The Humiliating Jake Tapper Tour
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What's up, what's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein, out on the road, bringing laughter to a sad world. How's the porch touring been going, brother?

Oh, this was an epic run of porches. And I got to let people know I did a great live pod with Scott Horton last night. It was the conspiracy debunker. And I was forcing him to comment on things I think he'd otherwise not comment on. And it was a great time. So I'm excited to listen to that.

Yeah. Anyways, fans of this show should go check that out. They'll be out on Run Your Mouth later this week. And then I got my largest run of porches coming up with San Jose, Portland, Sandpoint, Idaho. Then I'm in Reno, Salt Lake City with you. And then Wise Guys Las Vegas. That's the only one that's not on the porch tour.com. You can find everything on porch tour.com. Wise Guys Las Vegas is on their website. And come party with me in Vegas, people. I'll be there all five hours. So let's lose all of our money in five hours. Get out of Vegas.

Five hours is actually a lot of time in the casino. If you really want to gamble with it, you could lose a lot of money in five hours. Well, that's great. And then, of course, as Rob mentioned, we'll be out in Salt Lake City, and then we've got a bunch more dates coming up. ComicDaveSmith.com for all of that

for all of those ticket links for me and Rob traveling together for the rest of the year. All right. Well, I do apologize for the slightly late start time. I was just finishing up an episode of Piers Morgan and whoo, it was a banger. I was debating some lawyer lady about Israel. And I will tell you, there is something, something really beautiful is happening with Piers Morgan where he is just,

He is over the Israeli bullshit. Like he's actually, he's a no, you can see it in him. And like, you know, look, I don't, I don't know Pierce Morgan, like super well, personally, you know, I've obviously I've done the show a bunch of times, but you know,

I do the show. I've done the show twice with him in person, like when he was in America. And so I hung out, I got to talk to him a little bit those two times. And then we've messaged back and forth a few times. But every time I do the show remotely, there's no like conversation. He films them like one after the other after the other. So you come in and film your segment, and then you leave.

So anyway, I say all this to know that I'm not basing this off some insider information or I was talking to Pierce over lunch and he was telling me this. I have the information that everybody has, but you can tell. So Pierce basically through this whole thing was always on the fence. I would say on the fence more in the pro-Israel side, like center pro-Israel.

Um, and I say that just because I think he, and I don't even mean this as an insult. I think Pierce is a creature of the legacy media. He came into it with a lot of the biases of the legacy media. He was kind of, uh, he was always famous for his first questions when talking to Israel, Palestine would always be something like, doesn't Israel have a right to defend itself? Do you condemn Hamas? You know, it was always kind of it, but, but he was,

He would host these debates. And so he's probably hosted more Israel debates than anybody else on this humongous show where he's getting millions of views on every show. And it's just over the months and now almost going on two years of hosting these debates, he...

You can very clearly see that he is resentful that the pro-Israel side insults his intelligence every time they talk to him. And there was one point today where this woman I was debating, and literally, I mean, you guys will see it when it comes out, Pierce just cannot stand her bullshit. And so it just became funny because it was like Pierce almost jumped in and was just arguing with her for half the time. But

But at one point, she just sticks on this thing, which it's unbelievable. You know, Rob, over the years, you've done this thing many times where you just play, like you almost like play a character of advisor to the regime. And you're like, listen, no, this propaganda won't work. You got to at least say this. But man, could these...

Hasbro propagandists use one advisor who tells them that, listen, you can't look another sentient adult in the eyes, like assuming they weren't like kicked in the head by a horse and they have a fully functioning brain. You can't look them in the eyes and tell them that the reason Israel won't let journalists into Gaza is because they're worried something bad could happen to the journalists.

Like, you just can't say that to another human being because she tries to argue that and Piers is just so infuriated by it. It was beautiful to watch. Doesn't Israel accidentally kill them sometimes? They've killed more journalists in this conflict than like in any other modern war. But they're saying the reason they won't let any Western journalists in is because they're just worried it's dangerous over there. And oh my God, it's just so, it's a...

You know, it's almost like, you know, like in in like high school, like debate clubs or something like that. You know how the thing is that they force you to argue both sides of a topic.

And you could see where like there's some there's some utility in that exercise for like a 16 year old. You know, it's like I want you, you know, I could see that like if you had like a 16 year old who's doing a debate thing, you're like, I want you to argue the pro-choice side. And then I want you to argue the pro-life side. And I want you to steel man each side's arguments. You know, you could see where that's a good like intellectual exercise. Yeah.

There's something about listening to people debate that we're like, at a certain point, you're almost like, look, I got to tip my hat to you because I understand that this is really unfair that I drew the side that has the truth on it and you drew the side that's based off pure bullshit. And like, good for you. You know, maybe this is what I was going to say. Something fucked up, I shouldn't say. But...

I was going to say, maybe it's the Jew in me that really appreciates it. They go like, hey, listen, I admire the way you're trying to argue this bullshit point, and you just cannot do it. But dude, she's arguing at one point that it wasn't fucked up that Israel didn't allow any food or aid in for three months because they had already allowed enough aid and food in that it should have been enough calories for all the people of Gaza, but Hamas was hoarding it.

But then you're like, so I sat there and I went, okay, wait a minute. So if Hamas is hoarding the food and aid, then you're not depriving them of food and aid. Who are you depriving of food and aid? Oh yeah, the civilian population.

That's who's left, right? Like if Hamas already has what they need, then keeping it out isn't keeping it out of the hands of Hamas. It's keeping it out of the hands of the babies. Like, what are you talking about here? And there's just so many things like this. At one point, she argued that we know the Hamas, the Gaza health ministry numbers are bullshit.

