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Welcome back to I Do Part 2. It's Kelly Vansimon, one of your celebrity mentors here on the pod.

On the podcast, I've been having a blast getting to know my fellow mentors and getting to know everyone's personal journeys to finding love. Today, I wanted to bring in one half of our favorite duo on this show, Louise from Thelma and Louise, to talk about dating in the new year.

Hi, Kelly. Thanks for having me. Oh, my God. I'm so excited to talk to you. How's everything? Everything is good. I mean, it's the new year, so just waiting for all those, you know, uniforms and rainbows to drop out of the sky, right? It's fresh and late. So let's get into it. So we're going to talk about our love journeys. We both have...

really interesting love journeys. Actually, let's start with yours. Tell me a little bit about who you are and how you fell in and out of love.

Sure. I live in Los Angeles, and I was hit by a lightning bolt when I met my husband. I knew I was going to marry him. I called my mom up, and I said, I met my husband. And she goes, you're crazy. Go to sleep. You've had too much to drink. That was the height of sex in the city. So I had those, you know, whatever, apple martinis. But

But I will tell you, every time I've ended up dating somebody long term, there's always been some sort of a weird twist. So now I know if I meet somebody and there's no like twist or weirdness or something, it's not my guy. We were married for 14 years.

Um, he has a fabulous moral compass. I think ultimately we were, um, probably better off as friends because we're both killers, quite frankly. Um, fabulous dad, fabulous co-parent. And we do a lot together as a family and I get the best parts of him and none of the bad parts. So it's like, I feel like I'm winning. Do you guys travel together? Yes. And with his fiance. I mean, we travel. Yes. I it's like, you're okay with that.

Yes. It's the greatest situation in the world. He's with all the kids and she and I are having cocktails laughing all day long. We do holidays. Like it's amazing. Seriously. My youngest kid, when my youngest kid left for college, he said to me, mom, I just want to tell you something. I go, I don't have any baggage, emotional baggage. I go, why does you guys did divorce? Amazing. I love that. Oh, I love that. What about you?

So I was married very young to a photographer and I have two gorgeous girls. We got divorced when my girls were young. I just, he wasn't the right tool for the right job. And I just was having like so much anxiety after I had both of my kids. I had really bad postpartum with my first daughter. And I just genuinely realized that

He was fun as an artist and creative. He's incredible. But as a nurturer and provider and partner, he wasn't. And I just was having so much anxiety. And I just got pregnant again. And then the minute I got pregnant again, I was like, we're done. I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't handle it. And interestingly enough, my postpartum was really bad with my first child.

But then for my second, I had no postpartum and I was like, okay, the baby's out. I have these two beautiful girls. It's time for me to go into my new life. I don't know how this is going to work, but I'm going to try. Didn't you kind of look at it like your unknown was going to be better than your known? That's really well said. I had so much fear. And I think that, um,

You know, I had great parents and they were super supportive of me being happy, but very, very concerned about me being single and providing for two kids. And I just felt like the unknown was just fueled and filled with possibility. And the past was just something that I didn't even want to remember anymore.

Not in a, not that he's a bad person, but it's just like, that's just not what I want. I wanted a, I just wanted a family for my family. That's all what I've always said for a thousand years. Just all I want is a family for my family. And do you feel like when you're looking to date, are you looking to create like a Brady Bunch situation to recreate the family that. A thousand percent. Yeah. A thousand percent. Like I'm always looking. So, so people will be like, why are you dating someone that doesn't have kids? I'm like, why? Yeah.

Like, I wouldn't want to do that. I mean, I don't mind. I wouldn't mind. But it would be difficult to date someone that doesn't have children because they I wouldn't be able to talk to them about things that have to do with raising children. They would be like, what? They would be like, you know, and it wouldn't be it would be a disservice to them.

be a disservice to them because they weren't a part of that. So those memories, they weren't a part of. I also think it's a different life experience because a few people I've dated that didn't have children. Cause I kind of arrived at the same place as you. I just think there, I don't want to say the word selfish, but it's like, you're not, it's not selfless, right? Like when you're a parent,

what, you know, everything goes to them first. Like I am last, like I would give them my last dollar to eat. And I think for me, you know, I had a significant relationship with somebody who had quite frankly, never been married, never had kids. And it was just, we just kind of spoke a different, a different language. I think I have the opposite. Like you're looking to create brain image. I have a hard time merging. Like the people I've dated that have kids, I have a hard time merging them.

my children with other kids and creating that. The idea of going on a trip, all of us, it's few and far between. I'm way more comfortable

keeping it separate. Is it that because you have such like a good thing going that your family, you're like, you have like an extended family now? Do you know what I mean? Like, because it's so comfortable? Do you feel like that you would be like, wait, it's not going to be as good as this? No, because I think that's only only in the last few years. I think it was more when I got divorced, my kids were young. And, you know, when I had them, I was like, all in on them. And then I looked at it, like I had to keep her set the time to just

do me and do that, that I got so compartmentalized that it was like two, it was like almost like a Jekyll and a Hyde, right? Like I just couldn't, I never, and then, you know, only one time in the last few years did I even do a couple of those meals with somebody I dated for months.

