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The CDC changed its COVID vaccine guidance. What does that mean for you?

2025/5/29
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: 作为卫生与公众服务部部长,我很高兴地宣布,针对健康儿童和孕妇的新冠疫苗已从美国疾病控制与预防中心(CDC)的推荐免疫计划中移除。这一决定旨在根据最新的科学证据和专家建议,优化疫苗接种策略,确保资源得到最有效的利用。我们始终致力于保障公众健康,并将继续监测疫情动态,适时调整相关政策。 Martin McCary: 作为食品药品监督管理局(FDA)的专员,我认为目前没有证据表明健康儿童需要接种新冠疫苗,而且大多数国家已经停止推荐儿童接种。我们的决策是基于对现有数据的全面评估,包括疫苗的有效性、安全性以及疾病的流行病学特征。我们将继续关注最新的研究进展,并根据需要调整我们的建议。 Ari Shapiro: 作为主持人,我主要关注的是,更改这些指南可能会使一部分人面临风险。特别是,如果疫苗不再被推荐给儿童和孕妇,那些仍然希望接种疫苗的人是否还能获得疫苗?保险公司是否会继续报销疫苗费用?这些问题直接关系到公众的健康和福祉,需要认真对待和解决。 Peter J. Hotez: 作为疫苗科学家,我对新的指导方针感到震惊和失望,因为我们知道新冠疫苗接种对孕妇和儿童都非常重要,尽管原因不同。孕妇感染新冠病毒后,病情通常更严重,住院率和死亡率也更高。疫苗接种可以显著降低孕妇的住院率,并保护新生儿免受感染。此外,FDA似乎没有充分考虑疫苗接种对预防儿童长期新冠的影响。如果有人仍然希望接种疫苗,保险公司是否会报销还是个未知数,因为通常疫苗的公共卫生用途是由CDC和ACIP决定的,但现在这些程序都被绕过了。如果保险不报销,每剂130美元的价格对很多人来说是一笔不小的开支。因此,如果我的女儿或我爱的人怀孕了,并且新冠传播很多,我会强烈建议她们接种疫苗。对于青少年或儿童,如果您担心长期新冠,我也会建议继续每年接种疫苗。

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The CDC has released new guidelines on COVID-19 vaccination, removing the vaccine recommendation for healthy children and pregnant women. This decision was announced by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and FDA Commissioner Dr. Martin McCary, citing a lack of evidence for its necessity in these groups.
  • New COVID-19 vaccine guidelines released by the federal government.
  • Recommendation removed for healthy children and pregnant women.
  • Based on the lack of evidence of necessity for these groups.

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This week, the federal government released new guidelines on who should be vaccinated for COVID-19. Hi, everybody. I'm Robert F. Kennedy Jr., your HHS secretary. Kennedy, who leads the Department of Health and Human Services, announced the change in a one-minute video posted on X. I couldn't be more pleased to announce that as of today, the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women...

has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule. Also in the video, Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Martin McCary. There's no evidence healthy kids need it today, and most countries have stopped recommending it for children. The announcement comes after the FDA changed its approach to COVID vaccines, prioritizing immunizations for people at highest risk of serious complications.

Some clinicians worry that changing these guidelines could put people at risk. Consider this. The COVID vaccine has saved lives. Now that the CDC has stopped recommending kids and pregnant women get the shot, will the vaccine still be available to those who want it? And will insurance cover it? From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro.

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It's Consider This from NPR. To understand how the federal government's changes to COVID vaccine policy will affect people's access to the shots, we reached out to Dr. Peter J. Hotez. I helped develop a low-cost COVID vaccine, 100 million doses in low- and middle-income countries. I develop other vaccines, so I'm a vaccine scientist. Dr. Hotez is the dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. He told me about his initial reaction to the new guidance.

