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I have no regrets about what I did, about leaking the memo. I would still do it if I was in the same position again. This is True Spies, episode 14, The Spy Who Said No.

Being involved in an international story of this level that involves life and death, involves war, involves wrongdoing, and involves the moral courage of a particular individual was the biggest story of my journalistic career. This is the story of the spy and the journalist who tried to stop the Iraq War. 25th February 2004.

A 28-year-old Mandarin specialist at GCHQ, the UK government's surveillance centre in Cheltenham, is charged under the Official Secrets Act 1989, Section 1, Subsection 1, that she did knowingly and intentionally disclose top-secret intelligence information contrary to the said act. This is the story of Catherine Gunn, a spy in the UK intelligence services who leaked a top-secret memo.

and the journalist, Martin Bright, who would expose it in a national newspaper. By printing and posting the memo, Catherine broke the Official Secrets Act, risking her career and going to prison. She would send the memo to a contact who would share it with Martin. The contents were explosive. It revealed a plan by the US government to gather intelligence about members of the United Nations and blackmail them to make them vote for war.

The targets were the so-called "Middle Six" delegations: Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Mexico, Guinea and Pakistan. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks in 2001, US President George W. Bush identifies Iraq, along with Iran and North Korea, as part of an "axis of evil" in his State of the Union address.

He tells the United Nations General Assembly and warns Iraq that military action will be unavoidable if it does not comply with the UN resolutions on disarmament. In 2002, the UK publishes a dossier on the threat posed by Iraq. It includes the claim that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction which could be used within 45 minutes.

The UN Security Council unanimously passes a resolution giving Iraq "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations and warning of serious consequences if it does not." Saddam Hussein is not cooperating. Inspectors have not yet provided evidence of weapons of mass destruction

but the war drums are beating. We were pretty sure that by this point there was determination on the part, certainly of the Americans, to go to war. So the pressure was intense. The pressure was intense for government, for the military involved in this decision-making. And in the United Nations itself, we've been following the ups and downs of the diplomatic process.

That's the journalist. Here's the spy. The role of GCHQ is to gather signals intelligence. So it was our job to translate anything that came in that was either email, fax or phone calls for phone conversations, to translate those into English and to

turn them or to glean any relevant information from them and decide whether or not there was information that could be then reported on to our customers, which would be people such as the Foreign Office or the Ministry of Defence or other agencies like that within government.

January 2003. It's a Friday. Catherine, 28, shy and studious, sits at her desk at GCHQ in an open plan office and, as usual, the first thing she does is open her emails. One in particular catches her eye. What's this? A memo. Forwarded from a senior manager at GCHQ,

A classified email from the NSA, the national security agency in the US, to senior NSA officials. The three paragraphs she reads will change her life forever.

And as I read it, I became immediately appalled by what I was reading. I almost felt like I'd entered a parallel universe. And I felt as though I was seeing things behind the curtain, that I actually had access to information that was potentially explosive enough

to derail the potential invasion of Iraq at the time. It was a very shocking moment for me at the time. What could be in that email that was so shocking to someone working in intelligence for the government? Basically, it was a request

from NSA to assist them in a process of surveilling, collecting the communications, both of the home communications and the office communications, of six of the diplomats who were sitting on the UN Security Council at the time, and then to gather, and this is a quote, "the whole gamut of information

that would give US policymakers an edge in obtaining results favorable to US interests or goals. So that sentence basically said to me that they were prepared to use any means necessary

in order to influence the diplomats on the UN Security Council in voting in favour of a UN resolution that would give authorisation for the invasion of Iraq. Did you hear what I just heard? The UK was being asked to gather intelligence that the US would use to bribe and blackmail smaller nations, individuals, UN diplomats, to force them into voting for a war.

Catherine had never in her wildest dreams imagined she would be a whistleblower accused of betraying her country. I had joined in January 2001, along with a cohort of about 11 other recent graduates from university. And it was a very convivial, semi sort of academic environment, which I found on the whole very enjoyable to work in.

But now Catherine's conscience is pricked. She's been in the job for all of two years and she's facing the sort of ethical dilemma most of us will never face. She already has her own doubts about going to war with Iraq. By the time I received that email, I had myself become fairly convinced that an invasion of Iraq was unjustified. I just felt it was a really bad and dangerous trajectory that the country was being led down.

