E67: Revisiting Rogan, Canadian truckers' protest, fusion breakthrough, $MSFT's savvy move & more
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Fans and. Hey everybody, hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the all in podcast with us again, the new chairman in a majority shareholder of law, piana chmagh poly hopeless a and the vice. I A veganism.

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why you did. Do you mean polo? No, he is. You lay OK many things, uh, also with us, the vice roy of veganism, the sult of science, David friberg and the region of the right wing. David sax.

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I just got to business select on southwest. I'm pretty feel pretty about myself right now. right? Everybody, let's get started. Uh, a lot of topics people want to talk about. Do you want to start with rogan or the canadian truckers?

I think rogan probably leads into the truckers.

No IT might in fact lead into the truckers. Okay, so we covered rogan and spotify epo de sixty six a whole bunch since that time. Uh, a video surfaced on saturday, uh, with your rogan repeatedly saying, uh, now be and word and uh it's a pretty rough to watch and he a did a mea copper and apology. And overall, now spotify has taken down seven episodes of his podcast and that's out of over a thousand .

was like a hundred and thirteen. That's what I saw to there's one hundred and thirteen to maybe seventy had the inward.

but one hundred and I stand corrected. A hundred and ten have been taken down.

I was texting with x. It's like almost six percent .

of episodes.

but six percent were taken down.

six percent taken down. In his apology, he said obviously he was wrong to use that word for the decay or so, but he pointed out that he did not use IT towards a person as a slave, but was talking about IT more in studying or discussing .

the mention is alright high distinction yeah.

Universe quoting yeah.

So he said he was taken out of context, apologized. He also made a joke that he immediately said, oh my god, that's pretty racist.

I shouldn't told that joke where he compared to, uh, going to see planet of the apes in an old like theater and filly saying he was in africa on sunday day and your access to memory to spotify employees claiming he is not the publisher of the geological show, something I completely dispute, will talk about that in a moment thoughts on of the latest grew haha and do we think that spotify will be able to handle, uh, this? What seeming IT seems to have died down in the last couple days. And rogan is now joking about IT in his comment, you know, engagement, small comedy clubs.

What do you think sex is? You're rogan. Get to weather the storm. Is spotify going to stick with him?

Well, okay, so of the last episode of the all in pod, they were trying to cancel rogan for misinformation and for the reasons we that basically failed because, you know, so many, the times something starts with information eventually becomes the truth. Rogan seems like a guy who actually just wants to present both sides of baLance.

Two point, in any event, that whole attempt to cancelled in business information was fixing out and then labelled this twenty two second clip comes out and they escalate the charges to racism. If you kind of look at know who's behind this clip, it's pretty clear that I was a democratic super pack, put this together and sort of astro turf IT as a viral video. This is part of an organized attempt to cancel rogan.

Now as to the merits of the the sort of racism accusation against him, let me look, let me say that I don't think anybody, especially a public figure, should be using this kind of language, you know, in the stain age, even if you're just sort of quoting something or or mentioning IT, you know, he he should have known Better. However, there are also similar clipsed. They are now circulating of joe biden doing the same thing using this type of like incredibly instinct I language and like a brazen, almost off handed way you've got clips of .

the same you're saying brazen and he said IT exactly same .

way you I was in a way he's icap c so you have you have biden doing IT. You've got Howard to turn doing IT. Um so what is the difference? I mean that the the reality here is that we used to, in our culture, have a distinction between the use of this type of language as an epithet, which was never okay.

H or using IT um you are referencing IT you might have been quoting IT you might have been quoting a rap song. You might be quoting a dave shaped routine. You might be reading from a book that you might be telling a story in which somebody else said, IT, you're merely trying to relay what happened.

The rules today are does not an excuse. You can say IT. But the truth is that ten years ago, twenty years ago, the rules were a little different.

That's why biden said IT, that's why how our stern has these episodes. And I think it's why rogan had set IT. And I think it's a little bit disingenuous for people to now try and apply the new rules.

So this old language, and they're doing IT very selectively because they're not trying to cancel these other people who said these things under the old rules, they're going to cancel rogan. So I think what you're seeing here is selective cancellation outrage, selective application of these new language rules for the purpose of getting rogan cancelled. why? For the same reasons we are talking about two weeks ago or last week, which is he is an outsider, he is an independent voice, he bucks the establishment. He doesn't present the orthodox view on covet. And that's Frankly why they want to cancel him free.

Just looking at the Howard stern cocote so in one thousand and ninety three Howard stern um dressed in black face and use the word in a skated uh mimmo king ted dancing talking about what be golden g something and he said, i'll be the first to admit I woke go back and watch the old shows. It's like, who is that guy but that was my stick. It's what I did.

I own IT don't think I got embraced ed by nazi groups and hate groups. They seem to think I was against them too. So I think, you know, sex is probably right.

Howard turns a very different character today know I think the question of if Howard turn acted that way today would cancel culture kind of mob in the answers probably yes um but I think IT because you know rogan is out here probably picking a bone with everyone you know he's kind of there's no aligned. There's no there's no tribal a behavior with rogan, right? He doesn't he's been pretty public about being very liberal.

He's been very public about being conservative in some ways. And I don't think he kind of aligned himself strongly with anyone. And so he's a threat to everyone. He's got a huge following. And you know he speaks openly, honestly in a way that that is threatening. Uh, certainly his behavior was inexcusable and has been inexcusable, but there are others, right? And so it's it's a an important question, which is why ham right now.

it's also interesting with that ted dance that he was dating wiki alberg at the time, I believe, and ted dancing I was there was a roast of whippy girl berg at the fires club, ted dancing dressed in black face, I think which would be a goal berg was in.

Rest didn't.

And then how where did I send up of that anyway? The point is the more the standard changed significantly, the chat china.

my book of the year last year was this book wanting by this author p burges. Um he wrote something on sub stack.

Um i'll send you guys a link you can put IT in here but he said he said the following he said as we regret to a superstitious wz pagan world of which burning civil discourse will be replaced with superstition and scapegoating um and he was talking about rogan I think that the the thing that I was the most proud of in this whole thing, I was Daniel I mean, disclosure, he's a friend of mine. So maybe this is biased. However, I think that spotify had business principles and this was similar to what brian armstrong did a coin base.

I think they stuck to those principles. They made of a well reasoned decision that they explained to their employees and shareholders. And then they did the most important thing that sax has always been saying around free speech, which was, which is more speech. And so what spotify said when they explain the decision to not deep platform to rogan was that they would take the exact equivalent economic value of what they were paying them him one hundred million dollars, and invested in unrepresented, historically and represented groups to tell their stories, to tell, you know, to make their music at sara. And so effectively doubling, you know, the universe of that kind of content.

And so I think if if people are really willing to listen, I think what we should take away from this is here's a really clear red example of the solution to free speech, which is just to get more of IT on your platform to have the right disclosures and disclaimers and then for you know people to go along with their lives so that they can then choose. And I think that that um that was the that was the one positive outcome that that I saw from this entire episode. The rest of IT was a another attempt at you know um being morally absolute and you know scapegoating and then the that was before obviously the the end worthing and then the end of thing just brought to light that we live in a very different age where the rules have changed and I think the open question is um you know, if you're going to judge people for past behaviors on current rules, are we allowed to do IT selectively or does IT applied everybody? And and I think that, you know, this is why I think that we saw people like David Simon, you know, came out and David Simon was very, you know, IT basically exploration joo gan, but then David I and wrote the wire, you know and if you if you watched the wire, which is, know, an incredible piece of television that people point to all the time, is one of probably the greatest shows on television. Every probably, you know, thirteen world was the end word.

yeah. I have like two observations here though and then I get to your sex and if so, you want to try in on I I always like to think about intent, and then I like to look at the apology and think is a like sincere or not. And when you look at the intent IT, does anybody actually think joe rogan is a racist? And I think it's pretty AR. He's not from all of the behavior collectively in his life. And then you look at the apology, I thought I felt I was incredibly sincere, uh, and there were many learning moments in IT and he's a comedian, which is kind of this other space where we we asked comedians to make us laugh and make us feel uncomfortable and that we're also asking them to live by a standard that changes every year and and words come on and off the allowable list.

