Jillian Michaels: You Don't Need Ozempic
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Welcome to the Jason in the House podcast. I'm Jason Chaffetz and really appreciate you joining us. I think you're going to enjoy it. This one's a little different, not a hardcore politician, somebody who's in the depths of doing oversight work or, you know, a senator or something like that. This time we're going to talk to somebody, though, that you probably all know. And if not, you probably should know because she is one of the most influential politicians.

fitness gurus and folks out there. Her name is Jillian Michaels. And I can tell you, she has been an integral part of our household. And you're going to learn a lot more about that because particularly my wife, Julie, and I, huge fans of Jillian.

the way she does things. And again, we're going to talk all of it, but we're really excited to have Jillian Michaels kind of give her perspective on life and fitness and feeling good. And, and she's, she's just got a very interesting background. So we look forward to having that conversation with her and it's really going to be fun. All right. As you know, as we start this podcast, going to give a little bit of highlight on the news. We're going to highlight the stupid because there's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere. And,

And then we're going to get on the phone, get on the line with Jillian Michaels. So, all right, let's get into the news. Really hated to see this. All the news that was happening in the country with Supreme Court cases and the Donald Trump cases and all that kind of slid under the radar here. But one of the more nefarious characters out there, certainly the allegations of what he did, Harvey Weinstein.

was charged with rape. But that was overturned on appeal, four to three. Now they're going to have to retry that case. Evidently, what they're saying is that there were people that were allowed to give testimony that had nothing to do with this particular case.

and by a four to three count, the appellate judges said that was wrong, and he didn't get a fair trial, and he'd have to go back and do it again. And this is just devastating. I mean, the number of allegations, the salacious nature of this. Look, if he's innocent, he's innocent, and you don't want to convict somebody who's innocent. But the severe number of things that are going on here, I really kind of...

question whether or not that that's that's the case or not but you know what they're going to have to go back and do that again uh unfortunately so um that's not a good thing all right another thing in the news um gotta watch out for this i'm a big privacy advocate i believe under the fourth amendment and uh others that you have the expectation as an american to privacy

that not everything you do is for public consumption. Whether you're a celebrity like Jillian or you're a private individual, I think every American has a reasonable expectation of privacy. And there's a new camera out. It's called a, I don't know if you say NUCCA, but it's N-U-C-A. This was introduced overseas. It's

marketed as evidently a AI deep fake camera. And the whole idea is that you take a picture and then it will show you what you would look like with no clothes on.

using AI models based on your eyeset, your jawline, whatever else. This is what it's supposed to be. Not, hey, I'll take this and then I'll mesh together a different photo with another photo. No, this is the scary part of which we're living. And I think it's going to affect everything from politics to children to your way of life. All of a sudden you're going to wake up and

All of a sudden, there's a deep fake. I mean, the deep fake stuff is so good these days. And imagine how good it's going to get in the coming years, whether it be videos or audios. You've heard the horror stories about...

People, you know, hey, this person, I'm holding this person, they're ransom, and it sounds like your child. This deepfake stuff is getting really, really scary. And this camera, and then this camera is just exacerbating and trying to mark itself on it. We really, as a people, as a nation, we've got to really pay attention to this. We really do. All right, another thing making the big news is this dog, Shamrock.

The shamrock dog is really pretty cool because evidently this litter of dogs was had and there was a very rare combination of the bile evidently in the dog. And so of this litter, one of the dogs was born.

And it's sort of this lime green. They named the dog Shamrock. Now, unfortunately, the coat is going to go away. It's normally a white dog, but all the rest of the litter is all white, except this one came out green. So this dog in Florida, huge online sensation. It's called Shamrock. You can look it up. It's actually very, very cute. All right. Time to bring on the stupid, because as we say, there's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere.

All right, we're going to Florida, as we often do. A woman there, she's supposedly the most expensive mermaid on the planet. She is charging upwards of $10,000 an hour to be at a mermaid that will show up at your event. Now, she has done performances for birthdays and I'm sure other types of things. And she will show up as a full-fledged, dressed up and swim in your pool or whatever as a mermaid.

And she's performed with the Jonas Brothers. Bruno Mars had an event. So they'll pay her to be there as a mermaid. And I don't know if it's her boyfriend or husband or somebody works with her. And he's dressed like Aquaman or something like that in case she gets herself into trouble because she's got her legs all... I don't want to give away any secrets. But yeah, talk about stupid. $10,000 an hour?

To dress up as a mermaid swimming around in the pool. Yep, there's somebody in this world making money doing that. And it's all well. All right, time to bring on Jillian Michaels because Jillian's been a huge, huge part of the Chaffetz household and just thrilled that she would come and join us on the Jason in the House podcast. So let's dial up and get Jillian on the phone.