Close to two years. It wasn't comfortable for me. Now, it could have been a function in my heart. I knew it wasn't the right relationship, so I wasn't going to poison the well with my kids and, for lack of a better word, blow my wad with them and say this was the situation. I think what I've learned now after that, because I've now since learned that they didn't like him, that unless I think I'm going to marry this person and go the distance, I don't really...

want to force that on them, I guess. I don't know. So, right. Your kids are older. So are my kids. So like, what do you, how do you feel about, so for me, like I was a full-time single parent. There was no 50-50. There were no Wednesdays. There were no other weekends. There was no, there was no like schoolwork.

time for me to create a life. It was just with my kids 24-7, and I would never change that. I'm so grateful for that. But they also know they can rely on you. I mean, you're their foundation. Right, right. Yes, thank you for that, and I appreciate that. You know, it was very stressful to raise two girls alone, and

I was around a lot of people. And so I never if there was someone that I that I liked, I would never I wouldn't think like I was having a Super Bowl party. Like I would my kids be there. I would invite them. I wouldn't think twice because I kind of wanted to see how that person navigated my friends and everything. My kids weren't like, oh, is this any boyfriend? Like they never even knew if I if I was dating someone or not.

Yeah. Because I was around so many people all the time. I don't know. I think I was nervous. I was scared of their reaction. I was scared that they, that the person I would finally introduce them to, they wouldn't like. When I think what I've realized is,

They just want me to be happy. They want the person to be a nice person, treat me well, be respectful, you know, keep me safe. But I didn't know. I didn't know that then. Right. So I just kind of shouldered it all on my own and then and all that. But it's hard every day. I mean, they're home. They're going back to school next week and they're like, Mom, are you dating anyone? What's going on? Oh, and then this was the big one that came at me with today. Mom.

according to all the articles today is the super bowl for dating apps this is the biggest day of the year that people sign up for dating apps it's their new year's resolution what's the plan should we work on your profile and i was like it was horrifying i'm terrified to do a dating app i i don't do them do you do dating apps have you done dating apps

I was on Raya from the very beginning. I mean, I've been single for a long time. And so I was on Raya and I never really met anyone that I was like,

Amazing. But my ex-fiance, I met him because my assistant created an account for me. And that's how I met him. So Thelma, to my Louise, I am her Cyrano de Bergerac. And I was like, you need to do this. And she wouldn't. So I was like, I'm doing it for you. So I have done some of her online dating just for like the last two months. We put it on pause because it was just

But the minute I give her phone number out, I call her up and be like, yo, you're going to be getting a call from this guy. Like I'm out now. Take it over. Let us know how we do on our date. So it's been actually a fun, it's been a fun adventure, but yeah,

I don't know. My kids are pretty invested in it now. Are yours, are you dating anyone right now? Oh, you have, I heard your podcast tennis guy. Yes. How's that going? So we're 2025 Louise and there's, there's so much. Okay. So we're talking about dating apps. Today's a super bowl of dating apps. It's wild. Um, but what do I want to know what you want, what you're leaving behind? And then I'll, then I'll tell you.

Um, God, what am I leaving behind so much? Um, I think, I think, I think I need to leave behind, um,

I think I need to be, I don't know. Like, I think I need to be a little bit easier on myself. I think I need to toe the line better between looking for the butterfly, which is probably just a mirror of a childhood wound and really focus on a really good, thoughtful human being companion, nice person. Cause I think our needs are different in our fifties as than when we were twenties, thirties, forties. And I,

I really need to do that. I think I need to, I look, I need to stay more even across the board. I need to find a little more gray, less black and white. And I think that that is a theme that just carries over in all kind of areas of my life. Do you know that future health can help make weight loss resolutions come true when it's about biology and not willpower? It's not your fault that the dieting just doesn't work. Find out if weight loss meds are right for you in just three minutes.

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I have been so black and white, um, with like work and laser focused and you know, what I want, what I'm going to do and how I'm going to do it and how I'm going to make money and doing this and doing that. Um, and one of my other co-hosts who I love Cheryl, like we always talk about like how busy we are and how great we are at being busy because like being busy is just kind of like taking away like the hurt, the feet, the, the feelings, um,

The feelings of like what we're how we are feeling, not just how we're feeling about other things, but how we are internalizing everything. And so I really just want to like be more confident and working with Amy and Heather and Cheryl and, you know, Jana and everybody. I've been so I have switched. I have become literally and I know this is strange, but

I have literally become a different person. Tell me. I just am so different. I'm just so more relaxed. I listen to people a lot more. I'm not like so eager to get my point across. I kind of want to hear what they're doing and, you know, what tools they have in their tool belt versus like hearing about mine all the time. I think that just to like outside of like my relationships, like,

I just had such PTSD from being on Housewives. And I was always trying to tell people like, this is who I am. I'm great. I'm, I'm this, I'm, I'm really nice person. I'm, I'm philanthropic. I'm kind, I'm a good mother. And I was constantly telling people. And so this year is my year of just kind of listening and sitting back and just being more open to what other people are doing. I mean, I, you know, like, even like with you, like, I want to know, like,

you know, are you going to meet a guy, a celebrity on Raya? Like, are you going to go on Raya? Like, what are your, I want to know what people are doing and how they're doing it versus me just always telling people. So it seems like you have more confidence and sense of self. Maybe that's what all this has come from. Cause I'm working on it.

that's what I think we all need to work on that's my my point of bringing it up is I think we all need to just get comfortable with our own um you know selves kind of warts and all right like being authentic and vulnerable and all of that stuff and I think that that's you know I I think I do a good job of putting a confident um face on every day but I think on the inside like I can feel pretty small sometimes I can question myself and feel pretty lonely and sad and like

how did I end up this way? And then I'll be like, no, like, look what I've, I have to like have self-talk, like look what I've accomplished. Like, but I think for me, you know, I don't know. Like, I think I've, I'm,