Would anybody here? Does anybody here, actually.

they could anybody listening to me think joe is actually racist? I I think the answers, I don't think anybody thinks that. And I felt the apology was incredibly thoughtful and well done. sex? What youth thoughts?

yeah. I mean, agree, agree with those things. Nobody was accusing joe rogan of racism until the cancellation mob started throwing stones, and the misinformation stones didn't work than they estimated to racism.

I think the generalized thing just take the context side of rogan for a second. I think that the the formula, if I can point to this, of cancel culture is now, I think, pretty well understood, which is if you don't like somebody, you need to throw some ism label on them until that ism label sticks and eventually you will find IT ism label.

But the the thing that this cancel culture doesn't appreciate, everybody has some ism that that can be attached to them yeah now some isms are worse than others, obviously but you know we're all infallible, right? I go back to like if you want to quote the bible, right there's a there's a beautiful passage of the bible and the book of john and the whole thing. And you guys have heard this quote many times before, but let me just give you this set up.

So in the law of the land back then, adultry was illegal, but only for the woman, right? And so there's a very famous example of a woman who is accused of adultery and uh you know he was about to be uh stone to death, which was essentially the punishment and jesus basically draws a line and says, you know he who is without sin should cast that first stone and a nobody does IT the escalates that conflict and everybody leaves right? And there's a very famous, I say, uh, that render route that basically compared that to to a different example in a more pagination context where people did stone people.

The idea of all of this is that there's some amount of, you know, sin that everybody Carries. And I think that at some point, cancel culture will realize that you have to deescalate and you have to see through some of this noise, you have to have some point of moral resolution to really move on, because this sort of like fatalist judgment doesn't work anymore. So whoever people wanted to cancel rock, and they must be very frustrated today, because for all intents and purposes, he got off the hook.

They may try again in the future with some other ism. He may just as well get off the hook in the future, right? So what what is the real solution? The real solution is to figure out how to deescalate and actually have a conversation about the things that he's doing that really upset you. And that is still not what's happening .

and a path perhaps to resolution. Let's get free burg in.

and then you sex free burg. I'll say two things. One, I think I want to SAT next to tony blair for dinner. You know, he was prime minister, the U. K. And he told me he was a really funny conversation because he was talking about his youth and he's like, if there were iphones when I was Young, I would not have ever been elected to public office like, you know um he was in a rock band. He I don't know if you guys know his history, but you know, he was pretty free, willing kind of guy.

And his point was really broader than that IT was that, you know, all of us have something that people can look to us for and use against us in some way. But I think what's really important with this joe rogan thing, and I think the bigger picture for me, dissenting voices and critical voices and outspoken voices are extremely important in the discourse that makes society progress. IT is not a good society.

When people that have dissenting of voices or offensive voices are shut down, society has a Better opportunity to to um charge a new course and to identify new pads, sometimes when the dissenting voice is wrong and sometimes when IT is right. But in both cases, IT is important to have that dissenting voice because IT allows us to have the dialogue that allows us collect to figure out what is wrong and what is right. And so this is notion of cancel culture in the way that people like joe rogan r and have been attacked for things that they have said in the past or do say today. Um I think IT is really contrary to the opportunity that the united states presents with this you know a founding principal of freedom .

of speech sex yeah so I agree that I want to build more said with the nature of art um analysis of this. I mean, what we're seeing here is the modern day equivalent of a primitive U R K. Stoning ritual.

This is a hot day virtual stoning in which we're not killing somebody, but we're trying to kill their digital avatar. I mean, we're basically trying to remove and destroy their online presence. I mean, that was really the goal here.

And in the mechanics of this thing, IT IT only works to extend that people are unaware of the the mechanism of escape building, as usually become aware that this person's being targeted selectively as escape code that stops working. And that was the situation we were in last week where you had, you know, yell Young through the e cast the first stone despite being guilty of misinformation many times itself. He's got like a weird history of saying weird things about gm OS and gay people.

And some of the stuff got dredge back up and and I think that was fair because that he who is without this information castle first stone and then he got some of his friends, these aging you know rockers like journey mitral and uh crosby still in nash to throw the next stones and then the media got in on this. And through CNN m. Sbc, they were throwing stones.

And IT was all motivated by the fact that rogan, he simply does not refuse. He refused to pay out their orthodoxy because know we can see people like Howard stern, who I like stern, okay, but today, how our storms become a full fledge cover steric. I mean, he is fully on board with the covered restrictions of Mandates in the steria.

That's why he gets diplomatic community to this. So this whole, the whole escape going ritual around rogan was about to fail last week. And that's why they escalated IT is is because they saw first, while rogan was getting away, and then second, our ability to to run these sorts of, like witches.

If people start to reject that, we lose all of our power. And so that's why this thing escalates into the most sensitive area that we have in our society. This language around race is very hurtful.

These hurtful epithets, and these people are playing games with that, with with that type of language. And it's very destructive. And but I think people are seeing through IT.

you know I really agree with this. I think like the the scape coding um as a way to resolve things um is losing its uh effectiveness increasingly. IT did work online for some amount of time early on.

And David, you exactly right. It's when the mechanism of action was poorly understood. But now that everybody sees IT and people try to do IT all the time, IT just stops working .

and it's not nearly as effective anymore. It's marketing channels been over. But and everybody know like OK, i'm being marketed to. And to give you some context for those people who are wondering, you hurt, renege ud, like three, four times here. The philosopher and he taught at stanford, he had a big impact on Peter, til I don't know of sax, actually took any courses with them and is a book.

Me, Peter, David. I mean.

like if, of course.

Peter told ideas book are powerful .

thinkers of of of the and he's he passed away.

Reminds me of the choice of cambell, a power of math. Like they were really thinking about the the the sort of basic tenants of like human the human condition and how people behave. It's really worth a double clicking on uh I think also interesting uh, in terms of forgiveness and black face I just intrude on has appeared no less than three times in his youth in black face and it's it's not a joke. It's literally true .

just in tribal like the reason why um the the racism label was planted on rogan is because he's heera docs. The reason why that race ism label has not yet really been planted on Justin trudel is because he's orthodox. He's not he's quite part of the ingrain establishment he comes from royalty in canada growing up.

Peer trudeau, you know, we were, we were liberals growing up members of the liberal party. We had made donations to liberal party. You know, in our law there is no greater simple than pure. Trudeau, his father. And so when you're the son of somebody like that, you get an enormous amount of um credit in your bank account that you're born with. And he was able to burn through so much of IT by doing things that anybody else in any other situation may have been judged much more harshly for and he wasn't um and he becomes prime minister and then he's able to get reelected. But you know his day of recon reckoning is coming um because he is revealing himself to be a part of this establishment with these views that are actually really uncomfortable and you quite grow task because of how judgemental they are of everybody else.

And that's A A great side way. And then just finally, sex IT cracked me if i'm wrong here. Joe rogan has voted democratic.