You want to act, to do something. But what? What are the choices? Do nothing? Knowing that intelligence is being manipulated to take a country to war? Or share what you know? For the greater good. If you do, you will be prosecuted and imprisoned. As a traitor? Take a moment. Think. What would you do? Stand by your principles? Or just do your job?

When I read the email, I immediately felt the explosive nature of that email. And so I felt if the public and members of parliament within the UK had access to this information, they would use it and pressure the government to explain

exactly what their motivations, what their policy was with regard to this. So it almost entered my mind straight away that I should leak that email. I felt the stakes were so high, that the cost to innocent life was so high, I had basically a duty to get it out. So Catherine decides she will somehow expose the contents of the memo.

She begins to plan how she will do it, but she's not experienced in this level of espionage. Will her fear, her emotions get the better of her? Can she do it? Remember, act normal. Nothing's out of place. Nothing is unusual. Just an ordinary Monday in the office. I knew that on Monday I would be going back into work, but I would be at a different desk. I would log into an alternative computer. Of course, once I started thinking

and if you like, conspiring to commit a crime, I felt as though I had a target on my back. I felt as though everybody could see the guilt on my face. So from the beginning to the end of the day, I was trying to remain as nonchalant and as normal as usual, even though I felt like I was on some kind of high alert.

So I sat down at the alternative computer in the other section of GCHQ. I brought up the email, I copied and pasted it into a note document and then I printed it off. I whipped it off the printer, folded it up and shoved it into my handbag.

And for the rest of the day, it felt as though it was burning a hole through my handbag. She's done it. She's printed the memo. Now she has to get it out of GCHQ and not give anything away as she passes security. By this point, you know, the thought of leaving and going past security had raised my level of anxiety considerably.

But again, I was trying to remain as cool as a cucumber. And so I did just kind of sling the bag on my shoulder and hope that at the time, the very, very almost non-existent searches of bags and so on, I hoped, you know, I wouldn't be that one in the 100,000 or whatever, and that I could just walk right through security without anybody suspecting.

As it happens, that's what happened. I just sailed right through. The moment she steps out of GCHQ, Catherine breaks the Official Secrets Act, a criminal act which could carry a prison term of up to 14 years. But she printed that memo for a reason. She wants it exposed. She knows the price: prison. But if someone in the press saw the memo, they might ask questions about what the US was asking the UK to do.

Who could she turn to for help? I had absolutely no connection with any journalist. I didn't know a single person in the media world. It didn't really occur to me to go directly to any particular journalist. However, I did know one person whose identity I've never revealed, but

I knew that they had made contact with a journalist. So I telephoned this person and I said over the phone, "I have some information that is explosive. It has the potential to make a difference in this trajectory towards war." And they said, "Send it to me."

Catherine is so paranoid about the contents of her letter, she cycles over a mile away from her home to post the envelope. She has taken the name off the memo inside, so she's anonymous. Now she waits to see what happens next. Here's where the journalist comes in. Martin Bright is a journalist on the Observer newspaper in London. He's the home affairs editor. Crime, prisons, intelligence, terrorism. That sort of thing. He receives a call.

So the first time I heard anything about this memo was when I was sitting in the office and I received a call from Yvonne Ridley, who was a former colleague of mine. She was a very seasoned journalist.

and she'd become famous in recent years because she had been reporting in Afghanistan and being captured by the Taliban. And during her time in captivity, she had promised her captors that she would read the Quran. And through the process of reading the Quran, she converted to Islam. And when she came back to the UK, she became a very prominent anti-war campaigner.

A lot of people dismissed her as someone who had ceased to be a credible journalist and someone who had certainly pinned her colours to the mast. So that was my first connection, was a simple phone call from an old friend in contact. But Yvonne wasn't just calling an old friend for a chat about the weather. She told Martin she had something he should see. And we met up in a cafe in Soho in central London.

and she slipped across the table to me a piece of paper which had the memo printed on it, an email printed on it, on one side. But at that stage it was immensely frustrating because someone, somewhere, whether it was Yvonne or Catherine's intermediary or Catherine herself, I didn't know, someone had ripped off all the header information from the email.

in order to protect their sources, protect or to hide where this had come from. So the first thing I said to Yvonne was this is of absolutely no use to me because it could have been typed by anyone. It could be typed by Yvonne herself. So she then turned the

piece of paper over on the back were handwritten the details of the sender, where it had come from, which suggested that it had come from the NSA to GCHQ. And when I started reading the contents of the memo, it was extraordinary, explosive information suggesting that the voting at the United Nations had been subverted by

this operation that was going on between the UK and the US. Martin felt he knew this was big. You know, this was one of those moments where you get a tingle up your spine as a journalist. And I knew that if this was true, it would be a really huge story. Public opinion against the war and the US is mounting. In February 2003, hundreds of thousands of people take to the streets in protest.

described at the time as the biggest demonstration in human history. But Martin has a dilemma. He has in his possession a memo that will expose the Dirty Tricks campaign by the US and possibly stop the war. But there is a problem. His newspaper and his editor support the war and the government. The Observer newspaper in the UK is generally considered to be a liberal newspaper, a paper of the left.

