8. John List - The Deadly Daddy
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Hello, all our favorite listeners. Welcome to Murder With My Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. I'm the husband. It's Mother's Day today. I want to wish a happy Mother's Day to all of the moms that are in Garrett and I's life, as well as all of the moms that are listening. I think raising a human being is the hardest job out there, so this is for you. Moms!

Okay, so this murder is more well-known than the past murders that we've done on this podcast. But I picked this one because I think Garrett is really going to like it. So that's why I picked this murder. But some of you may know it. Interesting. So...

Oh, first, I just want to give, like our sources, give credit where credit is due. There's an American Justice episode on this. There's a Forensic Files episode on this. I got information from www.newyorktimes.com, murderpedia.org, medium.com, and allthatsinteresting.com. I guess before we start, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who's listening again. Oh, yeah. Thank you. We appreciate it so much. Yeah.

I know we say that over and over, but every single episode we put out, we keep getting listeners and a lot of continued listeners and a lot from places that we don't know people. And so it really means a lot to us that there are strangers out there that are listening to us. It's like a really cool feeling. It is, especially because we're just starting. Yeah. So it's nice to get people that actually want to listen to us.

So this one's for you guys. Oh my gosh. Okay, so to the murder. On May 21st, 1989, a woman in Richmond, Virginia was watching an episode of America's Most Wanted. She was surprised when an age progression sculpture of a man that the authorities were looking for looked strikingly similar to her next door neighbor, Robert Clark.

She called in the tip to the police, confused because her neighbor was a church-going man and a successful accountant. Police arrested her neighbor, Robert Clark, who was in fact the man they were looking for, John List, a husband who 18 years earlier had murdered his mother, his wife, and all three of his children in their New Jersey mansion. This story is the story of the John List murders.

So when you say mansion, do you mean mansion? I mean mansion. Like legit mansion. I mean it's the 80s. Okay. But mansion. Okay. So John Emil List was born on September 17th, 1925 in Bay City, Michigan.

So in some of these stories, they don't include the city, but I'll go through source to source to get the city just in case there's a listener from that city in that state. Just so it's like cool for them if it's or they know the city. Why wouldn't they include the city? I don't know. Because I mean, like when you're trying to condense a murder, it's like, oh, he was born in Michigan. You know, like that's enough. Got it. But I go through source to source really hoping I can find the city so that...

If someone knows about it, it's kind of cool for them. That is kind of cool. So he was the only child to his mother and father, and they were very strict parents. They were devout Lutherans. List and his mother had a very close relationship, and she was known to be kind of controlling over him. List served in the army during World War II, and afterwards he went to school at the University of Michigan and earned a bachelor degree in business administration and a master's degree in accounting. I

I think. Wow. I said, no, I said, wow. Yeah. So I think this goes to show that list was a very hard worker and dedicated to his work. Like that's a hard degree and it's a master's. Yeah. Nonetheless, school, honestly, college, I think any college degree in general, like props. Yeah. Honestly, even if it's not like necessarily a hard degree, right. You're still doing four years of work. Yeah, exactly. So it said that he struggled though, keeping a job after getting his degree due to his lack of social skills. Yeah.

He would bump heads with coworkers and bosses and others called him off putting in the workforce. So he had a hard time keeping a job, even though he was a hard worker. Because he was like a Mr. Know-it-all or? Just his social skills were bad. People said that, yeah, he kind of was enclosed and like didn't agree with people a lot of the time. But I don't know if he necessarily fought with them. He was just like not fun to have at work. Okay.

So he met his wife, Helen, who was already a widow at the time after graduating college. Helen told List pretty soon after they began dating that she was pregnant. This was a big no-no because he was a devout Lutheran. And so he took that very seriously. And so List agreed to marry Helen out of wedlock. Wow. They get married. And soon after, Helen reveals to him that she hadn't actually been pregnant and that she had lied to him.

What? Have you ever watched Glee? Yes. The TV show? You know when she does that and she like fakes it for so long that she puts that fake belly in? Like it's crazy. I like can't even get like imagine that. And I mean obviously Ellen didn't take it as far as putting a fake belly. But still. So I know this is about John but I mean that's pretty messed up of. I think it's messed up. Of her to do. So.