S his whole life, he holds largely democratic beliefs. H he's for universal health care. He's pro trans.

his pro gay, and he was a .

voting for bernie Sanders is a really stupid .

person for the democrats, for democrat politicians, like by into alienate, because a hero to Young people is a hero to the working class. And his user fundamentally might say more progressive. Yeah.

there are hundred percent progresses. yes.

So it's stupid for them to do this, but it's also stupid for them to be alienating these truckers. Because democrat refused to the party, the working class, to left pip IT to that issue.

Can I just say one last thing? I just want to reduce this sucks because I I just want to really give you a chance to say again, you've always said, and it's so true, the solution to free speech and to protect IT is more speech and I just wanted say a Daniel like and the team is polifin, you guys must have been in a really difficult spot, but the decision to take one hundred million dollars to increase the final for other voices, and historically and represented voices, is so good. And I hope you guys get to the other side of IT. But I thought I was a really.

really, really good decision yeah I mean, on an icon in the spot decision I I want to that so I applause them for not canceling road and I do so including own employees um the only thing and like an statement was when he talked about the user safety and how they needs to a Better job of the user safety. That's a concept that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, rogan is not sneaking into people's living rooms.

And turning his show on impressing play. If people don't like IT, i'm talking about users. If users .

don't like the content.

they don't have to listen safe. So t to of psychological safety that being confronted with any view you don't like is a threat or safety that is actually a threat to free speech, which is giving the most estero people in our culture, the ones who are most proud of being offended, a veto over any idea that in speech they don't like.

If you're uncomfortable, you're unsafe, you could remove yourself from that situation. If it's a piece of media, you don't need to read every book, you don't need to see every quinton titine film. You don't need to listen to jero, you know, whatever else that you find offensive to you. Personally.

I just don't think we should be feeding that idea safety m idea.

We talked about this before with like you know people at work, if they say they feel unsafe, that's instantly like an hr. Like oh my god.

you feel unsafe. Get H R need the requirement .

to if something .

creating a safety issue in the workplace of a legal requirement to remove that problem. That's why this language got started. That triggers the machines of hr to remove people .

who are doing nothing. right?

right? Okay, anything go to the truckers because I think we been this.

I just wanted have one final comment on spotify. I think, dad, I appreciate what the yani el did with a hundred billion dollars. That's great. And I think it's great that he's supporting free speech and and this holding his ground there. I know that's not easy.

However, I think he's intellects just as saying they're not the publisher of jeroen an I have a three part test to see if you're publisher, do you pay for the content you promoted? You produce IT. If you do two or more of those, you're defect of a publisher.

In my mind, they pay a lot of money for jerod an they promote the heck out of him. And while they don't produce IT in advance by picking the guests, they do have a production like veto uh on what content they put out there. And so if netflix has to own the people they pay, even if they don't produce IT and they promote, then spotify ed does need to have the same standard. And disney and netflix, all our producers of content, nobody would argue that. And I believe sponsible y is the producer .

Daniel not being on just defense? Spotify, for second, you guys had been through this. I i've been through this many times at several of my companies, but when you are in the middle of a fire storm, it's very rare that you can put out these in our press releases where the pride of authorship is one person and in many ways you have to write these P, R.

Releases with all of these guard rails that that think about all of these future issues that may prop up over time. And so I understand that you guys had some issues with some of the words I would just say. Again, look at the action.

And the action is he didn't deep platform someone, and then he double down on free speech, and he actually pointed a hundred million dollar firehose at people who can now tell their own stories on a platform that is the most important audio platform in the world. So I would say, you know, that's kind of like same thing when I said no, I didn't particularly like sometimes no bryant essay, I could have written IT Better. But at the end of the day, what I saw through IT, and I admitted this later, the substance of what brian armstrong did was incredibly profound, one of the most important things that actually happened in the last few years in silicon valley culture.

And I would just say that I think that Daniel did something really powerful here. And I think that both spotify coin base deserve and the employees and the leaders they deserve a round of applause. I think IT was a very, very hard decision. I think they stuck to their guns, irrespective of what you believe. They stuck to their guns.

Canaan truckers are are protesting, as many of you know, uh, vaccine Mandates just breaking today, ontario's a premier has declare state of emergency for the entire province, and ottawa police embraced for thousands of protesters to descend for the third consecutive weekend. USA today also reported the convoy could disrupt super bol by instead union sea.

The protest has been self titled the freedom convoy and has been underway since january twenty nine, nine, twenty nine. That appears IT, uh, has spent several thousand vehicles across the country and the truckers are blocking key roadways and bridges, including the ambassador bridge, are seeking an end to canada's vaccine Mandates. And IT feels like this is now morphing into something a little bit Whiter than just vaccine Mandates. Uh maybe it's becoming a occupy wall street type of uh, protests open to many people with many different uh things that they have grievances about. A reporter from uh barry wes common sense newsletter slash media Operation wrote, what the trucker is want .

place in europe you you just nailed IT um I do think that this is actually occupy wall street two point look, IT turned out just to root some facts. So it's not just struggles. This is a broad based coalition of people across every single race.

And gender and age group in canada is participating in this thing. In fact, the barrie White article, you know, SHE profiled men, women of all ages seeks, you know, White, I mean, everybody, blacks there. So there's a, there's a coalition of people.

Second is this really isn't about vaccination rates because IT turns out truckers are ninety percent vaccinated. They're vaccinated at a higher percentage than the actual broad base population of canada, which is about seventy eight percent. I think the the point of this, and again, I care about this so much as a canadian, but I I just want to read a quote from Justin trudeau because I think IT in capsule tes.

What this is really about the quote is the small french minority of people who are on their way to ottawa who are holding unacceptable views that they are expressing, do not represent the views of canadians. And I think it's that phrase, unacceptable views, that really points to what the real issue here is, which is that there are a lot of people who now say it's been two years enough with mask Mandates, tes, enough with all of this, you almost police state that developed all of the emergency use power that politicians have taken. Let's reclaim our democracy and let's have, you know, freedom again. And under the political viewpoint of the ruling liberal party, which, by the way, is now going to revolt as well, a bunch of liberal and peace have just completely flip. Because of this statement, IT summarizes what trudeau saying, which is what you believe is unacceptable to me.

And so now I will wash you. I A freeburg didn't if .

you guys listen to the new york times daily podcast that our friend sent out the link to this morning, yes you know to me these are the same story that was uh actually um an interview uh with a reporter uh who highlighted some work that he had done and identify that still Murphy the uh the democratic governor of new jersey had done some uh h some some polling and some some focus group discussions uh with some of his constituents and the overriding tone was one of emotion, one of feeling left out of the life that they believe they should have been living over the past two years and ultimately I think the tones speaks very clearly to what the truckers are saying which is everyone feels more than ever incredible overreach into their personal lives by the government um and by different governments.

Whether it's local or federal here in the U S or by the canadian government or you know go to australia or the U K. And the sentiment seems to be similar everywhere. I don't think that anytime since world war two have we seen the government create such restrictions and such Mandate in in democratic republics um like the united states um that we just saw over the past two years.

And I think the fact that is continuing when folks are now seeing you know on the ground every day uh you know the the mildness of omicron or like you know the big the chAllenges of their kids are facing in school, and you kind of put these things together and you say yourself, why is my government restricting my life and causing the chAllenge that i'm being forced to face for what? And I think that's a tone that everyone feels everywhere in the west today. I think in the east is a little bit different, right um uh because of the the mindset there.

