#866 - Jesse James West - How To Stay Disciplined When Times Get Tough
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Hello everybody, welcome back to the show. My guess yesterday is Jessie James west is a youtube and an athlete. Fitness is supposed to be enjoyable, and so is creating content about your favorite hobby. But what about the dark side you don't get to see in your favorite influences how low with the moments that they got to a one of the lessons to take away from that, expect to learn how to overcome the fear and judgment of others. What running every day for thirty days, does your physique, Jesse's experience from his first time competing in body building, the current state of male body, this movie, what IT was like, spending an entire day with the liberation, the hard to chAllenge that Jessie has ever done, and much more. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Jessie James west.

Where does stay relentless come from the relente was part that comes from my father hundred percent where he definitely ingrained in my head being relentless I feel like without saying stay relentless to me to certify his actions short life um and I believe that as I have gone older, as I played sports my entire life and obvious ly not now, but from eleven years old all the way until eighteen years old playing sports, I discovered the whole like nonstop, continuously grinding.

And the more work you put in, the more you get out. And I feel like that sort of defined who I am, and I feel that that something that always aspire to be to be the hard work in the room. And to do that you need to be read less. I mean, like you look at the dictionary definition, i'm sort of explaining IT and IT really stuck with me and I was like, I feel like this is this is something that I am body and also can sort of motivate others to become.

Hopefully what's your dad got to do that?

My dad, so my dad, he's a blue car guy. He is, this is john. So john is a blue color man. He has worked many jobs. He's cut wood in the winter, made me loaded next woman stuff.

So he has always had a lot on his play and just never really complain or anything, just always did IT did IT did IT get IT dit get IT done and never had excuse. The sort of growing up around him was very much. He believed that that's how I should be as well.

So one by shine me and two by always, like time me. Like, if there's something that easy get done, you don't wait, you do IT. Now if you are trying to be greater, something you go practice, you get Better and you will be great.

Like IT was very like tough love and stuff, but he always was. He had a million, he had five rental properties, uh, all at once that he was a land or two. He fixed everything in the house, rebuilt entire house on top of a Normal ninety five that he wakes up at like four the morning driving and our to the city doing work was like witness sing. That first hand IT was almost like I grew up with no excuse to be made. So I feel like that really ingrained in my head from a Young age just being reliable less and like that's just who I am and it's like .

I can't not be that way. IT took a while for me that my sport growing up with cricket, which is much more gentlemen ket but for a decade uh but also not only gentleman but quite gentle as well. Uh it's very much an art form mat almost exclusively about skill.

Uh, S N C for IT is primarily just for injury prevention. So the line of the hard work, what you put in is what you get out. That line wasn't really made clear to me until I got into the other business and university, even at school.

I don't know. I just didn't. I gonna ish that I did, but I didn't draw the line between hard work equals good performance.

I'm aware that that's a very basic realization. IT didn't come to me until I was much older. But what does being an eleven to eighteen nineteen year old across .

I play the ross?

Yes, yeah. What is that philosophy when you're still a child flag?

You know, I was I was very it's very difficult to like, comprehend as a kid, looking back at all makes sense. And I like, i've no regrets on my relationship with my dad, my relationship with coaches and sports, but playing across, I was fortunately very good at IT right away. And I feel like when ever I was good at something, definitely my family was like, we we got to push the most be possible.

Can specifically my mom push me a lot, but like my dad, definite push me a lot. I was like, you see those dads, unlike documentation shows of like a football player, classic sports dad, that was like to give me the best. He's me, the Grace.

He's going to work hard on everybody. And he was very much that, but I didn't enjoy, I loved across, so I didn't see as a problem. So IT was sort of like he's inducing that that sort of relentless vibe to my life and like practice and then my love for the sport also coming. The other IT worked very well from a Young age. So like, I saw no problem with my mom on.

no problem with drive and the passion .

of them together, like just IT met. Well, the synergy was there of his ideation in my love for the sport. And then as time went on and I got older, you know, I I discovered the gym.

I really felt love a body building I saw, I watched people like Christian goose moon on youtube and O G youtube r in the finish world. And I like not a level of cross. I want to play, I want to play pro right now or in the future.

I want play pro. And I have the aspirations to be the best in the country. But part of me, like my, my, my inner soul isn't being fulfilled. And as you get older, I felt you discover that more and more.

And as I approach fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and I realized, like, maybe across isn't gonna my end goal? Maybe there is something more for me, like fitness or doing youtube, but I really dive with that desire from a Young age at this. I made you two videos since I twelve.

You look up sporting strings online right now. And I am on the internet. I am Jessie James. What am my little little boy on the internet? But I had, I had aspirations outside of across that just kick getting bigger and bigger.

And the problem was that my dad, his aspiration was to push me across and push me to my absolute limits. Waking up early for workouts, changan mass inner shakes. You ve got a gain weight, ve got ta get bigger. You've got ta be stronger.

Anybody else out there in the rain, the snow, the hail from the bomb dogs, woods? He's taught in the ball it's pouring, its snowing does matter what the weather is and we're the person because I do have this love. So I don't see IT as a too much of a problem.

But then there's just a little bit too much force from him to do IT, where almost kind of push that love away from the sport. And I was like, I just, I just want a body build. I want to lift.

I want to do these things. And, you know, IT developed into what IT is today. So like, super grateful of every aspect of where my life went. But a kind of we had our struggles and stuff of a relationship because of the the love of the sport dying in his push, becoming more so.

I was like, he fears pulling away. It's like in relationship and honest.

even coaches are feeling me pull away. And then I got pressure from them. So was like, this very odd thing to grow up with.

When I was fifteen years old, I committed to lehigh university, which is like a very prosthetist academic university, and I communion fifteen, like they were like, you are, you're going to beyond a ninety percent scholarship in four years from now, like fifteen years old. I'm going on college visits. I went to loyal a rockers.

Uh, I was looking at Virginia. I was looking at li, obviously, to you deal I like, unlike pitching myself to these coaches as a fifteen year old, my mom driving me there like this is so cool and I like, this is awesome. But like also, i'm negotiating with a forty five year old coach at fifteen.

It's a very I feel like I had to be because like I, I really would be going into business meetings when I went with a coach in a bike up fifteen years old. This saying, trying to hold together and try to understand is going on. But I pitch myself to this coach of why I should be on this team in four years from now.

They're got red of that rule. Like N, C, A came in and was like, this is ridiculous. Scout, you can scout children literally.

It's like, it's just too far now. They'd waited the the september of their junior year to even talk to that, what age is seventeen? So a good is a .

big difference .

between fifty. So like, that was a very interesting aspect of my life, where IT definitely, looking back now, helps me drastically in business meetings. Now, like, I have no die I so like for us nine years I I pitched myself the company is say, oh why why should you give me a higher scholarship in the next the next place and so I landed a scholarship at fifteen for let's say about two hundred thousand dollars ish um for four year period.

Like it's a verbal commitment. You're not actually signed. You can leave but like your sun, if you leave, like why would you leave this opportunity.

especially given that you get education .

and you for free litter? And like my parents, they're middle class, middle upper class by now. And this was something like you're there going to community or you're gna get a scholarship, which is nothing wrong, community college.

But like, they wanted me to go play sports. So they were like, kind like dangle in front of me, like, you need to go do this. And I thought I was the best path for me.

And obviously things changed as sure will get into. But things were very interesting from like, fifteen to seventeen, eighteen. I like I grew up ten years in those two years, and obviously let me here, but very unique.

What is negotiating? I think a lot of people, even those aren't still fifteen, can resonate with this sort of having multiple desires at once. So I have one thing which I maybe very good at, and the world gives me recognition for.

Or perhaps I have a job title or maybe that provides for me or my family in one way or another. And then i've got the other thing that kind of my secret passion I must feel a little bit shamed about weirdly, because it's not the main thing and i've committed so much time. So i've got sn cost falls acy into the old thing ah what have you learned about balancing those two and the sort of split brain existence that you have to?

I I discovered a lot once I actually got two college. You through those years from fifty eighteen, I was like growing up quick and then by the time of eight, and was very much in your face, this is a reality now and now instead of this idea of I want to go do this thing, but I, but i'm contracted via across team to go perform that exist forehand, but now it's in place. I am at practice.

I am at, i'm in front of the coach is telling me that I need to do these things. I'm in front of the tube because i'm fAiling out of a class that I can have. And with all that I might play, which many people can relate to their, everyone's busy, everyone is everyone scheduled hard, everyone's trying their best, but maybe not is succeeding yet.

You know, they want to be there. And then you have this love for something else like body building. I content and i'm in the situation and i'm Young and i'm figuring out that IT is only on me to make these decisions. And as much as my i've listened, I am very good at listening to what. I am very good at being told what to do and listening and doing a great and has gotten me places, but also hurt my own personal like soul at the same time, because if I don't have that desire to do I fantastic c job.

I this. This insight around did you ever hear me talk about the region beater paradox? So it's where you feel sort of comfortable ly name and you're stuck in this weird of courtier range.

Things are so bad that that terrible, but they're not sufficiently good. You're actually living an amazing life. And I had this.

So this this thing went kind of, I, after I told rogue about IT, I came with this idea called the reverse region b to paradox, being in an aggressively terrible working cats or environment, but having such a tolerance for discomfort that you can endure IT for a lifetime. Lower resilience, less stubborn. People would snap and have to find a way to change, but not you.