She tells him that, right? And he is like, oh my gosh, but he doesn't want to look stupid because of his religious beliefs and he doesn't want to break his marriage vows. So he stays married to her. Okay. So they actually become for real pregnant this time, very soon after their marriage. And within four years of being married, they had three children.

They were little bunnies. Yeah, they were. They were busting them out. But that's actually, that's tough. I know. I mean, I'm not a woman and I've never given birth. Again, shout out to moms. Couldn't imagine giving birth to three kids in four years. I know. So the children at the time of the incident were Patricia, who was 16, John, who was 15, and Frederick, who was 13. So they were all teenagers at the time of the incident. But...

Flashback to when they had him. The pressure of having a family and being the provider became heavy on List's mental health. He could not hold down a job for the life of him. Like I said earlier, it wasn't his work ethic. Like he was productive, he was a hard worker, he was meticulous, but it's his personality that kept getting him fired job after job.

So eventually, John List, though, lands a really good job as the vice president of a bank in Westfield, New Jersey in 1965. Because of this, List purchased his wife, Helen, her dream home. She had been wanting it forever, and it was an expensive 19-room mansion that was literally the biggest house in the nicest part of town. Wow. The mansion was called Breeze Knoll. And I...

Eventually in my lifetime want to live in a house that has a freaking name. Like how cool is that? Like their house was so well known and big enough that it was like had a name. Like it was the Breeze Knoll Mansion. Breeze Knoll Manor, you know. I just think that's so cool. So he didn't actually have the money for this though. And he had to ask his mother Alma for a loan to buy the house. And she gave it to him under the condition that she could live in the mother-in-law apartment that was on the third floor of the mansion. Hmm.

So not even a year after he gets the vice president job at the bank, List is fired due to personality reasons again. Oh, man. Why didn't the mom just go buy her own house? I know. So I think because she wanted to get taken care of. She was old, like in her 80s. Okay, okay. So the pressure of keeping up the image for his church and his family was his top priority. And so he didn't tell anyone that he had been fired from his vice president job. Instead, he continued to get up every day, put on his work clothes,

and head off to work. In reality, he was just getting on a train and riding back and forth all day until it was time to come home. He continued to look for work in between this due to the financial burdens that this new mansion and that their lifestyle was costing him, but he just would get a job, lose it a week later, get a job, lose it a week later, or not even get the job.

So his life needless to say was falling apart and it makes me feel like something else is going on That he's getting fired this much. It just seems a little fishy to me Yeah, there was not too much detail about why besides that they were saying it was all of his social skills and personality Yeah, I just feel like that's kind of a weird. Oh social skills social skills. Yeah, I don't know But then how do you get the job in the first place? Yeah, exactly You're in the interview what you would you would have noticed those social skills. So anyways, um

List began to steal money from his mother's bank accounts so that he could pay the mortgage on their house. So he's like at his wits end, like trying anything he can do to keep this lifestyle that they have going. By the year 1971, List was completely bankrupt. The problem with this was that List believed that poverty was a sin. It would be a disgrace to admit the state their life was in and he refused to go on welfare or ask for help.

Interesting.

And then there were also rumors going around town that she was interested and had begun to do witchcraft and a little bit of marijuana. But I was like, ooh, witchy sister, I'm a bit. So on top of all this, Liss' wife Helen had also been keeping a secret of her own. She had contracted syphilis from her first husband and hadn't told Liss. So for those who don't know what syphilis is, I'm pretty sure it's an STI. Me too. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's an STI.

Yeah. And it was deteriorating her health bad. Okay. And due to the embarrassment of this, Helen had actually stopped going to church with John. So she was like, just this was getting her down and stuff. So she stopped going to church with John. And so John was like, oh my gosh, like my family is going to hell.