But I think here we are collectivist and I think here pride, individual liberty and freedom as kind of the foundation of these democracies. Uh, to have the government tell us what we have to wear, shots we have to put in our arms, where we can go and when, how we can behave in ways that we're never legislated, in ways that we're never kind of debated and discuss publicly. Uh, just feels overreaching at this point. I think everyone hit their breaking point. And this is another one of these examples that trucking things, another one of these examples of people manifesting their breaking point and sax.

to the point we've been discussing over and over again, things have changed radical since the begin of pandemic. You believed in mass Mandates early because, hey, no downside. We talked about that and we didn't want hospitals to be overrun, which is reasonable, that you want to have oxygen.

We were all, you know, trying to make plans for, hey, how bad is going to be be over sitting or two years later and it's prety clear omicron, which I had a thank you. Sex um is nothing but as we see here, thanks. Sex, sex.

Cron on .

the super ero.

Thank you. I ve got ten around. yeah.

I went to a sexy party and all I got was in eight thousand dollar gift bag and omicron. The gift bag is pretty great as .

A I I think getting on a icon and helped you, because IT enabled you to see that this for you was largely nothing burger. You could come out your house to start out to Normal.

I think, is a lot of people over .

the country or life, you were saying that you haven't left your houses for two years. You remember the photo of the, yes, he can.

Well, look, I supported mass made Mandates being in the pandemic when felt he was telling us mass and work. Let's not forget that I was reporting when the health officials told that in work. why? Because he was the only thing we had. We didn't .

have dav David. He was, he was doing us a favor by lying to us. By zon admission, he said, I lie to you so that we could preserve these masks for online workers. Well, thank you. Thank you.

And one of many noise that he's been .

told he he's a noble liar.

He a big, big political .

ser pick from tone tony.

Take IT easy on your pics. I know you wanted do a Victory lap.

It's only five. You can tell like june for the check.

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were the main alternative to lock down. That's the way I saw IT in the summer of twenty twenty. And I was saying, and these crazy lockdowns just do mass. And then once we had the vaccine and all covered restrictions, that was a year ago, and now we still have these restrictions a year later. And that is what the truckers were rebelling against. Just like you said, these are ordinary people who are sick tired of having to show their papers and have to deal with these Mandates and um and and for that they've been like absolutely demonized. I mean, trudeau comes out and says that they are basically White premises and racist and a moped bic, every APP that he can throw at them.

It's sorry to your point. He used, he did use every ism. He really did try to cancel them at first.

And this is what's really painted them in a corner. He went on national T. V, and he said, these people are racist and visage, that's specifically what he said.

And IT actually turned out that the overwhelming majority of them, we're not. They were just Normal, ordinary law by in canadians who were just fed up with the old rouge. And then then what happened was the polling said, you should bring these convoy leaders in, sit them down and talk to them. And then the the political calculus law was impossible for him, because he had already called them racist and massage inst. Then how could he bring them in?

And then what he did was he .

ran out of ottawa. So instead of staying in a ottawa now, he's under in a secure location for his.

oh my god, no, he feels unsafe, so trigger. But in fairness, uh, when you bring eight thousand people together and you get a wide enough group of people, there was swatch stickers and Whites, confederate flags that were flown. So IT might have been two of a thousand. But that did .

happen with the test.

And which I said.

within any protest movement, there's always very handful of people who go too far and or too extreme, but they did not represent the vast, fast majority of the people turned out, which are ordinary citizens. And trudeau seased on a handful of isolated examples to try to demonize these guys. And I think it's blowing up in his face.

The fact the matter is the truckers did not start this fight. It's the zelter of our elites, of our professional class that start this fight. They will not give up on these many days. That's the fundamental problem.

And while they go to the super boy with no mesa.

I think what you're seeing here with the trucker thing, I think it's going to have huge report effects because it's showing the skis. M, in the democratic party between the professional eats and the working class, here you have the working class. Remember, these were the essential workers.

These are the people. Bring us our food. Most of already had covered over the last couple of years. They couldn't sit behind a computer and do their job in their pajamas as on zoom all day OK. So these guys know the reality of coffee, just like you learn the reality just when you actually.

And yet we've got this neurotic class of professionals within the democratic party who don't who are these coveted enders, don't want to give this stuff up. And that's the fundamental divide. And I think bids can have to choose which side you on.

Are you on the side of the working class of the professional class? Trudeau has chosen his side. He is the feet ellide face of these cover dead enders and um and buyers enough to choose who he supports.

And then those are the widdle. You have governors now who are democratic governors in many states who are saying, listen, omicron is obviously different. And look at the charts, look at the data. We do have know .

about this new year story on how new jersey and several other of these blue states dropped the mass. Man, this is absolutely extraordinary.

extraordinary. The risk assessment is different.

David was extraordinary about IT is that I mean.

think it's kind of obvious more than extraordinary. If omicron is less deadly, is an upper respiratory ory, doesn't kill people who are vaccinated and most people are accent ated, pretty obvious it's time to be IT and and open everything up. It's time.

like an obvious decision. Biden really missed moment here or so I think you like. Freeburg said he was full.

Murphey is the democratic government new jersey? He has have an easy reelect when by twenty or thirty points, he narrowly speaks by by two, three points. okay.

So then he conducts the focus group to find out what are we miss? Why were we so off on this thing and they find out that people in second tire of these min days, he goes to the White house, okay, and shows these findings and says, guys, we have to get off this losing position on cover and the White house is on his hands and does absolutely nothing so morphy is like, we can't wait anymore so he unliterary goes without White house support there's all the new ork limbs article this is not like some right way publication saying this, okay, so he unilaterally says, okay, we're going rid of the mass man date, okay? And then five other states do the same thing because they realized we can't wait anymore.

And biden is just nowhere to be found in pozo kii is saying what we are differ to the cdc. They're furring to your racial linski at the C D C. And Randy y.

Gardener with the teachers unions and these health officials like barbera, err and l counting all of who are saying, we cannot lift these Mandate yet. They don't want so they are completely on the wrong side of this. And then bit really steps in IT bike saying to trudeau and canada, listen, you guys got to clear this bridge.

Do whatever you need to do to clear this bridge, basically employing that the civil disobedience needs to be met by force. And then you've got harvard professors and CNN analysts flashed their tires. Take you where their trucking licenses starve them out, you know.

So this has been the response and the response that that is now there's a trucker convoy getting started in the us. And they're going to march on washington. They are gonna drive to washington.

great. And between now and then, by then, Better forget out what that is going to be on. Because if he doesn't handle this right, I think this can be the end .

of his presidency. Peaceful civil disobedience is fine, as also are not blocking ambuLances, getting people to in from hospitals. And that's fine.

Especially the is this screen joe, the guy who said he would take us back to Normal? See the the representation of the working class? Is that who the president I states is? Or is he in the trudeau camp, the you know the the foul chi and .

the willing ski in .

your asking a toral question. I think that the the polling data makes the answer pretty clear, which is that the democratic party is lurching towards establishment insiders and working Normal ordinary people have in larger and larger numbers, started gravitating towards to the republican party. Minorities in far larger numbers than we ever expected have started lurching towards the republican party. And so the answer is sort of in the polling data and what what the actual facts on the ground have been, you know, I mean, we we forget because we were also ready to to to cast away our trump arrangement, synthetic syndrome. But he did get, I think that was at nine million more people .

to vote for him in the past class, whether the the White working class or the non White working class, are moving in huge numbers. I think I I think the margin of non White working class who moved to the republican's last election was eighteen points. They got seventeen points more share than eight years ago.