You're the David goggins of working hard. Who's gona Carry the workload? You are forever.

I you're like speaking my language right now so long, you know, my dad and coaches and stuff and I I love my dad and I don't want people will think otherwise. We have a great relationship now. But there was definitely a rocky times with him and and being until across him where I was so good at just faking being uncomfortable, I was like, this is my life. I have accepted this.

Even if I only .

shock a lot of people. I generally thought I was just a depressed person. Like, for years I was like, i'm just depressed.

Like, I don't think I gona escape this and that's just, I am anxiety, depression that me but then when I was about eighteen, I realized that I am the only one like, like, let's say David gags and I can care the more OK and that boat is going to crush me if I don't decide to do something with IT. So I on the free, I recall my mom and I was like, mom and she's very like opposite of my dad. When my dad like tough love, she's very like soft nurturing love.

And I was like, I I can handle this. I'm making the decision. I am quitting.

I know this. This is a shock. The entire families can shock the coaches. I'm do a bunch of stuff. I, paperwork, find a new college.

We've just got here like a month and a half ago, at least high. And i'm like, how long to you list? I did once, false semester. But I was like, we got him, unlike mid August. And by october I was like, this is the worst feeling, every film my life I have to be done, or this is going to badly in next year.

And I conciousness picked up that fucking boat and was like, i'm out and IT was a very empower ing like IT was a very strong spiritual awakening of inner peace of making this decision for yourself. So for anyone that's like listening and understand their scenario, you're the only one that can pull yourself out and like save yourself. Like truly, there might be people that can help you.

You can lean on. You can no, you can count on them always, you know to talking you off the ledge, whatever might be helping you. But at the end of the day, there is one person that can truly make a decision and do things for you, and it's yourself. And you have no choice but to make any decisions as uncomfortable as they are, scary as they are. You you have to do these things that make those decisions that are tough.

Let's just link that. Yeah so it's got me thinking about the fact that um i'm a big proponent of encouraging people to have social support, I think in the world that's fragmented and optimize and everyone's a droid bleep bleep in their way through tiktok, spending a lot of time and having a strong social circle is is a really good and you learn on friends, they help you with lots of stuff.

But there's A A particular category of decision or maybe a number of categories of decisions that your friends simply can't help you with. They're not going to help you leave a relationship or leave a job or move house or change country. They're once you've made the hard decision, is in the pivot in direction.

They can sort of help you speed up and help you slow down. They can bring you into land if you i'm gna have the conversation with my boyfriend or girlfriend, and I really don't want to so on. And so far they can help with that IT.

But the actual, what am I going to do if it's a hard left or right turn? There is nowhere else to hide. I can have a conversation with.

You can talk IT out, but there's nobody else that's going to come and leave the job. You are all the relationship, all the flat, all the country. Or tell your parents that you do or don't want to do that thing that they do or don't want you to do.

It's it's so important. I've learned this in the past, like, I mean, decade for sure. But the past few months I have really thought to myself about not having fear because .

I think feel less tat.

I have a fearless, I have a fearless tattoo right here. I have many words on my body that I tried to live by. So we like release less fearless empathy, which always try to work on, have been more empathetic, caring as much as possible.

I think surrounding people, your surrounding core can also support those meaningful things yourself. But being fearless is not just going in doing something oh, i'm going to jump off a Cliff because i'm scared of IT. It's doing the things that like quitting your job, that because you you're so passionate, the other thing and you're like i'm going to make this happen.

I think being so fearless in my decision of of leaving a scholarship IT was something that I even realized I was doing. But I think it's the where I make mistakes in life and have to learn the most, which is always good to learn from your mistakes. But where I make the most mistakes is when i'm in fear, when I have fear and and IT alters my decision or like puts these glasses on my face that I, that I I even know they're on and i'm doing things and i'm acting a same way. I'm like, wow, I I messed up pretty bad here. I made this decision was so stupid because I was afraid of X, Y, Z.

what you're compensating to not do. The one thing that you know, you probably should do, but IT terrified of doing, yeah, you've got this large, important elephant that you need to slip the throat of, yeah, and you're 跟 你 run around this entire jungle， as opposed just facing that one elephant. A, I think to lina, actually, that says fear is an inch deep in a mile wide. So when you look at IT, IT looks like a huge tian that's going to you to drown. But when you step in IT, you realized it's it's really shallow and you're going to survive.

And I think that's almost it's really important to do things daily, you know have daily habits of getting in the gym, doing things that are very difficult. Maybe, maybe you join a running club. C, we talk in our our panel, join rock, a new running club, start cross fit or sound up for a marathon, or like I said, getting a nice back as a great example.

It's like literally one of the reasons I do IT, because everyday you look at that thing, you're like, I hate you. This is gna hurt. I'm kind of afraid to get in right now. But doing those little things that you can accomplish and get over fear for add up and then let's it's a building habit, building blocks that way when you have these really hard things of like hey, that relationships not working, those jobs is working, you at least know the the habitual side of .

IT yeah what you've got a basis where you're not super fragile and if somebody sort of hits you a little bit, you're not going to shatter into a thousand pieces yeah that being said, i'm very good at the discomfort train, breath, work your eyes baath thing um but for me i'm perennial people please I hate making other people feel uncomfortable so i'm a pretty good example for someone that stuff actually the hardness comes easy in the physical realm, in the mindfulness realm, in the all the rest of IT. But when he comes to the social rem, that never really translated over that much.

So one of the things that at least i've lend over the last probably only the last year ah, that is a good daily habit or a regular habit to think about leaning into what you talking about is basically taking the stage do with something that a tiny a little bit more difficult IT maybe needs to be that the ice path, the the song that's the whatever um a social equivalent of that which has made me braver and fear less in social scarious s is making my making my demands on my feelings known like a basically arguing for my own side. So somebody says, ask me how the day is going and like, did you notice actually know things a bit tough at the moment or actually a conversation where you know that you need to tell somebody about how they made you feel, uh, got to tell, man, I know you probably didn't mean the other day that thing that happened that really pissed me off. And uh, I I don't want impact of friendship, but that that I I don't want that to happen again.

This is how I made me feel and I want you to let you know, because you cherish this french. That's a really difficult conversation to help those little things again. And reason I say that is that I feel like there's a big cohort of people who are great at making themselves suffering work in physical training and diet and whatever is and then they still get into the social realm.

I feel like a pussy why such a pussy when he comes to having a divulged conversation with a boss or a coworker, a friend or a girlfriend and that make your demands known um advocate for yourself that's what I meant to say advocate for your own needs and make them a priority and tell the people gently and again proving that if you apply a little bit of pressure you're not made of glass and you're gona shatter. But one of my olds boxing coaches said that the most important lesson that you learn in boxing is that when you get hit in the face, you're not going to break, but when you see new boxes, maybe even up to amateur xing, this a degree of flat, flat response. But once you beaten that and you realize you ever remember that um conney gregor sequence that he did against a who is the second guy that he won the title of the a lightly title not although um I have .

know who is who was .

the second do that he wanted off he chases, opening up his laptop. Anyway, he's got this. Ah he throws this combination. But the combination begins with this overhand right from the guy that he's fighting against.

And IT IT makes the end of conner's nose go like that, uh IT like but he just knows the distance so well. I always think about that punch sort of incoming, and him basically understanding his tolerance, his resilience, are knowing that that wasn't going to hurt. And he doesn't blink.

His eyes are open at others. Wow, uh, he just even blink. And this fish comes in and touches him on the nose. And then from there he's just open to to do this. So I think it's socially the same at that.

Have this difficult conversation, advocate for your own needs, make your needs a priority and believe that they worthwhile, and show that the world's not gna break down. People aren't going to call you selfish, egotistical, narcissist for doing IT. And that's a good daily practice to one hundred.

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I remember you saying, when you started doing something a little bit different, your high school became very judge. They went exactly, super supportive. But as a Young person, how do you overcome the judgment of other if you don't have to support.

if people around you? Yeah so I have like so many scenarios in my head of like sort of scrut of things that people would do or say or they were I explain himself when I left to say fifteen and seventeen and I don't exactly remember exactly what age, but I started my fitness page, which is now my instagram and IT was called Jessie James fitness. No, I has a little ring to you know it's clearly not my just name.

It's like, oh, this brand that i'm trying to do sell t shirt working programs, whatever might be. And obvious ly, I said I had aspirations of being a youtube r and all itself. And as you in high school, at least at my high school back then, also additionally was not as Normal to try to start a youtube, but there was no tiktok like instagram and stuff.

And they see this and they see me trying to do IT. I have a good physic at this point. Like there's no it's not even like I have no, no physical, no.

no nothing to yes.

not even like I really just something I genuinely could already be in the in the industry in my point and I good genetic. Thank you and dad. Um and at this point um I have like a few thousand maybe followers and I want to see a lot of impression across. And I go to the pep rally of like freshman soft margin or seniors everybodys at their own bleacher.

There's doing tug of war during chAllenges battle of the classes IT was called um and I am a freshman at this time I remembering now or off whatever and the seniors all chant Jessie James fitness, Jesse jays fitness and i've standing there and i'm like, shit okay I can do two things here. I can look down and just like amid defeat and like let them win and i'm not like that at all and or you know I can keep my chin up. I can look at them.