All right. So I'm thrilled to have Jillian Michaels join us. Thanks so much for joining us on this podcast. I appreciate it. It's absolutely my pleasure. Thank you for having me. I need you to know that you have been omnipresent in the Chaffetz household for like the last eight years.

And I'm not kidding you. My wife, okay, so she does your fitness app, okay? For those of you at home, it's just called the fitness app. It's pretty simple, straightforward. So Julie looked up, my wife's name is Julie. She has done 1,272 workouts, burning 701,219 calories.

That's amazing. Oh, she loves it. We go back. Look, I want you to know I did the 30 day shred back when it was on the DVD. No, you did not. Oh, yes, I did. Oh, yes, I did.

Now, I'm impressed. Well, if I you know, I look back on this and, you know, you're one of the most famous faces out there and you've got a good message, which is don't quit. I'm not going to let you slow down. Get your butt in gear because this is a workout. You're not going to like I love that you don't coddle people. You just like get after it. Get this done. And I love it.

Oh, thank you. I don't think coddling works in the long term. I've never seen it work in my entire three-decade career, but there's always time to be proven wrong. Well, no, you've got a good message. So look, my guess is most people listen to this, they know who you are and they're aware of what you've done. Maybe they're doing your workouts, maybe you're not.

But there's some people who are like, I have no idea who she is. And so what I really want to do is go back to I was born in and kind of walk through how you became you. But to give a sense of an overview of here, what you're doing, you have this fitness app, right? It's called literally called the fitness app. And you've been doing a podcast since like before podcasts, this keeping it real podcast. Yeah.

And I'm just telling you from Jason Chaffetz, especially Julie Chaffetz, it works. You are really good at what you do and how you do it. So how do you explain to people what it is you're trying to accomplish and what you want to have people do when they're working out?

Sure. I mean, I'm trying to accomplish what they're trying to accomplish. So my job is to help people live a happier, healthier life. And that can look like whatever they want it to look like. You know, it could look like

improved fertility. It could look like I'm getting married this summer and I want to look great in my dress. It could be, I lost a loved one to breast cancer and I want to run a 5k and raise money for the cause in their honor. I mean, the list goes on and on. I want to pick up my great grandchildren when I'm 80 years old, you know, the whole thing.

So it really just depends on what health looks like for the individual. And then I simply give them the information to take action on. And the information honestly really boils down to common sense, but there's so much misinformation in the world.

That I kind of help them cut through the noise, figure out what to do, and hopefully help inspire them to do it. All right. So like I said, we've been talking about my wife, Julie, a lot here. She toggles between the booty boot camp and the bridal boot camp.

That's what she's working on right now. Like she loves it. She just loves it. And you know, short workouts, longer workouts, but they usually kick your butt no matter how long or short they are. And the boxing, she loves the boxing. I didn't know she would like that.

The bridal workout. I'm a little concerned there. I don't know. Why is she doing that one? I think it's good. The girl is fit. She could keep up with you at some point. You're going to be doing something live. She's going to be able to keep up with you. I'm really proud of her for being in her mid-50s. She's doing great. And I need to do better. I need to aspire to what she does and what you do.

Oh, I love it. That's fantastic. I love hearing stories like that. Okay, but let's go back, okay? Little Jillian, right? You were born in – kind of walk us through. Don't go too fast. We've got a little time on the podcast. Okay. All right. You were born in? Oh, 1974. Well, I didn't mean the year. I meant like where, but okay, 1974. Yes, okay. I was born in California. California.

you know, very normal, typical upbringing. Uh, I struggled with food as a kid. And how so? How, what were you, what was the struggle with food? I mean, I ate a lot of ding dongs, Twinkies. I mean, I loved them. Corn dogs. I just ate. God bless the eighties, man. I'm telling you. Frozen ding dong. There was nothing better in my teenage years. Oh,

Oh, my God, with the tinfoil wrapping. I remember. Yes, and they were so good. Jillian, I would go to McDonald's and I'd have two Big Macs. Like, no problem. I wouldn't even think about it.

But now that I'm in my mid-50s, I struggle with it. I know, right? It's crazy. I literally can recite my Taco Bell order from my preteen years. Two bean and cheese burritos with no onions. Why in the name of God would you put onions in those, by the way? Gross. I agree with you. Extra cheese. Had to have the extra cheese. And a taco supreme. And the best part is I would order a Diet Coke. I mean, mother of God. Was that 32-ounce Diet Coke? Yeah, exactly. I mean, so culturally speaking...