Shock and disappointment because we know how important COVID vaccinations were both for pregnant women and for children, although for different reasons. In the case for pregnant women,

First of all, as anyone who was working in an intensive care unit between 2020 and 2023 knows, pregnant women did not do well with COVID the virus. On average, they had much higher rates of severe illness requiring hospitalizations or even intensive care unit monitoring, and sometimes they didn't survive. The data that we have so far suggests that if pregnant

pregnant women were vaccinated against COVID. It had multiple benefits, predominantly including, you know, by one analysis suggesting a 90, 94% reduction in hospitalization for pregnant women who got vaccinated. So on top of that, getting vaccinated helped

The newborn baby, the newborn infant who could also be exposed to COVID had much lower rates of hospitalization. So to me, it makes no sense. So that's pregnant women. On the question of healthy children, FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty McCary said most countries have stopped recommending these vaccines for kids. Is that true? And if so, does it make sense for the U.S. to follow? You know, I think one of the problems with the way the current leadership of the FDA looks at COVID vaccines is very much the way they

portrayed it when they were talking heads on Fox News, which is they were only looking at one parameter, which was case fatality rates or infection mortality rates, which of course are much lower in children, although a significant number of children do die annually from COVID. But here's the part that they really missed the ball on, which is the impact of vaccinating children for long COVID-19.

There was last year a very important study showing significant benefit for both children and adolescents and both the Delta wave in 2021 and the BA.1 Omicron wave in 2022 are preventing long COVID-19.

So in their calculus, it doesn't look like the FDA at all is considering the impact of long COVID. If somebody still wants the shot, despite the federal government's recommendation, is insurance likely to cover it? So this is where I'm going to give you a pretty, I don't know the answer to your question answer, a pretty long one, which is I don't think we know. First of all, you know, usually it's not the FDA signing off on the public health use of

of a vaccine. This is why we have a Centers for Disease Control. This is why we have an Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices known as ACIP to make those recommendations. So the decision on how the vaccines are used are typically made in collaboration between ACIP and the CDC director.

And that's often the basis for recommending the vaccine for the Vaccines for Children's program, for the insurers. And all of that now has been bypassed. So I think we're in kind of an unknown territory now. What does it mean that the FDA has skirted all of that or Health and Human Services and just kind of made this unilateral decision that

which on top of that is not evidence-based. So question one, what do the pharmacy chains do? Do they continue to offer vaccines for pregnant women or for kids? What do the pediatric practices do? That's question one. The next question is going to be, will the insurance companies cover it? And then if that weren't confusing enough,

If you remember, the leadership of the Food and Drug Administration, Dr. McCary, the FDA commissioner, and the head of CBER, the Center for Biologics Evaluation Research, Dr. Vinay Prasad, issued a guidance document where they specifically said that

that pregnancy is, quote, a risk factor for warranting vaccinating individuals who might not otherwise qualify. And just to be clear, if it isn't covered by insurance, it's pretty expensive, right?

Well, it certainly can be. I know this, I was not very happy when Pfizer and Moderna, after they took a lot of U.S. taxpayer dollars, they jacked up the price. I think at the last look, it was around $130 a dose. So that is a significant expense for a lot of people.

So bottom line, what is your advice for people who want to be as protected as they can be? Certainly, if for my daughter or loved one who was pregnant and there was a lot of COVID transmission, I would strongly suggest that they get vaccinated to protect themselves and

protect their soon-to-be newborn infant. For an adolescent or a child, if you're concerned about long COVID, I would also recommend keeping up with annual immunizations. And I suppose the same applies for a healthy kid or adolescent who lives with an elderly person or an immunocompromised person or someone else who might be vulnerable.

Yeah, and this is another consideration as well, both for those now made ineligible because they're considered healthy. You have to consider the fact that we have many also adults who

in their 50s and early 60s or 40s who are taking care of older parents and are worried about transmitting the virus to their parents. There is some impact on reduction of transmission in terms of virus shedding. So that's yet another consideration. That is Dr. Peter J. Hotez, co-director of the Texas Children's Hospital Center for Vaccine Development and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. Thank you. Thank you.

This episode was produced by Kai McNamee. It was edited by Tinbeat Hermes with audio engineering support from Tiffany Vera Castro. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Ari Shapiro.

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