I'm a little, I guess I'm disappointed that I haven't found my person in the nine years. I mean, I think you and I have been divorced around the same amount of time and a lot of different experiences and dating and stuff, but I just don't know. Like I, I, I think I have a fear that I'm going to just end up alone, which I don't want that. I, you know what? It's interesting that I had that fear for a long time and I,

For some reason, and I don't know why, I just don't feel like that anymore. I feel like I am such, I feel like such a different person and the way that people are responding to me is so different. And I,

I'm just, I'm just open to all possibilities. I just, I don't want to, I don't want to like say like, I don't want to put out that I'm afraid. I don't want to put out that I, you know, I don't want to put out anything that's negative. I've put out that I've just constantly put out negativity. And I just want to say that,

I'm just saying no. You know, I was saying no for so long and now I'm just saying yes. And I'm being more open. And I know that sounds like so simple. I say, yes. I mean, I think they say like, you just have to, you know, we have to raise our vibration and emit a positive vibration and it comes back to us. Right. Like,

So if you smile at somebody or whatever, it's just like you're giving off a different energy. Well, so interesting what you said, because I'm a smiler. So I'll walk down the street and I'll be like, I'm a smiler. I just am a smiley person. I don't know like why. I mean, I live in New York and people are not smiley. So I'm always like smiling. People look at me like, what is wrong with her? And I,

It's interesting because just because I smile doesn't mean like I'm not in like a lot of pain. But I was thinking about that in yoga today. It was so funny because I was like, I was kind of feeling blah, to be totally honest with you. And I was looking around the room and I was like, I think people would look at me and my down dog and think like,

Probably I'm fine. Right. You don't know a person just when you kind of look at them from distance. I was like, how many people in this room feeling kind of shitty today? Right. Like, I don't know. It was just an interesting thing that you're saying that like this, you know, like the smile on the exterior is masking the interior. And you hear of all these bad things that are happening lately. And you're like, oh, like, we don't really know what's going on.

behind somebody's face or behind closed doors. How do you deal with rejection? So hold on, wait, that's, that's an interesting, I'll answer the rejection thing, but that's interesting that you say that because I was at dinner with a friend of mine who's a man and he, and I said to him, I'm like, why are these women? Like, do they look at me with like such a weird look all the time? And how come they're like, not nice to me? And he goes, because you're always smiling. And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, you just make things look so easy. And I'm like, wait a minute.

I didn't have all this money. I made my own money. I created my possibilities for myself. No one gave me anything. And here, a lot of these women have a lot of money from their exes. And I was like, so hold on. Let me get this straight.

I'm not like, because I'm not wearing my war wounds. No, they're just jealous or they have their own stuff going on, Kelly. Like, I think somebody who's smiling is so engaging and they're so like, it just attracts people. It's like your aura is warm. Like the second I got on with you, it was like literally

literally like bees to honey. It was like just so easy to connect and talk to you. Like so easy. Like certain people make you feel comfortable that you can chat or you can, you know, my barometer is if I can sit in silence with somebody and be comfortable and not have to fill the air with conversation. And I think you actually give off a really warm, very real energy. I don't agree with him, your friend. Maybe he's in love with you and he doesn't want you to smile and attract people. Oh,

All right. Let's talk about dating. What are you going to do? Okay. So are you going to go on a dating app or are you just going to like hide behind your friends? Well, so I'm lucky in that. No, but I'm lucky in that, you know, I wouldn't want my circle to have been divorced and experienced that, but I would say I have like a lot of best friends who are divorced also. So we have like this, like kind of,

girl posse, which is fine. We do our girl trips. We do, you know, our dinners. Like we have like a crew. The hard thing is, is in LA, I don't know how it is in New York. It's like, you don't really meet people when you're out. Right. We sit at a girl table. No guys approaching a table of five girls. It just doesn't happen. Right. I mean,

It just, I mean, your best case scenario is to go to like, you know, bald hair after a golf tournament and hope for the best, you know, in the bar area. It's like the red onion for this generation. Oh my God. So Louise, I have to tell you this flirting tip that Countess Luan gave me. So basically when you're at a table with a group of women having a great time or one of your, the nights that you go out,

What you do is that you can either drop a napkin or you can, she said, send a drink over. I would never do that. But you can send a drink over to somebody or you can write them a note. Hi, can I borrow your pen for a second? And write a note and be like, hey, the smoke show was shaking.

- Aloha, that's your word. - Aloha! - Can you do that? Like I'm so scared of rejection. Like I've got to get a thicker skin with that. - If I were with you and I saw the guy that you liked, I'd be like, let's get that piece of pen. - Well wait man, that's easy. - But I wouldn't do it on my own. I wouldn't like sit there and be like, I'm not gonna drop an app. But Luann does that.

She does that. I could wing woman for you. No, no. She's got serious, serious game. She's like, what are you doing? She's like, if I had your, she said to me, she goes, if I had your body, I'd be having sex every day. I'm like, what?

You are having fun. Okay, so we need to challenge ourselves. So you're asking about January. We need to have an accountability chart and do those things. I mean, we really, that's really what we need to do. Like I know people that will go sit at a restaurant and a bar by themselves. They meet a million people. No, so what you do is you use the waiter to send the note to the guy. So you say, cuckoo, come over here. And then you're like, I wrote this little note. Dear Smoke Show, how are you?

But what if they reject you? How do you handle rejection? I mean, imagine if you sent a note over or like asked a guy if he wanted a glass, you know, if you want a glass of wine and he's like married. Oh my, well, by the way, I guess they just reject the waiter. So it doesn't matter who cares, but like, Oh my God. Is it easy to meet people? Yeah.