I can double buy flex and say, what do you want? What you? So we were going on a photograph, and that's when they were doing IT. And I just look at them. And i'm like, and I flex IT in my head, my soul.

I'm like i'm panicking, i'm uncomfortable and i'm so embarrass like there's the girls behind you that you want to date, the friends that you you're making and all the stuff like i'm trying to be cool and what and what night but i'm like I can't let them see that like it's it's a poker face that I ve got to keep on because at least at least I can win that and I feel like I kept doing that for so long. I really did like partially not give a fuck, but also you're always give a fuck. I still give a fuck.

I get hate comments now if I get enough of them, i'm still gonna a fuck. I'm never not going to have fuck as if you don't care that just because you don't have a desire in this anymore. And I remember I I do the flex, we do the top of war, whatever.

And then in the hallways they be like, i'm on face. I don't care. And I like people really started to pick up on that.

And like there's like m fort is like not breaking and these are like the the junior earth, the the create above me i'd ever uh the cool kids, I called them the entitled kids, they very much were no hate against now everyone no big deal and maybe who I was but another time was um a kid for halloween. I and he might know he watching this, I forgive you. It's OK.

Uh, he dressed up as me. Hey, no, you. He dressed up as me. And I, I remember seeing this and I was like this.

This is this a new level to accept, like this fuck, and honestly, like ogan tomorrow. So he he dresses up me, he's a fucking muscle to on at a party by sixteen seventeen and use on the kids. I like go drinker, his friends, I I drink a little one high school, whatever.

I was a little party, I don't have time. I was playing across every every day and I was like, i'm sitting at home in my inside and unlike, wow, this fucker is dressing up as me right now. It's as Jessie James fitness and like those things, just like stick with you as like A A driving motivation, like why I want to make IT even trauma reaction like I was action.

You're not you're not going to control me. I'm going to defeat you and everything in front of me. You're just a wall that I have to break through, you know? And if I can handle this, I don't deserve what I want.

Like, if you that I was my mindset, and I saw that I remember and and he knows crazy, is that now, year five, few months ago, he messed up, I would never name him, but he message me about my Michael chanler collab and he's like, dude, saw the chair collab so sick. Great job. And I was like, huh? weren't. And I like, honestly thank you to one of those.

We are things about having a chip on your shoulder, about stuff that happened in your past, that. Maybe some kids new or in reflection, realized how much you might have impacted you, but a lot of the time it's just kids to being kid. I know and that's very strange, right? Because the impact of something is so much greater than the um like estimate of IT IT hurts way more than what was thrown yeah if that makes sense. And that's a really strange thing, I think, for people as circle for them to squat. How can I be the case that this person doesn't deserve for me to still bear a gredge against them?

They that that heard I remember you still remember IT raza for some reason and i'm going to assume that it's from my mom the way he raised me and always like helped me up in a way or SHE believed in me before I believed in me, and he believed in me so much that I ended up believing in myself, in everything I am. I weird. I believe in myself for things I shouldn't believe in myself.

Or i'm like, I could be, I could be a musician if I wanted. Let's be real, Jessie, your little tone death but like, you know, I mean like how that mindset that's ingrained in me and from a Young age so seeing those things happen and then he would not be SHE be like the backbone and you like you can't let us affect you. Like in in reality, this is not doing anything.

It's really not doing anything. The only thing I could do is hurt you and then you're just stopping yourself from doing anything because it's in your head like no one else seeing that i'm going, you know i'm i'm not gonna support Jessie because that kid wear a muscle suit like like that. SHE doesn't exist. It's all how we perceive IT. So having that like backbone and belief in my body that my mom and still be from a Young age, I think, is one of the reasons that I am in the position I am where I have so much unconditional belief in myself that I tell people if you believe in yourself and you actually believe not just like ah I believe in myself because I told by Chris and Jessie in the podcast to you like if you genuinely believe in yourself, you are seventy five percent are there towards goals like will you will accomplish if you believe .

yourself put in the work is done what has been the what's. Been the process of closing the loop with your dad? Yes, having been pushed so hard, presumably a lot of disapointment when the thing that he's worked on with you for nearly a decade goes like pull the pin and just tossed .

out the window was that was a very hard time. Honesty for my whole family because like me is me, my sister, my mom, my dad, and all very close. We will communicate in great relationships.

And for years was all great. But then with my dad being so, and he because he thought this was the best for me, he thought, this is gonna Jessie successful. He's going to have security when he's older, like this.

IT was out of love. IT was just this love that was, I guess, you could say, hopeful and away and like a little toxic. And so I go through, i'd be of quitting and like ripping the on.

Ade, shocking. I call my mom. I call my sister. I believe her. I've always kind of gone to hers.

Like, are I what do I do? Like he just kind like another parent to me. And she's like, you're gonna to like, you just call mom tel, what's going on to chill handle, dad?

That was kind of always how we like mom is gonna andle that and I tell my mom and she's like, i'll talk to your father and basically my mom tells me the conversation like this. They came to visit me at lehigh h during a luma game. We are playing a game. And after the game, we want to target me, my mom, going on and just get my college supply stuff because we go early in sports. You you don't go, never starts and I go in there and this has been i've been there for about three weeks.

I'm really fucked and struggling like very, very depressed and I break down crying to her, just like I can keep IT in like, and i'm just walking target like I I T to check out out my right when I start tearing up and and i'm like, oh my god and I look at her and i'm like, i'm like something so fucking wrong like I I, I feel like I can't feel anything I have no interest in like women right now and not that person, anything else but just like my emotion of who Jessie was, like I was one of to go out and I talk to the girls didn't care at all. None of that social media I still doing IT. But I just like, fuck man, like my desire of everything is gone.

Only thing I had that kept me sort of seen was lifting and music and those like two things that I like combined together and is my only safe space. And remember, leaving A A target, my mom, then drop my mom data in the car. My dad doesn't know.

I just cried like fuck and suck IT up. Like you're fine. Like get the car.

Like the good boy that's fucked in completing this mission of hours. And when he drops me off, he told the conversation. He looked in my down and was like, you're not saying a word he's leaving.

You have no say so should I care to this fuck in legend and she's like, you have to accept this and that's how is period and a conversation and I feel he kind of new for a while like I never skipping parts in the story of like my darkness is and stuff like he kind caught the idea little bit like my son struggling. But I feel like he didn't want to admit IT. And but what that did was IT broke down this massive barrier .

of how my dad .

thought I should go about life, and also broke down a massive for myself that maybe I I don't have to listen to everyone telling me to do things, and maybe I should just listen to myself and actually like pursue things that I want to.

And I haven't I having been able to in six years of my life, i've been playing across every day, every weekend, missing homecoming, uh, late to prom, believing from weekend because I can go play an author game like the ship never ended and like IT made me like landless less. Definitely IT was like dedication and relying on right there. But that should stock me for so long of like I didn't get anything for a while, like experience that Normal people have. And I feel like I just hit a big breaking point when I got to college.

And once that happened IT was a IT was then thought, like my mom tells my dad just is out accept to her, you know you're not in a relationship, your son basically I then you know I come home for the weekend um I talk to my dad and stuff and he's like he's very understanding is like honestly I don't want to speak for him but I think it's one of his biggest regrets is pushing me that that far to my limits were as a father you never want to push your son into depression or anything not that he push me there, but like actions added up to set up. yeah. And I know like we have a great relationship now.

We did throughout years, I was open down and good bats and times. Now it's a great relationship. But during that time, IT definitely like change his mindset of, like just everything, and really like john, how to become a newman and accept things, and I to become a newman and learn that I have to say what I want in life, do what I want, and like you said, hold yourself.

I have to advocate for myself at all times, because this is the same that I stuck with. Do what you meant to, not what you're supposed to. Everyone is always supposed to be doing something, but if you're not meant to be doing that, what fuck are you doing IT like, seriously.

I wonder how many people have gone through their entire lives never doing anything that they were supposed to do. You know that sad. It's just been one big series of dominoes from when they were born until now, of whatever age they are, where they never told that dad, or the equivalent of IT that they didn't .

want to do the ross, yeah. And 啊， it's like one of my main missions on social media. Yes, I want to do big things, make co videos. But like the the true why of like the core of life started.

Why do all this was because I went through that, and I feel like I went to such a dark phase of my life with such a bright awakening. I was like, people need to know this should like, people need to just not, not be told IT. But shown IT.

I would, i'd advocate for myself that on my channel is me living my best life, doing cool things that I have desires that i'm interested in. You know, I am interested in vikings. I'm going to go free in norway, jump off a Cliff of vikings and eat and drink me and do these cool things.

Is like that something I always want to do? I have a lot of fascination and stuff like that. And I always wanted to leave us a concious message with my videos, like if you're not living life to the fullest, like you are missing out on so much. And I hope that people can watch this and realized that you are worth that meant to life, rather than that supposed to life. And I hope people can pursuit meant to eventually.

Yeah, it's scary, man, that you know why I think educating for yourself, making your needs known, almost does this sort of assumption. A lot of people have very much a british thing, but maybe working, classing to that who might do actually have needs or desires or want in that regard, that does this sort of weird glory and sacrifice, and subjecting yourself say, no, no, no, it's noble for me to hate what I do and still do IT.

