E63: Insurrection indictments, human rights in the US and abroad, groundbreaking MS study and more
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got crazy.

Are we're really going to do this as the top story. I mean, the third time we've tried to do this story, do we give the background sex or no?

We would have had to do IT over over again if you didn't .

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First one you killed.

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you killed the no. The first one.

you yeah because IT wasn't even on the docket and IT wasn't IT wasn't even news worthy.

Okay, in the second one I killed .

because you came across like a star raving lunatic.

I Spiked at the second time because I was so infuriated by your .

caviar attitude towards IT attitude cus on making .

points here. I was so .

correct. I was so correct.

The two of you, let go. Let go.

You guys got this idiot tried to blame his own history on me.

You said that january six was overblown. And of course.

now I said I was a disGrace. I said I was an embarrassment. He was an embracing to the country.

I said I was wrong. But you want to inflate IT you you're engaging in in classic washington thread inflation? no. And and there's two problems with that.

One is you're going to take your eye off the bulk of the real issues facing the country, like inflation, the economy and economic anxiety, like covet, like crime, like schools. I mean, these are the issues that americans care about, not you know, a riot that happened over a year ago. And if you and the democrats keep talking about this and focus on IT on M S A, B C to the exclusion of the issues, I really matter.

I'll see you in november because reading get slaughter in this midterm elections going to be a landslide. But the other problem with IT is with the threat inflation, is that IT justifies the expansion of surveilLance powers and prosecutor powers by the just department, by the, by the, by the just department. Other brains for a government who want to basically go after you.

This is so called domestic terrorism that will lead to infringement on civil liberties, just like the expansion of those agencies did after nine eleven. And so I think we shall be like concerned about IT. Now, are these oth keepers of bunch idiots? Yeah, there were eleven others epes at that rally.

They broke into the city provi pack. And that says, old keeper, lifetime member is not credible .

to you exactly. I mean, look, these guys are they're not like the antia, right? You know, people in port lin who are trying to burn down buildings or h or chaste bude's parents who are domestic terrorists.

I mean, yeah, this is a small number of nuckles heads who broke into the capital. They be prosecuted. They're guilty of of saying this leaders saying in temperate things. But was this going to be a coup to take over the capital? I don't think so. If you focus on that to the exclusion of the real issues faced in the country, like I said, this landside de november, this red waves can be even bigger.

Just to your point about my focus, uh, every week here on the number one tech podcast on the world and on the number six tech podcast in the world this week, startups, I focus on all of those issues. But let's read because we can chew gum and walk at the same time. Let's read what happened. On thursday, FBI arrested eleven members of the old keepers on tradition charges, and the house committee suppered facebook, google, edit, twitter after insufficient responses to the january six rights or interaction which ever turn you prefer the leader, uh, of the oath keepers, which is an organization that claims over thirty thousand members, primarily in the military and police.

Okay, we will hold on second if this was their big moment to stage a coup and take over the government. why? We're only eleven of the thirty thousand there.

The eleven were invited. David.

there were there.

Well, we don't know yet. But last week you said you said there was no coordinated attack and now .

we have profit, said you look, you can't veto the segment from last week and .

then try to claim that. I said so well.

let me get IT. Can I get through this story or .

keep but for interruption? Or would you .

like to just keep monolog ing? What are you reading? Want you just give us the link that the dist go to .

get the actual people? So here, while certain deeper members in the phillies side washing dc breached ital grounds, and others remain station just outside the city in Q, R, F teams. These are quick response teams ah that had weapons and they transported firearms into washington, D C. And these in support uh Operations were aimed at using force to stop the law full transfer of presidential power, according to our department of justice, which is majority republican. Obviously, the enforcement is republican.

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IT is a fortunate the old keepers .

signal is an encrypt ChatApp .

that's not supposed to any back doors. But obviously there are some plant. Here are some of roads.

As comments, we aren't getting through this without a civil war. Too late for that. Prepare your mind, body and spirit.

IT will be a bloody and desperation. Y, we are going to have to fight. This cannot be avoided if we want .

to make the january to stop. Well, first to say, I see that at primarily as a media story what happened happened obviously IT was a disGrace and embarrassed of black eyes for the country and not supporting or defending anyone.

I think ten to think these earth keepers um IT was not like a super organized conservative effort to take over the government is somewhere it's basically a bunch of loud mouse who you engaged in a right? Maybe there is more planning in preparation. Fine, the court case will bear this out.

And if they can prove that IT was what you said, I was great. Let him go to jail. I have no desire defend them, but I also think that the grand scheme of things, this whole things been blown completely out proportion. If you watch M S N B C, it's all generate six all the time. And you know if democracy going to focus on this issue for the next ten months, and you know who Roger stone was photographed on a sidewalk ck with, which was the big story of the other day, this red wave in november can be an even bigger wave. I'm just telling you right now because it's not what the average voter in the country cares about.

I think you're write about that. I think you're write about agree with that.

I think you know M S N B C is focused on this and foxes focused on fake voter fraud. And I we've been pretty clear here that none of us agreed with either of the extremes of media coverage. I do think this is an issue .

worth voter raud you talking about that? The guy who who's obsessed right now with voter fraud is biden. He just gave a speech, a very contemporary speech, saying that if you don't support his new voting rights acts, that you're on the side of bull conner and jeffson, there was some .

political careers there. He had to do that because he was also trying to basically pulls through the ability to get this, you know, phillip ster thing passed in the senate. So he he basically had to play a relatively weekend and and you know again on what happened again legislatively is that his own party said no enough in .

this case was Christian cinema, who based we said no and the build back Better bill collapse, we said they're going to try pivot to voting rights to change the subject even though was D. O. A. But there is something that biden could do or could have done ah that I think would be a bipartisan reform, which is to reform the electoral contact.

I mean, what happened in november if you're concerned about trump and you this aversion, the potential to convert the election and the way he tried to influence pens to stop accounting the electors, if you're concerned about all that, there is a fix for that, which is the electro account act of eighteen eighty seven. It's completely adequate, obviously has spent around for over hundred years. There is bye tian support for fixing that. The wall street general electoral .

page has come out for .

a audience well as to say as a law that that govern how these electors in the electoral college get countered up and certified so that you the election gets certified. So and David Brooks, at that piece at the trial, shared the europe, which is the prom we have right now, is not in the actual voting, is in the if you're worried about what happened in this past november, it's in the surfaces of the voting.

And you know, what Brooks is writing about is a lot of social science saying that in a lot of these rules that democrats, republicans are really focused on around the convenience of the election, don't really influence the number of people who vote, people who vote, people who want to vote, vote people who don't. don't. We're getting hung up on the wrong thing, which is your these voter ID laws.

What really matters is the certification of the electoral college. And you could find, biden could find. I think there's a number of republicans who would support the clarification of that law, updating of IT so that what potentially could have happened in, in january if pants I got along with this plan to basic reject the accounting of the elevators. I mean, everyone understood that was to ceremony.

right? That was of that plan of trump's plan.

I think that trump had a right to air his grivet ces in court. But once the court throughout his claims and rejected them, and once the stream court next society, IT was over, IT was over, the stream court has the final word in our democracy about legal matters. And so no pants never had the authority or the ability under the electoral contact to reject the counting, the electors.

That whole process is ceremony. But but the mirror fact is an even even an issue suggest that we should fix IT. We should go back and fix the electrical count of one hundred and eighty seven. So I look you could buy and could have gotten sixty votes for that. You know I think that .

was he can get he can get votes for that. He can also get votes to um stop uh the insider trading of members of uh, congress. He get right.