So the working class, regardless of their race, is moving towards the republicans, while the democrats are becoming this more a feet elite, professional class party. This woke a party, and I think biden sort of has caught the middle of this. And I think he's running out of time to try and reestablish that. He's going to have a centuries presence, cy, that is not completely cotton, and defer to the left of his party, to the the sort of woe. Ete, thinking, you see democratic logo scientists like right to share writing about this, like every week saying, this is your last chance, this is your moment to save your presidency and I don't know he's listening.

Okay freedoms. We made some great progress in science this week in nuclear fusion. Do you wanna tear the supreme?

I'm happy too. So let me just give a little back around IT for maybe admitted on on fusion so you know the um the way energy is made in the sun and in all stars is through this process of nuclear fusion where hydrogen uh nuclei the proton inside of hydrogen atoms shoot around at such a high energy and they're so dense because of the amount of hybrid or causes this gravity to pull them all together and they get really dense, they start sliming into each other when they slam in to each other, they fuse and the helium and ultimately the heathy our elements and release energy in the process and that is what fusion is.

So you know, we talk about nuclear energy on earth. All nuclear energy that we generated on earth, uh, as a species today, has been through vision where we take much heavy elements like plutonium and uranium and they break apart by freezing together and they reach energy but this creates radioactive material, is dangerous. It's very, very expensive and so on. So there's always been a question since roughly the one thousand nine hundred and fifties on whether or not we could we create the conditions of the sun or stars on planet earth by creating a plasma, by creating the same sort of plasma that exist inside the stars, very hot, very fast, very dense hydrogen en that can slammed into itself and slammed Adams and fuse into helium and release energy.

Does that same plasma exist on your raines.

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you going to give him a wedding. You let science boy finish.

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back to you. Never get old.

Was IT sixty nine megger duals or four hundred twenty meggie .

supply confusions always been this kind of holy grail of energy, because if you can actually generate prime fusion, the amount of energy IT takes to create the plasma is less than the energy that comes out of the plasma. So it's it's effectively, if infinite, free, cheap plasma. And so the system that people have been building for the last twenty five, thirty years is these are these dona shape systems called token max.

There they they are like a uh circle, like a dona. They spend the plans around inside. And so IT takes a lot of energy and magnets and so want to try make this work. You know, it's a company we talked about a few months ago called commonwealth fusion systems, which uses a new superconducting material to control that placeman use instead of using expensive magnets may just raise one point eight billion dollars and uh you know more recently a the joint um european tourists which is managed by the uh the tomic energy authority in the united kingdom.

H just this week demonstrated um energy output uh from their token ac plasma fusion system where they generated you know fifty nine megawatts of of energy in five seconds, uh which is um a record uh the prior record was set in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven by the same agency they generated sixteen watts of power output. So IT IT was a great breakthrough. And you know to make this all possible has required uh technical breakthrough in electronics, uh technical breakthroughs, sensors and computer and hardware in material science and superconductors.

And so all of this is starting to cover less. That plus missions might actually become a reality. And the ita system, which is the biggest construction project in europe, thirty five nations, have contributed a total of roughly fifty to sixty billion dollars to make the system um is going to go online around twenty twenty seven theyve been building IT for twenty years.

It's going to be a five hundred mego what demonstration system. And if IT works, then IT opens up the door that in the future we may actually be able to turn plastic fusion into an energy source for all of humanity. IT, basically, we use water.

Plasma fusion is made from taking hydrogen in which you would get from water spinning IT around, heeding IT up, getting IT to be really, really dense, and ultimately driving power out of IT. The implications are extraordinary, right? So over the next few decades, IT is appearing more likely that we will have plastic fusion systems working on earth.

And as that happens, energy becomes free and IT becomes unlimited. And with unlimited free energy, we can, tera former, right, we can take ocean water d salad turned into fresh water. We can pump that into deserts, turn them into rain forests.

Um you know the total annual production of energy on earth today, about one hundred and seventy terrible hours, that amount of energy can be generated from just a ten foot by ten foot by ten foot cube of water um that's the amount of energy, amount of material that would be turned into photos that would drive all of the electricity we need on earth. So it's an incredible technology. In an incredible breakthrough, we're starting to see this stuff happen.

One area that I wanted to kind of just highlight, which no one talks about, but which I think is extraordinary ily um important, about one hundred years from now, let's say, as these plastic asian systems work, it's certainly gonna um true that we'll have abundant free energy during the back half of the century and that i'll change everything will decode ize. The atmosphere will reform the planet. We can make whatever we want.

We can build things at a but the same system of plastic mauch. Theoretically, ally can be used to fuel heavy elements, then just hear. So fast forward one hundred or two hundred years, if we can actually make plans, nifty sions systems work, we could also take to make helium to make energy. We could also use them to make heavy elements, like the rare earth metals that we talk about being so important here on earth to make batteries or force for us, uh, which you we're going to run out of on plant earth and about one hundred years, which is a critical component of agriculture and feeding ourselves. So over the next call, one hundred years pleases my fusion systems, I think, back after this century, come online, provide us with abundant free energy.

And then in the twenty second century, I think this idea of nuclear synthesis, the idea that we can actually make the rare earth, or the heavier elements that are limited natural resources here on earth, where we can turn water into gold or water into lithia or water into moldin or into abri, liam or whatever, starts to become a reality. Um and so this to me like I feel like run the eve of pleasure fusion being a reality. You based on some of the results we're seeing and it's it's one after the other, I was going to come online.

Commonwealth fusion had their their materials break through and on and on and on. So this seems to be building up. And so the twenty twenty had a tipping point, and that's right. I think the twenty thirties in the twenty four ties are where this becomes real. And all these problems and concerns we have that climate change and carbon in the atmosphere, all of this stuff can be reversed with infinite energy.

And so so i'm optimistic .

and i'm i'm excited about a lot of what we see.

Let me ask you one question. Obviously, when people start hearing about nuclear reactors and vision, and then they start learning about fusion, they immediately have the chernov les of the world and foot hmas come to mind and nuclear bombs. In this case, when this reaction occurs, my understanding, I interviews a couple of people working on these reactors, is that the reaction just fizzles out, IT just stops.

and then it's not radioactive. So even though these are not radioactive materials that naturally decay into radioactive ions or or particles that can damage the body or damage are these are literally just hybrid in atoms that are fun around. So hot math into each other. So if the machine breaks, everything just turns .

off that and the output, even when it's working, my understanding is some natural, uh, like just air and water. So there's no .

output. There's no there is no forward two hundred years. So now assume I systems work. As you guys know, all technology over time gets Better, faster, cheaper, smaller. So in two hundred years, we could find that we have plans, fusion reactions in every pocket, in every computer, in every phone.

Imagine a world where we no longer need batteries, where we no longer need transmission lines, and where a system can literally pull hydrogen hood of the year, generate electricity on the fly. And IT sounds crazy, but people thought, people would have never thought that the batteries that we put inside the phones would have existed when the first flow cell battery cell was made. You know, whatever, you know, during the early days of of uh of chemistry, electro chemistry.

So you know, the idea that we ve been able to shrink batteries as we have um the idea that able to make generators like we have today, these are concepts that would have been so foreign. So I do think that in two hundred years, if plastic fusion systems work, there's nothing about the laws of physics that says they're limited in scale to only being large. They theoretically could be reduced down so there's no limit to the size they can drop down to and so there could be a world two hundred years from now replies my fusion reactors exist in every component that needs electricity um and so ultimately you can see putting these these systems on um space ships and using them to convert elements from one form to another. And we could live for you know one hundred thousand years on a space ship and just recycle the elements on that space ship to produce all our food and our air, everything. Yes, for sure we could .