It's noble for me to suffer this sort of weird so of self lagus tion as you whip yourself through whatever IT is that going to? And in some ways there is, but no one's going to give you some award at the end of your life that says he suffered in silence. There's not going to be a banner over your death bed IT goes congratulations for never making a fuss yeah I don't think that that exists.

And so much of the advice that on the internet at the moment, has been borne out of a identity politics victim hood, fragile ity over diagnosis of Normal human discomfort as a pathological mental problem world. So most of the content is goggins and joko saying, stay hard, sucking up but a cup. You don't need to be such a soft person, but there is a world of people out there who are making themselves suffer too much.

You are advocating for their own desires, who aren't making their needs know, who don't believe that they, that they should be a priority in their life, in anybody else. And I think that they are the sort of people that listen to the show. And that stuff, in many ways, pushes them further into what they already have too much of. They don't need to do more suffering. They need to get Better, making their own need known to the people around them.

Yeah, I think I think IT comes down to and not like how I said about believing in yourself. I think a lot of people weren't raised the way to have that where they need to learn that in twenty third is whatever. And that way harder than growing up thinking that.

So i'm definitely like very blessed to have that intuitional belief in myself from like, day one. And I think for those that may not relate to that, how how I have that belief, it's one of those things that that's where I think you need to realize. There is things like the nine to five and there's things like the entrepreneurial route.

And I think it's really important people to realize that IT isn't always grass, isn't always grass is Greener on other side. I think you'll need to realize that there is just as much in some scenarios struggle in an on to do everything on my own. Oman in twenty four hours.

Rather good luck. It's hard. One of five. Good luck.

If I to go that good luck. It's hard. It's hard on both ends. Life is just a matter of almost like what evil you, anna, put your .

energy and .

like they see organs and suffer, suffered, suffered. This job I make. But you also could just input that same exact sufferers energy into maybe something that you have passion and drive for.

It's still gonna maybe have its moments of difficulty and sock, but at least it's towards something that like your show, it's different feeling of of outcome of just internal feeling like your souls dupine hits. You know. I mean.

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It's like five things that i've kind of like said, i'm out, I went, I, I, I left that Normal teenage life. That's one left lehigh. That's two, one to a month later, state university d three school, very close to home, sort like more expensive community ecology you can live at and play across there and played there, did very well was I got had the most golden team and stuff like that. So again, people like keep doing that, doing zg my.

is this what .

i'm supposed be doing? So then that got to a point where I was like, I wanted I went straight in to my coach. I was like, I don't want to do anymore.

That was, that was the third time. He luckily like, I I appreciate what he did. He was like, I wanted to shift your perspective.

I don't want you to look at this as waiting for the big bank. I don't want you to look at this as you have to be here. Just go out hanging out with the guys.

do your day, supply pressure .

yourself and that laying that up for a while really did. And kind of like, as I almost like an internal aniele that we all put on ourselves of, like, I have to be here. I have to do this all.

I got to wake up at six animal is like, you know what is happening? Let's accept this, rather fight IT in that internal fight. That internal fight is where anxiety is painful because in your head you're basic living through at multiple times, and you're forcing yourself to feel the anxiety that happening in real life.

But if you just take a second, this helps me a lot with anxiety. I take a step back, I go, I have anxiety right now and i'm feeling IT. And I allow myself to feel the anxiety. And my body almost like releases detention and I kind of relax into IT and yes, there's still anxiety but it's like it's like when you're in the ice bath and you're fuck, oh my god, i'm dying this killing me and .

then you're like, you know what and you .

just let IT yes, except IT cept the pain mock twin .

says worrying is like paying a that's that you don't oh, and that is it's not just the discomfort of the thing that you going to have to do at the fifty times that you think about that thing in advance of IT. And then once you finished thinking about IT and IT happens, you then sort of ruminate about the fact that yeah I .

know exactly I also want to say and I don't think people will know this about me um I was i'm total fine being open about but i'm on and enter the presence of um ice current a ton of xiety. When I was like fifteen I no idea to handle IT so I kind of I acted out in anger because I didn't know what this feeling was and IT was to strike up anxiety and IT came a lot from the pressure of sports. And I only scored two goals today.

I perform Better last week. What do I do? I just dropped the ball.

Everyone's looking at me. The coaches are mad, whatever IT might be. And I went on to zoo off meli. Fifty milligrams for literally nine years per crazy. The one time I came off, and there is something, bring this up because I want to almost Normal alizad like y if you're on this stuff. I used to feel ashamed that I was on IT and not tell anybody. Like, maybe my two best friends knew for like five years and known else new, but I won IT for from fifteen to eighteen when I went to lee hi is the only time I ever came off.

the the time you made the most important decision.

the time I made the most important decision, my life, and also felt the most pain in my life. Did I feel more pain because I was off. I have no idea.

Nothing, not a lot. It's small. But I then went back on, you felt, regulated does IT work. I honestly have no idea.

I can tell you, you without being I never never be interested in uh tight trading down a uh a dropping off IT this can be for the rest of your .

life is a good question. I have these conversations um one thing that i'm afraid of is altering my mind from where it's out right now. I think eventually, I think IT comes from a lot of internal work and daily practices to be able to shift off of IT like I get on breath work.

I don't do that now. I have got a maybe go on the song and the ice bath and little things like that, that I need to taking account if i'm coming off of IT. The only thing I fear, and I could be like, just like a the traumatic is in twenty eighteen, is being that depressed and having that I think that me stopping registers in my brain as that's going to happen the answer, if you might not you know.

I probably does not, but i'm scared. It's a high risk strategy. I mean, I have no idea what long term, decades long S S R I usages. But you know, you've got you and say you've got business. You seem like you have a lot of energy. So a lot of the things that seem to come along for the ride with us as our like libido dipping, energy dipping desire to drive .

and train and support that. I know that Lucy well yes.

or maybe like everyone away came away um I had Andrew wilkinson on the show is a billionaire own tiny dog com got a bunch of the businesses and he was seeing the praise of S S R. Rises well and this is another another one of those conversations where the midwood headline is S S R S are overprescribed ed for people that don't need them, therefore all necessary bushed.

Everyone is on them as a wim, right? The second order smart person thinking is that probably is over prescription. And maybe S S R S, do only move the needle a little bit, especially for many cohoes.

But some drugs, some people are hyper responded to certain drugs. And IT seems like for you, hasn't come of the whole bunch side effects. And he does seem to work well.

Andrew wilkinson said the same. He tried everything. He tried key to, he tried can avoid, tried breath work corp.

He didn't all of the different things. And then he tried to S, S, R. And IT seem to work.

So i'm like, i'm really keen to just get people out of this reflective midway thinking, which is a pussy. S, S, R, S, go. okay.

What is IT somehow more noble for someone to suffer and be miserable as opposed to take me? It's the same thing with olympic. I think lots of people are going to come around eventually when the conceptual inertion of taking appeal to lose weight is cheating OK.

Does that mean that the caffeine in your drink is cheating because that's augmenting the way that you have the right? Does that mean that a diabetic that can produce insulin that needs to take a shot as they cheating to stay alive? Their police yeah, just like suck IT up.

see. So I I really and unfortunate with the audience I have to that thought for people. But yeah, are avoiding that mid with thinking is something that super born. And it's really cool. The um S S R I effectiveness for you that seems to have you functioning pretty Normal people.

I've heard on the mog cast it's like suction James english years ago they were like, I think a jse's brain matic ally produces, add all in his head and I was like, that makes a lot of, I don't I don't do any drugs like whatsoever. I drink, maybe one drink a month and it's like some the way i'm Operated is almost like I am on these performance enhancing drugs, I feel like which is naturally something in my body and drive and passion. So luckily the S S S haven't effect to mean any negative way may be that's why i'm like able to work so much.

I don't know. It's so happy.

Seems like it's functioning prety.

So happy guys, to think about what you said that if you were to come off them, you'd have to go through all of these routines maybe to ensure that mental health was in a good place. So last six to eight months for me has been rough. I've been detoxing from mold in a house I was living in, which for anybody is going through its brutal.

I still haven't sort of fully talked about IT on the show. Yeah, it's been awful. It's so hard. And the way that I described IT to my therion was IT feels like the gravity of your mood is so much heavy wow.

So in order for me to be in a good mood, or for my brain to be functioning well, I have to have just got out of a cold plunge after doing a son and listened to my favorite music on my way to see my friend to eat my favorite food while the sunshine you not eat. IT doesn't just, you don't just stumble upon a good mood, and you don't just stumble upon a good sort of a mind space in terms of energy. I'm always forgetting things.

My mood is always struggling and IT feels like swimming stream and that's kind of the same thing you're talking about that. So when IT comes to enhancements in different ways, I was uh, talking to doctor mike and Crystal, his wife, the year the day and SHE was saying even this new class of S S R is now that they've dialed in the formulation more effectively. IT works on a different pathway as even fewer IDE effect to basically free happiness.

And I understand because of up until now, most of pharmacology hasn't come along every time that you try and give someone a free lunch. There is some unseen cancer down the road. There is some side effect collectors through the road of people are dying because of blood clot, whatever might be.

There are all of those, apart from when you get to the stage way, you can fully master these things. That's like kind of saying previously, well, you know, we've said that surgeries are going to work for all of this time at each time that we do if people get keep on getting infected. So that understanding of the germ theory of disease.