Starting around that time, we were kind of set up to fail. Everything was processed and cheap and loaded with chemicals and loaded with calories. But for me in particular, I have a genetic predisposition on my father's side. I actually have four obesity genes.

And my mom was kind enough to give me the ApoE4 Alzheimer's gene. So whenever I'm mad at my parents, I bring this up constantly to really rub it in and make sure that I'm well-esconced in the will, I'll have you know. That said, my dad struggled with obesity and food was one of the things that we bonded over. It was how we honestly, we related to each other. So

It was like, oh, you want to go to our favorite chicken shawarma place or mom's at night school. But we could make homemade ice cream. And it became not only a way to bond with my dad, but a source of comfort, a source of control. I was bullied as a kid, in particular in junior high. So food was...

That thing, you know, that thing you look forward to, that thing that you can access. And I got up to about 170 pounds by the time I was 13. And my mom had the foresight to get me into martial arts. And that's really the inception of my transformation, if you will. So what did... I mean...

I find athletics really, I mean, I played athletics. I've played college athletics. And so, you know, learning how to win, how to lose, but how to work out, how to take care of yourself. And you really do feel better. You know, it's so hard, I think, to get started.

You know, somehow, some way you stop. But when you do it, there's like this just rush of energy and feeling good that you get. I don't care if you're 12 years old or, you know, 52 years old. You're still going to have that. And it's such a positive thing. But what did you like about the martial arts? I mean, because, yeah, you're right. Not a lot of teenagers necessarily do that.

It wasn't actually the physical piece. All of that ended up being the thing that helped redefine my belief in what I was capable of. Because you end up performing physical tasks in the studio that you didn't think you were capable of doing. So it kind of opens up this infinity of possibility. It's like, wow, I always thought I was kind of the

lazy, slow kid. And I just broke two boards with a sidekick or I just passed my second degree blue belt test. And it begins to redefine your self image and your self worth. But it also provided me with a very supportive community where I felt like I belonged at an age and a time where every other aspect of my life presented me with the opposite of

the opposite environment, the opposite emotion. I was just very lucky to have found it at such an impressionable place in my life. And it really was transformational for me. It definitely formed a large part of my personality and makes up a huge aspect of how I approach my work.

So but where did that inner drive come from? I mean, because you get after it, but you also you have a unique ability. I mean, there are a lot of quite frankly, there are a lot of fitness instructors out there, right? You could go to your local gym. You could go online and find countless. But you've you've been a lot more successful than most. Why do you think that is?

Uh, there are several reasons. Um, obviously, you know, you've got luck, you know, meaning luck meeting preparation, right? Opportunity meets preparation. You get this opportunity, you're prepared for it. So I was lucky enough to finally get the opportunity, but I was prepared for it when it arrived in my life. So there's, there's that. And you can't deny that. Um, that said, I'm sure, uh,

Many trainers in Los Angeles at that time went up for that job and I ended up being the one getting it. And if you were to ask me why, I would say I'm passionate about what I do. There's an authenticity in my work. I maintain integrity in my messaging. And whether you like me or not,

It's irrefutable that I have never sold out. I don't get behind things I don't actually believe in. I don't change my position on things unless I'm proven wrong. You know, it's not like I, oh, keto, I'm going to make money on keto. So we're going to do the Jillian Michaels keto protein powder. Oh, cause that's a cool trend. Our, oh, you know, these GLP one weight loss drugs are making people hand over fist money. We're going to sell it on my app.

just like all the other apps in this area, and I'm going to make money there. That's just not what I do. And I think the ability to be honest and authentic, passionate, and deliver results is the key to lasting success. Yeah, I think you're right. I'm thinking back, why do I like it? I love it because, you know, like I do it.

maybe not as consistently and certainly she'll do two, sometimes three a day. So, you know, um, uh, but I, I, she, I said, why do you like it? She said, I love her voice. That was really interesting that she just the tone, their voice or your tone and approach. Like it's like pushing her. And, and I think that's part of it, but the not selling out, I think is a good thing. And, and,

You know, there seems to be every year there's a trend. I mean, right now these, you know, hey, pop these pills, lose all this weight. I mean, we've heard that story before. But from your vantage point, you must see all the good, the bad, and the ugly. What do people need to know about this? And what do you say to somebody who says, hey, look, I just, I got to lose 80 pounds and this is how I'm going to do it. You know, I, God, I hear it all the time.

Just yesterday, I had a dad at my son's soccer game come up to me and he's like, you know, I started talking about these drugs and my parents are overweight and I don't know what to do. And isn't it better than doing nothing? And then a good friend of mine, same thing. She's like, the doctors put both my parents on it and my sister.