But the editor, Roger Alton, at the time, who himself had come from The Guardian newspaper, a daily newspaper, which is also considered to be a paper of the left, had really wanted to shift this perception. And he really had decided that he was going to back Tony Blair, the push to war, and shift The Observer away from its traditional liberal past. And there were a number of people in the newspaper who backed his decision.

But there were others in the paper who were deeply and bitterly opposed to this, in particular our US correspondent Ed Fuliami. And there were those of us, I suppose, in the middle who attempted to take a neutral stance, which I felt was the appropriate stance for reporting a conflict. So Martin knows he has potentially the biggest story of his career in his hands.

But will the pro-Blair, pro-war newspaper run it? It wasn't easy to persuade my editors to print the story. There are a number of elements to the story that made it difficult. So there was the stance of the paper itself, which was largely pro-intervention. There was the fact that this had come from

what many considered to be an unreliable source, Yvonne Ridley. And there was the fact that this was, on the face of it, just a piece of paper with some words written on it. I hadn't received it directly from my source. I had no proof that it was what it said it was. And there were some who felt that it could be a fake, that it could be some sort of sophisticated foreign intelligence operation.

There were others who felt that maybe it had been in some way concocted by the anti-war movement. And all of these, I suppose, were possible at the time. So really, we were... I mean, I would have loved to have run this story the moment we received the memo, but it did take weeks before we could satisfy ourselves that this was the real thing. If the memo is real, he could go to jail for just having it in his possession.

It's classified material and toxic, not to say illegal, in the wrong hands. He too has now broken the Official Secrets Act. But is it fake? Where is his evidence? The problem is that Martin does not have a source. He does not know who has leaked the memo.

It had allegedly been sent by Frank Koza, allegedly within the National Security Agency, GCHQ's sister organization in the US. It was very important to verify that the sender of the email, a man called Frank Koza, chief of staff of the regional targets department of the National Security Agency in the United States, was real. I mean, we really

had to do everything we could to identify this man. Before Martin can publish the memo, he has to be sure Frank Koza is genuine. How do you find someone high up in the NSA who doesn't want to be found? You can't just Google them. What would you do? Where would you start? So I just did the obvious thing and rang their press office. And of course, they wouldn't confirm the existence of Frank Koza. Oh, that's disappointing.

Is that it then? No one called Frank Koza works at the NSA? Are you sure? But it was my colleague really, Ed Vigliarmi, who was based in New York at the time, who took this story and really wouldn't let it lie. So he rang the NSA every day, several times a day, asking to speak to Frank Koza. And time and time again, he was rebuffed. And it was only when

He spoke to a very senior contact of his that he got the feeling that maybe this man was the real thing. And we don't quite know how, but a few days later, a message was left with the news desk at the Observer that Ed should call a particular number and...

That number was Koza's office and someone answered the phone saying that it was Frank Koza's office. That was what we really needed to prove his existence. A breakthrough. Frank Koza is genuine and works at the NSA. But this takes weeks. Catherine knows none of this. In Catherine's world, nothing has happened since she posted the memo. Was anyone going to take notice? Was it all for nothing?

After I posted the memo, I sort of felt a sense of relief. And I did check for about a week to two weeks after I'd posted it to see whether it had surfaced anywhere in the press.

And there was nothing. And I felt increasingly a sense of relief because I thought, well, you know, I really had stuck my neck out. And perhaps, you know, perhaps it was not really that newsworthy. I was beginning to have doubts about the importance of the email. Meanwhile, Martin was still trying to persuade his paper to publish and be damned.

What it meant when we finally verified to the best of our ability the identity of Frank Koza is that we had a pretty good case to go into the editor and argue that we should run the story. The story is going to run. Catherine has no idea what she has leaked is about to become headline news and an international sensation.