And Pierce was like, well, how do you know? What are the real numbers? And she goes, I don't know. I don't know what the real numbers are. And then she goes, well, how do you know that their numbers are bullshit? And she goes, because Hamas lies. And he goes, well, how do you know Hamas is lying? And then she goes, well, we know Hamas is lying because even Hamas revised down their number of dead civilians at one point.

And I was just like, no, that's a point in my favor, not yours. Like, it's amazing how they try to take that as a... Wait, so you're saying it's proof that Hamas lies because they revise their numbers down? Why would they revise their numbers down? That's a point toward them being honest, like against their own interest. Like, why wouldn't they just not revise the numbers and keep them artificially high? Why wouldn't they double them or triple them? It's like, anyway, it's all just like...

it becomes infuriating when you're actually arguing with someone like that. Cause you're just like, Oh, you don't even, you don't even believe the shit you're saying. You're just like, look, this is my job. I took on a client. My client is Israel. I know they're guilty, but the code of a lawyer is fucking, you still have to fucking present the best defense you can, even for a guilty client. I'm getting a housekeeping knock, which I've already addressed three times. Yeah.

Are you in the hotel longer than you're supposed to be? Oh, my God. Don't get me into it. I called ahead, had to get through, said I'm only making the reservation. I got work I got to do, made the arrangements. I check in at 2 in the morning, and they're like, yeah, that's not here. We can't help you out. And had to wake up early this morning to go down. They've already knocked on the – it's just –

Listen, I've been there. I've been there before. It's also whenever you need special accommodations at a hotel, whenever you call ahead as somebody who's just traveled a lot, whenever you call ahead and you need to make the accommodations, first off, you're going to get the nicest lady that's ever worked at that hotel. You know, you're going to speak to Helen.

And Helen is just the nicest lady. She has assured you that they have everything you need. No problem. You can do all of this as soon as you get there. We'll be like, who told you this? Helen? I don't know a Helen. Do you guys know a Helen? Everyone does. I've worked here 20 years. I've never met Helen. And you're like, oh, man, they don't have any of it.

Okay. Anyway, let's get into the show. I'm looking forward to that episode of Pierce coming out. I think you guys will enjoy it. Usually it's the day of or the next day, so probably be out today or tomorrow. Okay. So let's get into some stuff. One of the topics that we did discuss this a little bit on the members only stream, but there's some new stuff that's come out. It's just I cannot overstate this.

how much I love that Jake Tapper is going on this goddamn book tour. It's just so great. It's just like one of the best. It's an obvious attempt. You know, it's a propaganda tour. It's an attempt to alleviate the indictment. Am I using these words right? But you get what I'm saying. It's an attempt to let the corporate press off the hook

for the failures of not covering the blatantly senile president. It is, you would think that right away, like if you were in a smoke-filled room, some Build-A-Bird meeting or something like that, and you were plotting out, how do we get the people back to CNN? Or how do we have a limited hangout where we admit that Biden was senile, but we don't give up all the information? You would think that if this was proposed,

someone in that room would have gone, guys, this is not going to work. This is just all, all you're going to do is remind everybody of how senile Joe Biden was and how the entire media covered it up. Yet, regardless, they continue this tour. I've enjoyed every inch of it. Not only is it great, but this is even a shift in the propaganda and spin that they're trying to push. So I thought that this was actually the most interesting of the Jake Tapper clips so far.

Yeah, well, he's been doing a whole bunch of shows. I will say that of the ones that I've seen him do, I thought Megan Kelly gave him a little bit. You know, she did a decent enough job, but even her and I say this about Pierce Morgan as well, who I'm very grateful to for platforming me all the time. But I say this about Pierce Morgan. Stephen A. Smith was just ridiculous. And with Bill Maher, all of them have just been pathetically soft.

I mean, like it is just a guy's coming on here and telling you that there was no way we could have known or reported that the emperor was naked. It's just too ridiculous. And they're they're attempting, it seems, to let him get away with that, at least to some degree.

i thought megan kelly dug in and she was good yeah she was the best she was the best but i guess i guess even with her i felt like she eventually let it go and then like let him just get his piece out but she did ask some good questions but it should be i think it should be even harsher than what she did she was clearly the best

Of the group. All right. So this is a clip from Bill Maher's show where Jake Tapper and his co-author, everybody leaves him out of this conversation, but they were on. Let's go to the clip.

order policy it seemed like under the bite and we couldn't admit it was a problem but can i say and the democrats okay yeah well i don't i think you're complimenting it by calling it a policy just not not not to talk about my book again but one of the things we discovered when we did this book original i think pull back a little bit to bill's question uh yeah like just a little bit before then probably and my mistake this is not his co-author who's on with him i misremembered this that was the other interviews he's worried he might get sent back right

Well, we don't have a great history of sticking by our promises. No, same happened in Vietnam, obviously. Same happened in Korea. And the Kurds. Remember the Kurds? Promised them a lot. Yeah. Yeah, although to be fair, we took in a lot of Vietnamese refugees. Yes. And they're around Northern Virginia today. And they're great contributors to our society. I mean, let's also not forget what immigrants do. I mean, immigrants founded Google.

eBay, right? I mean, they're great contributors to our economy, to our society. We are a country of immigrants, right? I think five of our top 10 companies are immigrants. Can you just pause it already right there? Because there's even, I do find this to be something, and this is kind of aside from the topics that we're going to get into, but don't you, Rob, I find this

of interesting you know i just had a big immigration debate so this stuff has kind of been on my mind and also it's just it's a big topic but it is interesting where you'll see these things that like um proponents of mass immigration and then proponents of immigration restrictions

We'll do on one side or the other. But it's almost like, well, look, if you get to do this on one side, then we get to do this on both. Like you could sit here and say, well, look, there are these, you know, like, look, the say the Southeast Asian immigrants or the Vietnamese immigrants who have come in after the war have been assimilated quite well. Things are going quite good with them. It's like, OK, well, which immigrants haven't been assimilated well?