Is it easy to meet people in New York out when you go out with your friends? In New York? Are you kidding me? You're sitting at places and people aren't even, people like, people like look through you. I'm like, hello. Oh my God. I was just on a girl's trip in New York. It was so, I feel like there's a million more guys in New York.

You probably feel that way about LA. Well, I think that's the thing. I think it's like, because me, I like going to these restaurants and I'm like, okay, I'm here all the time. People are not looking at me and maybe, and that's, you know, it's like you were saying before about maybe that's a good tip is that when you do go into a place that you typically go to, you know, kind of like throw your shoulders back and be like, it's the new girl in town versus like, oh, I come here all the time. Do you know what I mean?

so that you give off that new energy. Like you're always talking about like having, you know, switching your energy and maybe that's what you do. Maybe you're just like, no, I'm not going to be like the everyday girl. I'm going to be like the new girl. Okay, let's each just challenge each other to do something new with dating. So let's come up with a challenge. What's yours? Well, I think I'm going to have to take a play out of your friend's playbook and drop the napkin with the note. We can combine the action. ♪

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the room. And so you really have to think about what is it I want to display. You don't plant a garden and then just walk away and expect it to thrive. You are in there pulling out the weeds. You're pruning it. You're watering it. It's the same thing with your network. You should always be in there actively managing your network. If you don't feel confident to say a number, even admitting that to a recruiter is going to be far better than saying, well, what is your budget for the role? A

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Okay, so Louise, I want you to try. So we're challenging each other. I love it. So this is the game. I'm challenging you to do something and you're challenging me to do something in the dating world. So I'm going to take the tip out of Countess Luanne's playbook and I want you to, tomorrow and this week,

Wherever you go, even if it's during the day, like it doesn't have to be at night. It could be like at your coffee place or after yoga and like maybe give it to like the coffee guy and be like, hey, this guy's really hot. Can you give it?

Maybe write the note before. Write the note before. Write the note on one of your cards, not your business cards, but like a card or paper. And bring it in my clutch and just have it ready. And if you see a hot guy, give it to whomever, the waiter, whatever. Have it prepared. And like. I should just give it to any guy and really immersion therapy and really challenge myself, right? Hey!

Okay. No, not you. You can't do it. You have to give it to a waiter or to someone else. I know, but I'll have it all ready. Okay. Have it ready, though. Have it ready. Have two. Here's your challenge. Oh, my God. You need to go to a place in New York you don't ever go to, and you need to sit at the bar by yourself, and you need to have a conversation with a man. Okay. Okay, well, hold on. So...

Was it last week or the week before, which is something I would literally, and I'm not, I don't really like the word never, but I'm telling you, never do I sit at a bar by myself. I will stand and wait. On your phone. On my phone, in the corner, pretending I'm talking to whomever, like outside versus sitting at a bar by myself. Like, it's like, I'm like, oh my God, I just would like this. I'll freak out. And yeah,

I went to, I was supposed to, I was seeing this guy in New York and I was away in LA and I came back from Jingle Ball and we were supposed to like walk around and do all this Christmas shopping and stuff. And he was like busy sleeping. So I was like, you know what? If you're busy sleeping, I'm just gonna go. My daughters were doing their thing and I just went to St. Ambrose and I sat at the bar and I was chatting with all these different people and I was like loving life. Yeah.

You know what? Somebody told me really good advice. I didn't talk to a man. I was talking to like everybody, but not to a man specifically. So I don't know where I heard this. It could have been you, but it was a good idea. So if you're about to go to like, let's say you have a friend's birthday dinner and it's at seven o'clock, you should go to the restaurant early at like 630.

And then you should, whatever the challenge is, force yourself to sit at the bar, talk to a guy, drop, give a napkin to a waiter, whatever. And then if it's like a crash and burn, you already know that it was a 30 minute, you know, kind of quick window. And then you sit at your girl's dinner anyways. That's the move. That's that is the move because you have something to do. You're not just sitting there waiting around. And then you don't feel like a total loser. Right. And then you don't go home and you're like, well, I

But Kelly, I heard you're being set up from your lovely producers and I love to be set up. It is my favorite thing. So how is Mr. Tennis and what is going on? I know you guys heard the podcast. You had the first phone call. So where are we at? Are you excited? I am so excited. So he's coming this

Before he's going to work. And then we're going to spend the weekend doing fun stuff in New York. You're going to spend the whole week. Is he staying in a hotel? Yeah, of course. And then in Manhattan. Okay. And do you guys have like, okay, can I ask a logistical question? Yes. Are you making all the reservations? Cause it's your town or is it on him to be the trigger puller? So,

So that's a really good question. He was kind of like asking me things like, what do you like to do? And he's like, one thing that I really want to do is I want to go and have a bourbon at like a really vibey place in New York, like a cool, like a library bar. I'm like, that's cool. That's cool. That's very cool. I was like, I'm like, I don't drink bourbon. So I'm like, I will be. But I thought that was really cool. And I love that kind of like,

just vibe just sounded like very warm and fun and like still like in the winter and cozy yeah winter cozy exactly so I love that um and then he was like telling me stuff and it asked he like sent me sending me places that he liked and then I my daughter was actually I she was she was sitting at the table and she was like mom what is what's going on I was like oh like

I'm going out with this guy named Mr. Tennis this week and he's giving me places to go. I'm like, um, first of all, you have to go to a KYU. Then you have to go to Temple Bar. Then you have to do this. And I was like, um, okay. Oh my God. That is the funniest. I was like, I need a place for bourbon. And she's like, I got it. Just go on TikTok. I know. We can find everything on TikTok. You know what's interesting though for him? It's like you kind of have to feel bad, right? It's like he's nervous. Like he wants to...