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My heart literally stopped the minute I saw that headline because I knew that's what I had leaked. And so I was petrified again. I felt like I had a target on my back and that I had a neon sign on the front of my forehead saying, guilty. And so I picked up the paper and stumbled to the cashier, tried to pay for it without looking like I was freaking out at the same time.

and then literally practically ran home. I basically burst into tears. The Observer headline revealed, "U.S. Dirty Tricks to Win Vote on Iraq War." Catherine isn't identified. She is still anonymous. But she is shocked and distressed. They had printed the whole memo. Catherine had told no one what she had done. But now the story was out, there was someone who now needed to know.

I threw the paper on the bed. My husband woke up and, you know, looked at me and I hadn't told him anything at all about what I had done. So when he saw me in the state that I was in, he was, you know, worried and perplexed. And I was just literally terrified. I pointed at the headline, I pointed at the front page, and I sort of babbled, "I did that."

And my husband is from Turkey, so English is not his first language, but he started reading and he couldn't really make head nor tail of what was really being said in the report. And so I had to try and explain it to him, and so I told him what I had done. And I said I'd been trying to stop the war in Iraq.

and that I wanted people to know about the duplicitous and illegal behavior that was going on behind the scenes. And I just continued to have this sort of breakdown, basically. And my husband, you know, was understandably extremely concerned, but he kept impressing upon me, "Do not tell anybody. Keep shtum."

Martin's reaction was quite different. It's one of the great moments of a journalist's life when they get a big front page splash, as it's called. Seeing a story of this importance, you know, when you wake up on a Sunday morning and you know that there are thousands of newspapers around the country with this headline on it,

It's a big moment for a journalist. Their feelings may have been very different, but for both of them, there were to be consequences. The story had gone global. Immediately, as soon as it was printed, the response was international because this involved the UN, the USA, and several specific countries around the world. And the nations who'd been spied on were themselves pretty astonished by this.

So, in particular in Chile in South America and Mexico in Central America, this was a story that was devastating for them. It's very rare that you have a story that has that amount of international cut-through. And that cut-through had certainly been noticed at GCHQ. The government immediately began an investigation. On Monday morning, Catherine watches as one by one her colleagues are pulled into an interrogation. They want to find the leak, and quickly.

Tuesday morning. Catherine's turn. Her heart is pounding. Will it give her away? Can she withstand interrogation? She's grilled about her childhood, where she lived, what she thought, her religious views. Did she know who was the source? What would you say? Two choices: yes or no. If Catherine says yes, she will be arrested as a traitor. She could deny it. She could lie. And then what? You have a split second to decide.

You can't show any emotion, treason or lies. What would you do? I denied having anything to do with it. So following my husband's, some would say, good advice, I said that I had read the email, that it had not that much of an effect on my thinking and that I had deleted it. The fact that

I would have to maintain consistently that lie for the rest of my potential career at GCHQ seemed absolutely galling. She had lied. She went home, heavy with the burden of her denial. But at home, she came to a decision. She couldn't lead a double life and continued to lie on a daily basis, pretending she had nothing to do with the leak. And the US was dismissing the memo as a fake.

There was no source. No one had admitted to the leak. They were going to get away with it. Get away with spying on the United Nations diplomats to force the case for war. She couldn't have that on her conscience. If Catherine admitted to being the leak, it would prove the memo was genuine. So she did something extraordinary. The next day at GCHQ, she confessed. And I just blurted out that it was me, that I'd done it. The reaction was swift.

I was taken into police custody in Cheltenham Police Station. While I was in custody, a group came down from London to search my house. I was kept overnight. And then I was interviewed the following morning by special branch detectives. And then I was bailed.

It would take eight months for the Crown Prosecution Service to bring charges against Catherine and a year to bring her to court. Despite Catherine leaking the memo and Martin putting his career on the line to publish it, the Iraq War went ahead just two weeks after the story hit the headlines. On the 20th of March 2003, US and coalition forces invaded Iraq. Had she failed? Had they both failed?

I did watch the official launch of the so-called shock and awe campaign over Baghdad when they basically blitzed the city with Tomahawk missiles. It was absolutely devastating. Yeah, I wept and it's still very emotional.