And I just ask, I'm like, okay, how are the side effects going? And she's like, well, we were in the ER last week. Really? Yikes. Yeah. Swear to God. I'm like, okay. And you know, their eyes, vision issue. Everybody has a different issue. I've yet to meet someone, by the way, that's sailing right through it. I, every single person in my life who's, you know, a friend of a friend, a friend's parents, you

There's always a problem. Overwhelming nausea, diarrhea in the emergency room. There's always something. So, you know, my answer on these drugs are as follows. And I keep hearing it in particular with older parents. People keep coming to me with their older parents who are overweight and they're on like a suite of pharmaceuticals, 12 to 15 different drugs. And here's the problem. And I'm going to be brutally honest with you.

You can leave it. Right. And they probably won't do anything because they haven't like what's changed. And yeah, probably going to have a poor quality of life. And in a decade, you're going to lose them to one of the top causes of death.

heart disease cancer cognitive decline metabolic dysfunction and all the things associated with it and that's the vicious reality so that that sets the desperation in of like we got to do something we got to do something i'm talking don't do that i'm so sorry jason what what do you want i'm so sorry hold on all right need some attention what kind of dog is that by the way well

Well, this is my wife's rescue during COVID. And he's a, believe it or not, he's a German Shorthair Pointer. And I don't know how this dog was in a rescue. He was a Lebanese street dog. So don't even ask me how the heck. Now he's going to watch him scratch to come in. So anyway, he's...

Very needy, very needy and always, always interrupting when I'm working. Most people have young children that interrupt their Zooms. I have this one dog, thanks to my wife. Okay, sorry. Horrible scenario number two.

is your parents go on this. They're older. Now I encourage you to listen to what Dr. Peter Atia says about people in his practice on GLP ones. And I will quote him. I am seeing muscle loss at an alarming rate. He's seeing it on DEXA scans and what he does, at least the last time I saw him speak about it, which wasn't that long ago, um,

use it as an absolute last resort and he won't even put patients on it unless he does a DEXA scan first to see how much muscle they're working with. And for older patients, he would never recommend it because they cannot afford to lose any muscle. So you got a problem, right? You've got an older person, you're going to put them on the drug and

And for about a year and a half, it's going to go great. They're probably going to have pretty intense side effects. But let's say they're the outlier and they can get through the nausea, the vomiting, the constipation, the diarrhea, and they manage to avoid it.

The more rare, because 50% for the other stuff is the number, but things like pancreatitis, gallbladder problems, kidney issues, vision problems, thyroid cancer, intestinal blockage, stomach paralysis. Let's say they dodge that bullet, which would be fantastic. I really hope so. Now we're two years in.

and they're thinner, and they feel better. However, the drug stops working.

And this is where I kind of draw my line in the sand because between weeks 68 and 72, there is a plateau. And I don't mean a weight loss plateau like, oh, we pause and then it keeps rolling. No, it stops working. That's why Tracy Morgan just came out and said, I found a way to eat through it. You didn't find a way to eat through it. It became less effective and it has in every single study.

Now, what are you going to do? It stops working. And we know from all the meta-analyses, every single study on it, that when people get off of the drug, they gain two-thirds of the weight back within the first year. And then yo-yo diet, gain it all back, and then some beyond that time frame. So my point is, now we're 70, 72, 73, and you're two years in, you feel great. But where are we four years in, five years in?

And you can never get off of the drug. So we also don't know. I swear to God, they will tell you in perpetuity on these drugs, they don't really know what it looks like. Does it dramatically increase your chances of getting one of those more nefarious side effects? This is my guess and my opinion.

probably, but we simply don't know. And if it's going to stop working anyway, now they've lost a ton of muscle. They've lowered their metabolic set point. They're on a drug for the rest of their life because they can never get off of it. And what you tell me, which scenario is better? Both kind of suck. They really do. And that's the problem. But I personally would recommend

Taking all of the money that you're going to put into this drug and pouring it into any other alternative trainers, therapists, meal plans, like anything, anything else. Because again, down the road, where are you going to find yourself? And that's where I draw the line. I,

Look at medications and remember all I do all day long is talk to doctors and PhDs on my podcast ones that I really trust that I think I have a tremendous amount of integrity and whose focus is on prevention right not triage Let me prescribe this drug and throw it at the problem No their goal is to solve the root of the problem and those are the people that I work with and I consult and I speak to you on the daily so

The bigger question, quite simply, is how do you prevent this at the root problem? And when I look at medications, they're all a cost-benefit analysis. Every single drug and every single vaccine has side effects. So here's an obvious example, right? If your doctor gave you a Z-Pak prophylactically for a cold...