But then as understandings continue to develop, I think we should be cautious about using, uh, lessons from the past to sort of inform right now, at least super judged mentally like let's be open to this, especially given is like saying, how can you have a computer to talk steam? I don't know. L M seem to be doing a pretty good. So the same thing might happen in pharma logy as well. Yeah um but yeah the idea of having to work hard for a good mood, something that have been intimately familiar with over the last .

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feel IT about at the hour and a half ago I and then I look my family and I was like, I didn't think my fucking in pill I think so i'll .

turn a corner in my brain with a wo wow so it's happening.

It's not about the laid by like it's like thirty six hours I got hit and I was like.

wo okay, but it's not as if you build up some passive reservoir of this time. So it's happened prety quick and I ve .

always had that. Like if I miss you one day, I get I get getting .

onto some of the stuff. The eaton's fitness we talked about this early on hybrid training running is super popular at the moment. You run every day for a month. What did that do to you?

IT gave me a lot of respect for runners, um especially hybrid runners. I see all runners and any any, any new chAllenger work out tough but doing everyday IT was like new and fun in your sore in the beginning and it's really hard. But I feel like running is a different sort of reward where I see a very quick result where I run three miles on day one horrible time, i'm dying, i'm cramping.

I feel terrible like bommaerts a marathon and thirty is. How is going happen by day seven? Unlike I can run three miles.

Then when you were a section of hard again, you got a taper up. I get a very rapid prep. No, really.

Does this nik bear sort of coach me, is like, this is the best case scenario. You're gna run this many miles each day. Good luck. Known to do .

this started from not being a runa, and within thirty days .

did marae amErica y how did ah the marathon excruciating? Ah IT wasn't the most painful thing I ever done and say, what what, what IT is because you want to hear that um the marathon, the first thirteen miles were pretty chill and I was like, our halfway, like this is gona be pretty easy, like not easy, but like i'll be OK and then I get to miles fifteen. I was like, bw, my legs.

Like, I just like not CoOperating. Now about sixteen I entered, uh, the wall, which they call it's like a wall. The wall means the all running is where you hit this block a period of time, many miles, one miles could be ten doesn't everyone is different and it's the biggest hurdle that you have to get over.

It's the same. You're run at the sam Epace. There's no difference. Nothing has changed.

It's just your body has and your body and mind has created this wall that you have to literally get through. And for me, that was miles sixteen to twenty four. For many people, everyone's I do. When you hit .

miles twenty.

you're to hit a wall. You get three, you'll d 4。 And I, I kept, I, T, I kept getting drastic, worse and worse.

And I was like, I like, I have to be live in the wall soon. I have to be live in the wall soon. Now, twenty two, why am I still in the wall? What is happening?

I am. I gonna die.

And it's not because I had a very rapid training for IT um and at this point, I my hp lectuaries during a tear off the bone and i'm very underprepared. Thirty days is no near enough. No one should ever do that that you stupid make a youtube video, uh, we get a mile twenty four I meet an Angel of a man.

I think he he was mat, and he was mad like, a little like an Angel that someone has pour IT there. I was like, hey, hey, you and is like, hey, oh you like youtube guy he like, i've seen you and as, uh can can I run with you please? Because we're running, we're through the woods also is very difficult neathway.

They're all hard and I catch up with him and I look at, my god, do not slow down, down, slow down. I'm gonna going to keep up with you. And then we start this pace and i'm just like, i'm to cry already, it's happening.

But I stick with him and and then he start slow down. I, and then I pick him up and I come on, come on. And then a third you joined us and all dying together and it's like we've never met each other our lives.

We're all like, you got this, bro, what your name nice to meet you and dying and we finally make IT. And honestly, like my if I didn't me my at mile twenty four rish, I genuine. I kept like walking, running, walking in the last few miles before I met him. I do IT if I have to walk of this like I have failed so miserable, i'm so mad at myself because I know I can, I can handle the pain. And I kept reminding myself, this is not the hardest thing you've done, the hardest thing i've done by, by the way, when I finish the marathon, my financer was at the end before feeling giver huggs saw my mom, had my team there, lay on the ground, couldn't get up, couldn't train him from you.

like, six week.

I can say what the next few days like, oh my god, the pain was so bad, I I was limping for multiple days. I could barely lift my leg, and for about six weeks, my that attended by your needs like those too, like string attendance. Uh, I could not do a hamstring cruel for the life of me.

I could do like squats and step, but I could not curl anything like, not even like five pounds, felt like like I tried to or something. And then my hip, I could not raise my right leg. And then for a while there's not crunching going on.

All like this was a bad idea. And video is great. Three point three million views, probably growing. Uh, the my favorite about that video was the the story telling and ending at the end was so like pure and IT really moved people and got people. So like .

the common video, that video, his athon.

which the sub three, yes, I saw how I took him, like decades, decades. I win mine three, fifty three, and I was super happy with that. I was like, what I held that I, I, I, I am not gonna lie.

I'm an athlete. I played you across. I was very good sports and stuff. Like being athletic doesn't, doesn't isn't hard for me, but running a marathon is while the different athletic doesn't really matter, there just matter like willows.

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But let me tell you about the hardest thing that i've done, how god, I have trauma from this one you can think a guiding brian Johnson and A K A liver king kay, this guy psychopath. Love greg, I be around, uh, extremely successful business man, very motivating. Uh, he does this thing called the barbarian.

You have fifteen pound on ankle weight on each leg, fifteen pound uh earth, seventy pound backpack, hundred and fifty hundred forty pounds sled and holding thirty pounds cattle bells and is one hundred and twelve degrees outside in texas. It's August or july or something and you to go to the sand, so like sand gives resistance as as you pull digger digger itself into the ground, it's tortuous. So it's like if you do the mathew, three hundred fifteen pounds or Carrying like and you'd go a mile, does not want with him the first time I met him, uh, and we did on flat gravel, I did in an hour in twenty something minutes I beat by an hour.

I was like, what hell happened? That was like, okay, that was one of the hardest things i've done, not the hardest. Then I do the second chAllenge.

Later, he invites me back his eyes, I want you do the barberry crucible. My sounds terrible, but I mean, i'm all four stupid things that I have to put myself through. So why a little of excavation this and we do this, but corner mile, and I was like, already having a first heat stroke.

And I was like, IT, I was like, w, this is next level because it's through sand. It's to dirt. It's through.

The same thing, same exacting, same mile, just the course is ten times harder and he last time he did, he was have that like, let me chase you feeling this time he'd just chill and he's smoking and drinking his all in the Walker talky guy next to me talk and shit and I told them, I said, I will finish this and this goes back to my life. Almost stupid, believe in myself where I do things that hurt myself because i'm like, i'm not going to fail. I am not gonna p.

So I psychotics ally, do this for like, let's take three quarters of the mile and I get to the sand. It's like first half just gravel and dirty stuff, hard and not the worst sand IT like last point for miles. And I get to this point where i'm now full on having a heat roke.

I'm freezing. It's hundred and twelve. The results I makes no sense. I've sweat all water out now. I'm covered in weight because like my, like literally or just on me and i'm like， i'm like i'm dying. I look at the producers and of micro down.

I was love to drink water.

They're pouring a ton of water me, but like nothing was working. And I look at their production, I like, i'm done. I'm going on.

They said if you only clip you'd done about on clip and they are like, don't to IT and i'm like, i'm stupid. I'm going to told that what to do. I still doing IT like, okay, he said, don't do IT.

I'm not going to do IT. I'm going to keep going. I go, I go next each frog on the ground laying over thirty minute.

I'm like, my soul has left my body. I know I don't have sweat left in my body. I'm covered.

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yeah. But I get to a point. I'm like, i'm like you.

I have point one five left of a mile like I have to just finish this same thing in the marathon like if I don't answer me pissed once I feel Better on me pissed and I I somehow slugged my way to the end. Five steps drop. Five steps drop, five steps drop. I'm like to dead in the face. I get there across french side collapse on the ground and he's like.

yeah.

there you go brother is like, yeah, a boy so like like IT the fuck like he's always saying psychotics and i'm really .

good .

and safe to say IT took me four hours, four hours go mile. And that was most painful thing I ever in my life. So when I did the marathon, I just kept thinking about that.

And I like, that was four hours of more pain. This is four hours of a different pain. My legs have never had so much lack to ask my body.

My upper bodies perfectly find my mind can push through this. But with liver, king is like your arms are tired. Your legs are tired. Your soul, you couldn't even feel your soul because you're so dehydrated was crazy.

What have you learned about resilience to physical discomfort from the chAllenges and things that you ve done?

I've learned that you can push your body so much farther than you'd ever think. Something that I know that I learned that lehigh, um we'd had a navc, of course, come to us and so I hate IT everything about the high school. Uh the guys were cool.

The coaches were always nice to me. But like the programme didn't want to do. All us have sucked when they brought in nab seals and made to stay up fifty hours.

Favorite thing I was, I was the Price a fuck in love. That way Better than whatever to help we are doing before. So it's like this where everyone else hay day I like, I don't know why that was the best part of my month.

And we do this co do not like remembering the sheet crazy. Okay, i'm like eighteen, like, I like a hundred eighty pounds right now. I was probably almost two hundred, just meat stick broking, forty five hundred calories a day.

