you watch what's point yeah but yeah it's weird to think like can people reintegrate？ This is one thing that i've been doing therapy in. Awesome, this lady is great. This woman that have .

been working with thy.

I think that everyone does. I genuinely think that everybody .

would benefit from. I would love to have, if IT me, therapy, or just to speak to an expert on relationships, because I feel like that is something every day, every year, i'm still learning more about relationships in how do they work? Are you with the right person like what? I'm short as a lot of things wrong with me, I don't think i'm an easy person today, especially with my my job, the way I looked.

Social media is whoever I am in a relationship with. They have to be GTA deal with that. yeah. They gotta with the fact that will get attention, you know, probably find with a really hot g girl, which I have been in the past, like day of, see, have attention as well as, but i'm cool that it's it's a tRicky one. And I think, like I, i've always been pretty horrendous community and that is who I am like I would just as us keep I keep a lot my feelings myself and just assume they know what's going on all that everything is alright when in reality you need to have a pretty hard conversation.

Nail straws, the guy that role the game, who is now kind of this super aligned, awakened family man, this fucking awesome quote from him that said, unspoken expectations are premeditated .

resentments.

Jesus Christ, unspoken expectations are premeditated resent. And you know, when you're talking me about that, I will maybe keep my feelings to myself.

I won't really mention something that I D bugging me or I wish I would bring up, but you get the sense that the other person you should know or might know or could know or whatever and after a wild, almost to end up building a conversation with yourself about the thing that you never said to the person who didn't know IT. So yeah, I mean, bill perkins, that rope die with zero. One of the most dialed systems guys that I know.

Ali, a doll, came out to fucking in wake serving weather. Ali had a bad. That was good, I think so iconic. Cosme kept c, came out and stood up first first try use of my friend when I E foiling yesterday over there, stood up within the first session.

I have not like, i've been so just insanely smart and I think he's got he's got like, I know what is good at is good at like some physical sport, but like IT wasn't fucking wake surfing anyway, he has built perkins is what's the number one coach you've got out of everything, the business culturing. All the rest is a relationship coach. First thing he said, relationship coach, most important, they check in. I think both ponders work separately and then there maybe do .

couples I think after to begin with, the oneyman on period is find you don't need help like that, just IT bruns itself. But the long of the relationship was on for after year, after two years. That's when you have to work at IT. That's what i've learned after a two year relationship, things you got to work on. And there's a lot still which I need to learn, have had a lot of relationships that have means six months.

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am this is i'm so fascinated how certain people just pop off on social media like i'm trying to understand that what has the formula been like? I didn't I didn't know of him until it's basically kind of you see the memes first. You like, what is the mean about this guy and then you go to the instagram, we go to the youtube and need to see like the the following and the consistently high views. And I what what doing that in watch IT this is like pretty Normal is no fancy edit anything cyma tic is just I think the reason White works as well as because he's just got almost in the opposite direction instead of trying too hard, would like the show and off and the the music, the edited that he's just .

like it's a Normal night it's just as no music like after that first thing .

just just the camera on a tripod and he's just doing this thing in sharing thoughts, which is very simple. But IT can't after watching IT makes sense why IT works he has some a lot of insight for things to say.

I think um I heard this time the day growth, hacking, authenticity and I think that everybody now is so sceptical of someone that's contriving a version of sounds. If you see someone that looks like they're trying too hard, they're putting on A A particular it's just there's discomfort and eight and or I don't like that and I think sums lack of fancy car, a fancy edit of fancy thn nails or like any of that is just a signal reliability. I think that's what people .

very relatable, if you think about how many men are in a similar situation to him. I remember when I when I start the youtube channel, like everything was really basic, I was in not a very is a terrorist house in newcastle. I was doing a meal video on a pretty shabby kitchen, a pots and pan's ove completely fuck up, like there was no lubrication ation or IT was just sticking to everything.