You know, he's coming to your area, but yet he wants to be a man and come up with good, good suggestion. It's like an interesting thing. And he doesn't like, there's nothing worse than when you're going out with somebody and they like pick a place and you're like, Hmm. Okay. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I love, yeah. But you know what? I also like to your point, like, am I picking stuff? So I was like, I'm not going to pick places for him because I,

let him have fun with that. Do you know what I mean? Like he's from, he's not, he traveled, he comes here a lot. So like, let him like have fun with that. But I was like, the one thing that I really wanted him to do. And I said, would, I think you should play tennis while you're here. Like you're going to be here for three days, one day you're working. And then two days you're hanging out with me. But like, I really want you to play tennis. Cause it's something that you love to do. And I want to watch you. And so at Vanderbilt at, in, um,

And it's called Vanderbilt. And it's this private, it's not a private, it's just a small one course tennis, tennis court. It's one tennis court. It's in Vanderbilt. It's in, it's on 42nd street and it's so bougie and so cool and so unique. And I was like, that'd be so fun for him.

And I could be his... I could, like, hit balls to him. But it will make him so... You'll, like, actually love watching him because if he's, like, super hot on the tennis court, you'll get, like, totally even more into him, right? And I just want him to do something that makes him feel good. I mean, I really appreciate the fact that he's coming, but I also want to do something for him that shows that I...

You know, I'm interested in him and I want him to be happy too. So question for you. Is that good or is that weird? No, I think it's really awesome. But let's assume it's going to be like amazing and you're going to be sick. But what happens if on day two of his three-day trip, you're like just not that into it?

What do you do? We talk a lot. We talk on the phone a lot. So you already have a connection you feel. Yeah, we talk and we get along so well. Like we just get along really, really well. That's amazing. I mean, setups truly are the best because A, you have a little intel of somebody. You're already like kind of connecting. It's like a hometown pro. So it feels great.

safe and I don't know, a little more familiar. So it sounds like you guys are building a bit of a foundation already. So when you see him, it's just going to be like, like probably you'll give him a kiss. Hello. Not like a, just like a perfunctory like hug or something. Wait, but you know what also it is? He's a PLU. So PLU is people like you.

Oh, I like that. I don't know. I've never heard that. So a PLU could be a lot of different things. But for me, a PLU is like people that are like me, that are interested, curious, you know, good parents, good friends, like you said, strong moral compass. You know, that's a PLU. I mean, you can meet a lot of people that are not.

Kelly, you should start a dating app called PLU. And unless you're a PLU, you cannot be a part of this dating app. We got to limit this pool better, right? Right. Everyone wants to make it bigger. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you're not a PLU, no. You know what? I think divorce attorneys as a side gig should start matchmaking. A thousand percent. I think you guys, I'm excited to hear about it on your, I guess that podcast, which we'll talk about like the kind of postmortem of this weekend. What if this is...

What if this happened? I mean, wouldn't this be amazing? What if he kisses me? I have a good feeling. He's, I have a good feeling. He sounds like he's a good human being. He's passionate. What happens? You created a connection. You've been talking to guys flying, you know, 3000 miles to see you when you see him, like, do you just give him a little handshake or do you give him like a kiss? Hello. Like what's the kind of, what do you think is going to happen when you see him? I think, I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to kiss him and be like,

You know, I probably will like... We're not going to throw your tongue down his throat. I probably give you a kiss on the cheek. Are you going to see each other first in the daytime or the nighttime? I think it's going to be the nighttime because he has to be at work. So I think it'll be like... Okay, so liquid courage will be coming soon. Yeah. So I'll probably just like hug him.

Because I just, I don't know. I'm like, just, I like, just, I like think he's so great. I think he's so great that when I text other guys, I'm like, I'm boring. Are you, wow. This, I am really crossing my fingers for you. And you know, there's a concept called, do you know this concept of driftwood? Do you know who Gabby Bernstein is? You asked me this before and I do not, do not. This is my favorite concept. And I'm going to look at this. Your situation is my driftwood. Okay. Concept of driftwood.

You are being set up with somebody. You're excited. It's good. You're talking. He's flying in and I'm sitting here and I'm looking at it like, Oh, it's about to happen for me too. Instead of looking at it like, Oh, why isn't it happening for me? I'm looking at it like I'm next.

I mean, for all I know, Kelly, you might have somebody for me. Exactly. Well, that's the whole point about like, you know, friends setting up friends. And yes. OK. You know, people are like, oh, you can go on these dating apps and all this stuff. And like there's this big pool of people. But, you know, I think it's really, really important to set people up. And like we were saying, recycle.

And you said, like we said, you went out with him, you went on a date with him. And I was asking, I was asking, like, what were your thoughts? It's important to recycle men because one woman's trash could be another woman's treasure.