So why isn't he focus? Why isn't he focused on things where he can actually get a bypassing majority? Has one big legislative success as present has been the infrastructure bill where he got a bunch of republican support.

which is a pretty big one.

Those are the types issues he should be focused on. And instead he's giving these no speeches, saying anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda on voting rights is basically in this.

Did you guys hear his speech the other day on c about covet? I mean, he was so incoherent IT was kinder, scary. He feels like he's in cognitive.

The cognitive decline is. I voted for the guy, and I need to get trump out of office. Said that there was an existence. Al, rest. But man, he is cognitively declining quickly.

I mean, I think the crazier thing about covered was this. Rachael lands interview me like, why does IT take two years into a pandemic to tell us what we kind of anecdotally knew? But if we had known up front or sooner, we would have completely Rachel l lsi. Dozen interviews. He is the head of the cdc, and he said, well, IT turns out that seventy five percent of all the deaths uh, because of covered, were people that suffered from at least four commodity ties at least four not me to my IT wasn't all is I think was .

a subset defined by IT might have been like vaccine test or something like that I was IT was one study but yes, that was basically the conclusion absolutely is significant comorbidities among people who died.

And so if if we had known that, don't you think i'm in freedoms? G, you tell me, but wouldn't we have to changed our response to just mask and just kind of like start living our Normal lives in people with four co mobility or people at a certain age? Compromise should have stayed home, and we would be in a very different situation.

So, you know, I mean, I understand Jason and the biden didn't the last few speeches have been a little type, you know, I mean, I think lock the the queen pack call pole the neck you can post. I mean, look, his ratings are just plume, plume. Ting, I mean, is down to trouble levels every week.

And so he is definitely searching for a handful of wins. I don't think he's strategically found the right ones. He could have done something on certifying electoral college.

He could certainly do something right now on inside trading laws for, uh, members of congress. But instead, we're focusing on all these random things. But anyway.

you can get the insight training pass. But but yeah, I think this is something that would get a huge bypass, an major's ney.

but she's gonna SE anyway. So he might have all just thrown into the bus. You're right. This is about his political salvation over hers. By the way, you guys saw this. I mention this in the group that someone floated the trial balloon of dumping communal Harris and replacing a with liz chain. This is how bad things have gotten for the democrats had floated the trial of a biden chain in four .

cross over ticket. I we talked about this a uh, for a couple years in private pok. I think I think a cross over ticket is what the country needs to kind of get back to center. And I know it's a crazy concept and it's a one percent chance, but I can't like the cross over but things i've gotten so bad for the democrats now that I sort of said sax floated this um or prefer ated IT were a little debate on the twitter but I have you remember two or three episodes o sax said he listen this going to be a new appreciation for clinton and not ten days later the wall street journal and .

a bunch of people are floating Hillary .

coming back run I know that but I think you either you are in your star chAmber in doing a prefer at on all in so then the backup in the you know pub Hillary as that or IT is people are listening to you're that .

i'm proposing is a by an engage in clintonian by which I mean billing tonio a regulation which is he does not have the votes in congress to enact a progressive agenda. He should be looking for bypass san wins he did with the infrastructure bill he could do with the science trading thing he could do IT on the electronic contact. These are things that would be, you know.

progress yeah the policy .

and importantly, momentum momentum going into twenty four and .

maybe good for americans like, I mean, his china policy. The fact that he came out with the statement on the wagers I thought was very strong. You know one of the stronger things he did, but it's not coming up in the polls. And I think that whole republicans interesting.

nobody is body cares about what's happened to the week because you bring IT up because you really care. And I think that's nice to care. The rest of us don't care.

I'm just telling you are hard telling you very telling you a very hard, ugly truth. Okay, of all the things that I care about, yes, IT is below my line. Okay, of all the things that I care about, IT is below my line. disappointing. Well.

I think people, if if you explain them, was happening to the weaker in china. They care, but it's not top of mind for them. That's mine right now. Go the grocery store and the .

elves sure that I care about. Yeah, I, I, I care about the fact that our economy could turn on the time if china invaded in taiwan. I care about that. I care about climate change, you know, I care about a bunch, err, I care about america's crippling and you decrepit in healthcare infrastructure.

But if you're asking me, do I care about a segment of a class of people in another country? Not until we can take care of ourselves will I prioritize them over us. And I think a lot of people believe that.

And i'm sorry if that's a hard truth to hear. But every time I say that I care about the vigers, i'm really just lying if I don't really care. And so i'd rather not lie to you and tell you the truth.

It's not a priority for me and my response that is I think it's a sad state of affairs. Human rights as a concept globally, you know false beneath you know tactical and strategic issues that we have to have.

We need another that's another another belief.

I believe believing in the the human declaration of human rights to believe that all humans should have a basic I think it's a Lucy belief .

and the reason I think it's a luxe belief is we don't do enough domestic to actually express that view in real, tangible way. So until we actually clean up our own house, the idea that we step outside of our borders with me, know with with us, sort of like morely virtue signalling about somebody else's human rights track record is deplorable.

Al, look at the number of black and Brown en that are a look at the number of black and Brown men that are incarcerated for for absolutely dict crimes. I don't know if you saw this past week, but there was a person that was released from jail because he couldn't even be protected in jail, because in some of these cells, they run these fight clubs inside of records land that are basically tally endorsed by the corrections officers that don't do anything. And the so hold on, Jason. So if you want to talk about the human rights of people, I think we have a responsibility to take care of our own backyard first, first, and then we can go and basically merely tell other people how they should be running their own countries.

The differences to math, saying what you just said in china or artie arabia would put you in jail, get you one hundred lashes, and you would be tortured for a decade. We here in the united states are far from perfect. We still have the death penalty, which is against the united declaration of human rights, which we sign, which Eleanor's have all created in the U.

N. And we propagate as americans around the world. We started that trim, and we can have these discussions about being Better in this country.

And the what about ism that your using is so um disproportional to the equivalent of the holocaust on we're talking about a million wagers and concentration campus right now to talk about what we have here that we need to fix and compare IT to that or to saudi arabia wiping bloggers and throwing gay people off roof for being gay. These two things are not morally comparable. They are very far. And we need to have open discussions and talk about human rights all the time. Because if we do not talk about IT all the time, then your position, which is I don't have time for that, I want to solve my problems, then gives the Green light to dictators everywhere that nobody's watching the vigiLance .

and that's what I find and I I did we hold I said, true. You said you can't get afford yeah so tell tell me, how are you are you saying that the the situation of the wagers is the same as the holocaust .

people who are jewish are making .

that comparison. You're never masking you. I think IT.

there are upwards of a million people in a concentration camp right now. This is getting to numbers that are actually comparable. IT is actually a valid compare.

There are million people in a concentration camp. That is the numbers that human rights organza are saying. Between three hundred thousand and a million people are incarcerated right now, being tortured, raped and in doing force sterilization, reeducation and when they released.

are being tracked in gatos. And just being tiring ing this you're in the entire world is basically decided that that doesn't matter.

You just said you can get off. I'm talking about you .

specially about getting up. Who is that?

I am very talked about all the time.

every way about the the biden just .

said we are going to do a ban and we are going to, uh, sanctions companies that do business in that region.

So apple and and tesla, I think there .

will be increased pressure on all companies that are engaging in china over it's good goods .

that are source from those areas, right? Yes, it's not doing business areas. If your supply .

chain .

is from area so well.

if you want to have a discussion about this, you know it's how do we disengage from china? We ve had this discussion here. How what amount of time will you take to disengage from countries that have brutal dictor ships that are committing human write again?