Like he was like, we are living in sin. We're broke. And that's a sin. Like I'm not taking care of my family and that's a sin. And my daughter's a witch and that's a sin. Like other kid wants to do acting. Yeah. And yeah. And so he was just, and my, my wife's not even going to church anymore. And so this was the straw that broke the camel's back. And list was convinced that this was this life that he was living was not good anymore. And it was completely overtaken by sin and he considered suicide, but that was also an unforgivable sin. And so, um,

I don't know how murder isn't, but he justified it in his head that, okay, well, I'll take care of them and then I'll no longer be living in a life of sin. So I have a question real quick. Is there any information about

And kind of their lives? Or were they kind of just left out of everything? They were kind of just left out of it. Like the only... They were popular. Uh-huh. And they had friends and stuff. But that was kind of all that was... Because they weren't super young. No, they were teenagers at this point. Yeah, exactly. But that was kind of all that was included in all of the stuff I found. I'm sure if there was like a first person source, they would...

no more. Okay. John List, being a hard worker and a meticulous man, made a plan that took him months to come up with. He was going to end this humiliation and send his family to heaven so they could stop living in sin. So I think he was like, if I kill them, they'll go to heaven. If they keep living this life they're living, they're all going to go to hell. And there's been parents who have killed for this exact same reason before. That feels so hypocritical. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because, I mean...

They're poor because he's lying about not having a job and not keeping a job. Instead of suicide, he goes, but I'm going to kill my family. I don't know. Yeah. So he went and practiced his shooting skills at a shooting range and even slyly snuck into conversation one night around the dinner table what everyone would want done with their bodies if they were to die. Like, would you want cremated? Would you want buried? What kind of funeral would you want?

Why would he need to go to the shooting range? I'm sorry. I'm just a little confused. Maybe he thought he didn't know how to use a gun. But he was in the war. Was he planning on being like...

300 yards away with the sniper trying to kill his family he's meticulous so he was like i'm not gonna miss i'm gonna so i know so on the morning of november 9th 1971 after the kids went to school list loaded his handguns and went into the kitchen where his wife helen was drinking her morning cup of coffee he talked to her for a little bit and then when her back was turned he walked up behind her and shot her in the side of her head killing her instantly

Oh, man. He put Helen's body on a sleeping bag and dragged her into their glorious ballroom. So like they're in a mansion, an old mansion, remember? So they have this huge ballroom and he drags her in there and like sets her in there. Next, he walks upstairs to the third floor of the mansion where his mom is making her breakfast. He kisses her on the head and then shoots her in the head.

He tries to drag her body down to the ballroom to be with Helen, but it's too heavy and he doesn't get that far, so he just sets her down in the hallway and puts a towel over her face and moves on. He goes back downstairs and cleans up the blood that had amounted so when the kids got home, they weren't, like, stunned that there was this blood all over the floor. He then drafts letters to send to the kids' school about the family vacation they would be leaving for immediately. He went to the post office to mail the letters and stopped the mail delivery to their house. He also stopped their milk delivery.

And also, like, I just want to know why and when we stopped deciding to have our milk delivered. Because, like, how cute. Someone walks up and delivers your milk for the week. Like, isn't that cute? Probably a lot of work. I guess. But, like, why was that such a common thing? And now, like, we don't even hear of it. It was also in, like, glass bottles and stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but couldn't you just deliver it in... I'm sorry for all those that are out there listening that...

A little older than us. You can tell we're kind of millennials. Well, I want someone to deliver my milk. That's all I want in my life. You can Postmates it. Yeah, I guess. There you go. It's the same thing. So after he leaves the post office, he goes to the bank to cash in his mother's savings bond that was like $2,000.

He drove back to Bree's Knoll Manor and made himself a sandwich while waiting for the kids to get home from school. Keep in mind, his wife is in the ballroom on a sleeping bag dead and his mother is upstairs dead in the hallway. This is just...

Once again, how do they move on? How is he even hungry? Like, how are you even hungry enough to eat a sandwich? This seems to happen in all our stories where they make a sandwich or they make food out of their body parts, whatever it is. There's always something weird going on like this. So Patricia, the 16-year-old witch, actually called home saying she was feeling pretty ill. So he goes to the school and picks her up from school early. When they get home, he shoots her in the jaw and drags her body into the ballroom next to her mother's.

This is where it just goes back to...