Okay. So you went on a date with Mr. Ten. Yes, I did. He's not trash. He's a treasure. He's not. Oh my God. I'm just kidding. No, no. I'm just, we're just, cause like before that it was like trash and treasure. I'm like, no, no, no. He's a really stellar human. Awesome. I'm going to tell you, first of all, I want you to know one thing. And when you sit down,

It was so many, it was five years ago, but let me just tell you one thing. He has the best style. His style was beautiful. We went to dinner. He was wearing this like gorgeous cashmere, like kind of shawl, like cardigan. He smelled really good. He's got a great body. Obviously he's in tennis stud. He is a great dad. To be honest with you, what happened was when, when we got set up, I

I had just gotten out of a relationship and I was a little sad. And I think that was, that's kind of hard to switch gears. And it was particularly hard for me. And he, this is five, six years ago. He had little kids in car seats and I don't know how old his kids are now, but I wasn't, I wasn't looking for that. I just think the timing was off, but he's, and he's very close to his family. And so I think that great dad close to his family,

warm, friendly, amazing style. I want you to report back to me on it because he had probably one of the better senses of style of any guy I'd ever gone out with. I love that because I like, I worked in fashion for so long. No, I know. You're going to appreciate it. I love that. Actually, that makes me very, very happy because there's so many

There's so many guys that I literally, that sounds awful, so many guys. But the guys in the past that I've dated, I definitely have to have given them a little amp up. And that's easy. I mean, that's so easy to do. It is, but it's also kind of like makes me like, I feel badly that I'm like, can you put that jacket on? I'm like, what should I wear? I'm like, can you wear that jacket with that shirt? I know what to wear. I'm like, please wear the shirt. Yeah.

Then what are you looking for? What are you looking for? Okay. I am looking for, cause if I'm going to set you up, like I need to know. I love that. Okay. Most importantly, I'm looking for what I call my park bench.

the person who makes me feel safe and the person who I can sit next to talking a mile a minute or quiet with a $3 coffee in my hand, looking at the birds happiest to be that there is nowhere else I want to be. They need to be funny. I have to laugh. I'm funny. I'm super self-deprecating. They need to be kind. They cannot have cheated on their wives. That to me is a total deal breaker. Yeah. Um,

Confident, sophisticated, intelligent, fabulous father, close to his family, talks politely about his ex-wife. You're like a unicorn. Do you have one? Let me pull it out. Let me tell you something. I was just in Sun Valley and I walked into, I always ask for signs from the universe. And I said, universe, show me a unicorn that 2025 is going to be amazing. And I walked into this vintage store and there was this big,

grass unicorn and it was for sale and I was like oh my god so I bought it it should be arriving any day this week I'm just gonna go right on my night table but yes I am looking for a unicorn I started doing that ever since I first met I like write it down in my notes I do like I'll ask for something and I'll wait did I teach you about this yes you taught me that and I've done it and it's it's true

It's true. It's true. My friends, you have to come up with the most obscure signs. And my friend was like, show me a Minnie Mouse that my ex, she's going through a divorce. My ex-husband is thinking about me. And everywhere she turned out of the blue, like a friend of ours was sending a picture of her kids and the kid was in Minnie Mouse sweatpants. And my friend was like, oh my God. And the more you do it, the more in tune you are with the universe. It's like actually really fun. It's like a fun game. I love that. You don't feel like you're alone, which is cool. Right.

Okay, so you want a unicorn. Perfect. Park bench. Okay.

I want nice, honest, funny, confident. You know, I need somebody. I don't need to be with somebody. I want to be with the right person. Right. So it's like, I don't need somebody to pay my bills. I don't need somebody to pay my kids bills. I don't need somebody to fill my dance card. I have, you know, I have friends, I have family here. I love to stay home and read a book. Like it really, you know, it's, it's gotta be totally additive to my life or it just doesn't, I don't, I'm not going to fit a square peg into a rand hole. I'd rather be the right situation. So, um,

I went on a date with this guy and there was a matchmaker and she said to me, are you too busy to date? Are you too busy to date? No, I'm actually not. And when I was turning 50, this was two years ago, I woke up on January 1st, my birthday's in April. And I was like, this is going to be my year. I'm going to treat it like a job. And I was like, I'm going to figure out a way to go on a date or two a week. And I did it.

And I don't think I'm too busy. Like if the right situation presented itself, my hurdle is, is I say yes to everything. Right. I mean, a hundred percent. Like I love meeting people, talking to them. Like I can, I love to talk to people and get to know people, whether they're my person or not. It's a different story. I don't think I'm too busy. I think I just need to put myself into different situations to open up more avenues. Like dating.

So, okay, so if you're looking for different avenues, okay, we talked about Luann and our, like, waiter thing, which is... That tip is amazing. It makes me laugh so much. Oh, my God, I'm dead. But, okay, so we're, like...

So outside of going to bars and stuff like that, I think we need to go to airports. We could sit at airports. I think, you know, like we should, I think you and I could do like a fun little adventure where it's like, we just go, I think you should come to LA. I go to New York. Then we go sit at different airports and we fly to Atlanta and sit at a bar there at a hotel. A hotel bars are the way to go. Let me tell you. Wait, what about long distance? What are your thoughts on long distance?

God. Okay. Well, I used to think it was great. And then I was, you know, like I recently gone out with a guy from San Francisco and he flew down and I was like, okay, that's, that's fine. Hour, whatever, maybe two hours or whatever. But I would love to date a guy in like New York or on the East coast, because quite frankly, I,

You know, I would like to, I'd love to have the opportunity to live elsewhere for chunks of time. I work full time here. Luckily I have an assistant. I live in a situation which is lock and leave. I am totally okay with long distance. Genuinely. I think it would be fun to live in New York for a month and then fun to have him be here for a month. My kids are, you know, gone. They're in college. One's about to graduate. One's a sophomore. Um,

Who knows where one's going to be in Nashville? Like who knows? So I would totally do long distance. And I actually think I would love to spend time in a different city, meeting new people. I grew up in LA. I know it. I'm done with that. What about you? Yeah. I'm open to anything now because again, like you and I are similar where our kids are older and I'm just open to anything.