And they make us do perfect jumping jacks, perfect set of perfect push up. One person messes up. Everyone is required to call that one person out.

Please make them feel like shit. And then everyone runs because of IT. We do that for four hours straight.

They say, go home. One hour sleep, we go home, we fuck and lay down. We get back up. Were in a pool, three A M, they say, put your sweats, suits on full crew neck, full sweat pants, these sweat pants like, double like cell that we're wearing.

And I like jump in the pool and like what and they're like, if you can swim, go to the shallow and like that as they said this to us. And I was like something to die. We go in and they're like, okay, we're going to do to push up to the city, everything on the outside, the pool or soaking when we're doing them.

We're calling out people for not doing IT, right? And you you're the kind you don't if you if they see, you see someone and say and you don't go, hey, john y over here didn't do is push up right now. You're fuck now you get called out.

So if everybody is calling out each other and same like you suck, you're horrible, very trauma tizer. For some people, you should see the faces on these people where I am onna die. And then we go on the pool and we're like, okay, now we're going to do basically like a deep and simulation thing where you've to take off your switcher, you have to switch with somebody and then put IT on IT.

It's some navc al training. Don't know the name of IT, but wild experience that you tread, you're threading and you're in like picture like so much resistance on your legs and you're like forty pounds, twenty pounds heavy with this, like waited close on you and you're trying to swim and everyone's like every trying to like how you got this, you're got this. You're talking each other up and they're like everyone take off your sweater her and need to go ready ready attack calls like everyone's on the exact same page and you take IT off and you're reading you're treading one ARM you to hold that up of one ARM until everybody is is ready, you know and and IT takes two minutes at least to get these things off like stuck to you.

Kids don't know what you're doing. Some kids literally being held up by other people, I should say, is really adult at this time. And we're ready.

We're treading. And then it's like radiating attack switch with somebody. You switch now ready, your attack put IT on. So think of like a wet rag, like stuck together and you're like trying, like find the opening and you're treating still for like, right, like many eight of treading and then we put IT on and we're like, all is dying.

Some kids are near drowning, like genuinely two people holding their arms up and they're like their head is barely move the water. And if they don't complete IT restart, we did like four rounds of this thing and they would they look at the team cattle, how quick can you do IT? They want them to push the hell out of us.

And the team and says something like, two minutes. Okay, I do the end. They look again, did you didn't want fifty? How quick can you do? IT one thirty, one thirty.

You didn't want twenty five. How quick you do are one twenty. We do IT. We get all the way out like one one fifteen and one twenty, and we're all in turning water for like forty thirteen minutes because in tween maybe you quick put the shoulder on something, but you're crazy experience and that is free youtube chAllenge. So like doing that a definitely showed me like you're capable of so much those seats that they were like, listen, when you think you're done, when you think you're done not just like a tired and done, when you think you're truly done, you have forty percent left in the attack and you need to tell yourself that every single time when you're on the field, when you think you're done, forty percent left keep pushing and I was like, today I want to live by that and like, obviously i'm not a baby so by any means or anything, but like that stock of me and when I get those moments, I think they still, they still sticks to me. Forty percent left when I marathon twenty four, still forty percent left.

sadly. Yeah, I want the again, how many people would benefit from really formative experiences like that? You know it's such an opportunity for you to do IT as a college of but most people get out of that.

You know I hear about um these alpha boot camp things that are happening. I know the owners and there's a bunch of them Better rosse's in on the show, William, if you know him. Ah and this is kind of easy to mock online because the storyline tells you too much.

It's just wait too easy a headline. Well yes, someone says a man pays ten thousand dollars to have dude with beard and full sleep shouted him while he doesn't sleep. It's a funny headline. But when you actually look at what those kinds of formative experiences maybe teach you and the fact that you got to learn that the eighteen, yeah, the reason that it's a big, the people think it's a bit crack and you might be crying or not to the reason of people think it's a bit cringe is why are you at forty five needing this?

We get, well, what if you've never had IT before? What if you ve never pushed yourself to that place before? Normal person? At what point in your life are you going beyond that forty percent line you think is your Normal one?

Even someone that runs marathon? If they're preparing for six months of a full year for IT, IT should be a relatively sure thing. Unless you've got some sort of weird pathology in your heart blows of half ware.

Yeah, you would be a difficult and impressive but relatively then OK what about? Well, okay, even with that, the point is that you are training to be able to do the thing. You IT would be almost like I see .

you to say you doing something that you're almost not prepared for the told yourself so much that you will gain a much more valuable lesson than if you had.

of course.

which is crazy. yes. And going to that, i'm very great. This is where the moments where I I then look back at my dad setting me up in these situations where i'm like, thank you so much for even though was rocky y at times.

Thank you so much for making me go to this because there's a reason i'm in the position I am, there's a reason I can handle so much, and there's a reason that I can push myself so much and all falls back to. Being in the rain, the hail, the snow and throwing the ball million times. And I like, why are we doing this? IT all makes sense now.

And the way liverpool is why why I respect him so much. And yes, he has. He had to scandals, but as a man, and you could argue this because he lied whatever. As a man that I know, as he is like a friend of mine, I see his sons, and then I see the way he is with them.

And how is similar to my father and the way that he pushes them and the way that my dad pushed me and and I look at, I look, I told them and I said, I said, I know. And I might not make sense now what your dad is doing and how you got to do the barberry. You got to, you know, be strict to diet or whatever it's gonna make, give IT ten years.

You're going to thank him. And I and I promise, I promise they will. I, I won't, I promise. But ninety nine percent, there might be one percent chance that they will. And that's the one of the things where doing hard things is shown necessary.

And I think even if you're forty five, what would age born buffer become a billionaire e or a millionaire asn't like forty or fifty IT took a long time. Oh, let's make fun of his brick in self from why are you a millionaire Younger row like, no, he's a billionaire now like IT doesn't matter what time you start, what age you start. I think the fact is that not everyone has the opportunity to go to a across program on a scholarship and have a dad push them and care for them that much. With that, he wants to put him in that scenario where you end up going to those things to learn those lessons at eighteen. unrealistic.

Some people do have to learn lessons in adult hod that they should have london childhood.

There's a million lessons to learn .

and it's kind of IT is very strange. In a world where we want people to be more resilient, there is an od amount of sort of teasing and pity and mocking for people that takes up seriously when they get into late life. And OK IT is IT is not far off the developmental equivalent of mocking a fat person going to the gym.

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You competed.

yes. What was that process like what's IT feel like to be done?

terrible. Um so i'll i'll explain once again, this is sort of a scenario where it's I tend to do things in a much shorter period time. And you're supposed to one because it's like a new chAllenge that I think is different than everyone else is chAllenge that maybe I just don't drawn to.

But then secondly, I think it's it's more interesting for videos and real life and more realistic for me. I can't devote a year to train. I could like I realized I got other three, other nine, three, thirty day videos I want to make this year.

So I can't vote a year to training for marathon. I only got thirty days. And then when that's done, I got the next thirty day chAllenge.

We can five m can't do multiple. You can't do multiple once and not one we share. So we state the question, sorry.

what does IT feel like to be that lean?

What does that feel like to be that?

An so in the process of losing that much, fought in such a short space time.

So you look like a body building. Private, sixteen weeks. I did mine. And lets say eight, i'm always pretty lean. I never really broke past like fifteen percent body fat um the first week or two is you know like you're it's tough if you're doing cardio whatever maybe you're tired but the the last like three weeks were so so hiring and lake emotionally stealing in a way where I literally felt nothing like I was a corps.

You could look at at me in the eyes and you could be like, you're thinking nothing right now you have no emotion, and everyone experiences prett different. Some people look at in a very beautiful way and that they love seeing the changes in their body. For me, IT was tough seeing the changes, like did IT looking at a photos and I was treated.

But then in the moment, it's very odd because you look at yourself and you pinch the city, your body, and i'm like, i'm not even that lean, so skinny right now. I don't look like c bum. I looks, I looks stupid.

Yeah, i'm posing my legs. My legs on't even touching their so skinny. You know, it's like you start really picking at all these negative things in your head.

And if I wasn't making content around IT, I think that definitely helped to keep my mind off that sort of this morning. C thought. And I was like, okay, I we've admission here.

We're making awesome videos at the same time. I can focus on that more. But I definitely, I took a huge toll. My relationship, uh, i've literally like every single emotion I just didn't have like I couldn't .

feel happy. I .

couldn't feel. I like deal too much hunger, which is like a gift. It's just lack of energy.

I feel like the gic. I feel I know my lood sugars. Like I I feel very of all time.

And I was like, this is just a brutal, just get to the end date. The show is a very fun. Experience is very rewarding.

It's awesome being on stage, you know, yelling most moscow, posing against people. Awesome experience. Highly recommend everybody do IT maybe once, uh, or at least then everybody should get pretty lean. Wants to experience what it's like to one look at your best and to really see the different type of hard work IT takes to get to the next level of body conditioning because my level and then there's even so much farther that c bomb goes and every other competition out there I was named him because I was like.

what do you think got done to.

uh, greatest at six percent? Okay, so even, let's say, six and I have to be friendly. Yes, very pretty lean and as a natural my hormones were kant like two hundred grams test, two hundred free. Like, oh my god, dude.

thankfull still .

works on back still works, don't worry. But the feeling of tuner test is actually ly horrible. And that's like one reason why I just like I don't have a desire to compete anymore. Slash for a very long time.