Like, are you criticizing the ones who haven't been? Are you? You know what I'm saying? Like, so then is it also the case that I get like if I I'm just saying if you get to brag about the ones who have assimilated? Well, do I get to like I'm from New York City? Do I get to point out Chinatown?

Where literally they have their own language, their own stores, their own, they, none of those motherfuckers speak the language. Good luck. Go through Chinatown and try to find, I mean, the kids do, but go through Chinatown and try to find someone over 40 who speaks English. It's like next to impossible. You go into there, they have stores in Mandarin or Cantonese or whatever, like on the wrappers. Okay. Like if you're going to go, Hey, look, there was immigrants founded Google or something like that. You're like, okay, how about the ones who did nine 11?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like they were foreigners who were in the country. And or it's like, you know, the the immigrants who are criminals. It's just weird that people get to like point to the immigrants who contribute to the country while ignoring immigrants.

All the rest of it. But anyway, just a thought. And it doesn't speak to you could probably just have the upside of immigration if you didn't just pour everyone across the border. And I'm going to guess if you even look at the specific examples, I don't know them of these CEOs. My guess is they didn't just illegally come over our southern border.

Yeah, that would be my guess for sure. I also said, this is not mine, but I quoted this in the debate. I gave her credit, but it was Ann Coulter's, which I always thought was a great point because she was arguing with someone who said that immigrants commit crime at a lower rate than the domestic population. And

Our first response to that was that that's not true. And if you look into the studies, that's actually like bullshit, which I think I tend to think she's right about, although it's not, it's difficult to measure. I've been looking into these studies in preparation for that debate I did. It's just very difficult to measure because the truth is they don't keep good data on this stuff. Even the Cato guys admitted that and they did one study in Texas, but like Texas was one of the only states that even kept good data. So it was like almost impossible to,

Anyway, regardless of that, the point is she, Ann Coulter goes, which I thought was a great way to look at it, is she goes, yeah, but I don't care if they commit crime at a lower or a higher rate. The fact is they're committing crimes. And she was like, that's like saying that like, if you had a refrigerator full of food and half of it is spoiled or rotten, and then you went to the supermarket to go shopping and you were like, well, a third of the food you got at the supermarket is rotten.

But that's a lower rate than the food that you have in your refrigerator. It's like, yeah, but the expectation when you go to the supermarket is that 100% of your food will not be rotten. Like that's the why or why am I bringing more rotten food into my house? I already have a problem with rotten food here. And so it's like, to your point, it's like, yes, the whole idea of an immigration system

of having immigration policy at all. The idea is that you want to bring in the people who are going to contribute to your country and not the people who are not going to contribute to your country or be a drain on your country. And so the fact that you can point to some people who contribute and then therefore turn back to the Biden policy and say, hey, let's remember when he had this policy of millions of people pouring over the southern border illegally, that

there are good things that immigrants do. It's like, well, yeah, that would be an argument to not have 100% closed borders and to have an immigration policy, but that's not an argument for open borders or de facto open borders.

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There's backlash to that. We had an open border policy. That has the bite. OK, but you would admit that that's where this feeling comes from. Of course, it's carried out in a horrible way. But that's where if you do something, there's always going to be a counter to it. I think there's a bit of just racism. There is. There absolutely is. Democrats. There was also an open border policy. It seemed like under the Biden. And we couldn't admit it was a problem.

And the Democrats. Okay. I think you're complimenting it by calling it a policy. Just not to talk about my book again, but one of the things we discovered when we did this book, Original Sin, me and Alex Thompson, is

There there's a senator, Senator Bennett from Colorado, who went to an event in June 2024 where Biden seemed non-functioning. And he left that event. And this is in the book thinking this is why our our border policy, our immigration policy is such a mess. This guy can't manage the portfolio. They're competing groups within the administration and he's not engaged.

for whatever reason. And that's why this policy is such a mess. And I know that the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Mayorkas, he thought there was going to be an order early on in the Biden years shutting down the border or at least providing more security. And the order never came. So people talk about what are the repercussions of Biden not being

what we expect a president to be just in terms of functioning 100% of the time. This is one of those things. So I think calling it a policy might be a little optimistic. Honestly, it's not just Biden.

There you go. Go ahead, Rob. Now you have the border border by the Biden border wall cover up, which is that they were not trying to get as many people over the border as possible, but it was because of Biden's dementia. He wasn't able to actually enact policy. And so we overlooked it. And just to talk about how ridiculous this claim is, firstly, go watch Meyer, Meyer carditis and all those hearings. He was border Fauci. He was lying through his teeth. And later when they, uh,

when the election came around, they decided to actually deal with the border. When they lied to the American people and said, hey, we have to legalize 5,000 people coming over a day, otherwise I can't shut down the border, and nobody bought that bullshit, and it became a sore talking point, they managed to shut down the border. And someone was creating policies for the parole system. Someone was creating policies of just looking at, like,

and there were NGOs down there bringing people over. There was a movement within the Biden administration to get as many people across that border as possible. I can't tell you the specific reason why it was happening. I don't know who was involved with it, but it was going on. So point number one is this is bullshit. This is now the cover up of, no, they didn't actually intentionally do it. It was that Biden had dementia. Fine, even if Biden had dementia, so Mayorkas couldn't do anything.

There was nothing that could be enforced. You didn't need an executive order to shut the border. You're not supposed to have people pouring over. The Trump administration did it instantly the second that this administration was out. That's one. Two is, whoever this guy is who observed that Biden was so incapable of doing his job that he was creating a border problem, the fact that he didn't act as some sort of a whistleblower and every other person that observed Biden's behavior, then you are responsible.

If you're observing that the commander in chief can't do his jobs and that there's a crisis because he can't do his job, you have a responsibility to report on that and make that storyline known. So no matter what, there's fault within the Democratic Party for what happened at that border. And you're now listening to this guy who not just wrote the book trying to cover up for the dementia, but now the dementia cover up is going to include, well, all these failed policies were a result of that dementia, which, yeah, they should have told us about, but no one needs to be accountable for it.