And I was just do my meal per shopping at little or al and just taking IT to work with me. And people love that because so many people relate IT. And remember the moment I kind of moved away from that, staying in more fancy places when upgraded to my apartment in london in a leffers on came to to buy IT was my audience was divided. There was half them who were like, really inspire and they were like, wow, like, look what he's done I want to do as well then as the other half who, just like, I really relate to you anymore, like, I can't relate to your life. I mean.

make no mistake. And if I was to guess the revenue that sam is making per month, forget his hostile a sponsorship and forget the other stuff just from adsense, I reckon it's at least a quarter .

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There is always trends in the industry likes something comes along from nowhere and is very popular. 嗯， but there's very few things that remain that popular over a long pater time. Like will IT get to a point where his style of videos and not going to do IT for people like the gets to a point where it's I was boring now like, let me find something was the next trending thing yeah well.

there's definitely for every trend, there is a counter culture trend. So I said this before, if you want to predict the future, look at a trend exists now for which that hasn't yet been the exact opposite so for every um IT lets say like mike thersa well edited fitness vlog with like cool fuck in cinematic living in a guy with a gamble and stuff is a sam sul c which is kind of the same thing but deliver in in a very different sort of a way.

Summer twenty twenty, everyones locked down, known can go out. Summer twenty twenty one, Megan style, in this hot girl summer, dress yourself up, go out, you know, like have casual sex, like be dold and glam. Some of twenty twenty two is feral girl summer, which is be a slaughter shave, don't wash, you don't need to be bothered even leaving the house, just a beans in your your pyjamas.

So like you have culture or trend and then counter culture or counter trend. And I think that sam largely is not necessarily probably worst example to use you. I don't know who he's quite the antitheses up, but he's definitely counter to much of the fitness industry that is contrived.

That's like um you know kind of like the equipment of the pop idle boyband that was like piece together and like your the cool one and you are the whatever one one IT doesn't feel like that it's just some block going about this day. But and I said this on an episode exact and people got mad about IT. I still think it's the truth if sam wasn't elite ite level jacked, people wouldn't follow me.

I think that what works about sam, if sam is some skinny, skinny, fat guy that wasn't in good condition, wasn't lifting heavy and didn't have really great insight about fitness, he's just some blow going to the gym, has a lot of people that so that's all as everyone's youtube that every person's youtube channel. I think that sam is a likeable relative guy who happens to be fucked in massive and it's like, oh like he's me but Better yeah he's so much of what we have is reliable and is the same. And on top of that, his, you know body build a huge.

was like a sebum as well. Like sea bom has this huge, huge. But he is the biggest name in body building now.

And I try to think, what is why? Why is that the case? Obviously, he he looks amazing.

Be such a nice humble guy as well that I can't imagine why anyone would ever have a problem with them. So you combine that super jack amazing physique with just being a nice, humble guy. And IT does, without a doubt, get harder to remain humble. When you have that many people who are edeliza, you have like over twenty one million people following you to not let that gets ahead.

But it's two, two ways that they can get to ahead. The first one being, your ego is being inflated by everyone thinking you are great. The second one is you becoming defensive and bitter about all of the people criticising you.

There IT works in two different ways. I'm gonna become more harsh and and more quick to attack, because people have done IT to me in the past, and all of these people are telling me that i'm great and i've got five championships. How the fuck am I not like the best world and everyone you would listen to me like.

hard. It's hard. So if you combining IT would like if you taken some steroid as well, like that can also mess up with the old mentality in the way that you're thinking.

yeah, yeah I wonder, you know, I was watching A A couple of videos from the trend twins as well and that, like, I find them like a pretty interesting, interesting pair, like an interesting paradox but a sam is just a fucking fanum at the moment what his face campaigns n him up to rogan e yesterday on on a show. If you hold the same suit kid, like they go direct from all plates, more dates to that as well in a little way. I think he you know he purposefully didn't make .

his yeah like he he could have definitely leveled up with the production yp.

but that that people just wanted that like relationship, like high level insight, sprinkling of autism, like that's what they .

wanted from sometimes I try not to yet to heavily influence. I've had the magazine on show the production quality on his videos. S is absolutely like insane, best to the best. And then i'm thinking, fuck, maybe I wanting to get to that that level of production. But I I don't I don't need to. I just just focus on what IT is the eal thing, because if you go too hard with the production IT, IT gets a bit distracting and maybe again, IT becomes unrelated.