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That's nowhere yet. This is honestly, I don't place best on things that take a one hundred thousand years.

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A big part of um the you know just speaking markets for a second. I mention t guys again the last year that I made a bet on energy stocks. And the reason I made a bit of energy stocks is because some of the breakthrough that we're seeing in d carbon zone and renewable energy has driven a reduction in capital improvements across energy infrastructure because people are so optimistic about what's over the horizon and there are so pessimistic about carbon intensive energy systems that we actually have only invested over the past few years in energy infrastructure that is turning out today is critically needed.

So while this is a great long term kind of optimistic worlds scenario is going to be carbon ze energy production and energy systems in the near term, we're actually struggling a bit to meet our energy demands, and there's a lot of leverage that energy producers have over those that are the consumers as we are seeing currently with the russia, ukraine, europe crisis and so on. And so part of the reason for the climate and energy stocks over the last couple of weeks has been largely driven by the fact that we're realizing that this under investment in capex has created a decline in productivity of these assets relative to the demand. And so suddenly everyone's like, oh my god, these things are going be able to charge more, commodity Prices are going up and so on. So you know, it's very hard to think about playing an investment cycle around the stuff because in the near term, they're still significant demand and we only have carbon intensive systems .

to produce energy. What I get future up, if does this mean on an investment? This is, you might see a massive Spike in carbon based fuel systems ROM OK what are you predict happen?

H nobody will support anybody investing in pulling more oil out of the ground theyll theyll support trying to get more from what we have. Um but you know, I don't if I don't know you guys I saw, but you know um there's no support for this whether you're an investor and you go activist on somebody's oil companies, you know whether you're I think they are.

Biden had a big setback because you know he had cleared a hope like millions of acres of offshore land for some some kind of energy extraction that was then just reversed by the courts. No, no, nobody has support for this. But what you're .

saying is exactly right, and it's exactly the reason oil Prices are climbing. I just said you guys a link what's going on today.

but their climbing for the wrong reason. So look, let this just be realistic cure you. We have a cartel. It's called OPEC, you know? Uh and what they do is they decide output and we have some about checks and baLances to OPEC, namely russia and a few other actors who will try to then regulate a supplying demand so that there's mutually assured destruction.

The net result of all of that right now is that we do have some constraint supply for the amount that we need to get to get back to the level of production we had. Prepare the mic. So we are gonna have some sustained energy Prices.

But you saw something really important this past week. Everybody was waiting for this big C. P. I.

Print, right? The consumer Price index print. Everybody thought I was going to be a bad number. IT was a pretty bad number, but the markets were pretty responsive to IT and um and then it's been pretty responsive the rest of the week despite a whole bunch of stuff.

I don't know you guys saw IT like yesterday there was a crazy article where know one of the fed governors was like we should raise by one hundred basis points by july and you know we should do eight raises and and the markets like what are you talk king about? And why is that? Because now people have started to look now.

I've mentioned this before, when you go into a right cycle, we're kind of past worrying about how many we kind of looked to the end and decide what we want to believe about the future. And one of the most interesting things is the rate of change of this inflation was actually lower month over month. And so if you think about IT that way, we had a bad CPI print, but it's actually not going up as much in the fact starting to drill off.

And a lot of economists now forecast basically this inflation peaking or already having Peter over the last few weeks. Consumer sentiment is not so good. A lot of us are now shifting our consumption away from goods to more services.

We're stopping, know the hoarding of the toilet papers of the world, if you are. And so i'm not a big buyer of the trade to be onest with your freebies. C, I think that IT works in the short term. I don't think it's an investment. I think at some point, you're going to have to make a decision about what your view on energy is.

I know I agree, I don't think this is a long term, but I I do think that the macro o sentiment sent the market in one direction and creates this. I created a buying opportunity, which I was pretty clear. And I do think that some of this global tension stuff are seeing .

is only gona drive IT up for a while. I think, however, that the the a this uh, big tax break trade is moving from a trade to an investment actually. And that I didn't expect.

And the reason is I talk to a bunch of folks on wall street over this past week, and they told me two things, and one of them is a side wake, because I think we should talk about microsoft, which is another brilliant move in the lexicon t of business. But what they said was facebook has become a funding short for other investments. Now what does that mean? Everybody was crowded into big tech.

We talked about this before, right? Those five stocks were broadly owned. They were effectively the index. But after that um after that earnings report, a lot of investors, including retail investors, had to decide where to relocate their capital and had to decide where to invest, where the money was going to come from to invest in these other names that were really beat up.

And what works on all three have been telling me is that you know facebook has become what's called the funding short, meaning there is no bid to buy that from institutional owners. They'd rather on the march and sell IT to generate the cash and take and invest in other things. And what you saw over this past week is the body in out of a lot of these growth stocks that we're beat up, right? They raced pretty significantly every day, three, four, five, six percent rallies and other names in big tech of rally really well, including microsoft. And and so I I I think that there is the potential a small potential that, that's going from a trade to an investment, actually a sustainable trend that you can .

bank on for server years, invest in the years, the trade that spread for a but for the winners to be the winners. And that just so people get refresh ed google with google, microsoft, google and then you feel amazon, facebook obviously, and netflix are the losers in that trade, still feel that way. I think that .

microsoft and google are far and away, the winters far away, that what isn't. Look, you saw, you saw, you saw this microsoft thing today, or sorry, this past week.

So smart no ah so just to give catch people up, microsoft has made another savy move to get approval for their seventy five billion dollar activision blizzard vision. They promise their video game absolute to Operate with open market principles. City of the year a satin adel uh and others trained to washing uh, in the adel to travel washing this week to me. With regulators regarding the acquisition proactively going to washington as of those other people who maybe are not good for microsoft president brad smith, we are more focused on adopting ing, adapting to regulation than fighting against at some really interesting come for .

a famous story about the expLoring name hernquist z where you know we've all heard this analogy or this this this a little phrase before um where you know when they were um coming from europe and you know they hit the creamy islands and then are looking for amErica amErica the famous races burn the boats yes right can go back. We have to find our way, make work.

Um the the way that that's been extended in business is sort of what we would call scorch the earth. And there's a competitive move that a lot of businesses, if they are smart enough, can execute, which is to effectively take a key market and take an economic view of that market where you say that we're going to take all the economic value away from IT. And I think this is the first step towards a really interesting play that microsoft could pull, which is essentially to scorch the earth of APP stores.

which is googles and apples, really big money printer.

to make a completely open permission platform with very little to no take rate. And in the market as biggest video games, I think what IT does that creates pressure on all these other mega platforms to essentially copy them. And I think feedback ook mentioned this before.

Google has actually been the best in doing this by finding these key markets. I think I was sex, you know, chrome and other things, and giving them away for free. Google is in a position to make the APP store effectively free.

And then that puts apple on a little bit of a desert island. So Jason, back to why I think you can keep apple in that basket of shorts. The competitive pressures are mounting by by the moves of microsoft that I think are easier for google to copy and very difficult for companies like able to copy because IT creates an incredible disincentive .

yeah and also as part of this open a store concept, they will not use any payment system. So if you're on an iphone and you wanted use apple pay with a google APP purchase, you can do that. If you're on to microsoft, you could use paypal as an example. Sex.

what you what do you think about inflation?

Okay, there was a really instant chart on inflation that actually zero hedge tweet. And I throw up in the notes here where they said real early earnings are negative. One point seven percent is a tenth month in a row where U.

S. Incomes aren't keeping up with inflation. So the problem here is that, you know, people's incomes have increased with inflation, but not as much as the inflation rate.