Look, I I think i'm spending a lot of time and money actually trying to fortify amErica supply chain. You guys know about some of the things that i'm doing. I'm i'm not doing that from a moral perspective. I'm doing that from practical capitalist perspective. I think the jobs are Better served for americans, and I think that we should have the ability to build our own businesses, just like china has the right to do for themselves, without the risk of these things being undercut by policies that we don't understand, which is effectively what you do when you outsor your supply chain to countries where you're not one hundred .

percent of line .

with them yeah and their decades PS. So again, i'm not I I am not even sure that that is china is a deader ship the way that you want to call IT. That again, I think one country that's in the name, but you have to understand this, there are a set of checking baLances here on china that.

You know, at the end of the day, I don't think that I have the moral absolutism to judge china, and I would say that when nato is silent, the united nations is silent, all of western europe is silent in america, effectively silent, that this issue may be small data points being extrapolated in a way to create a narrative that maybe not be true. And if IT is true, Jason, there is a responsibility for those body politics to do something, because that is the early warning signal that the rest of the world uses to say, okay, hold on, let me be prioritize my list of things. So I guess what i'm saying is I am not gonna an armchair journalists on this topic, nor i'm going to be the armchair human rights advocate for the world, because I just don't know.

I can focus on the things that I know about, build the things that I know about. And if something really does get red lights status, then other parties will do something. And again, I just want to be clear.

Nato is silent. United nations is silent. AmErica is silent. A press release doesn't change the actual technical post on these topics.

Okay, if if your position is that human rights matters to you, if government, large government organizations or politicians, uh, give you the Green, like to care about IT, that's fine. I care about IT intrinsically everyday.

great. I'm fine with you doing that.

I thought there was a same way they are talking about the radler thing that freedom cares about. I mean, this is mean, this debate that you are having between kind of realism and idealism and foreign policy is sort of what doi o tackles, right?

People look I mean IT sounds to me like there's um let's just say a red hearing. There always needs to be a champ points out of tips. I'm framing our enemy when you know you're running out a land.

I mean you guys saw this. I was in a journal article and york kinds article that came out today that U. S. Intelligence revealed that putin had actually uh put some actors into the eastern 的 ukraine uh to set up for uh a reason to have a response and therefore an excuse to invade ukraine so he was trying to create a bit of a firework show to give an excuse。 We always need a narrative that we can sell to A A our our citizens.

And so know there's not gonna be a lot of you know padding on the back of china right now, as we've talked about, there is this overarching multi hundred year economic cycle called geopolitical cycle, that the united states in china are about to clash on. And in order for them to clash effectively, we need to get the narrow right, which is to paint them as the bad guy and to make things evil. And look, I mean, you may take your ethical framework and say that they are bad, and you be able to take other parts of ethical framework and, looking objectively, call some countries that you consider good dad as well, depending on what story you want to tell yourself and what story you want to be told.

And I think that's what's going on and will continue to go on for a long period time. And this this weaker thing is at to not point out how do you measure on an absolute basis human rights? I don't think that there is a way to do so.

Whether it's one person getting tortured publicly in the street or one hundred thousand people being suppressed economically and not being able to to get jobs, it's hard to say what is appropriate, what is not, what is evil, what is not. At the end of the day, we we create negative and that narrow a laws. The bigger picture to kind of play itself.

And I think that's what's going on largely. And I don't think we're gna hear a lot of good news about china for the next decade from any politician in united states or anyone that wants to defend our political and economic interests globally, which are certainly being chAllenged by china right now. I don't know.

That's my die. Tried that the doo I look at dolla obviously does a great job of color simplifying and eloquently stating what's going on. But I think this is one of many, many manifestations of IT.

You need only read what the U. N. M C. International human rights watch, the guarding in the new york times, you know, this is not for question. Why do you think .

you're so wounded up about this and you're not wounded up about what's going on? Soma, no, you're not wound up about what's going on in a you're not found up about hold on what's going on in eastern ukraine.

Hold on a second. There are human rights violations all over the world I comment on on them, and i've commented on them for decades. Since I worked at M S.

National hamil y international, which is I wear. I started in my career. I've been passionate about this ince, the age of eighteen or nineteen when I worked at amnesty international. You said that you cannot a grade these things, right? Uh, you just said, like, it's hard to compare these things.

And this is a problem, like you can actually do, that there are human rights violations like freedom of speech, which you know is a great aspiration, but we would say torture, murder, systematic rape and specialization are more intense and horrific than just freedom of speech. So if you look at hong kong g when they shut down apple news, that's one level of human rights, right? People have lost their ability speak, telling hundreds of this in that story. These are factors. Apple news will shut down.

You are telling a fact about a particular, a particular set of experiences that are particularly harming a set of people. Let me give you another fact. In the united states, where we have a population of, let's be generous, m and say, four hundred million people, two point three million, forty million, three hundred forty million americans, two point three million of whom are incarcerated, absolutely.

In china, with a population of one point four billion, one point seven million chinese are incarcerated, absolutely something we have to do. Where is human rights being violated on an absolute basis? It's a very difficult conversation to use facts and figures because at the end of the day, there's a lot of data that can be pointed the other way.

And so IT all comes down to narrative, and that narrative always has an objective, which is, what are you trying to get people to believe? And what are you trying to get them to get behind and get to do? yes. And what do you try to .

justify tree work?

They don't have a drug problem over there. They killed all the drug dealers now put them up in the walls, shot tom. So you know they just .

send their fetching fair enough.

But i'm just saying like look, and it's it's a very good point, which is you can actually take the data and you can slice IT and tell different stories around IT. But at the end of the day, it's very hard to say those good and there's people that we have to go on attack and and that is what is going.

Never said attack, I never say to I think we should talk with the temperature, raise the temperature. Now I do not say that either. If you want to know what I think should happen.

Political pressure on, right? I think when people are involved in torture, murder, rape and sterilizing people, that there should be economic. And this ageing that occurs as a first step.

And that that is why when people in our circles in venture capital take money from somebody who murdered a journalist, mohammed been salin, uh M B S. From, uh, saudi, we should disengage from a country like that. I believe that that is what we should do.

And I believe like us, I believe people like us who are capital allocators and craters and who are influences should be talking about human rights all the time. And we should be familiar with the universal declaration of human rights. And we should read what's in IT, and we should aspire to hit those notes in our country and everywhere else.

And this, me too, ism, i'm sorry, you equivalency problem that you guys keep bringing up, that is a trap. That is an intellectual trap, because there is no equivalency from putting a detained a million people, putting hundreds of thousands of them in torturing them, to what's happening in the united states, where we rose the universal declaration of human rights and where we can have conversations about IT. If you try to have a conversation, we are not here. We would all be tortured in saudi abia. We would all be tortured in detained inside of china.

I just think that there's a very dangerous thing that you're doing, which is you are ranking and which is essentially assigning some sort of flutist call IT economic value to those things that you just just described, torture, rape for sterilization.

But I think that you're ignoring how do you actually economically rank systemic racism in the united states? What happens in our inner school system, inner city school system? What happens to black and Brown men? What happens to the families of those people? What happens to how the lobbies basically break down the health care system? I all i'm saying is, Jason, if you take your argument to the extreme, you start to get into all these areas of gray where it's impossible to assign economic realities to those things so that you can actually rank rate. That's why I do think that yeah because what .

we were talking about, mira, no, no, I I saying one is proportionally different. sure. I'm not putting economic and .

every those really bad things happen ten times and these kind of bad things happen ten, ten thousand times.

which ones worse? I think if you asked anybody who is .

in .

a vigor prison being asked if.

Jason, i'm asking a question, if ten people, ten wagers, were raped to force the ized, or is ten million black men falsely incarcerated, which one is worse?