Yeah, dude, very well said. And I do appreciate that you consistently call Mayorkas Mayorkarditis. I do just think that I find that very charming. No, it's no, that's right. You know, it's you know, I said literally just to go back to this just in my mind. But I said on this Piers Morgan debate that I was on at one point where I said when it comes to international law, I'm Lysander Spooner.

Like I don't, and I said that, I go, look, either international law allows Israel to do what it's doing to Gaza or it's been powerless to stop them. Either way, it's unfit to exist. You know, like, and then I said, you know, it's clearly seems to be the latter, not the former. I mean, the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu for war crimes. So like the international law is trying to do what it can, but it's powerless to stop it. In the same sense,

If the Democratic Party and the media apparatus, like if this is what you're claiming, the president is so senile. Because think about what this claim is here. This isn't just like, oh, he has bouts of senility. You're saying he is so senile all the time that he does not even know what his border policy is. He's not even aware of like one of the most consequential important policies that he has. And yet that still doesn't get reported consistently.

that still the media apparatus is still so incompetent that this doesn't become a major story, then it's an it's still an indictment of the entire media apparatus. But also, it's just, you know, like Jake Tapper's being a little bit cutesy here when he says then it's not a policy. No, it's still a policy. It's like saying like, you

If I'm like, "Hey, I'm not driving my car. I'm not in my car right now, but you can see my car going down the street." That doesn't mean it's not a car anymore. That doesn't mean it's not being driven anymore. It just means that somebody else is driving this car.

Or the car is in neutral and it's falling down the hill or whatever. But like, even if you're saying Joe Biden had no idea what this policy was, it was the policy. I don't sit here and tell me for a second that Joe Biden, the defense is actually that he was so senile that everyone else in the government was just waiting for some executive order to come down that never did. By the way, lots of executive orders did come down. Why wasn't this one of them?

He wasn't too senile for all the other executive orders or other people around him just fucking wrote them and then auto penned his name on them or whatever you want to say. But no, I'm sorry. And then also, right, Rob, to your point, somehow he wasn't so senile that this policy couldn't be reversed as he headed into an election year.

Right? Like, so what are we talking about here? No, this wasn't a, this was a policy. It was intentionally done. Now, if you want to argue to me that Joe Biden was so senile that he didn't even know the policy was being done or he wasn't even aware of it. Sure. I'm all ears. I'm open to that. But somebody there is responsible for this policy, which was done intentionally to flood the country with millions of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers and

and all types of people who did not immigrate to the country legally. And so, you know, it's just, it's a pathetic,

um, it's a pathetic attempt to kind of rewrite history and, and let everybody else off the hook, even though by its own logic, it'd just be another indictment of the entire system. So anyway, it's just a goofy, a goofy claim and ridiculous logic to try to somehow say that. Yeah. Okay. Well, like, like, for example, right. Joe Biden wasn't,

He wasn't more senile on the border than he was on Ukraine, right? He was the same amount of senile for all of the policies. And yet Ukraine funding kept happening, you know, like all of these other policies went on. And so why is it that this one policy was like affected by his, him being senile when like clearly the same apparatus was at play there?

Why weren't Joe Biden just writing an executive order for him and getting him to sign it? And, you know, and then again, of course, much like with Biden's senility in general, they're like, guys, we we were here.

We watched the coverage of it. We know what Democrats were saying about it. All of this stuff is forever. We have the video. It's online. We can all find it. People make amazing montages of this shit every single day that we all laugh at as we look at how fucking dishonest all you guys are. You guys were sitting there saying that there is no crisis at the border.

So if the truth is that at the time you were going like, oh my God, this crisis is so horrible and Joe Biden's just so senile that he's not dealing with it. What you told the American people was still that there is no crisis until, you know, it was too late and you couldn't deny it. And then remember Rob, because we covered again, it's like,

It's just a thing. We do a show four days a week. We cover this shit all the time. Maybe we're not experts. Maybe we're not geniuses, but we do talk about this shit all the time. And I'm definitely smart enough and know enough to remember that all of you guys blamed Donald Trump for the crisis. You said that it was him. It was, it was he who killed the immigration bill in Congress that would have solved this thing. And we pointed out at the time, that's bullshit. The immigration bill was, was a monstrosity. It would have been terrible, but regardless, it's,

All of you guys, you can't just pivot from this was Donald Trump's fault and he did this just to help his election campaign into now, oh, I guess it was Joe Biden's fault, but he was senile. So no one's really to blame. It's so convenient, Rob. The answer from Jake Tapper's book and what these guys are saying is that no one is really to blame except for all the people who are out of power. Now we could talk. We could never blame them when they were in power. You see? Yeah.

But now that they're out of power, it's Joe Biden and his family and his close advisors. Those were the culprits. You know, as soon as they're out of that, it's so just like it's so pathetic. It's so pathetic because it's always like what the what the press is essentially guilty of is sucking up to power and always defending power. And now they're trying to prove that wrong by trashing people once they're out of power who they never would have trashed when they were in power.

It's like, sorry, that just solidifies the case against you. It doesn't help. Well, sucking up to Democratic or, you know, part of the machine power. They like criticizing Trump. But well, yeah, but the point is, even when they were criticizing Trump, they were sucking up to the CIA. They were sucking up. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're still kind of like on the side of the power that they felt that he was a threat to. So, yes, but yes, I get your point.