So the net effective IT is that people are feeling worse off when they go to the grocery store, buy groceries or whenever they need, they don't feel as rich. That's the fundamental problem here. And I think this a lot of people out there who think that there's a free launch that if we printed two trillion worth of steamy checks.

This is the whole that two trillion dollar bill last year that they travelled through. I think the idea was we're going to print as much money as we came for the election is going to help us in the mid terms. Actually IT turns out a boost inflation so much that people are feeling worse off even though their wages were up slightly because on a net basis, their earnings are down.

So I just think it's a good reminder that you can't dislike print a wealth. You can print your way to prosperity. No free lunches. There's no free lunches.

Yeah gonna create addiction to universal income or universal subsidy. Um that's the alternative is people are going to basically try and vote to make some programs that were initially meant to be temporary, more permanent, in order to keep up the a the lifestyle that theyve been come accustomed .

to just to build on access point. Uh, the university michigan sumer center IT was released. I think IT was today this morning and IT shows exactly what he's saying, which is that you know consumers propensity and confidence in the economy has been falling off a Cliff.

You know, the one of a month change was almost, I was down eight point two percent. The year over year changes down almost twenty percent. Tony an on the conditions was down twenty percent, and the index of consumer expectations were down nineteen percent. So to to access point.

people are scared. Yeah, we ve been talking on the show for the last, i'd say, a couple of months about barancy the risk of recession, verse of the risk inflation. Inflation I think has gotten slightly worse at the print.

Went from with the last time was at some point one percent, at some point five percent. So to cmos point earlier is getting worse. But the rate of how fast is but the risk of recession, I think, is increasing because what's keep this economy going is the consumer. And if the consumer sentiment now this one is tanking and people feel poor because of inflation, I just know now the risk are starting to become tim goes down.

This is where governors play a critical role because if they don't open up these economies, we can't actually have a consumer LED consumption rebound of the economy because they aren't any services to buy because you can't actually be around anybody.

So if the economy remains effectively closed and people are done buying, you know tops of margin and toilet paper, uh because you know army gen isn't coming as we were worried that would, what are we supposed to be doing? So this is how these things in a place. So we have to get this again, come back where we start.

We have to get this economy open, and we have to just get back to some sense of Normal y and the consumer will lead us how? But I think, sax, you're right on the margin. I think the risk is towards the recession because people don't see this tomos well known stanford, he said.

I think he's a senior follow at at hover um you know he he has his comment, which is effectively taxes are bad for the rich and the poor, but inflation is bad just for the poor. And the reason he says that is because you know if you're wealthy, you can transition to assets that are sort of inflation, adjust that or inflation protected, right? You can consume as as you can purchase as to protect yourself.

But inflation is an exceptionally regressive means of the government taking compensation away from your current compensation. And IT is proportionally affects working class ordinary people. And so if you have real wages at our negative inflation, that's high, that's confiscated ory, right?

You you are meaningfully less well off than you were before. And the wealthy folks have a way to hedge. But Normal, ordinary working class people do not. And on the margin, then if they then do not go out and spend, the problem will be some sort of recessionary effect.

I also think if we open up more, people might, since they are so lonely and getting weird saying at home, think they might actually want to go do jobs to socialize and do things. I'm seeing, uh, people want to get out and do you know trips with their teams and there they're sick of staying home. Salesforce just bought a retreats, and we saw this out of the city, the bay area. And because betting off got a concern, I guess, that all these employees he hired over two years who have never met another salwar e employee are getting weird and lonely. And, you know, I think story is going to be very.

I think, David, you're right. I think history is going to be a really judgmental of biden if he is the last person to basically give the Green light and all of these democratic governors basically revolt and open up the underneath, you know uh either silence or the complete opposite point of view. This is a really bad set up.

one national journal, which again is not some right in publication. They're just sort of a an analyst of what's happening in washing, said the article. Binding is blowing his cove at moment. He was elected to lead us back enormously.

He all you had to do was say, guys, it's time for the restrictions to come off and take credit for the fact that we were that the old country is ready to move on and he's kind of missed IT and but this trucks convoy is coming a wasson and gives him one more chance, I think, to get on the right side of this because there's really two ways you can react. One is to treat them as know, domestic terrorists, racist, White premises interaction, aries, or he can embrace them. And to all yes to do is say, listen, we love you, we respect you.

We hear here, you, we agree with you as time for these Mandate to end. And you know what? Thank you, Rachel.

Well, in ski and Anthony y. Fouche for your service. We understand you just try to keep the country safe, but thank you very much.

Worried and move on. We're getting rid of all these restrictions. His popularity would like bounced five points, ten points. He did that. Yeah.

i'm betting he's going to. I mean, he's he's always represented the working man and woman of this country. That's been his thing from the beginning.

I bet he does. If you look at omicron, remember the scariness of december hate. This thing is spreading thirty, forty, fifty times faster.

I wonder if it's going to have the same death rate and we didn't know, and now we know, and it's liberate two months later, we know that the curve in south africa, same as a curve in new york, in california, up and down. And then the only people who die seemingly are immune, promised or on vacation. Apple, so feels like the perfect .

who really let us back to Normal. see. I mean, we really need to give credit to all the people who fought. It's the moms who went to the schoolboy meetings, were denounced domestic terrorists.

They are the ones who put pressure to appeal these mass main dates on their kids, which, by the way, aren't even fully off in new york and california. Adults who were massing more, but the kids do. It's the scientist, is the scientist of the great barring and declaration, who were demonized and called friends and and cooks and expertly.

There's there are the ones of the real data against lockdown s not the N I age. It's these truckers who are basically opposing main dates. These are the people who are dragging us back to Normalcy, and is the politicians who are reacting to that when the polls change. And I think what the people want now is some real leadership is a politician who gets up there and the leads us back to Normal. Cy.

why can't by and do that there? A, you know a couple people in one of them was a mom in new york who is running for congress against, you know, an t an entrench democrat and she's, I mean, you know, she's just a good, hard did mom who was like, this is enough, enough, enough. I need to get back to Normal, see, my kids need to get back in school.

We still have mass monday here in california. Kids are still warning .

a mass um it's becoming tribal warfare among gs. The democrats in california because even when you know the the governor basically said, okay, mass Mandates can go on estate the the county supervisors, we had not decided. So for example, in sanok account.

they not suggest I there's a health. And unlike to be a crate health act, Barbara SHE calls the shots on covet after newson basically said that the mass can come off, he says, no, they can't. Not until April.

Who is this person giving us orders? SHE told this to the border supervisors down there, and we're all this most to listen. Now the reason why he has the authority is because newsome is granted to her under a newsom state of emergency. So what he should do is and that what is the emergency? The civs happening this weekend in the state, and everyone is going to be their mastless.

I mean, I was at the worst game last night, and you had people wearing the most flimsy of masks that does nothing to protect people taking them off, whether eating and drinking, and then people walking around with signs, the security guards head signs that said, please put your mask on and they were walking up to people like, kid, you're not and putting this like little round sign uh in people s faces and not talking to them just and they would stand there unto you, put your mass bag on and like you you're literally eating a hot dog and then you put the hot dog down and then they come up and put the signing your fact about I mean was getting unnecessarily confrontational and just weird and and know where else you're seeing IT and then you go to a restaurant and the employees are wearing masks and nobody know.

I hope I hope you can find IT. So there was this clip on twitter um when the mask Mandate was lifted in nava and IT was a clip of kids in like great tour three and they went crazy. okay.