Yeah, this is not the waited to the calculus you can do on an individual basis. You can look at an individual inside of a prison being tortured and an individual living in the next states. Every single person who is inside of that torture chAmber being raved, being stylized, would say, I would absolutely love to come to america.

That's why everybody wants to come to this country and live in a free democracy, where they can speak freely, they can prex whatever religion they want and not be tortured. And what you are doing by adding up all the tiny pain and suffering that we have here in america, and then, you know, trying to conflict that with these horrific acts, you have to look at exactly how horrific these are on an individual basis, just like we do with George boyd. We see George ford happen.

That is something that is absolutely worth being outraged about at a higher left right, you have to stop her second to say, oh my god, this has to be resolved. We can do these two things at the same time. We can refine our education system of George gets actually. The wagers being realized.

I think, gets my point because there's been a numeral number of black men that have been murdered with nary a thing that ever happened in the united states. But IT happened in an exact moment where the sum of all of these other things that happened before had just compounded to point where the whole things build over. And enough people decided to basically say, the same total of this damage now is the equivalent of a very meaningful human rights.

You can work on both these things at the same time, is my point. And and this and this, you're basically giving a pass by by kind of conflicting these two things in my mind. You can work on both these issues. You can want to stop a horn, torture and murder and rape while wanting to make our justice system Better, while wanting to make our education system Better. You don't have to pick one jump.

I think you do actually.

no, you do not. We could absolutely create .

nothing I can do about the weaker in china.

There is you could not capital allocate to regions or the companies that are. And if you do see one, you do that. And you I, because I can get out of china what you talking about, do you take money? No, I make a more.

And you make a moral decision about that. No, okay. If you did get to offered a billion dollars, would you take IT from them?

And by the way, to be honest, there's a bunch of my companies that have been supported by folks who have taken money from them. And I know a problem when I look well. What's the bigger problem is that that the solution that these guys are that they're designing for mental health or diabetes or you know housing or whatever IT is the start up does when they take money from soup banker ever, all of a sudden day should be cancelled or not be able to do that.

I don't say cancel, just take the money from something different. Nobody say cancelled where I I don't know co, to pick another firm goal men, I don't know who doesn't take .

something to the united states, create a program or whether you get we ever get a term sheet from south bank. Anybody with money from didn't say that if you should just be able to go in redeem IT for some somebody else .

is I never said that either. I think each individual, a capital allocation yourself in A C, E, O, should make what they believe is a morally right decision.

While they vote IT and they don't care about this issue, they vote with their dogs everyday that people .

should care about human rights and you care about who they make money for. I know i'm a one voice. I know i'm a one voice, but I believe you should care about I.

not I, something very little. I'm not saying that what you believe is wrong. In fact, I think is beautiful and wholeheartedly right. What i'm saying is when everybody else tries to know there hadn't agree with you in the moment, they're just moral leave virtue signal in a luxury belief that they ve themselves don't exhibit they don't make any changes towards. And it's largely because they don't believe that this is an issue. And i'm just putting IT on the table as IT just is true based on everybody's behavior maybe other than you, I go with you, but everybody else is voting and I would like to change everybody is and I think you can offer your opinion and maybe you will change some people's minds.

I am sure there are some people listening here, and I know there are some founders who who would not take money bank and would not take money from satirical ia, and I know there are some capital allocators who will not take money .

from dictor ships. I think that you you're also forgetting that there there has been as as as IT seems again from very, very far away looking in a lot of things that they have been able to do that is really constructive. You know, they've actually created some pretty decent ties to israel.

We've actually started to create a path to Normal Normalized relations in the middle east. You know they have organized against what could be the real threat there, which is, you know uh A A A nuclear empowered red duran. So just to put things in perspective, Jason, it's kind of like you have to look at the totality of the situation again in the united states today. If you'll just look at that one simple thing, you can cheer pick all kinds of reasons why many other companies shouldn't expect, shouldn't accept american capital because, you know, we don't really exactly what we have our ship together, right?

Proportion of these issues as the saying the world the world is complicated. I mean we had so under the the previous president, they that there can never be like a piece of Alice or a deal between israel and and err powers. And there was a dog agreement where you had three upstage signing petrels with israel in sarabia, allowing flights between Sarah abia and israel for the first time. And that's all because of M B S.

And there is an article, the wall street journal talking about how kingham and actually was holding N B S back on this because you know he's for part of the previous generation who was backing the palestinians and M B S just wants to move forward and actually get a deal done with israel and if the palestinians won't make 给， then he's going before without them and this not me saying this is all street journal. Yeah, we need to dig up that piece so all i'm saying, look, what happened with that journalist was absolutely wrong. But clearly, like foreign relations is very complicated, especially in the middle ast. And it's not clear that like net n sadi .

arabia probably just did the one wrong thing, which is that every country engages in extra judicial killings. They just got cut, right, because I don't think it's fair to say that. So torch, they also killed the journalist.

I think that americans have done that. okay. We've done that as well as for what? absolutely. I don't think you actually have any idea of the extent of what we have done during the course of these words in all of these countries. I don't think you know well, no time. So by saying think the basically nobody knows if we chopped up a journalist who criticize, know who in algabid pe, do you really .

the things we need to aspire to do Better.

And we've border around the middle ast, for twenty years now in afghanistan.

we that we .

supported warlords in afghanistan and we were allied with who are raping Young boys. I mean, this was like a series of articles in the york times.

india a and contract. I mean, we've been doing this in, but even more .

recently in libya, we basically got rid of good office and planted the whole country into civil war and has never recovered from IT. So look, I I actually, Jason, i'm somewhere between I actually agree with your idealism, my mind still blown that you actually work for m cy international. But I just think that the world is more complicated than that. And sometimes we have to make choices. And the thing that concerns me is that that ideal isn't that you're sighting has become a pre ude in a pretext for war in .

the over last twenty .

years and we around lobe getting into these conflicts, libya, syria.

right? Good as you. I know that you know I you know i'm not advocating for invading places. I am advocating that we speak up when we see saud arabia take a blog roughy boat wai, everybody did.

I mean, that was univerSally condemned. But the question is.

at the of the day, in for writing blog post.

what's alternative in sai arabia? A who's our alternative there? We don't get to pick and choose who the leaders these countries does.

An that i'm talking specifically about treatment urs, special electors, that doesn't. We need to engage in business and building their .

and if you want to sternly worded press release, you just got IT from biden to hopefully IT IT IT peaks IT IT satisfies IT quantity thirst. Because the only other thing see us talking about.

actually, if you want to know what I I want to see the three of you speak up for human rights.

That's what I would like to say. I think that human rights in the united states is way more important to me than human rights anywhere else in the globe OK. And I think that we have an a dismal track record of taking care of colored men and women in this country.

And I don't disagree. And so I have zero patients and tolerance for White men blathering on about shit that happens outside your own backyard, fix your own inside backyard because you guys, because you guys are the one to me for being right. I understand. But i'm saying that you are unique in the position power in a way that the rest of us are not. And so when you guys clean up the inside, then we can go and fix out.

So yeah, i'd believe we can do both. I I believe we can do the same thing at the same time. We could speak about human rights here.

We can speak about in salaria. We can speak about in china, and we can talk about the same thing. We can talk about all the human right issues from freedom of tomorrow. I do. I do .

constantly no care much about journalists why .

you spoke .

up in favorite song to the way.

gen. nall. In either case, we don't know.

You've acted with complete certainty on twitter saying these guys are traders and should be locked up in U.

S. prisons. Oh, no, no. I think we don't know. I don't think we know who they're working .

for about .

the time to learn, not what I mean. IT is a black box in that case. We don't know .

in both of those cases what the backing is. I do think I so to your article that snow.

we have had people who have defected and been on sixty minutes who were in those prisons.