How do you think about enough ness, you know, that the stress and responsibility of paranoia that comes along for the ride with wanting more in success, and when you can kind of sap .

the fun out of IT, do you think about this? I think harder to fall asleep quicker, that's for sure. Who's going to go to bed? I am just thinking about all the things that I need to do, should be doing and haven't done.

So that's taking hicks. I remember in my twenty and I never to fall asleep, stayed. Now it's a lot harder. And yeah I think especially right now, i'm in a position well, if I really want to, I can go false y ahead and really take things to the next level like everything is in my favourite.

I have the team to have you know living him to buy him a point where I I have a following up some respect. So lets go fully into this, but then that's going to come a Price. And I know if if that's something which I want to do, you know if if you want all the numbers to be increasing, the subscribe is increasing their views.

The money, you know, i'm enough to say goodbye to a couple of things, and it's it's going to be a sacrifice with relationships is gonna be a sacrifice to the things which I like to do some time, that I like to just wake up and do nothing and do my own thing to go for a walk to chill, take life easy, like I love nothing more than doing that sometimes, which I had a kind of experience of doing that over the summer, where I wouldn't work as much unless productive, really just enjoying life. And what i've achieved, fruits of my labour. But then after a couple of days or weeks of doing that, you just feel like, fuck, i'm kind of i'm wasting my potential here.

Things are starting to go in the reverse direction. And I think that was quite a sort of a scary experience for me. I have big break in the podcast.

I think I got up to was IT was IT twenty episodes, you know, think i've got myself into that one percent. I shy. I am A Y.

I gave up and I know is what I want to stopped in the podcast, in my team, with me. I like travelling about a bit. Just, I think I just wasn't, for whatever the reason, I lost the motivation a little bit.

But I just felt like I was doing a disservice to my audience. Life was asked me, is like once and accept so IT once and accept so not a slight. I don't know.

I felt like what fucking waste I am like I have this potential and opportunity to create these amazing conversations with amazing people. But I D rather just go to a beach club. L go to date with girl or just fuck about .

but this is a pressure that comes with that. And yeah, I think about enough for ness. I got bt. I wanted i've got another abode with homo's coming up probably within the next few months. I wants to try and really dig into IT because I know that he's ninety nine percent tile of hard working guy. It's very inspiring to be around, but I wonder how scalable and replicable that is with people who don't have his very particular to work of the mindset.

I listen to him when i'm like that. I would like a little bit more of his, yes, inside, I want more of that. I like to work. I want to do more work. I want to do lesser the fun things that people want to do.

But what can you realized like saying, I want to do less of the fun things, like why you're doing more of the work, presumably because the work is fun. It's like the more direct route to IT is just doing the fun thing.

I think if if you can find a way that your your job is fun, then that's that helps a lot like me and I get you as well. Having the opportunity to speak to some amazing people, it's pretty is a rewarding job and having a very positive impact on the world like that. He feels pretty done good.

And IT doesn't doesn't really feel like work. It's a pleasure to be able to do this for A, I think, absolutely crazy, like even this morning training with guy Green, like what I get to train with some of the best body builds on the planet as a fuck and dream. I ve been able i've got myself .

into a position to and again, I think everybody, you have opportunities there in front of you. And if you're even remotely competent to what you do, you will always have more opportunities than time to do them in. Is IT your role in life to take every single opportunity that comes your way.

What is life outside of those opportunities? Like how much you grinding this great coat from Morgan housel that says the best measure of wealth is what you have minus what you want. And by this measure, some billion as a broke. And it's kind of the same as what do you want from a an achievement perspective.

You know the scope of me, I feel like a lot of things I wanted to do I did in my twins like I really did. There's a lot of things that I really did, a lot things I wanted to do. And I think once you've done them, you realize, maj, the time it's not actually as good as you thought I would be.

You do IT and you like, yeah, that was good. IT was a little bit, was a bit and let down, thought I was gonna Better. And once you kind of checked off more things on the list, I would just get like more, more of way to actually just do this work in be of use.