You have a whole mixture of feelings as a news reporter. You're there excited in some ways to be witnessing history as it's happening and being part of a reporting team that's witnessing as it's happening. And for me, you see, as a reporter, it's not my job to stop a war or intervene in history. It's to report on history. So my initial emotions were...

emotions of excitement to be part of this process as a reporter. But the thing about being a journalist is there's always the flip side, which is that this involves real people, that as the bombs land, you know that lives are being lost. And so there's a terrible feeling of sadness at the same time. Catherine is facing trial for breaking the Official Secrets Act. How will she be viewed? As morally right?

or a traitor to her country what do you think her job had been to monitor intelligence for the foreign office and ministry of defense how was the spying the us had asked for any different catherine prepares her defense which is she had tried to stop an illegal war the attorney general at the time lord goldsmith had declared the war legal but it had not been a straightforward decision

At the time Catherine leaked the memo, the defence had evidence that he had, at that point, declared the war illegal and that later, after meetings in the US, he had changed his mind. The defence, her defence, was "the defence of necessity, a necessary act to prevent loss of life, of thousands of lives". It's now a year since Catherine took that decision to walk out of GCHQ with the top secret memo in her handbag and her trial in London is about to begin.

Catherine's role in the leak is public. She is known as the spy who had exposed the US request to gather personal information to blackmail and bribe UN delegates to vote for war. Catherine is the focus of international attention. It was a huge media circus on the day of Catherine's trial at the Old Bailey. It was an international story. There were TV cameras everywhere. There were journalists everywhere.

So it was feverish. And so my impression of Catherine at this time was this small, young woman in the middle of this incredible international media event. And it was very moving because you're watching someone who has taken a huge risk with their career, with their livelihood,

in order to stand up for her principles. Let me remind you what is at stake. It's not just a news story. This is a pivotal moment in Catherine's life. If found guilty, she is going to prison. A criminal. She's already lost her job, her colleagues, her friends, her life. And it's her alone against the government. I was very nervous about appearing at the Old Bailey.

There were crowds of photographers and journalists lined up outside. And it's a very daunting, quite an overwhelming place to be in when your opposition is the government. And it felt very surreal, kind of like an out-of-body experience. It's hard to really explain it because

I had nothing to compare it to. It was as sort of I was experiencing at the time and not able to take it all in at the same time. Katherine's defense hinged on the legality of the Iraq War. The trial would unpick all the decisions by the UK government leading up to the decision to use military force. Katherine was ready. She stated her name and her plea, not guilty.

The defense would produce documents to show that the country had been taken to war illegally and therefore could be guilty of war crimes. The government didn't take that risk. As Catherine stood in the dock, Martin watching from the public gallery, the court was astounded when the prosecution suddenly dropped all charges. "The prosecution would offer no evidence," they said. Catherine was told she was free to go.

It takes a moment for you to register what they're actually saying. But as soon as the prosecution made that statement, there was sort of a gasp and maybe a cheer. And, you know, I just felt, I felt a huge sense of relief because when it became apparent that that was actually going to be the end of it all, not the beginning of it all,

where I would be hauled over the coals in a long protracted trial, that that actually was the end and that my whole year-long ordeal was finished. It was just overwhelming sense of relief. Katherine and Martin had failed in stopping a war with Iraq, but they had caused alarm around the world.

The leaking of the memo contributed to the UN refusing to back the war, which later the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said was an illegal act that contravened the UN Charter. After all that happened, do they have any regrets? The Katherine Gunn case has been the defining story of my journalistic career and I think that if I've got any regrets it would be that we didn't find a way of printing the story earlier.

and that we didn't get an international alliance of journalists to really look into what was going on, in particular in the United States. And I mean, I would say that if we changed anything, I mean, collectively, it was to demonstrate that the government's case for war was deeply flawed. And I think what Catherine managed to do, even though she didn't stop the war, is

to contribute to stopping the United States and the UK having United Nations cover to go to war. So they didn't have that diplomatic international alliance that they wanted and I think Catherine can take some of the credit for that. What about Catherine? I have no regrets about what I did, about leaking the memo.

I would still do it if I was in the same position again. I do have mixed feelings, however, about the trial or the lack of a proper trial. Over the years subsequent, I've wondered if, in fact, that wasn't a deliberate move on the part of the government to prevent further exposés, to prevent...

further light being shone on what was a very dark and dirty moment in our history. And so I feel almost resentful that they did actually drop the charges against me. Most whistleblowers leak after the event to expose perceived wrongdoing. Catherine did something unprecedented in the history of espionage. She disclosed details of a spying operation as it was happening.

a moral decision to stop something terrible happening in the future. Catherine is now a housewife and mum. She never worked again. She had a promising career and in two years, it was blown apart. Now you've heard the story, what do you think? Is Catherine Gunn vindicated? Would you have done the same to stop a war? I'm Hayley Atwell.

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