He's crazy. Yeah. He can do all this stuff and kill every single person in his family and just be like, yeah, it's what it is. John Jr., though, actually struggled. Like he didn't die instantly like the rest of them. And so he shoots him nine more times before he drags him into the ballroom. Nine times? I think he was like making noise, you know? So I think to like end the suffering, he just like panicked.

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John cleaned up the blood that was spilled all over the house and then ate dinner. He washes his dishes and set them to dry and then goes up to his bedroom and goes to sleep with all of his family members dead in his house. John did not. I don't know where his logic was, but that was not the right decision at all. He later admits that he got the best night's sleep that night than he had had in years. And I honestly think it's because the burden of like living this fake life is

Was like off his shoulders. Like I think he genuinely was finally like, oh, like my family's safe and I don't have to keep up this lie. Quote unquote safe. Yes, yes. So he woke up next morning and turned the air conditioning down so the bodies would decompose slower. And then he switched every light on in the house and then turned the radio on over the intercom system to his favorite classical musical station. He did this so people would still think the family was home when he leaves. So that the lights were on and there was like...

music and noise coming from the house. He then took a pair of scissors and cut himself out of every family picture that was in the house and then hung the family picture back up. So at first I thought that this was like because of remorse because like a couple of the sources just said that he did this. Like he didn't want to see himself in the pictures. Yeah so I was like oh he feels like he doesn't you know deserve his family or that his family's moving on without him and so he like cut his picture his picture out. But then it's

It was in one of the sources that John later told people he did this because he didn't want the cops to have any picture to use for his wanted signs. So it wasn't because he was like, I put too much faith in this guy. Yeah. Because like, oh, he has having remorse, but it was actually because he just didn't want to get caught. And I was thinking about it. Like nowadays you just get on Facebook or Instagram and download a picture. But back then, that was the only pictures. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. So then he just grabbed his bags and he walked out the front door, locked it behind him and left forever. Okay. So nearly a month goes by at Bree's Knoll without any word or anything. No one calls the cops. No one suspects anything. It's just the lights are on and everything's normal. So what about her family?

I don't know. I don't know. Didn't say anything about that. Okay. No one like called the check-in on them or anything. Okay. Neighbors thinking that the lists were keeping to themselves because the lights were still on. So they thought they were home.

And they could hear the music at times. And there was no mail or milk piling up like the normal things of like if someone wasn't home. And he'd already sent letters to the school for the kids. Yeah. So he took care of everything to make it so no one would be like. Suspect anything. So the lights one by one begin to burn out.

because they were being left on all the time. And so it leaves only the music playing and the family corpses rotting away in the house. Oh my gosh. It was Patricia's drama teacher who ended up being worried enough to go check in on the family. Patricia had apparently told her teacher that she was worried her dad would kill the whole family because he didn't like his life.

Whoa, weird. Yeah. So then the teacher like got worried enough after a month had gone by and the kids still hadn't come home from vacation. He was like, I'm going to go to the house.

He must have done something to make the family or the kids feel weird. Cause that's interesting. I think he was like slowly unraveling. I mean, you can't keep up a lie. You can't keep doing that. Like, and the pressure of, he legit thought his whole family was going to hell. Yeah. I mean, and he was a devout Lutheran. Like religion was everything to him. I'm sure he was like screaming and yelling at them. Okay. Yeah.

So he goes to the house, the teacher does, and neighbors call the police when they see the teacher wandering around and looking in the windows. Which I'm like, okay, so you don't see anyone at the house for a month.

You hear the same music on like all the time. But as soon as one person comes in your neighborhood and starts peeking in windows, you're like, oh, we got to call the cops. So I'm trying to break in. So the police show up and they knock on the door. They look through the windows and then they're like, nothing's wrong. They're like going to go back. And the neighbors are like, well, we haven't seen them. So can you please like go in the house? Like we haven't seen them. So the cops find an unlocked window and they climb through the window and go inside the house. Here we go. The police are immediately sus.