What was the how to spot of IT?

I feel like accepting, if you know that, is that the hardest part is that same anxiety fight where these you like have so uncomfortable and in your body like wants the tense internally and fight this uncomfortable about .

feeling yeah rather .

than just like let's like I talk to Chris about this recently. He was like you to just know that this is your choice. You can stop if you on and IT almost. I feel like he is that like where he can turn that that internal battle against IT and a lot of other successful body builders have that ability. I ve been learned.

what's the same as you were saying? I've got to get up at six in the morning, gone to get up at six and in the morning as opposed to just, yeah so funny man. I think it's it's cool to see.

You're like an elite ite Normal, you know I mean your kind of a representation here for nobody looks and goes sea bump and free once in a generation body builder with out fantastic background, the perfect nutrition and a little bit of hormonal help and all the rest of IT. Someone I asked him is on the show this week when I speak to him about what prep feels like. What theory of mind have I got to know what it's like to be Christians at the body? Yeah, none. But I feel like you're just .

a lite Normal put IT. We've got to take my teams behind that. We got to take notes and that's going to help that help like ideas, the best of the omi because do you think about IT? It's like that's like I didn't a Normal thing the athon a Normal thing five for thirty days is not really that much Normal cold .

point everyday .

is having A D ah a puppy in the same thing. But yeah I think I think another experience that really stands out to me, this is kind of tangible play and experiences that I want to talk about that truly change my life was with wim hot. And that was, oh my god, that was such a magical experience doing that in person.

Because we know what the way of method does. I'm sure if you're done, the breathing, of course. So we know, we know how good that break, that breath work feels the ice bath you get in tour fans.

But imagine doing IT what to do that like the creator of IT almost, do you know? I mean, and is the kindest person really? I thought so, like safe with him and I come in. First thing we do is like, let's was finland netherland area?

I sten, uh, but did he do that thing where you have to penguin dive of the he.

he did IT, I didn't. I was like that a little dream that water is gotta be like thirty one in point nine degrees is fair night um but first thing he does dive in the cold water I oh, I oh my god and i'm like, i'm a little familiar I been singled showers prepare for this video and I like, aren't wearing IT. Let's go.

And then we do, we do some apps, we do some breath work. And when I want to talk about the breath work, because that was the most like spiritual wakening moment I ever had of my life, he does four, three, four rounds of breath work, one minute one, and half two, two and half three. And you hold your breath for those links of period, the time period that I just mentioned.

And we get to the second last round, and I met two, two and half and billing so safe for him. And i'm like, no, i'm going i'm going to like, not fight IT and you could have that anxiety about this, but i'm here. Let's make that happen.

Hold my breath. Two, nine, five minutes. Go bed. That man on the dot, my sister is their timing of the the two of on the dot, he goes and time and my sisters, like SHE anything.

He was two twenty nine point nine and and I was like, this student another level. And if we do that three minutes and I hold my back for three minutes, three feels like thirty seconds IT flies by. I owed my eyes.

And I have just this in same neurotic feeling. I don't know, I was dying. And maybe that's posed to feel you die.

I just insane for feeling. I oh my eyes. I see my sister. I have a camera, man. I've wm. And like this, this feeling of just purity of love, and I just like gratitude, and nothing else mattered.

IT was like, because almost, I was, like, born into this exact moment, and I knew nothing about the universe. And I was just, your supposed to feel, feel is crazy. And that was a very life changing moment.

I've done the breathing a few times since then the parties to get back and do IT um but that the ice back like man's onto something. And I don't know what happened inside my brain, but that was the most content and like happy feeling, like a different type of happy. I was just, I had to share .

that was just clear your mind in a crazy way. If you do some forced breath work, when have breathing? What do you want to call IT? The last time have you ever done IT and passed out?

No, i've seen people.

okay. So i've pushed a little bit hard in a couple of breath. Wk classes in Austin. You sort of come back around and you've got who have the facilitator or is with that hand on your chest out of killing you out, do something with your net.

Maybe it's to do with your nerve here, or or the blood flow here on to show. But I always see the same fucking cat. Every time I do IT, this fucking cat pops up. It's just this face looking at, I don't know.

I want be releasing baby.

Would you are you ever to p IT into a the libro era? I I did. I want .

to everyday.

I haven't.

I'm tried that yet. So psychodeviant I friends that i've done IT um people that are closed my life that I ve done IT no judgment. What's ever cool do everyone for me I feel that I almost have A A little bit of enlighten mindset as is that I feel like i've awakened from reaching a point of peace.

When I left lehigh and twenty eight, I had like spiritual al awaken ing moment where I could not describe IT but I could like, sense your energy and like the most po wm, like you are full like I know I couldn't just I don't know what language I needed to speak IT, but I like you're full you're half you're like I A sound I thought fucking crazy do and the problem was, and I feel like that sort of open my mind and like, well, maybe maybe the mind is is capable of just naturally experiencing all these crazy phenomenon things. And I feel like I also have this this undoubted belief in myself that maybe a psychodeviant would open up for somebody else and like gratitude like that open up. And I ethnic, I have a good base of that. And I don't want to fuck with IT. So that's like .

my mindset of same exactly.

It's like my mind. I am happy. I love my life like beautiful, fian, safe, family's healthy, got a dog, got a house.

Like my life is awesome. I truly am grateful. My fans are amazingly support me. All that stuff.

So it's like one of of the things where it's like if I do this, there's a chance that because there's always if you hear the whole stories of going south and would I think up, everything is good if I find I I don't know maybe but like I also like i've literally never done anything stronger than smoking pot when I was like a teenager, like once, and I never any any brain table. I never told that or never cocaine, nothing at all. I probably will die.

Never doing IT, which i'm fine with, but I just i'm very like protective of where my mind is and the trajectory of how my mind develops naturally and stuff where i'm like I don't need I don't need something to altered of I don't need more. I am already i'm on that right of my own. I don't need that kick. Maybe may be maybe a billion if I took something to crazy shit.

you turn. It's one of those .

things you don't.

anna, rest you just going back to the getting lean thing. There was this news article I saw recently. Youtube is to limit recommendations of certain health and fitness videos to teenagers, including those which may idealize certain body types. IT says thirteen to seventeen old users will still be able to search for a view fitness related content that will not be encouraged into repeated viewing of similar videos youtube says is acting because of concerns that repeater exposure to such material can leave the Young people to develop negative beliefs about themselves. The platform says this will no longer be offered for teens when they can view certain types of content, including videos that compare physical features and idealizes some types of others, videos idealizing specific fitness levels or body weights, videos displaying social aggression in the form of non contact fights and intimidation. Measures were being taken after its youth and families advisory committee found that teens are more likely than adults to form negative beliefs about themselves when seeing repeated messages about ideal standards in content they can sum online.

Would you think that? I think it's very stupid because and if you do watching, I love you guys as a platform. But this is dumb because things like this, okay, fitness, my infants, a teenager to do steroids, let's say, have a video coming out on that by the music videos that are, dude, swing in guns or I don't know, idealizing weird things that like there's always conspiracy behind, like crazy, you music videos and stuff.

And I don't care what that looks like, but that can just as well in find the teenager to go try smoking pie or go hang out with the wrong crowd or something like that. You can be influences by literally anything. And also, I think but I don't think it's going to happen because demand of money that in C P ms in in fitness are are well, they're not the best, but they are probably one of the top that .

not tack of finance there.

I think finance what they are right there. Do like grape below on the .

next so many supplement.

Cpg, exactly. So youtube shooting themselves in the first because there are so much content. That's just good heart.

I want to how much um is derived from thirteen, seventeen year old's age brackets or everyone is going to lie .

about their age and nothing gna change and they're to make new accounts.

I do think you're right.

I think the advertising is way to the way to uh, lucrative and advertising on these videos. I I mean, I get like five million views, one million, five million views in every video. You're going to cut my ads.

Good, good for you. You're going to make no money. I'm going to be going to start .

a patron on yeah yeah. Like the negative beliefs thing seems odd, given that we just went through a body positivity movement that was glorifying people being big. So so not only we glorifying fat people are also now limiting your ability to see people who might actually be fit.

I mean, think about just think about the entire generation mine into yours. You, I was the start of IT with sort of this, my August, then bleeding down, I guess, into the matters fitness. See, sort of my certain type stuff. Now into your era. All of us were brought into this because of youtube.

The weird thing is, is that one I have asked my youtube rap like, I like, please tell me this, this is false and he's like.

so you broke this up.

I always set to you to employees and I like, there's no way this is true, right? I like in a few if IT become sure you need to tell me A S A P um he didn't think it's like real.

He like he said first he said was cap and then I was like, OK what color hat i'm getting a stupid joke and so he says, like he thinks that and I said, that article you just read and i'm like, you sure and he's like, I just I don't know is like I just sounds like I wouldn't be like plausible but hype, atheistic let's IT does this is what going to have in the finish industry. There is going be a huge divide of people that I don't want say that is not intelligent enough, but they're not, let's say, social networking, aware enough to adapt, to be able to bye. There are going to be like, fuck this, i'm going to keep doing, I want and they are just gonna urt themselves that really done .

by people that are thirteen to seventeen watching your videos.