And just speaking to the absolute nonsense of what Jake Tapper is saying here, you can watch hours of footage of Meyer Carditis in front of Congress, in front of the Senate going, the border is not a crisis and we are doing everything we can and we care and we're trying. Did he ever once make a statement of, well, I just haven't gotten orders from Joe Biden or we need the following action to be taken? He never once made that claim. The claim that he made was he lied through his teeth and he ran cover for what seemed to be

someone in the deep state or the administration that wanted as many people coming over that border as possible. And so he spent hours I'm telling you, he was border Fauci. He was just lying through his teeth. No, it's not a crisis, but we do care. We are working hard. We're doing our job. That's simply not true. I have to speak for my department. We are doing our part. And they go, well, then why are the numbers look we're doing every well, it's not working. No. And they even tried to impeach him. But I mean,

This is from two, three years ago, but what Tapper's saying here is just not true. Well, by the way, and there's something that's different about immigration, particularly with like birthright citizenship and just with the –

you know, the lack of appetite by the American people for any type of like violence within the United States of America, where it is almost like, I think in some way, it's like immigration and the death penalty are like the most permanent of government policies. You know, like you could, if you, look, if you imprison someone falsely,

You OK, you took that that time from them. There's a permanence there. But, you know, you can release that person. You can clear their name. You can even compensate them for the time that they were locked up. If you have a bad tax policy, you can issue rebates. You know, you like there are there are things there are government policies that you can theoretically undo. Maybe not in totality, but like to some degree. But like the death penalty, you can't.

You know, you kill somebody, they get exonerated by DNA evidence 15 years later, and you just go, ah, shit.

We killed a guy, you know, and in some senses, immigration policy is similar to that. You know, it's like you you're simply never going to be able to deport everybody who came in illegally. And and I don't even think the Trump administration is trying. I think they've kind of given up on on that idea if they ever even believed in it. But there is something where you go like, look, man, when you just like.

When you against the will of the people just flood millions of people into a country like you changed that country in a way that will not be undone. And when you did it like this, where you're lying through your teeth as Mayorkas was, it's like, man, there really should be some type of punishment for that, that you get to sit there and just say, oh, there is no crisis. There is no crisis. This isn't happening. And then go, oh, yeah, totally happened. But it was just because this guy was senile. Anyway, moving on.

Like moving on, you've, you know, like, I don't know. It's like a permanent change to the country that you can't undo. And Bill Maher's response to this is pretty good. It's just like another minute, but Bill Maher does hop on this in a decent way. All right, let's play the rest of the clip.

I mean, I mentioned this during the show that our governor here recently reversed one of the policies we had here, which was free medical care to undocumented migrants, which pissed off a lot of people who think that that shouldn't be happening, that we should take care of our own and that's why our taxes are so high. And it was a rather generous policy.

policy you got as someone who wasn't even a legal citizen, including like being driven to appointments, I think I read. Now, I mean, if that's something that a state like California, which is right on the border of Mexico, is offering, can you blame people for pouring over? I love all these changes that Newsom's doing, the conversion on the road to Des Moines. I

Somebody's got to do it. This is what we were talking about. Can you pause it there for a second? This, to me, was the most incredible moment of the whole thing, is that did Jake Tapper have the nerve to just... By the way, I agree with what Jake Tapper is saying.

He's absolutely right. But the unmitigated nerve of Jake Tapper to claim that, oh, yeah, this guy, Gavin Newsom, oh, his conversion on the road to Des Moines. For those people who don't get the reference, Iowa is the first primary in the presidential elections. And so he's saying, oh, yeah, you know, he's oh, now that he wants to run for president, all of a sudden he's waking up. Jake.

Go look at your coverage of this. While Joe Biden was still in the White House and the plan was to run him once again, not only were you not covering any of this, you were actively demonizing people who were telling the truth about it. Your entire network made up ridiculous justifications about cheap fakes and sharp as a tack.

and all this so don't sit here for a second and then criticize that guy for making a this conversion on the roy on the road to des moines okay that being said jake tapper's hypocrisy aside he is right i mean it is so hilarious that like i don't you know obviously there are individual people who are involved and these people are concerned with their own self-interest

It is crazy to me that anybody looking at this wouldn't go, oh, yeah, dude, we got to find someone new who doesn't have this nonsense on their track record. And this applies to Jake Tapper and it applies to Gavin Noosa.

You know, like the idea that even if CNN wants to rebrand and say, look, we're going to write a book, we're going to do a big expose on the scandal that was the cover up of Joe Biden's senility. Wouldn't you think that has to come with like a new anchor who we just brought in and we're going to.

know frame him as like i'm a no-nonsense truth teller so jake tapper's out but ah man and let me tell you the truth that he wouldn't tell you but you can't just have the guy who was doing his bidding turn around and say now that you know it's it's all this i said this on the members only episode but it's all this it's stephen a smith jake tapper like gavin newsom all these guys this in this game track record is everything that

That's what you're judged on your track record. That's what me and you are judged on Rob on our track record on what of the major issues we've gotten right over the last few years. And in our case, it's all of them, but in their case, it's none of them. And I'm sorry, but it doesn't like to come out now. It's like Stephen A. Smith. It's like sitting there being a good little democratic foot soldier the entire time. And he may be able to claim like one time he said, Joe Biden does seem a little old or something like that.

But you're sitting there, and then what? After Donald Trump wins every single swing state and the popular vote, and then once the entire culture has shifted away from the insane shit of the last few years, and then once the Republicans control the House and the Senate and the presidency and the Supreme Court, then when the Democrats' approval ratings are at 25%, you'll come out and say, you know what?