You believe what you want to believe?

No, you you literally can believe somebody who escape from the prison. You can believe them. Yes, with when he comes to Julia H.

I, I don't know what to believe exactly because he released all those data dumps and he didn't do a proper like a journalist where he voted the information which snowin. I'm more inclined to think that he was a good actor. And I think it's a very new on position. So if you want to try to paint to me as like not knowing everything about every, uh, human rights violation in the world, every new on position of a liquor, that's correct. I don't know everything about everybody.

but I am going that position. I don't know anything about any of these things, which is why I choose to focus on the things that I can control. And I want to believe that I want to improve my own backyard.

which I think is absolutely great. And I think you can add and end there, which is you should be talking about human written on kong, should should be talking about and and all about. Okay, not my problem is the problem.

not my problem.

I believe that part of the problem right now, you said that, you said a perfect each math. People don't care about human rights anymore. There is a large of people, I growth you, who do not care about human rights the way.

think they care about the local version .

of human rights, find yeah. And I think you need to care about all of them and talk about all of them at the same time.

The international adventurism around human rights I don't support in the east, and I do feel that a lot of this stuff is like the tip of the spear of people who then get morally absolute and say, we have to fix this and the only solution is to invade in these countries. And instead, I would just rather than them, if they really care about IT, let them stand up and do what they need to do. I think we need .

to fix their own backyard. I mean, look not to kind of bolster to mobs point, but there is a blind eye turned to that which we don't want to believe, or that narrative which we don't want to sell. And then we point towards the narrative that we do.

And we see this all the time where the focal point of where should we be addressing human rights issue s is where we have economic and geopolitical interests. No one seems to be solving the problem in civil a no one's getting on stage talking about the issues that people are facing in countries outside of where we have deep rooted trade partnerships and serious economic interest. And so, you know, like we can tell ourselves all day long that we need to be kind of be absolutely tes and absolutely take care of the world because for the the the beacon for human rights.

But the chAllenge is we end up being forced to choose where we want to spend our time and our resources and our resources go to where those resources flow back to us. And that's often where we have a geopolitical and economic interest. Now, all I, I am an absolute human rights in the sense that I believe every human on earth should have a right to do whatever they want within their own sphere of influence.

Providing their sphere of influence does not intersect the sphere of influence of others. End of story. And I don't see that happening anywhere on earth. And this ends up being a tradeoffs.

You always end up trading off yours sphere of influence for that of the greater good or someone else, because power ali cates and power aggregates to specific places, often the government, sometimes to organize societal decisions, that we say we going to trade off our individual rights and freedoms for that of the greater collective. And IT is that judgment and IT is that gray area where all of these issues that we individually choose to address and spend our time on arise. And so I have um you know just a point out like a very absolute point of view on this. But to me, the chAllenges, how do you make a determine, how do you make a determination that imprisonment of Brown and black people in the united states versus the treatment of people by, uh malaya in somalia versus the treatment of the wagers in china versus you and you go on and on and on, it's a very difficult moral judgment.

Or are you going to say they're all wrong?

They are all wrong.

are all wrong. But I think, but I rather see innovation enable .

more people to have access to more free speech, to have more resources, to have more of the inability to climb, have the freedom to do the things they want to do with their life. I think that innovation and technology can bring all of these old school ways of thinking and behaving out of the evil ages and the dark age. And so that's what I choose to spend my time.

You know, how can we unleash people's freedom? We got to make things more available. We got to make things more accessible.

I just want to make two points. And then maybe we can move on on this topic. Point number one is, when you're an immigrant, part of what you're doing is you're actually voting against the place that you leave to embrace the place that you come to.

And Jason, you know, of all the four of us on this pot, you're the only natural born american, right? You you started here. You've live your entire life here, and that's an incredible blessings that you were given. And the three of us weren't. And you know, in my case, I had to go through an even more circuit path and even come to the IT is first to go through canada.

But implicity, you know, when I look at the places that I laughed specifically, you know, when I look about, when I look at three linker, you know, has a very checkered human rights record, in fact, terrible in some ways, and the way that they ended the war against a tables, atrocious. I have to make a decision, right? I have to make a decision about.

This is something that i'm been waiting to or not. And what I realized through my own life's journey is these are not my battles. And in many ways, I abdicated my responsibility to vote on that issue when I left.

And instead I stay here and I focus on the things that I can control here. And I think that I do have a responsibility to fix the issues of the country that adopted me. And so that's where some of my framework comes from. Separately, I do want to give all three of us a shut up because I do think that there is an enormous human rights issue that I do think we did bring up and in the last few weeks has become a real groundswell. And IT started on the you know, you're in rea pot, where we talked about what's happened to our kids.

And I just want to call out that in the last few weeks, the amount of pretention that this issue has gotten, which I do think is a human rights level issue, which is a cognitive experiment of our children, has really come front and settle. And I think that it's really, really incredible all the way to, like even nature now publishing this winter. And maybe the timing is just coincidental, but these big lungi ude al studies that really show that, you know, we have a driven a level of retardation in our children.

We have held them back from A A level of learning and development that we now have turn our arms up in the air. We don't know what the real long term impact is that I think is a human rights level issue. And domestically in the united states, I think we're in a position to fix that if we decide to take care of IT. So you know, again, I don't mean to offend you when I say that in my priorities, ation list is below the line, but there are different human rights issues that I care about.

And I think to just to be clear, you know, when you said I call LED everybody out here, i'm trying to have a productive discussion, feedback. Ry, i'm not trying to putting him in spot. I don't.

I'm trying to have a product o OK. okay. I want to make IT clear that i'm not trying to call back here. I'm trying have a productive .

dialog from prince Olivia. He's like the largest investors in the world.

You know I wouldn't his society investing and .

his society and and the money, and if the money .

comes from a dictatorship from the authorities country.

I would one hundred thousand days. And he was locked up. He was locked up at the ridds.

and he was force to give a bunch of his money.

So IT wasn't clean again. If is money, if you asking me a, let's put in side of a specific person, i'll just tell you, my, my.

I, I agree.

Let me just .

tell you, I clearly, I would never take money from an authority, an regime. Would you take money from a chinese billionaire? I would not take IT .

from a chinese. No, I would .

not take IT .

from a chinese if I.

if I ona, I was outspoken about human or I would tell you it's a great thought question and i'm just ripping here. It's a great thought experiment if a chinese billion had left china and what would you take? China.

because china has violated your human rights at the poker table many times.

going all in, when I two part, I guess he's got to said he is just absolutely tortured me. So, but no, I would not. I would if if the person was a reformer, yes, I would consider IT, I would consider Jason.

But Jason, I guess what you're saying is like you and this is your decision to make my decision, it's it's important for you that you understand what people's personal belief systems are when you take money from them. No human rights is important to me. There's something like their personal belief system like you know analytica drug user, right for somebody else.

So for example, i'll give you an example. So I did take money from a chinese billionaire. I I first started social. I'm not going to no .

no need but .

there was a uh a morality clause and there were certain things that were incredibly important to this person and they were very easy for me to reflect because they were nothing that I cared about. But you know they explicitly didn't want certain kinds of .

investments in other gambling cannabis sex .

for for me that this was gambling alcohol can anyway, my point is you're fine signing up to those moral judgments from an investor but not necessarily you know silence on I am asking the question you would be fine signing up for those moral public for the inside of what you can can do, even if it's not against what you believe. But you have a different issue when IT comes to silence on .

these other topics. Yeah, I just answer the question. I if i'm taking other people's money to invest in and they don't want to invest in the adult, I don't have a problem with cannabis as an example that have a problem with weighing ing in gambling.