I mean, I have to, you know, I have to actually move because I am, you know, I'm one of my clients. I'm living in his apartment. I'm renting his apartment and he wants to sell it. And I'm like, OK, now I have to get up and move because.

Um, and I could just do anything and go anywhere. And I mean, I was even thinking like, I know that sounds like that far, but I was like, maybe I'll even move uptown. I've never lived uptown before, or I could literally just do anything I want. Um, I mean, it'd probably be difficult for me to leave my kids to like leave the state. Um, but like, I mean, you know, I was thinking maybe I should move to Florida or maybe I should go to Texas for a little bit. I had work in Texas. And so I'm just, I'm,

I've never been open to moving or being away from my kids, even though they were in college. I was like, they have to have a family home. They have to have structure. They have to have comfort. They have to know that I'm reliable and I'm there for them all the time. But now they're just being nice to me because they're like, mom, we're sad. We don't want you to be sad.

Well, like me, I think they worry about me. So I always tell my kids home is the people, not the structure. So I think that they've never been attached to an actual place. It's more about the people, which which is great. I think that do you remember the movie? Because you and I think are similar age. Remember the movie Sliding Doors with Gwyneth Paltrow?

Oh, Kelly, you've got to watch this. Wait, who else is in it? It's some British actor. But the point of the movie is, which is how I'm choosing to look at my life now is sliding doors, right? And back in the day, I used to probably make more impulsive decisions, not looking at the entire chessboard saying, well, if I do this,

And I, for example, when I was graduating college, I went to Berkeley. I had this big plan. I wanted to spend the first five years post-college and I wanted to live one year each in a different five cities, choose five cities, New York, London, Dallas, whatever it was.

Because I was like, if I came straight back to LA, I knew I was going to never leave. Right. And I really wanted to drink their coffee. I had no idea what I wanted to do. So I got a job in New York and I was supposed to start in August of 94 in an entertainment company. And I came home that such an idiot. I came home that summer to LA and I like met a guy and was like, this is my guy. Like I'm not moving to New York. And I never did. And it's the single biggest regret of my life.

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You know, you're smart, you're interesting, you're engaging, you're insightful. Like you just you think differently, a little bit differently than me. But we are we're in the same scope of possibility in our thought process, which I love about you.

But like, if I didn't know Amy, I wouldn't know you. So how, you know, how do you meet other friends that are interested in the same things when they're, when you don't, like when we're younger, we have all these, you know, the play groups and the parents and like, you meet all these people and you're like, the common denominator is your kids. But now it's like, I don't have a common denominator. Or if I meet someone, they're like, oh, you're single. And I'm like, well, yeah, I'm single. They're like, oh, like, it's like a bad thing. I'm like, oh my God. You know, it's funny. Yeah.

haven't had to be honest with you. I haven't had that. I don't, I haven't had that. I haven't had that experience with, with, I, I love my girlfriends so much and I have such a great kind of

posse of friends. And I just love, I don't know, like I actually love collecting amazing friends. I will tell you that. You're open to new friendships. I'm very open to new friendships and I'm a really, look, I might not be a lot of things, right? But I know I'm a really good friend and I'm really loyal and I'm super like,

dependable. Like I love my friend. I'm a giver. I'm not a taker. So for me, making friends has never been a challenge for me. I've had, you know, friends since I was, you know, like two years old, I have a hard time being more connectable to men, to be honest with you. And so for me, like I meet you back to me asking you, like, if you're too busy and maybe that's, so maybe it's not, maybe, maybe I have to rephrase the question. Like,

Because it's, you know, just from, you know, listening to you, you obviously are so proficient in so many things. You know, you are, you're like perfect in so many ways. You are. But does that, but what about for men? Like how, how do they, how did they come into, into play? Like, you know, what void can they fill for you outside of being your, your, your, you know, you said you were like your park bench, right?

But they're, they have to be, they need more than that than to be just be your park bench. They need to feel wanted and needed. And if you have, if you're this, you know, I think you're right, Kelly. I think that's my issue. You're a go-getter. You're beautiful. I'm super self-sufficient. I'm super self-sufficient. And I think that for a lot of men, you know, probably similar with you, like, you know, you've kind of done it on your own. You're self-sufficient. Yeah.

But you're also really, really beautiful. So it's like a lot of women are self-sufficient, but they're not so beautiful. So it's like they are more, maybe they're more insecure because they're not, you know, they're not, they don't look like you. I mean, probably walk down the street and guys are like, holy sugar, who's that? Thank you. So how do they, but no, I'm just, I'm asking, like, so how, like,

What can you do to be more open? Like you said, the gray, be more open to allowing these men to see like who you are too. I mean, that's what I've been doing. I need to be a little more dependent, not independent. I need to learn to be a little softer.

I think I need to learn to ask for help more. I think I need to, you know, when I'm on a date, I tend to ask a lot of questions and deflect the off of me. And sometimes when I go on a date now, I like sit on my hands and be like,

Louise, stop asking so many questions. Like, let them ask you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think it's just a default, right? It comes from stuff in my childhood. I think it's also generally, like, because you're really smart. So you're, like, asking questions and you probably know the answer to most of the questions that you're asking, which is there's nothing. It's amazing, by the way.