Do you doesn't get bigger? It's getting more, more interesting. He was like kids that I got the grocery store there. Like you see you are tiktok and stuff and i'm like right in my .

video watching.

but it's like one of those things where one I find a hard to believe that will happen. And if IT does, I have the I have the the believability in myself that it's like i'm good, i'll vivid bro how .

you know I don't know how big your um thirteen to seventeen year old fan bases um but I don't know I an interesting it's an interesting chAllenge because I would have been very I would have been very disappointed. I think you know watching youtube in and seeing fitness advice from the internet, it's also it's such Willy language .

you do like jeff nipper like is jeff nito can be evidence .

space lifting saying that it's like.

okay, in every video i'm just to check on to call a doctor and say this is evidence, right? Yes, thank you there. Yeah send in for you again. There's going me there's a rule. There's away around IT.

So I see IT what you've a million videos with runny common yes, I get sad when I see him. okay? I mean, I know he's still got the side of yeah but thing yes but he's also largely man that crippled yeah is IT tough being around him IT was something .

definitely like you get used to at first because I shot five videos with total, some with him, you know and I am I was the Young lady before jim shark and out to be an event with him always loved him.

There's been a few times where it's been like genuinely like I felt I felt very bad in a few times where it's like I completely forget and I think almost he's forgetting he just like having he's just running you know, he's very authentically, which is awesome. I have a blast every time I see uh, the one time where I was like, tamba, this is a kind of brutal like to see because I mean a legend. He was obviously not critical at one point and fully driving and IT was when I was when we were at his gym in taxis in dallas. Metro flex are long ten and the the equipment is so damn congested there and he trains all times. So clearly he like doesn't not mind, but his his inability to manual from just like one area to the next and everybody y's like pause.

exactly. Disabled access.

Yeah, not at all. I was like, horrible set up for him, but like, I really like to be so he feels good. Was like, do you want to help? You want if you need help.

get Patrick.

I don't want to field. I always my biggest thing with anybody ever with I don't care you're fucking doing the rock Johnson or josh mode on the street. I always go into my shooter like meeting people with your sic sba like there's no like no difference because I I I don't want every anyone ever feel like I look at them in a certain way or utilizing over utilizing them and that bothers them. Everyone ever utilizes me whatever. Like, you know, I mean, so I was just he's wrong is the dude, you know, whatever so I anyone I want to push bounds is too far and then one time and last time, we on a boat and where on a yard I was wrong, fuck your just shown dow stairs and was very content and I was like running you wanted think very chill, chill and i'm obviously I don't know what's going through his head and is one of things like, you know, back in the day, maybe he be up front. He was always like a very extravert person still is to a degree but I think one of those things where when you talk to um and you talk to now I ask them you many regrets, any regretted and like what you ve done and he's like.

no no think that's .

true I mean, he tells me his only regret is that he didn't go for seven or eight reps on his eight or pound squad and then he says, yeah body and i'm like, I believe IT but I think maybe you never know .

you know I think you today you know.

I ve heard many things I just I don't .

know yeah but i'd heard that he said, my pain is always made out of time and I take the maximum number of whatever that pain killer is that yes.

super. So a lot of stem cells o and he says with every treat that gets Better and Better and Better .

not good so you know yeah it's IT IT is uncomfortable to see to the and it's so odd as well because you've got jay cutler, who is, as far as I can tell, perfectly functional. We will have feel heat today for healthy again. You've get playing basketball. Yeah, dick around so I think .

that the importance of realizing, I mean, right now I have a slip this in my back and like i'm not able to squat. I don't code if I like gun to my head but like shouting squats, shouting lift all that stuff yeah uh but it's those of things where you know when people say, like careful squad, careful dead lifting, you're going to mess up your need, you back and you like, no, until you wake up and you like, shit, I just, I broke some .

destinations man, back in ese are two things that you just got ta be super, super sensitive with. You know, the end of my hard core fitness career was two bulging desk in my back. And then I just thought, right? Okay, IT took IT. IT was uncomfortable for maybe three or four years for me to realize, okay, you can do what you use to do responsibly. You can do IT, but you just rolling really fix.

I just stop doing things like that.

Uh, so steam girls, big three, that you so you should speak to stew. I about you. I can sure if you'd love to speak you um he is the number one lower book pain specialists on the planet.

He's done a lot of these studies, the original studies at waterloo that much you have sort of backup in science was built on. I get the sense that the field is continuing to progress now, uh, I I haven't spoken to about my stuff in a little while. Tapped into him before I went and did stem cells in many in last, last stem cells.

I did stem cells bioactive eleri or okay, I know them. So columbia, yep. yeah. Making psychologically neutral point enjoyable experience. The services very good, physically very rough.

A really.

So for me, because I got site injection, I had, uh, intra articular into the shoulder capsule, and today there's no anesthetic into the attention above and below the patella, and then into my kellers that I upt red straight into the tendon. So the ones that I got, I got every lumbers faster, joined on my back. I got one introduction, al injection, into one of the budding.

Just one of them was so bad that they could, they wouldn't even prepared to do IT even when they did. But you're under general anesthetic for that. So just to keep you wake up like sweet, that's all being done. But the ones in my and not the one in my shoulder was maybe in eight out of ten page. The one in my knee, i'm bouncing off the bed screaming. The nurse left this nurse's condition that seeing this stuff because it's it's a tiny little tender like that this guy is trying to fit vis cus fluid into yeah and you think at last at least, that's the pain over and dumb with and then the information response comes, yeah and IT is I had to walk like the tin man out of fucking whatever that movie is and I got combined my knees for days.

I was that you know.

already main stelling he was the banter weight or fly weight, whatever the super light weight uh thing in the u fc. He was a champion and he got his wrist done when he said he got his necks in his wrist. So he was my lab part of my clinic partner for the week year.

He his wrist hurts so much he could not pick up a phone. So the weight of a phone was so much that IT caused these pains. The risks means a Turner pain. So basically pretty uncomfortable, but it's a unique category of pain because you know that it's in service of making me Better.

So almost all pain, you put your hand over a flame, and you know that gonna to skin graph, you break your leg and you wonder whether or you're going to, whether be able to walk the same again. But this pain, you, as long you have faith in the doctors, which I did, you go. This is kind of like the suffering that you go through before something great happens on the other side of IT, again, you know, one of the themes today has been the story that you tell yourself, largely determined to your experience of the thing that you're going through.

So the story i'm telling myself is i'm screaming, bouncing off this bed, but there was no fear that wasn't wrapped in terror or worry or anxiety. It's just straight pain. Are I shout, call the doctor a couple of names.

So that was interesting for me. Study girls, big three I did for a long time. I mean, i've done thousands of hours of that one routine that he came up with.

I've done IT around the world. I've done IT on a patent board. I in hotel have in my done IT everyone I can show you um so that helped. And then his main thing is he causes people, advisers, people to keep in neutral by so IT cause its spinal. So the book is uh back mechanic by study um to little bit expense.

It's about fifty sixty box but IT is really good and um in IT what he's advising is don't enter the waste when you need to tie your shoes if your breath in a teeth uh, at the basin most people just hinge from the hips but you can actually support by having one hand to brush your tea. And the other can actually be relieving a little bit of the weight by putting your hand on your thigh or putting your hand on the basin. And he's gotten advice for how you get up and get down off the ground without going into spinal flex. So the whole goal is to just get you back to chill out um but it's a very special do you have a fAllen back attack was IT is slip as where you were locked OK I like .

woke up and just I couldn't .

bend backwards. okay. So if you even going through that, his. Suggested protocol is just so slow and and kind of frustrating, but now I have no pain.

I can sit and stand for as long as I want. I don't add left, but step ups lunches, reverse lunchers walking lunches like press all of that is fine. And sure, I probably could squat if I wanted.

I just think I think I can achieve. I think I can achieve the same games without doing that. So yeah, I I pvt one of the other things as interesting asking you, you've worked out with a variety of non typically fit people like the inmates and gangs members and stuff like that. Yeah, who are some of the sort of secret fastest guys that you ve been around that you wouldn't have thought .

of construction workers.

right?

Dude, I mean, I found this strong as ones that exist. Basically where do .

you find strong construction workers?

You hire a really good producer, right? Uh and on instagram, um they were they do construction and they were four years of nature. Definitely on some sauce, definitely on I O K.

I say another one would be the x convict. I think that's like theo. typical. They work out of time. They were very they're just .

jack big hands on the construction work as I imagine his hands.

you know you know it's really a who is really good strength is like armrests lers, at least their arms like instead of the the sheer strength of David layers hands. I tried to even dave late when he gets some like two hands. You go, do you? You never get anywhere.

Our mussed lers are built different, like their tenders have just like calcified. Probably you from all the scar tissue. E, I did one arms and competition.

I could. I was walking like A T rex for like a week because I couldn't move my arms. And for them two hours and hours and hours. I can imagine what their tends look like.

do does so cool. Jessie James west, ladies and gentleman, dude, and appreciate the heck out of what should people go going to keep up today?

Guys, check out the youtube channel. Jesse James west, and stay relentless. OK, thanks much.

Thank you. rob.

Thank you for having me serious. Ly, we did IT hard. You guys got my check.