I'm going to say it, and I don't care if anyone doesn't like it. There's some problems with these Democrats. Okay, that doesn't get you any street cred. You got to say it when it actually meant something. Anybody can say it after the fact. But, like, all this stuff, it's unbelievable to me that they'd go, okay, yeah, our presidential candidate for next time. You'd understand the Democrats going, yeah, probably should be someone who doesn't support

the taxpayers being forced to provide medical care for immigrants. But like, then it's gotta be a new guy. You can't just have the same guy end the policy now. Like it's just too, it's too ridiculous. No, no, like no thinking human can't see through this bullshit. Uh,

do you want to jump in rob or you want to go back to the clip i i don't think that there's much more from this uh clip to be played but i don't i don't actually remember let's jump in just for for a couple more seconds because i feel like there was one more thing that i wanted to respond to

Somebody's got to do it. I mean, this is what we were talking about. Look, I'm a Democrat who believes that health care is a human right. But the bottom line is there are a lot of Americans who don't have health care. And it's about to get a lot worse because of the bill that Republicans just passed in the middle of the night. Fifteen million Americans, not illegal immigrants, 15 million Americans who are going to lose health care because of what Trump and the Republicans are doing. So we've got to keep that context in mind. But

But the reason why people are pissed off is because a lot of people don't have good enough health care in America today. But what the Republicans would say. All right. So, by the way, we pause there. There is a theory. He's he's skirting what the point was, which was clearly there was government policy that was incentivizing people to come over and that this is foolish. If you're looking to have less immigration, you can at least just make it less favorable for people to try and sneak in illegally and get

of course they don't want to speak to the fact that there were democratic policies that were clearly incentivizing this behavior and so he just skirts it to a lefty talking point about health care for americans well isn't it um isn't it so incoherent though to say that like

This world, which is, you know, how the left uses this, these, the idea of rights, but they're referring to like positive obligations, whereas like all like natural rights theory always relied around, revolved around negative rights. So like the idea that nothing is owed to be provided to you, a rights claim is that something shouldn't be done to you for exercising those rights. So like, you know, the, you, you,

you may have the right to defend yourself. You might the right to bear arms, but no one's arguing that the government has an obligation to provide you a gun. It's just that they can't stop you from going and getting a gun. Now, again, the government does stop you from going and getting a gun in many cases. But,

regardless of that, the theory of rights... But a right to free speech doesn't mean that they're handing you a speech of what you say. That would... Right. Or that they have to hand you a megaphone or that they have to publish you in a newspaper or that they have... Right. It's just that no one should stop you from exercising your rights. So in that sense, yes, we believe in the right to health care. Like, you have the right to go find a doctor and, you know, trade his services for your money at an agreed-upon price. But...

The way this guy is saying it, right, as lefties like to talk about it, if they go, well, he goes, look, I'm a Democrat who believes that health care is a human right. Well, in that case, how would you be opposed to providing health care to illegal immigrants? Are you saying you're for denying them a human right?

Like, what does this even mean? It's totally incoherent. That's the only way that makes sense. Well, right, exactly. So it's like, why would it be the case that you, if you believe it's a human right, are you saying human rights are only for American citizens? Because that's not how human rights are supposed to work. Are you admitting to being guilty of crimes against humanity if you don't have the government provide health care to illegal immigrants? And no, it is not simply the case that this is

Americans being mad that they don't have good health care. Don't get me wrong, there's lots of problems with the health insurance industry. It's all due to government intervention. But I'm not thrilled with how much it costs me to insure my family. It's outrageous. But

But we have good health care. I do have good health care. I still don't want my tax dollars being paid for illegal immigrants' health care. And it's not because I'm angry that I don't have good health care and the government's taking care of them. I just – I simply think it's an outrage to force the American people to cover –

health expenses of a group of people who have not even been invited into the country and their first act is coming in against our laws. I found that totally appalling. And look, it's like charity is only noble if it's done voluntarily. And if you want to help somebody out, then sure, go for it. But the fact is that most Americans feel like we have our own problems,

We have lots of our own citizens who have lots of issues and that the fact that you are forcing the taxpayer to cover the health care of illegal immigrants before our own government is even addressing the problems of our own citizens is an outrage. It's appalling. And so it's just whatever. It's all just wrong and stupid. The issue isn't that that.

you know, people are just like, well, my healthcare is not even good. So we can't provide them with good healthcare until my healthcare is good. It's more like something, it's more like the view that it is not a given that

that America has an obligation to take in the whole world if the world wants to come. It's not anybody's birthright to come to America. And the idea that if you just come here illegally against the wishes of the American people, that therefore not only do we owe you that, but we also owe you some stuff on top of it is just fucking absurd.

It makes absolutely no sense. And by the way, this is the truth for all positive rights claims, like all of the claims of like housing as a human right or health care as a human right or all of this stuff. And this is, by the way, something I've said for years.

There are these different kind of schools of thought and different camps of political ideologies. There are, you know, like Alex, who I debated from Cato, who I just debated recently, there are like libertarians who support open borders. Now, I don't agree with them. I think they get the theory wrong and they get the policy wrong, but it is at least to some degree a coherent worldview that

to say that like,

I'm for basically the government doing nothing in the economy, either the government doing nothing or the government doing absolutely next to nothing, not intervening in the economy, not taxing people, not providing positive rights for people. But I'm for an open government policy or an open borders policy. There's at least some coherence to that. I think there's more coherence to a libertarian policy that says we don't believe in unrestricted immigration, obviously.

But there is something about the left-wing worldview where they'll say things like this, where they believe in a lax immigration policy, and they also believe that health care and housing and education are human rights. And there is just – it is –

such a contradictory way of viewing the world. It's like, it's, it's so you're telling me that the, your policy view is that the world has a right to come here. And also we, the taxpayer have an obligation to provide them with a house and with education and a job and healthcare and all of these things. Explain to me how that works. Cause that is just like, there is, it is the most like what was interesting about this. If you remember Rob, there was this, um,

there's this uh uh interview with bernie sanders was ezra klein was interviewing bernie sanders i believe it was in 2016. might have been 15 but i think it was 2016. i'm sorry

Yes, yes, yes. Either 2016 or 2015 is when he was running for president against Hillary Clinton or right before. And he asked him about open borders and Bernie Sanders because he's an old school, you know, socialist. He's not like one of these new woke kinds. He just goes open borders. He goes, that's a Koch brother policy.