And the reason they were so excited was like they got to be Normal again. And the explanation I had never heard this more beautiful ly said, these children can finally see their friends' emotions on their face. Can you imagine if you are four, five, six, seven years old and you cannot understand the emotions of other kids because you're covered up in a mask and .

your had an experience school two years in school.

has never attended a day of school without them.

like there's kids out there who never had.

And I, I, I was at horses with one of my kids last weekend. Bunch of kids out their writing, it's Sunny, it's outside. They're on a horse.

They're wearing mass in a voluntary optional situation. I'm just like how brain washed this generation that we're raising. I mean, they going to be so neurotic, but they're also like brain washed. Me, yes, it's crazy. We see IT in the bay .

area like i'll have a party with the kids or a group of kids come over and there's two or three parents who show up at the that we only do out to our party services. Y two or three of the ten kids will have mass on. Their parents will have mass son, and like the most intense and ninety five like sealed masks and like you want to take your mascot for a picture and one of the kids refused to take your mask off for a picture outside at at a birthday party like OK.

Listen, I mean, when I supported the last monday, the very ginning of the pandemic, you know, he was always as an interview measure. If I had known that people would want to continue this thing forever, there's no I was supported.

but I also probably was effective in the early days.

But of the first, we know what the psychological impact children is when they don't understand other people's emotions. And you do IT over a long period. I think that's a fair state.

But we don't know the impact and it's probably not zero. And so at some point, we need to look at the risks, calculate some expected value and the people we need to prioritize are those that are the Youngest. okay.

And i've said this before, and it's like the teacher's unions need to understand that calculus. Parents already understand that calculus. I don't think the state legislators, governors and the federal bureaucracy yet understands calculus. But it's time to return to Normal and it's time return. Sorry, I on this point, I would like to bring up something. Uh the acl you think um just because I think I would love to get your take on you know talking about civil liberties and freedoms, there are things that are happening here under our noses every day um under democratic and republican uh presidents that to me when I saw this on the A C L you twitter feed yesterday was shocking. J and you anna um tea that up alright.

In other news, the sea has been secretly conducting surveilLance programs to capture america's private information. On thursday, a democratic centers wide in and hinrich uh center letter to director of the C, I, A and the director of national intelligence, little called for greater transparency in the C, I into the C, I is data collection of private U.

S, specially the C, I use executive order twelve, three, three, three, uh, which were signed byran on in 10 one together data on U。 S. citizens.

The letter notes the program was quote entirely outside the statutory framework that congress and the public believe govern the collection and without any judicial, congressional or even executive branch oversight that comes from fisa. That's the foreign religous surround act collection quote. What these documents demonstrate is that many of the same concerns that americans have about their privacy of liberties also applied to how the C. I collects and handles information under executive vote and outside a fees, a law in particular. These documents survey serious problems associated with warrant task back door searches of americans, the same issue that has generated by partisan concern in the VISA.

Where, where, where is the mainstream media while they breathlessly run around chasing cancellation stories? Where are they to report and to hold accountable this stuff? And where are politicians in actually doing their job? But you know, I don't think there's ever been this kind of overreach that's just constantly been going on with zero accountability or transparency into, you know, the FBI is responsible for domestic laws, right? And the FBI has a very clear path in which they need to get in order to people to survey U.

S. citizens. And in the fact that we give an agency whose responsibility lie is actually foreign, yes, to basic, I, I is supposed to work .

only on international, not domestic, and then to .

basically spy on its citizens with zero accountability reporting. This seems to be a pretty important issue that should at least be discussed, especially in the world. Now we're executive power, just keeps rapping up and ramping up what's going on.

And there's zero transparency, accountability. If I didn't randomly see this on an A C L U. Tweet.

would we even be talking about this? Probably not any. And the other thing that's no crazy about IT is I think the way they get away with this trump and this has been something that the patriot act had um a similar technique is the the C I A and some other organizations will track international people of interest, money wanders and then stay in order to track them. Well, anybody they contact in amErica is fair game or or if you know and so you can get the medals ata from the phone calls in the emails. And I think that's how a lot of this .

what this letter seems to say. We just there's a broad scale surveilLance program against U. S. Citizens that is indeterminate a in scope and scale, right? So I don't know that seems very different than that.

And in in peral to this, there is also the announcement that the department of homeland security is creating this major aarau sis infrastructure to go after domestic terrorists. Well, look, if they mean people who actually, like set off bombs or to make real crimes, fine. But to matheu ask where the media is, the media is defining routine political descent as domestic terrorism.

Now, I mean, you hear this type of threat, inflation. We've heard these truckers even described as interactions. So, you know, how are these programs going to be used? As really the question, you create this massive m infrastructure on the executive branch.

We've seen that in washington, this trend towards criminalizing political disagreements, where democrats or republicans have been putting their partisans in jail for years. But are they now going to apply this to political disagreements in the country? Can they use these powers to go after truckers who are engaging and civil disobedience? Can they use these surveilLance powers to go after somebody who just tweets things on social media that they don't like? I mean, these are the open questions yeah very well.

And it's also hard to determine because you might have some people on the right who are protesting is something in a very valid way and then you get some watch job like the earth keepers were bringing in tons of weapons outside the dc area on january six. So there's a valid concern here with all those weapons eo keepers brought and their plans to do a court need to take over after they first got in there. But then the other gypt there are probably there, have fun and bang drums and support trump, right?

So do you think these truckers are engaging action?

What I mean, we don't know, and I don't think so. No, I mean, if they if they bring a bunch of guns, then guess we should have concerns. But I don't think they are the .

when you have an executive order that is not governed by the standard guard rules that we used to have checks and baLances between these kinds of government agencies and the people and the elected officials that we elect, here's how IT basically gets in a really tRicky place.

You have let's i'm just going to use Justin trudeau, quote, OK, but replaced that person with any politician in power hey, there's a small fringe minority of people um who are on their way here. They hold unacceptable views. Well you know what that person is going to do? That person is going to want to do everything in their power to basically understand, break apart um and tear up. That french minority group now isn't that scary, right?

When you have this overheated political retorted that describes your political opponents, your yes as enemies as wise, you premises as not see, does interaction is as domestic terrorists? Why wouldn't then the law enforcement arms of our government then treat them that way? I mean, does the department of human security, or the the C I, or the F B I, do they understand that the politicians are engaging in reti c and threat inflation? Or will they take that those invocations literally to what we have to investigate and stop these?

I think you've done department of justice on a pretty good job of that.

I I just brought this up because I think it's really important for somebody in the mainstream media of which many listen to post. You have a responsibility to actually double click into this issue and figure out what's going on, please. Yeah for on behalf of all of us.

by the way, like if you guys, I mean, wall street journal, the new work times BBC, everyone covered IT today. But the story today is that lawmakers made this claim with no details and no evidence. So i'm sure the investigations are underway. I mean, the journalists are clearly leaning in to identify you the the evidence behind the story. And i'm sure more will come out over the coming days and wait.

And in fairness, like you said, is the justice department doing this even handily? They were very specific with the the january six interaction sex where they went after earth keepers, because they had a coordinated, they are maltin. They literally referred to themselves as malaya. And those people are getting treated very different than the people who broke glass or SAT on parents polite people are in three months suspended sentences, six months sentences and the oath keepers who are militia, they call themselves a malaya they are dangerous um and they're treating them very differently and they are the only ones who are being charged with the more serious ten to twenty sentences. So I would say they are doing a great job or everybody has been an amazing journey from a truckers to georgia and all all the way to uranium and back for the rain man David sacks, the sult of science student.

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