Yeah, yeah. It's definitely like a bit of fucker that goes on when you're a kid and you you're happy to just bounce around and and have fun but then as you grow up you realized, okay, well, my times actually fucked in limited like so what am I here to do? I'm here to work and not leave anything on the table or am I here to find time to this is still did I IT must be the most common theme of questions. I've probably asked anybody to see you on IT. It's maybe um telling given like how this has gone.

How can you baLance being enough was wanting to be more like feeling comfortable and content and your mind is way your feet are in the moment i'm being able to take pleasure in the things that you do in the success is that you have whilst also knowing that you don't leave anything on the table and you want to try maximize your time here, your brief period of eighty years on this planet and IT still, you know, some Harris had this really beautiful idea about the baLance of being in becoming really lovely. But tactically, I have to say i'm struggling to still really, really get that baLance nailed because so much of what you do, when you want to become Better, I want to become bigger. I want to become leaner and become richer.

I want to move to a Better house, want to move to a Better neighbor. D, I want to be smarter. I want to be more articular, whatever all of those things.

As soon as you posit that ideal, you don't start to compare yourself to that ideal and you find yourself lacking. And in that lack is dissatisfaction that ripped you out of the present moment. But the only reason that you're doing that is presumable.

So when you get there, you like now I can be in present but each goal that you hit just pushes another goal. So oh well like um I have done the twenty first episode so like now it's it's to be fifty right like fifty the next collar hundreds of next or it's a million, like always. Just another thing.

I think it's really important to celebrate the winds. Like to go and if you do IT hit a particular milestone, just go out and celebrate IT and then yeah come back and then set a new go. I think is that that the most difficult thing i've had now ticket, when I go through phases where super motivate and I wants to grow, it's like the friendship aspect and the relationship aspect takes a hit.

But if you trying to go full, see ahead with business and all these opportunities have in front of you. I ve noticed, ed, what i've been in a relationship, any spare time I have, I have to devote that to my partner, which then means after for my friends off, yes, where's if that save example, I was single, then that gives me an opportunity to spend more time with my friends. Like to try and juggle everything is really difficult.

I think ryan holidays got seen business family, pick two, you can be part of the scene, can be successful in business, can be great part of your family. But it's really, really, really rough to do all three. When I say that seems to have got IT, I don't know much about jo's family life, although IT seems he seems to have got that pretty died to run yeah yeah. He he seems to have certainly two of two of .

sorted imagine where a situation situation .

have kids laying. But yeah, I know what you mean. All of a berkman has this other idea about a choose in advance what you're going to suck at. It's pretty cool. So for a period of time, you're going to work on your business and you're going to grow your network or you're going to try and double the revenue of your business. So you're going to try get a raise or get a promotion or do whatever that period of life, just as important as what are you going to do is what you prepared to sacrifice for IT because, you know if you need to stay late in the office three nights a week for the next six months so that your boss seize the work that you're doing or so that you get more sales in or so you what to is that you need to do. You're training is probably going to take a hit there.

And when you start to see your condition or your fitness appreciate over time, if you're a type I go get up, you can feel uncomfortable and say a well, that shouldn't be happening and then you take your eye off the ball of the thing that was supposed to be a thing for the next six months and then go i'll i'll only stay late in the office one night week and i'll get i'll fit training or slog training in two months. You get, well, that wasn't the plan. The plan was put everything into this one thing, level myself up and then play catching up with everything else to bring myself back up to baseline.

So yeah, choose in advance. What you want to suck at is like a really, really good tactic because that helps you when other things start to slip IT stops IT feeling like a an error or or a curse of some kind. And actually, ah this is part the plan.

This this was actually part of the plan. Part of the plan was I wouldn't get to see my friends as much or my sleeping would suffer or my fitness would suck or my business would suffered because we just had a kid or whatever. like.