And he was, and Ezra Klein was like, no, no, no. Like we're lefties. We like open borders. And he was like, what? No, that's what the right wingers want. Open borders. He goes that, but in a way,

It just, it made so much more sense. If you were a democratic socialist, then of course you'd have to believe in strict immigration control. How else could you? I mean, Rob, look, if you believe in unions and high minimum wage and healthcare as a natural right and education as a human right and housing as a human right, well, how can you do all that when you have wide open borders?

You can only do all of that, right? Like it's totally contradictory. Now, that does not mean, therefore, the libertarian open borders advocates are right. They are incorrect. But at least there's a coherence to their worldview. Whereas like with these democratic socialists who believe in open borders, it's totally incoherent. It just makes absolutely no sense.

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All right. Sounds good. Okay. What do you want to do for the next topic, Rob? Are you getting me a second here? I mean, we can go with firstly, there was the incident with the, well, I don't know. You want to go with the, you know, they're claiming that Doge is going to continue. We've got the senators who were pushing back on Donald Trump's budget. Oh, let's go with that. We have the clip of the Speaker of the House. Yeah, let's do that. Talking about how he's a fiscal conservative.

It was Tom Elliott's tweet. Again, great Twitter. Great Twitter follow, Tom Elliott. Does a great job of just cataloging

um the liars um and i do like that he he wrote this this is he does the old uh michael malice thing which is the best where he goes uh uh speaker johnson who increased the debt one trillion dollars every 100 days since being named says i am a fiscal hawk i just thought that was a great great introduction so here is speaker johnson talking about the latest monstrosity of a spending bill

What's going to happen? Well, the Joint Committee on Taxation is projecting just three hundredths of a percent on growth. But let me just ask you, I want you to address the concerns of your colleagues, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Rand Paul. Why doesn't this bill do more to address the debt and deficit, Mr. Speaker?

Yeah, well, listen, I agree with my good friend Ron Johnson, for example. A lot of the comments that he stated about government spending, we have a north of $36 trillion federal debt right now, and it is the largest national security concern for the U.S. I am a fiscal hawk.

Many of my Republican colleagues in the House feel the same way. But it did not, we didn't get in this situation overnight, Kristen. It took us decades, many decades of Congress's, frankly, mismanagement of the public fisc to get in this situation. And the last four years, the Biden administration increased spending dramatically. So it's going to take us a while to get out of it. We can't flip a magic switch and reverse it overnight. But this is the largest step forward in the right direction. Yes, you can.

What is this? That we didn't get here overnight, therefore we can't flip a switch? Well, actually you can. You could just stop spending all of our goddamn money.

It's just such a ridiculous thing to sit here and be like, well, look, I agree with you. I'm a fiscal hawk. And in fact, the fact that we're $37 trillion in debt, this is our number one national security threat. Like, oh, all right, great. So then we're all on the same page here. So we definitely shouldn't add to the debt then, right? Because it's our number one national security. So he's going to sit here and say, listen, I agree with you. The president agrees with you. Every Republican agrees, right?

we're all in agreement and sure we have control of the house the senate and the presidency but you know we gotta add a little bit more to the i mean you can't buy it and spend so much can't just turn this thing around like i don't know like it's it's on the level of being like um you know you're like hey you're morbidly obese and you ate nothing from dusk till dawn or whatever you ate nothing from morning to night let's say you did nothing but eat cheesecake

like this is really bad policy and it's going to result in disaster. And you go, yeah, I'm with you. It's the biggest threat to our body right now is that we're so morbidly obese. And you go, yeah, but I noticed you just bought two more cheesecakes. And you go, well, look, I mean, we ate a ton of cheesecake yesterday and we can't, I can't just hit some magical button where we don't eat cheesecake today. It's like, no, actually, yes, you can. You could just not have any more. If

That is totally possible. You're telling me if you were to say, hey, I can't just push some magical button where we pay off the $37 trillion in debt, like, okay, fine. But you could definitely write a bill that doesn't add to it. It's just such a ridiculous argument. And listen, I'm as much of a cheesecake hawk as anybody. We just got to eat a little bit, just a couple more cakes. What are we talking about here, guys?

but you don't have to spend any more money or in your cheesecake example if you're uh caught that red-handed you can at least go well for tomorrow i'm only ordering one cheesecake and we're making improvements here and we're gonna we'll doubt but when you order if you ate two today

and you're telling you, hey, I know it's a problem and you're going to three tomorrow, doesn't sound like you actually care about the problem. And so for him to be up there and go, oh, yeah, I agree with all these people. I'm a hawk just as much as they are. But at the moment, we just got to we got to spend more than we ever did. And I can't tell you when we're ever going to ramp that down or make the correction. But now is just not the time. Doesn't doesn't sound like you're a fiscal hawk, my friend.

As I've said before, Rob, if D.C. had a motto, it would be now's not the time. Now's never the time. Unless it's war. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When it comes to dropping bombs on innocent people. Or shutting down the country for COVID. Then it's always the time. It's almost always the time to drop bombs on innocent people. But, yeah, you know, I'll say this. You had...

Donald Trump winning every swing state and the popular vote. You had a major cultural shift, a major, major cultural awakening to the corruption of government. You had Doge come in, which was enormously popular, and it was exposing all types of government corruption. You have a Republican, you have a House and a Senate who's

slim majorities, but have majorities filled up by Republicans who all go off all day long about how they're against big government and therefore fiscal sanity, just like the speaker here said, he's a fiscal hawk. Now is the time.