But if i'm building a fun to invest in businesses, those are that that's not an important issue for me and I don't know that's a great venture investment and I can also invest outside of in my own money. So it's a more nuon issue there like I I have invested in wagering apps and i'm thinking about creating a synthetic specifically for gambling and in watering. And yes, there are L P, S, who are I currently have in my previous fund, the active fund that do not I do not invest in waggery because of that.

So yes, and it's because they just want clarity, in some cases, on not getting suit for investing in a in in a waggery companies. But we don't have a federal Mandate yet. So are you. I think comparing is a great .

thought of disk. I was like everything for me. I was fine signing up for no alcohol because my father was an alcohol. I can IT was more.

And there was a certain investor who at one point tried to be NLP very well known person who was convicted of domestic abuse。 And I didn't take that money because I was I had been the victim of domestic abuse as as as my mom. yes.

And so that was a moral issue for me. The point i'm trying to make to Jason is that is very new ones. Everybody can be on a one of different size of the thing.

And i've tend to think the most consistent, reliable thing is that these are very local beliefs that when they touch you, you have a point of view on them. And I and I think that, you know, it's much more practical. And maybe this is just being too practical to see a world where people want to fix their own backyard first. And the and I think a lot of why you may be disappointed that a lot of people don't have a stronger view on things like china, as people are little exhausted with having moral views about things that are so far away. One things in their own backyard is still broken.

Yeah, I M N, I can understand that exhaustion. And to be clear, I just feel like human rights is such an obvious and easy want to get behind for all humans. And that really what, and that's what the universal declaration of human rights was about, was we were hoping that all countries in the nations are in the rose of I was that we could all just agree that torture was immoral.

And in the united states, waterwater of the united agree, the declaration of human rights, here is, is an ideal. It's a goal. It's something to strive towards in each country has places where they succeeded in fail.

And you can actually measure IT. And we do measure IT, actually, we do measure which countries have the worst record on human rights violations. Which one have the best?

Think disco scores are these?

No, no, they're not. You can literally talk, look at how many women are raped in prison in one .

country versus another. But my point is, when you put a scored to that or counted, you're not counting a bunch of other things that are really bad as well.

The scoring system could be refined. sure. I will give you that. And I think this is the debate we had today, which was an unexpected debate. And I I didn't think we will go this deeply, I think is such an important debate for us to have as humans and as a civilization because we are getting in the weeds on so many other issues, whether it's inflation or, you know, uh, innovation or politics, that human rights, I feel, is something we should all be able to agree on, that all people .

should be definite. Jl, everyone says yes, the definition and the prioritization is where all the noise is. Ah that's that's everything. And how do we deal with no one on earth that's gonna? I don't believe in human rights.

We all agree with the ideals. Everyone agrees. Everyone agrees with the ideals. The question is how you implement them.

Implementation, prioritization, death.

exactly. The rest we do. I think it's I think the legitimate sites for you to say that you're not to take money from dictators, but to then say that any family office from any individual who was born in that country, you're not going to take their money either.

I would have to think about.

I didn't say, unless they're into this their lives by denouncing their own government.

said you, I don't know, have to do a public icy I, if I talk to you this hypothetic chinese or seven person and I said, I agree with working against, i'm a reformer I I guess I would have to consider.

because to make nothing reformer but Jason, but I don't have a point of view .

that I would go with people.

who would you morally disqualify them? You disqualify them on moral ground.

Something way to make L, S, J, which is import you. Now I need to answered IT.

if you could, to ask me this question and accuse me of, you know, this. I would have to make a nuances decision on an individual basis. I would not make a blank decision. That's my position on this hypothetical situation where somebody is a sauty citizen as a family office.

I would have to make a very new as decision like you ditch off where you didn't take the domestic abuse and you did take the person so that I was an american, but I took the time, okay, yeah, but it's the same thing. It's a human rights violation. It's it's a horrible thing that a card and you had to make a new ones decision.

And you know, that's what I am hoping to promote here, is that we have a dialogue about human rights, again, because when I was growing up in the eighties, this was something that the world was getting consensus on and the west had consensus on. And I think the west is very weak now. And the fact that the N B, A, that, you know, apple, whatever companies I don't want to call out individuals because it's not productive, especially if you get reagent gated and you know I happen to know some of them IT.

It's it's something that the west has to contend with of what is our strategy here with human rights, violence. Do we engage them? Do we, uh, admire them or or somewhere in between do we disengage, engage or, you know, make our feelings heard and try to their behavior to bend towards human rights. And it's a very complicated you what's discuss?

I'm glad we had to here today, the time here you are talking about where we possibly have consensus on during eight.

during the old war.

Well.

we talked about to a lot of america's .

is my point yeah. Well, I think actually, I think all reagan to really a job with this, he announced the evil empire, but said that we should be a shining city on a hill, and we didn't. We actually avoided a bunch of unnecessary foreign wars.

hundred percent.

So look, I think the best way for us to lead on this issue is this being example. We're not doing a very good job of that. And your ideas are great, but the world doesn't need line up with those presences, with choices that don't fit those ideals.

I mean, during the cold war, we had a choice to support either commerce regimes or, in a lot of cases, authoritarian regimes. And we chose the lister of two evils. I think today we have choices between three.

What to support islamic fundamentalist regimes, or we want to support authoritarian regimes, are resisting IT. I mean, those are the types of tough choices the world actually presents to us. And I think that's what makes IT hard to this is my friend .

it's a complicated chest board and you're .

Better a chest and me, sx. So I will give you that. But I think it's great that we have a discussion. I really do appreciate that you guys, we're willing to talk about this for so long.

It's an import discussion because if we don't stand for human rights and basic human rights, what do we stand for, you know? And and I agree that domestic S. M.

I stand for, I stand for me. We know that. We know that. I tell us about the sweet, tell us about the sweater. No candle .

to know .

your concern, the r ism, which actually, this was my big trees in the .

prediction .

episodes, but that I think you should be concerned about this, like rising type we have here of censorship and the surveilLance.

Stay about IT yes.

agreement and our federal law enforcement agencies to many more more powerful .

and locked down in simple liberty.

blowing this whole like general sixteen of proportion, you should be concerned about their attempts to exploit and use that to demand .

more powers to surveilLance. I do not believe in surveilLance.

and I understand that the historia created around that event is going to be used, is going to be exploited to demand these times.

Politicians are explained this on all sides of the world. I agree with you, the right and the left. The right is diminishing IT. The left is exacerbating IT. The truth in the middle is I think we are in agreement sex. The overwhelming majority of people who went to the capital that day were dip shits who just wanted to protest that they care about trump.

And they went there for the party of at all and then there was a small cohort who intended harm and who are dragged and who could potentially be dangerous in the way to maths framed IT lone wolves or small packs of wolves like the alcohol city bombers who murdered a large number of people um and so we have to be very careful in in prosecuting one group one way and one the other way. And that's exactly what the department of justice has done. In that case, seven hundred people got plead deals or very minor sentences.

And then these folks are going to have the book through and at them, and rightly so, because they could have murdered pants, or they could have murdered polo cy, just like that woman got murdered. I'm sorry, the woman tragically got stopped and shot and died. Like that could have been a much different day if dozens of people have died and those cops are not turn restrained. We could be sitting here having a much different discussion about the earth keepers. If the earth keepers had done with the okawa city bombers succeeded in doing this, would be a much different discussion.

They didn't, which is why IT is a different discussion.

Well, that got for our police and for how brave they were in not unloading their pistol. When a any reasonable person who was being beat by that crowd and crushed would have taken their gun out and start firing. They didn't, thank god.