I think that's another thing that suck at the moment. It's not good suck later on precisely, but you can easily switch another suck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think like specially right now for next couple years, next five years, I want to go all in on just okay, let's try and build a solid business, businesses, whatever IT might be, make myself extremely financially comfortable so that later on, you know, when I get my like thirty, forty years, when it's time to really rays a family, i'm in a very comfortable situation where I can do that. Devote more of my time to raising my kids and being there .

for my that's that's the plan that I I think i've got as well that one of my friends, David parle, told me that most of my twenties was spent making myself into the dad, that my future kids deserve not really like that idea. You are putting a lot of work and now, which he's gratifying in the moment, we would be like way, way too full of myself to be like in all of this is for the sacrifice for my future kids like notes, not like I got a take. Lots of pleasure from the things .

that I do matters. Fitness is a great job of raising his kids doing he's very good role model for being a father .

like he's chat to dad. pipeline.

Yeah, he's. He, in a position where I didn't have to go to work, even built like a home gym at home so we can to spend more time with his family. And like you, you can see how well he's raised his two boys. Like whenever you around them, they're just like the happiest, most positive, like even comfortable. And for the camera that all would like really skilled, like those rather different things because matt has been there all the time to will teach them, educate them and push them.

But you've got ta have that is interesting what you say. I think I always but the financing, I think I always kind of steer clear of commenting on finances largely because I came from such a fucking working class background, the money was just never consideration and IT wasn't really that much of a discussion always.

Um so I kind of steak clear talking about IT, but you know tate mentioned IT to the until you've financially liberated, you're kind of the mercy of a lot of things. And financially liberated IT doesn't mean like compound in romania. IT just means more money than you need to be able to live and not having to compensate by working in insane e number hours that ruins the rest to be a life outside of IT.

You have so much more freedom.

yeah. IT is is that I mean.

when it's is funny. Now as you as obviously as the podcast is grown, you have more staff to take Carols like you've got salaries to pay for. Now you've got studios to pay for yeah, it's not that you need to earn more money so you can live a Better life. It's no money to also earn more money so I can take the quality of my production to the next level. Sure that I can keep giving you guys the best so I can fly to the other sides of the planet to go to .

speak to this guy yeah yes, it's it's an interesting woman. I don't know. It's it's like a it's been very, very interesting. You like quite a disquiet in your in some ways it's like so satisfying, but also just rapid changes in status.

This is one of the things about like a kid like sam who even more than either of us, in terms of the rapidity of his change of status. People say that they want fame and accurate and wealth, but just having IT thrown at you is fucking terrifying. Yeah, I had this idea that I learned from Jimmy.

Car trajectory is way more important than position if you're number two in the world, but last year you are number one. That is way worse than sitting at number hundred and fifty. But being on a huge up would slow from number three hundred twelve ths ago is a few reasons for this recently bias.

If you are, value is increasing. Now that means that you have to be popular at the moment. By looking at recent trajectory, you're selecting for only the people who are trendy right now, which really is all that we can remember.

We can also romanticize where someone will be in future if they currently hot shit. How high might they go? Who knows? Maybe to the top, maybe even beyond the top human struggle, to realize that everything is temporary, including growth and decline. Instead, it's easy to label people as heroes and losses based on what we know of them right now. So we don't have to predict a messy future.

Does note saying these three types of people on the ladder, one of the bottom, one of the middle, one of the top, which one is the best to be the one that still climbing? This doesn't just work for status, but possessions, achievements, wealth, sex and everything else. It's not just how we see are the people, is also how we see ourselves.

We know when we're moving up or down when life is getting Better or worse. Andrew tate said, having things isn't fun. Getting things is fun.

Another way to look at this is any accomplish. It's just a new high, a bar for you to get over in future. I see this in my own work.

Let's say that we do a new episode that hits a million plays in the day. amazing. That's very exciting in a new record. wow.

Also, that means that every video in future is now going to feel unrepressed ve unless he does one point one million views or higher in twenty four hours. In this way, rapid increases in status are more accursed than a blessing. So here's a theory, which I cosign with dangle sarrion like a few weekends ago.

So, you know, so get, even though we might want our goals and accomplishments to arrive immediately, maybe a strat, a smarter strategies to stretch out the achievements of our dreams we shouldn't wish for overnight success, as we would then need to be able to beat IT pretty soon, less we feel like we're declining. Instead, slow, consistent progress is a more reliable way to maintain satisfaction. Purposively aiming for slow success strategy may actually ensure you always feel like a going in .

the right direction. Cent, it's also like when you if you were to win the lottery, like if you were to be given a hundred miles versus actually working your us off over time, your salary or have very much money you're earning gradually increases and then you get to that point. Well, okay, now I got on a mill. Which one is more saying it's .

a curse that I think you would look back on IT as almost certainly the best and worst day of your life. At the same time, you got gifted a unbelievable amount of money or an unbelievable amount of the state or so, whatever, how you ever gonna a Better day than that day.