The house was freezing cold. There was only one light on and there was eerie funeral music playing over the intercom system. Like, can you imagine going in this house? It's freezing cold. You can like kind of slightly smell decomp and the lights are all off, like burned out when they're trying to turn them on. And there's funeral music playing throughout the intercom system in the house. So freaky. It's been a month, right? Yeah. A month.

So when the cops finally get near the ballroom, the smell of decomp is so strong that they're for sure there's dead bodies in the house. And they walk in and they find the family laid out on all the sleeping bags, dead, decomposing. So after searching the rest of the house, they also find John's confession letter that he left the pastor and they find Alma's body upstairs on the third floor.

So the cops put out an APB for List and his car, and they end up finding his car at the John F. Kennedy Airport, but there was no record of him taking a flight. So there's no leads. There's no clues. John List was just gone and had a month to get anywhere under no suspicion. Hey, could have gone to Mexico, could have gone to Europe. The chances of them finding him now were slim to none. Yep. A month had start. So...

The August after the massacre, though, the List home actually caught fire, the mansion. And police think it was arson, but through the wreckage, they actually discover that the glass ceiling in the ballroom was a Tiffany original, making it worth over $100,000 at the time. Whoa. This would have easily paid off all of the bills and at least solved the money issues that List was having.

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That's kind of hard, though. How are you supposed to know that? I know. Right. So the police tried through the years to get more coverage and spread the word like we're looking for this guy. He obviously did it. They followed all the leads that came up about where he might be. But there weren't that many and they never went anywhere.

In 1989, a man named John Walsh, who anyone listening to this podcast that's a true crime person is going to know that name, but you don't know that name. Okay. His six-year-old son, Adam, was murdered, which in turn led John to become a victim's right advocate and the host of America's Most Wanted. Oh. It's a really big case, like a really famous case, and he fought, and now he's the host of America's Most Wanted because his son was murdered. Okay. Yeah.

And he heard about the case. John Walsh heard about the case and he was determined to find this scumbag dad that murdered his family and bring him to justice.

Um, but he told them like he told the cops in order to put this on America's most wanted, we're going to have to have an updated image of him because the case was a long time ago and really cold. Like there's been no evidence since. Yep. And so Walsh got a hold of Frank Bender, who is a forensic sculptor and asked him to contract an age progressed sculpture of John list and

Bender used all the information he had as a forensic anthropologist, but he also reached out to a forensic psychologist to get a profile on John List, which I just think is brilliant. So instead of just looking at the photo and being like age progressing him to what he thinks he would be like 18 years later, he reaches out to a psychologist and is like, hey, will he have a beard or will he not have a beard based on his behavior beforehand?

Will he have gained weight? Will he have lost weight? Will he have done this? Will he have done that? To try to get like the most accurate description of this guy. Some of these gifts and abilities people have blow my mind. Blow my mind. So they use his parents' old pictures to like kind of see what his parents turned out like. And they end up creating a sculpture of who they thought a 60-year-old John List would look like in 1989, 18 years after he murdered his family.

They decided together that John List would be wearing glasses that were very similar to the ones he wore around the time of the murder because that would have been his prime. I still feel like this is, as the police and detectives looking for this guy, it just feels like such a long shot, though. I know. If he's smart enough, you leave the country. Oh, yeah. You don't stay in the U.S. And he had a month head start. Yeah. And he had some money.

Now even longer than a month. Now we're just. It's two grand, which like back in that day is like. You get a flight somewhere. Yeah. A lot of money to go restart. That's interesting. So they're like, this is all they have. I mean, America's most wanted on the TV. This is a way to spread it to the nation in hopes. And also they're just guessing what this guy might be looking like. It's 18 years later. It's not like it's been five years.

You know? So, anyways, they decide that he would be wearing the glasses, the same exact glasses almost that he wore around the time of the murder because he would want to live like in his prime. And so he wouldn't have moved on. He wouldn't, like psychologically, he wouldn't have moved

Got in new glasses. Got it. And so they scour thrift stores around trying to find these, these frames that they're looking for. And they finally find the perfect ones and they put it on the sculpture and then they release the sculpture on America's most wanted. And I'm going to show you the sculpture versus him when they found him. Okay. This is a picture that they took of him and the sculpture. No way. Okay.