Did I think the one thing agree, don't want something like that happen again. And those two things, one is reform of the the electoral contact. Like we talked about that what buying should be going for not making these speeches about bull conner and George walls, he had actually get that done. And the other thing is, if the capable police have just been a little bit more prepared and had barricades and screens of Better security, that also could IT couldn't happen again. That's all we have to do to solve that genre.

The third thing we to do is the rest is of keepers and put them in jail. What did well, it's they've been invited. You tell me if they're to go to jail.

yeah well and apply.

So IT seems hopefully get their day in court.

Maybe we can transition. I wanna talk about the other side of the coin on inflation because I think that we have hammer the point for a long time now that you know the government was really sort of like off peace by printing important trillions and trillions of dollars and and injecting IT into the economy.

What is really created is been uh, this massive about of inflation, which then could cause an ultimate recession because the fed has to react. All of those things, I think, are well documented. I just wanted to put on the record the a little element of the counter factual, which I think is really important.

And this is an article in the water street journal and neck. You can post this if you can please. But i'm just gonna ad this. I'm just going to look down the first two rounds of stimulus payments lifted eleven point seven million people in amErica out of poverty, according to the census o americans built up two point seven trillion dollars in extra savings. And some expect that, combined with rising wages, to to provide them with lasting stability despite the return to more Normal spending patterns and rising inflation.

So I just want to make sure that all of us have heard that because that's an incredible thing to be able to say that eleven point seven million americans in poverty are no longer in poverty because of this stimulus, which I think when you look at the right way of framing what some of these progressives want to do, I think a lot of the good intentions comes from things like this. And I just think it's important to acknowledge that, that did happen and that's something that we should really be proud of and especially if those folks can actually stay in the lower middle and then move up to the middle class, that's an incredible outcome. And you know, we we all supported that. I think genuinely, and I think that that's good.

We knew that was scary. We needed to put something into the economy to keep IT from crashing and it's very hard to know what what the right amount was right from mother how you know what the right of monetising lus in a pandemic that happens every hundred years um and thank god that feels like omicron is you know leading a sad of this. okay.

Yeah there are some great examples, by the way, in this article, if you guys if people want to take the time to read IT of some examples of people that have really done an incredible job in in like completely changing their financial picture, which is, well, I mean.

a lot of a lot of people went into freeLance. A lot of these Young people realized that if you saw this headline, a million less people, uh, started college this year and road. And I think what's happening is so many people who were going in to college realized, I don't know if you go into debt, I figured out a way to make money at home and more financially with IT, i'm going to make a Better decision about college and aco a hundred kind to dead. I think it's many people very resilient and being Better, making Better judgment ments about their own lives because they've .

been forced to to be specific, I think you mean boys because the other thing that's happening is in colleges now it's becoming very tilted. Uh, female versus male species. M colleges in some colleges, two third female mail. So actually creating this weird launch to pattern here where uh an an entire gender is going to be very nice educated relative to another one. And in fact, it'll the exact opposite of what I was like. And probably the fifties or sixties where you have these large swells of men that are educated, women who typically stayed home or were uneducated related to their ability, here now is the exact opposite, where, you know, women are getting undergrads and graduate degrees, and boys are learning how to play video games and smoke pot in self.

A very strange time. I mean, that's what happens when you, David.

what is that like .

being in itself? So you were pioneer and being in in sale.

We made IT through the show.

So IT was so civil.

Let's get the freedoms g ratio up. Talk about an exciting scientific .

paper and tell us about this new study from harvard that revealed F D bar virus could be associated .

with the so bear with me for a moment. Uh, so, uh, you know, there are over eighty what are called auto immune diseases. These are diseases where your body, your union system, attacks your own tissue and causes real problems.

One in twenty people were wide, suffer from some sort of auto immune condition. So disease loops, which affects, you know, your whole system, uh ROM. R T S, where your joints get inflamed, show grain syndrome, where your eyes and your mouth get get this up and and multiple school rosses, which will talk about here in a second. But these are all diseases that have a similar ideology, which is that e system attacks some tissue in your body, is this functions and IT attack IT. And there's always been a big question about kind of what causes this auto mune conditions and what causes immune system this regulation like this.

And there's all sorts of different theories and studies and papers, many of which have been well, well documented, genetic risk factors, environmental factors, age and in particular as you get older, the famous which is supposed to create these help of cells that go out and keep cells in your immune system from attacking your own body, your famous kind of starts to stay away, or you start to stay away and start stop working. And so um you know one theory that's been talking about a lot as molecular mimicry, which means that there is some protein from a virus and that enters your body or cancer, and that protein looks a lot like some other protein in your body. And so your immunity stem starts attacking that protein and as a result, union system turned on to that protein and IT actually attacks a similar looking protein somewhere else in your body um and that's a you know a very kind of broad statement about some potential cards of autumn conditions and you can find protein medicine theories coming from the gut, uh, where you know, microbes in the gut are triggers this and then also virus, particular the virus and F C E bar virus, which we're going to talk about here today.

So multiple scarrow sis, is this disease one of the automobile, an diseases where your immune system attacks and destroys million, which is you know found on um your nerve cells and in your brain and he can actually cause you know when this happens and your immune stem starts to attack your brain, you end up with these legions and and really biliteral effects over time one in three hundred people in the U S. Have been diagnosed with M S. IT is a brutal disease at at last your whole life ah and the treatment today the primary treatment is the drug that destroys b cells in your body and your b cells make anti bodies and so by destroying the b cell s that gets rid of the cells that are making the anti bodies that are attacking your own brain and and this is a really effective treatment.

It's been able to reduce the effect of M S significantly, but we still don't know what causes IT triggers M S. And there's always been the theory going back to the the the mimicry question that one of these viruses that everyone seems to get as they you know age is causing IT. Um and so fd bar virus has always been talked to be one of those viruses is one of the herbalist viruses.

Uh everyone knows IT as mono, so you know you get mono and you get um swaling neck. A lot of people do. Most people that get this virus don't end up having any symptoms that even though they have IT and here's a crazy statistic, ninety five percent of people have F D bar virus um and it's known that f cn bar virus does actually cause some kinds of cancers and former and so on. So here's the paper that was published yesterday.

And again, if you know that fd bar virus you is is doing some other stuff in your body that's negative, shouldn't this be a reason to look at IT for M S? But how do you get the data to do IT, given that ninety five inside of people already have educed bar virus? So here's what happened.

These guys, and harvard went to the military, the U. S. military.

The U. S. Military basically had ten million members of the military. Take sixty two million blood safes over a period of time from one thousand and ninety three to twenty thirteen.

And when they take these blood samples, they you know, they run their typical check up on these people on the military members, but they save some of the blood sample in the freezer. And so they've got sixty two million blood sample sitting in freezers, the U. S.

Military dozen. So these researchers were able to access those blood sample es. And they then found five percent of the people that don't have that seen bar virus. Because, I remember, ninety five percent of people have IT.

And they found the five percent at one, and they went through, and they found that during this period of time that they have all this blood data for, they were able to identify eight hundred people that started out as seen bar virus negative, and then got ms. A hundred percent of the people that got ms were infected with have seen bar virus during this period of time. And for the group of people that um that didn't get M S only about half of them uh got F C M bar virus infections during this period time.

And then they looked at this for about twenty other viruses and basically showed absolutely no correlation or difference in risk between all the other viruses if you got A S or didn't get A S and so IT basically creates a ninety five percent probability that you're thirty two times more likely to get um M S from md bar virus than for anything else. IT is from the racily diverse pool and age diverse pool, ethically diverse pool. So a lot of other you know confounding factors like racing, ethnicity or genetics, a lot of other factors like all the other viruses that might be causing M S, have been excluded.