I was thought that be so cool. Fied won the lottery. But I would, I would literally fuck me up in the worst way. No, I.

i'd hate that. Yeah, weird. Man, it's weird. D, the way that we play with status and what's the energy that you're trying to prioritize in your life at the moment, I know. Is that what sort of people do you want around you are sort of vibe trying to prioritize?

I think people who are going to help inspire me, I think that's what I struggled sometimes on a day today basis, was being motivated, especially when when you've got to a point, we've got everything you really need. I look, I I have a nice car. I have a nice apartment.

I've got great friends, like, what more do I really need in my life when I spend more time with people who are head of me financially, business wise, whatever IT might be, even just been around them gives me, I don't know IT IT. I get some kind of a little more competitive as well like IT makes me want to honor. I want to get to that little fire.

Yeah so IT makes me think OK as these levels to achieve with this. I'm certainly past days where I was interesting like the the party and do not kind of thing. I think we last spoke and was already get to that point.

But even now, I compare what what my desires were the start this year compared to what my desires are now. And they've definitely changed for the Better. What do you .

thinks cause that happen?

I think just coming to the realization of what is like really important um knowing that a lot of things which i've wanted to do i've done and I think i'd put myself in a few situations this summer where I had been like parties of sy, I went to I be through a couple times doing the usual debtor and then just thinking fuck out, this is I don't like doing this anymore. I really don't like I don't get as much enjoyment from IT.

But I hate the way that makes me feel I think with what i'm doing now is what we do during the podcast been on youtube, I have to be on IT like all the time and actually really enjoy this elevated state which i'm at like there is no alcohol is nothing which is slowing me down. So if you do go out and you drink, or you do anything negative for your for your health or your mindset, just waking up and feeling gorging shit is like it's horrible. I want to wake up every day feeling as good as I could possible, and you have a really good sleep. Wake up, you like, oh my god, that was a good sleep to feel like you've taken a trigger limitless pill I want not every day yeah.

that I .

know .

in my god, is a big fan of monk mode, but is one of the most dict parts of monk mode that nothing ever knocks you off that routine permanently in this like critically sealed box right? Nothing is coming in. Nothing is nudging IT. Nothing is bringing IT just perfect routine at all times on all you optimize for is that and IT can be very.

very addicting um as is even one thing which I I love to do is to travel loads. But now I actually I don't want to travel because I know it's going to knock me off this very good routine which .

I have going that's that's something that's cool that I kind of wish I could gift more people if I could give them a pursuit that there they are needing maximum sort of cognitive horsepower, and they can do IT sufficiently frequently that they noticed the the fluids between themselves the last couple of days. But sleeps just been so rect since I been here.

I don't know how you do what you want to .

travel and you do yeah it's not been easy. Most of the travel when it's inside the U. S. Is fine but the one that we did here was was pretty brutal um and last night we were dinner and I was trying to think of this word I was trying to think of this word is trying to think this word IT wasn't there.

I just know that is because I want to slept and but being able to play with that tolerance, I guess I can. Athlete, right? You know, the speed that you're usually able to run out or cut out, or jump or or lift or whatever, and you go, this isn't there today.

Why is that not there? And then you start to investigate a little bit, but it's so cool. And knowing the. Knowing the the contributing factors to that and then having a pursuit that allows to act as a barometer for IT is brilliant because you go, okay. Well, this is my reinforcement mechanism for me, focusing on making myself Better because I can feel when I make myself Better, and I can feel what I make myself was it's way easy to make make myself even a tiny bit worse than is to make myself even less a bit Better. So yeah, I think focusing on nose, focusing on like things that gna help you be Better long term.

is what looks you of your good routine. Apart from travel.

sleep is the main one, the biggest determinant of power. Perform on the podcast, if I haven't slept well, if I haven't trained consistently.

if you have you ever needed to cancel?