That looks like the exact same person. Uh-huh. You, like, can't even tell. Wow. That's so impressive. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So impressive. Yeah. So the America's Most Wanted case aired, and then 11 days later, FBI arrest Robert Clark in Richmond, Virginia. He had a new wife and denied that he was John List, even after they compared his fingerprints and proved that it was him.

Okay. Wow.

First of all, you guys should go look up that picture because... I'll post it on our social media. Oh, yeah. We're going to post it on our Instagram. So go follow us. I'll post the manor. I'll post the picture. Yeah, I'll post all that stuff. So go follow us on our social media, Murder With My Husband, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. So here's some things that he said in interviews after he was caught. He said...

I feel when we get to heaven, we won't worry about these earthly things. They'll either have forgiven me or they won't realize, you know, what happened. Talking about his family. He said, I'm sure that if we recognize each other, that we'll just like each other's company just as we did here when times were better. Dude, he killed your family. Yeah, but he thinks he saved him. Yeah, true. Dr. Stephen Smearing said,

Dr. Stephen Simring, a psychiatrist who examined List after his arrest years later, said his sense of neatness was the result of a compulsive personality. Simring said List showed no evidence of anything that approached genuine remorse, adding, he's a cold, cold man. Yeah, I don't understand how, I guess him having OCD is the reason that, not the reason, but...

So that's why I'm wondering if maybe it was a little bit more. If there's more to it that we just don't know. That we don't understand. Or like I was kind of thinking he just, he, I mean, obviously something was obviously wrong. Most of the time with a killer, there is something wrong. But maybe just the pressure of like lying and stuff was so much that he killed them. And then to use a cop out, he blamed his religion.

Okay, I could see that. Like maybe it was because because why not kill yourself? I mean, it could have been a form of it's hard. I try not to. I think we both trying to talk about this stuff too much. Yeah, we've not doctors. Yes, or mental specialist. But I mean, it could have been a form of maybe depression. Yeah, I mean, depression is obviously 100% real. So. So yeah, I think that maybe it would could have been more selfish than he led on years later after being caught and led on to his pastor. Yeah.

you know, like using God as an excuse to get rid of your family. Maybe he believed it, but maybe it was just something he justified for his own selfish reasons of I'm living a life. I don't want to be living. Either way. He killed his family and I'm glad he got caught. So 18,

later because of America's Most Wanted. What were the chances? Also, why didn't he leave the country? I know. That's what I said earlier. I mean, I obviously knew this was coming. Yeah. Because I could tell he didn't leave the country. Yeah. But, I mean, and he got a new wife. But, I'm kind of glad he didn't leave the country. He killed his family and deserved to be caught. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't... I mean, he never... He pled not guilty. Yeah, so he obviously deserves to be in... Yeah. I mean...

He's not alive anymore, but he deserved to be in jail. Yeah, I don't know. There was, like, no information on his new wife. I guess when they, like, went to arrest him, they went to her house first. And, um...

She was like, oh, he's at work. And so then they went to work, his workplace. So they did get to like meet her and stuff. And I don't know, there's no like information, but I think that would be kind of wild to marry someone and then realize, oh my gosh, 18 years older, 18 years earlier, this guy killed his, he's a family annihilator. Yeah. Like. Uh-huh. No, seriously. It's crazy. Yeah.

That's kind of a short one, but it was just another one of those cut and dry. Yeah. I mean, while he did it, it was more just interesting because of the fact that it was found on America's Most Wanted. I would actually be interested to know. I should have looked up how many people have been caught because of America's Most Wanted. Yeah, that'd be interesting to know. Because, I don't know. It's kind of crazy that we can just watch a TV show and be like, oh, look.

It's the guy that murdered his family 18 years ago because of age-progressed sculpture, too. That's so cool. John Walsh says that the only reason that they caught him was because those guys did such a good job. Because they wouldn't have had an updated picture, and he looked absolutely nothing like he did. Wow, that's crazy. Okay, yeah, well, that's the murder. The John List murders. Crazy. Family annihilator. That's pretty crazy. We...

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