Now might be the only time. Now is the best time. It's the best goddamn shot we'd have to actually have some meaningful reduction in the size and scope in government. And the reason why we're not having that is because Mike Johnson loves big government and Donald Trump loves big government and the entire Republican establishment love big government. That's why we're going to continue to have big government. And don't let them fool you with any of this other bullshit. Sorry. Look,

and to the entire mega movement we're either just like the democrats or we're not we're either in a cult as well where they could where one day we'll repeat the line yes sharp as attack joe biden is sharp as attack joe biden's so old and senile that kamala harris has to run yes kamala harris is hope and joy yeah like we're either cult members like them or we're independent

critical thinkers who are allowed to tell the truth. And the truth is that this was the absolute best time to actually cut some government spending. And the reason it's not happening is because almost no one in the Republican Party actually believes in that. And it's clear to see there's a few people, Rand Paul, Thomas Massey. I'll even give a what's his name who they mentioned here, Ron Johnson.

Okay, he's not quite as much of a hawk as I'd like him to be. But at least those guys do to some degree believe in cutting the size and scope of government. The rest of them simply don't. And you're going to call this thing a big, beautiful bill. It's just disgusting. And it's an, I'm sorry, what Mike Johnson is saying here is just, it's an insult to all of our intelligence. All right, let's keep playing. Bring it back just like a few seconds, Natalie, and let's play a little more from the clip before we wrap up.

is the largest step forward in the right direction that Congress has ever made. I liken this to an aircraft carrier. You don't turn an aircraft carrier on a dime. It takes a mile of open ocean. This is the biggest turn in that wheel that we would have had in generations. And this is the first of a number of steps. This is a key point.

This is not the only reconciliation bill. We're going to have a second budget reconciliation bill that follows after this. And we're beginning next week the appropriations process, which is the spending bills for government. And you're going to see a lot of the doge cuts and a lot of this new fiscal restraint reflected in what Congress does next. So stay tuned. Let's just pause it right there for a second. Okay. No, you won't.

We're both on record making our predictions now. No, you won't. You will not see a lot of the doge cuts reflected. They'll find a way to spin it so that they can claim that some of them are. But I'm sorry. Look, again, all of these examples of like, it takes a long time to turn a ship around. All right. The problem is like, let's say you're in a car and you're doing 90 miles an hour and you're headed off of a cliff. Okay.

If I get behind the wheel and I step on the accelerator and now I push more on it and now we're doing 95 miles an hour, I can't really claim that I'm turning it around.

And if spending is going up and the deficit's going up and the debt is going up, then you're not turning the ship around. You are accelerating in the direction of disaster. That is not being a fiscal hawk. And try to spin this any way you want to. And look, I'm just, again, there's some younger people who listen to this show. I have the benefit of a little bit of wisdom now that I'm getting old. I've just been through this before.

I've been through this every Republican in my lifetime. So I was born during the Ronald Reagan administration.

So I lived through a little bit as a baby of Ronald Reagan, but you know, whatever. I was like five by the time he got out. But I, you know, whatever. I've read a lot about it. I know about Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush was the second Republican president of my lifetime. George W. Bush was the third. Donald Trump is the fourth and fifth, depending on how you want to carve it up. Every single time spending went up.

Spending went up under Reagan, under George H.W. Bush, under George W. Bush and under Donald Trump and under Donald Trump again. And not by a little. Major spending increases. Entire new departments of entitlements were created. I think George W. Bush's Medicare Part D. OK, no child left behind was created under a Republican president. And every single time, Rob, they got some story like this.

Yes, we're raising spending and adding to the debt and all of this, but it's a big part of this huge ship being turned around. And believe me, in the appropriations process, Rob, that's where we're really going to get to cutting spending. No, you fucking won't. You liar. You big government loving liar. Not happening. All right, Rob, I'll give you the final word and then let's let's wrap up.

I think we thoroughly trashed the Republican Party that seems to have zero interest in whatsoever at this point in time of trying to actually cut spending. And now, you know, you had Elon Musk saying Doge is a movement. They're going to continue my movement. And they're making bold claims. There was an interview with J.D. Vance, and he said that we're absolutely going to be continuing Doge. This was just the start of Doge.

And there just seems to be a lot of promises from the administration of, no, we're doing it. We're doing it. It's coming. It's coming. Trust the plan. We're going to do it. But then it,

As you get further and further along, it doesn't seem like they're ever actually taking any actions towards what they're promising you. Yep. So it's just like that's the thing. And then what they count on is that by the time it comes, you'll already be this will be in the rearview mirror and you'll be infuriated about the latest progressive thing that they did. And so you'll fall in line supporting the Republicans beside this. But like right now, while it's being like, let's just be clear, spending isn't getting cut.

Epstein files aren't being released. Like the, the, all of the, these promises are just not happening and they're not happening for a reason. And it's because the Republicans don't want it to, they don't actually believe in this stuff and whatever, but let that prediction bear at, let's see if Mike Johnson's right. Or if, if we're right about that, but yeah,

yeah this is I've just seen this game I've seen this movie too many times and just just one more thing on that is that for the for the Trump loyalists I think for people that are actually concerned with these things if there's enough public interest in them you might force their hand believe me if no one if no one doesn't shut up about and these the Republicans actually get punished and start looking like they're expanding the debt more and it's funny that NBC gets to be on there aren't we concerned about the debt

But the Republicans are almost falling into this trap where they're never going to be able to talk about debt again. And they're not going to be able to talk about the deep state again. And if you are looking for these things to actually be fixed, Trump is in office now and you go, hey, I'm looking for this to happen. They might do it. But I think if you just stand around, go trust the plan, trust the plan. No, you can't criticize them. They're better than the Dems. I think it's a lot safer for them to just not touch any of these things. And so they won't.

Yeah, 100%. All right. That's our show for today. Thank you guys for watching, listening. Appreciate you. PorchTour.com, ComicDaveSmith.com. Go check out Run Your Mouth. I'm very interested to watch that Scott Horton episode. That sounds cool. All right. Catch you guys next time. Peace.

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