Because you never, never, never, never, never, even at my worst, i'm still, i'm still pretty good. So i'm fine to i'm fine to take over and hold IT together, but i'll know because i'll know what .

I could have said that feeling of regret after it's it's .

usually during I don't have that much regret once once we finished and look like I can't go back and redo IT. But while it's happening, I find myself chastising myself about lexus spoken about this, you'll say word improve sely or you will say a sentence that could have been nice so lean and as you are saying IT, you'll think that was fucking shit like I must must do Better. But yet sleeve is a big one.

Sugar is a huge one for me. If I ve had um I don't know why I would do this, I wouldn't do this. But if I went and had A A massive armand quest on and a hot chocolate or something before I went to go on record, like like inflamed in the illegal stuff, awful.

But what I found I Operate really well on is a meat and fat and a little bit of fruit on the morning. And my I can pretty much eat as much of that as I want. And I don't ever feel a crash of the decide of IT. So most mornings.

because the fast could be a bit risky IT.

is because you risk falling off a and you've not have any energy. So i've found for me ton of scrummage like four scram mml eggs, some bacon ah you know like maybe some salo toes, usually not uh and then nice bowl of fruit or something, mixed berries or something like that.

And if I have that IT nine that can Carry me through till three P M, easily, just off the back of that, and then a little bit of caffeine and some other people, i'll take me over. But your man, sleep sugar, both of those are absolutely ruin you the way the food, what's go on next? What can people expect from you over the next couple of you've got new t shirts, which you ve got on, oh yeah.

you are one. No, I know because .

you the only ones that you were able to give me with one that's good with your mask yeah, new products .

coming out with the the closing side of things is an interesting journey. With that obvious, you will be aware, like releasing a physical products. I'm GTA keep trying to scale that. I got a course coming out mid december.

It's gonna be more so with social media, how to build so a partly a youtube platform, but how to monetize IT, so how to get to a point whatever within six months you can make ten thousand pound of one of IT. Well that is the kind of blue print um and yeah just keep crapping on with the pocket that feel as it's doing well. I only doing more a week and I feel like, hey, imagine what you could achieve you did too week yeah like would just grow twice as fast .

yeah I what I mean and .

then I have my my main channel, which is, well, you trying to kind of water that as well yes, it's i'm trying to figure out what is the optimal way to do everything so that everything kind of go together.

stories? Yeah, I think you should do a news letter. I think I told you this last time, yes, but I think you know what you have felt as an enjoyment from doing the podcast and having these conversations, doing the same thing .

for the writing.

even if you're not a writer, which I wasn't before I started. Now two hundred and one .

thousand word blog .

posts in like two hundred thousand words of a what for .

you yeah .

yeah every single week and I I it's one of the most fun things that I do over weekend. I think what the fact did I learn this week? There's five hundred words.

And then who's coming up and then give me some i'm always looking out for fact, always the same reason why doing a gratitude journals good because you know that at the end of the day, you need to find something to be fucking grateful about. So during the day, you're always scaring for things to do IT by highly, highly recommend and use that. Apart from the fact that is amazing as a marketing tool, it's genuinely enjoyable.

And I really, really think that IT brings value to people in a way that even youtube in podcasting can't so lean and IT IT really IT act almost like a public journal for you. Now be so you get to choose the level of openness, vulture ability, transparently cy, about your own life. But yeah, i'd subscribed to find out that so did. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what we get up to of the next year once a book when out of god should be started twenty twenty five um if everything goes well but so another year .

but another year in a bit.

So six months to write, six months to publish is interested the way that IT works. But it's the publishing thing is is just such a big, slow behemoth to spend up um but yeah should hopefull be done by then? That being said, I haven't really thought behind this tour.

I get myself back to awesome on the eleven of december that's like get up to that point and then limp, limp to the U. K. For Christmas and then just sleep but mom adds for looking .

to the at least a week period where kind of have just trying to forget about everything and just been the present, especially with family yeah yeah.

That I appreciate you. Thank you for coming on again. Thank you. Bra.

pleasure always.