But one thing that I've learned in the past couple of months is not, and people are calling it trauma bond, but I don't think, I don't like trauma bond. Like, I don't need to say to you, I got divorced and my ex-husband did this and I've been doing all these things and my life is so bad. How bad is your life? Like, that's not how I want to connect with you. I want to connect with you in ways like,

I know who you are. I know who your friends are. Let's talk about like, you know, solutions, tricks, fun things to do together. But at the end of the day, like the solutions that are, that we are coming to, um,

At this time of our life, like that's really, really what's super important to me. And this podcast has been so crucial because it's opened me up to, again, like listening to be vulnerable to before my fear.

I had so much fear, but the way that it was projected was like this over self-confidence, which was the opposite. I was literally like crawling inside. You and I are the same person. I'd be grinding my teeth at night. My dentist is like, um,

what are you doing? I'm like, I don't know. She's like, you're grinding. You're literally grinding your teeth down. I'm like, because I'm like a nervous wreck. That's me. That's me too. And you and I are super, super, I'm just like the blonde version of you. We're super, super similar. And I think we have the same lessons to learn. And I think that we're learning them every day and we're going to be presented with different people to teach us those lessons, right? Like every relationship I have has taught me something more about myself or made me be more vulnerable. Yeah.

I have something. So now we have a second challenge. Okay. So the first challenge is like what we're going to do is for something that's fun to meet new people, which I love that. But why don't, what about our second challenge could be something that's, we, we did something this week that made us extremely vulnerable, put us in it, like in a super, super awkward position. I want to, I want to do that. Okay. So what are your ideas? What are your ideas? Yes.

I need to think about it. See, my kids are here one more week and then they're leaving on Sunday. So I've kind of, because they just got back from being gone with their dad for two weeks. So like my whole week is like that. I just want to focus on that. It could be like a 10 minute thing. It's not like. No, it's going. Yeah. Like on your way to yoga or something like.

I don't know. Just something that would put you in a vulnerable position. There was a guy. Not dangerous. I'm not asking you to like. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I had dated a really nice guy and we broke up in October and he was a good guy. And I'm like, part of me is like, did I fuck up? But he was a really good guy. And he had texted me over Christmas and he's like, let's have dinner in January. And I was like, yeah, totally. I think I'll reach out. I'll reach out to him this week and see if he wants to have dinner. Oh, you don't have to have dinner. Why can't you just go for a coffee? Or a drink or a coffee. But like, I think I should do. Yeah. Just have a coffee. And by the way, don't do the dinner. Don't do the dinner. Oh, sorry.

So one of my producers, she told the Starbucks barista about her breakup. So it's okay to be open. And I think it's interesting. Listen, whatever happens with this guy, I think it's good to also have conversations. I'm the kind of person, I'm so black and white, and maybe that's because I'm like, I'm a super mom. I'm going to protect my family. I can do it all. Here's my cape. Okay.

And so what I do is I'm like, if I don't like what you do, I'm like, you're done. And I just, I just remove you. Oh, you and I are so similar. Do you look back in the rear view mirror? If I see somebody, if I see you in the street, I'll be like, hi, I have zero interest in calling you. I have zero. They're like, oh yeah, you're going to call me. I'm like, no. So Kelly, if somebody crosses you, are you black and white? Whereas you just kind of never look back.

If I'm dating you and you do things that really, like, put me in a position that makes me super vulnerable and afraid, I'm like, we're done. Like, finished. Or if you put me in a situation where, like, trust...

you know, trust in this new part of my new world is like paramount to anything, everything. And so if I can't trust you or if I can't, you know, I'm, I'm like, I'm an action speak louder than words. Like a lot of people are like, yada, yada, yada. And so I just want to be able to trust people. And I just think it's great. And I want to hear what, I want to hear what happens because if that happens, I,

I want to hear what happens after you guys talk. I'll do that. You know, and it's funny. I'm the same way with you with trust. Like trust is like a piece of paper. Once it's ripped or torn, you can glue it and tape it, but the schism is always there. And I think that when somebody blows your trust or crosses you in a way, like there's just no going back for me. And in the spirit of your driftwood, it's like painting over rotten.

Yes. Well, Driftwood, you're my Driftwood. Tennis and you are Driftwood. I'm so excited. Seriously, we have so many like texting things that we've got. And when are you going to come to LA? Well, you might be visiting tennis. Hopefully soon. Well, you might be visiting tennis and then he's going to have to punt you to me for an hour. Or we can all go to dinner. I know him, remember? Well,

Louise, oh my God. Thank you so, so, so much. Okay. So we know what our marching orders are. Yes. Something vulnerable and something really fun. Two things. Something vulnerable and something risky with like the, the, the Countess Luanne's like taking a play out of her playbook. And don't forget the going to a restaurant or a bar 30 minutes before your girl's dinner, because you can accomplish something there in a safe kind of timeframe. But by the way,

I'm actually going to do the same thing that you're doing but I'm going to write myself a little note and I'm going to take a photo. Yeah. I'm going to write two notes tomorrow to when I'm out and about

wherever I am, I'm just going to be like, can you give this to that person? Yeah, let's do it. Let's challenge ourselves. Cause guess what? Great step comes back and return. Like, um, did she drop something? Oh my God. You are so much fun. I love talking about meeting new friends and people that, you know, when you meet somebody in your life and they're aligned with kind of your core values and where you are. Well, you're, that's you. You're my girl. You're my new, you're my new 2025 friend. I'm good. Yeah.

Louise, it was so great getting to chat with you today on the pod. You have such great insight and it's been so cool to meet someone who's going through a similar journey as me. Do you want dating advice? Call us or email us. Follow us on socials. All the information will be in the show notes and make sure to rate and review the podcast. I do part two and I heart radio podcast where falling in love is the main objective.

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