And IT shows that maybe have seen bar virus is the primary cause of that that trigger certain people's immune systems to go nuts and attacked the brain. And it's interesting because you know that bar virus has a bunch of proteins and IT that look like other human proteins. So makes sense why this might happen.

Um M S costs forty grand a year. This thirty billion dollars year spent in the U. S. On M S. care. So if we can go in and get her seen, bar virus are limited from the human body. IT would be an incredibly, incredibly cost anthropic benefited the people with.

You should talk about the reason why we don't have a herbie ce vaccine though. So H. S. Be one, two, three.

Now for none of these things have reasonable vaccines, and it's for a very specific reason, which is that the herb y's virus itself is incredibly, incredibly difficult to isolate and find until that activates. And IT hides itself and IT nests itself inside these nerves. Ls, so you may want to just talk about how complicated is to produce.

I M, the DNA disappeared into these nerve cells, and so it's hard to get, you know, immune system to go and clear them out permanently. The fc bar virus hide out and b cells in your body, and so it's floating around in your body forever. And as your b self replicate, the virus replicate with them.

And then when your amuse system starts to get weak, the virus pops out and starts to attacking and inflaming your body again. So number one, F C bar virus has never been a great target, the therapy target, because is not much money to be made, because it's like, who the hell cares about mono? What do you get mono? You get over your fine.

But if I seen via virus is in fact causing this problem with with ms, there's a reason to go after a lot of money to go after IT. And there are several new technologies and therapeutic strategies that are possible, one of which is sent out uh over a group tax, a company that's doing T L teraphim. We can actually program A T cel.

And the t cl goes into the body and finds these are these b sales with F T bar virus and White out. Um there is a steroid, a dialogic steroid h that's been shown that used to treat high blood pressure, that's been shown to stop F C N bar virus from leading cells. There's an entire viral drug made by text a called my rib of year which has been shown to have high africa eliminating f seen bar virus. So there are now their appetite strategies that are being actively explored that could unlock the potential of minimizing or eliminating i've been barred fires for a broader population than we ever should be taking this therapy, because the implications may be that if you can stop F T vivres from replicating or eliminated from your body, you can stop all these follow on diseases that occur over time in your life that are super dibbling ating and cost late.

The lupus is another one the tighter herby select for. I think the the, the real problem is going to be that two thirds of the ado population under the age of fifty five have harpy simplex for so you know, you're literally talking about inoculating the entire world.

And when we start to think about that grand of a scale, there's a cost issue, there's a manufacturing business issue and then there's an ora why issue that, that unfortunately will be adjudicated. And if that to me is what really you know stands out and and that is that just the health care economics of IT. Obviously, the science of IT is .

still really complicated, aren't we doing in M R N A uh vaccine for f in bar? And how would that plan to this?

absolutely. So there's a lot of techniques. This is you t cl theroux M R A, A chemotherapy type drug, a steroid drug and anti viral drug. So um every um modality for theraputics uh had some candidate or candidates for at the bar virus.

Um and so you know there may be a bunch of ways that you start to identify risk factors and that you give someone one particular therapy that might be really affordable, like this anti viral may be super affordable. You know we can make IT for five cents of pill. You could you know get IT out to a lot of people, profile action, ally, that high risk.

You know if there's A A group that actually is active with M S, A good treatment may be to try give the t therof. And so that's the clinical trials that will start now because if you can give people a tea sel therapy and eliminate E D V and stop all future need for M S. Treatment that i'll say forty grain the year, it'll start to make sense to run clinical studies to see if that self possible and is doing so, that opens up a whole new kind of.

Area of interest, by the way, this isn't novel. People in talking about the very long time of this paper has such incredible data and such from signal that is really to it's really going to catalyze investment. We didn't have the big data based on the study.

We would not have gotten here for once on the show. I will say thank you for the U. S. government. And all of the the data that they ve you know, all of these blood samples that they are.

I want to get you read on the the human transporting that we saw this week where a genetically modified pig heart was implanted to fifty seven years. And you fifty seven year old men, you want to read that, dave.

Better to fifty seven year old men, request a special emergency authorization for the experimental surgery from the F, F, D, A who was dying and unable to receive a human heart transplant. The surgery was performed every seventh. Um in volt more.

And this happened as the U. S. Is facing a major organ shortage.

I mean we have we have hundreds of thousands I mean people on organ donor registries uh or needing a transport. You know my father was on a kidney transplant registry for eight years until he passed away. These things are just brutalizing for the individuals and the family around IT. And so like you know, all of a sudden, if you can see a path where you can um genetically modify uh other sources of organs and implant them without organ rejection into the human body, that that is that my is my life.

What's really important, it's not just about the availability of these things, but it's about turning off. One of the biggest the big risk factor of virgin transplant is a rejection, meaning you're putting all this foreign matter into your body. It's foreign proteins.

And so when your immune stem sees all those foreign proteins, your body goes haywire. Price to kill IT. It's like it's like imagine getting a billion viruses at once. And so there's all these new proteins.

And so one of the interesting things you can do, you know if if you can grow these are these organs, uh and and alter the genetics of the cells that are being used to grow the organs, is you can get those cells to match your own or uh to basically dow regulate all of the proteins that might be trigger ing uh immune rejection in your body. So theoretically could grow jay cow's heart with tissue and cells that match your DNA potentially and match your protein structure perfectly and had a heart you could do with him too good. But no, I mean, but and by the way, there there may also be a path here where we grow. These are these organs, uh, with your D N A without even using the animal body, uh, the entry, the entire key of the rest of the animal to do so. So there's a lot of really interesting uh, breakthroughs are possible but but it's really great to see a highlighted um you know none you know kind of transplant ted organ from another body into the human body because IT just again, if IT opens up what people been talking about for decades, which is the possibility of this now that we are gene editing and potentially having the ability to grow biological matter in bioreactors, it's going to be it's going to be jack a.

what do you think about the democratic person in the S. E, C saying that they wanted to basically make the, uh, accredited investor laws.

even structure? That's incredibly.

I was your big prediction.

yeah. I mean, we really have to get these law. I mean, I think this is like a threose um or we work over reaction which is like, oh my god, there are some bed private companies.

If you take the number of bad private companies uh and then look at what is happening in the country with people wagering on sports and wagering on crypto, a slash investing, depending on we you know how you look at IT. We need to have one rule for the road, which is people take a test, they get a credit and then they can do what they want with their money. The equivalent of what i'm suggesting, people can only invest a fraction of the money they have on their last two years, tax returns.

Let's pick a number five percent of their to your average on the tax returns, ten percent, whatever you want to pick and they have to take a test, would would be the equivalent of people having to take a three hour course and you know, I don't know, fifty question test to go to vegas and play black jack and they could only put on the black jack table ten percent of their total average yearly income for their household in the past year. You think about how crazy that would be to tell an american you've got got to take a black jack course, pass a black jack test and understand the ads of poker, whatever, to play that game. And you can only put if you made fifty thousand dollars on last years, you can only buy five thousand in vegas.

Had any one time, that's the max chip you can buy in a year. Those are the two things I am advocating for private company investing. And that's really if we want to have people move from, you know poor to middle class for middle class to affluent in this country, there has to be equity participation.

And equity participation has to start early. Look at what happened with all these Young people betting on crypt out, betting on stocks or stocks. And uh, we know doing puts and calls and all kinds of crazy things.

You know, in public markets, we would really rather see those people, or at least in addition, be able to invest on linkin if they were, uh, a recruit in year two or they were an uber driver, be able to buy uber shares or if they were in airbnb host, be able to buy A B, B shares as a private company. Will change the entire uh, completion of upward mobility in the united states. And and we really have to keep .

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