I would say like, oh my God, I would swat it out of your hand. Absolutely not. Do you realize that Dr. Williams at least has just one Z-Pak wipes all of the acromantia colony out of your gut? And this is one of the key microbes for fighting cancer. I mean, I could go on and on, but I would knock it out of your hand. Antibiotics are terrible for you. If you came to me and you had a methylacillin-resistant staph aureus infection, I would be rushing you to the hospital and making sure they inject every part of your body with Cipro.

So it's always going to be a cost-benefit analysis. When I look at this drug, I'm just not seeing it. I'm not seeing the benefits because they don't pan out in the long run, and the side effects are bananas. You're listening to Jason in the House. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

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You're going to need to move your body. You know, my father-in-law who lived up to his 90s said, you know, use it or lose it. He was an orthopedic surgeon. Like use it or lose it. You got to just, motion is lotion. You know, you got to keep moving it and then you got to eat right. And if you do those two things, you can get to where you want to go.

A hundred percent. And you don't have to do them perfectly. You don't have to do them all the time. Have a step goal. Cut the sodas out of your diet. Don't have three slices of pizza. Have two with a side salad. Like nobody is asking you to become a fricking marathon runner. Small changes over time will yield big results without negative side effects. And here's the other problem is that a lot of the MDs and the PhDs I work with,

obviously in business with big insurance and big pharma all the time so they essentially have a gag because if they're getting grant money from big pharma last thing they're gonna do is come out and attack big pharma so I get these texts constantly on new studies that just came out and guidelines on what the latest is with regard to

The newest side effects of these drugs. And one of these doctors said to me, he goes, Jillian, because I think this is going to be the opioid crisis of this era. And we know how long the fallout took for that. And I just don't think we have a decade, especially not when these pharmaceutical companies are now targeting our children. So it's because the American Academy of Pediatrics is essentially a subsidiary for big pharma. They just...

It's irrefutable. So they're now saying surgery and obesity drugs are a front line of defense for childhood obesity starting as young as 12. And they're targeting six-year-olds and they've already begun trials on literal six-year-olds. And this is where just we need to express outrage. This can't be allowed to happen.

And I can't even imagine what this would do to a child's developing body. But common sense tells me it isn't a good thing. Well, and I've talked a lot about in the podcast here, not specifically, but just referencing it from time to time that, you know, the generation of today, you know, I grew up in Southern California up until I was 11 years old, um,

in Northern California and Southern California and things were different. You know, I was out running around. I didn't have this mobile tether, you know, and that was, you know, access to the world at my fingertips all the time. And I, and I, I worry about it, but, um, and the other thing that I, I, you know, before I,

run out of space here with you and the podcast, you've been pretty outspoken on some issues. For those of you, if you can't tell yet, Jillian actually calls balls and strikes as she sees them. So you had some choice words about what's going on in the state of California. And the other one that you had some real interesting perspective on, I think, particularly given your

your life commitment to fitness is men participating or boys participating in girls sports. Can you comment on both of those for me? Okay. Let me take the last one first. I want to approach this, by the way,

with real empathy. And I, and I encourage you obviously to come at me. I know, I know what the rights position is on it. And it's like, well, they are included in your playing boys sports. I think if we don't be the bigger person and acknowledge the feelings of the individual who is trans transgender, we're losing home go, right? It's, it's Dale Carnegie. It's how to win friends and influence people. You got to listen before you can talk.

So in my opinion, there are two goals at play here. One is inclusion and the other one is fairness. And you have to determine what the overriding principle is going to be. Because I will tell you this right now, it is irrefutable that it is not fair. And there are a numerous amount of studies that reflect this. I could go over all of the data and all of the statistics with you.

Even pre-puberty, genetically speaking, there was a landmark study where they pinpointed 6,500 genes that express differently in men and women. And this is outside of secondary sex characteristics, right? This is before androgenization, before puberty. And there was another study where they looked at, oh, I'm sorry, and of those 6,500 genes, 3,000 different...

expressions of your muscular skeletal system will be influenced differently in men and women. So just from a genetic perspective, men already have a superior advantage in fitness performance. So

To illustrate this or evidence it rather, if you will, there was a study that looked at 85,000 kids out of Australia. And when they compared nine-year-old boys to nine-year-old girls and six-year-old boys to six-year-old girls, the boys were running faster, running longer, doing 30% more push-ups. Forget it. They had better power, better speed, better strength, better endurance. So just genetically before puberty,

Men are stronger in all modalities of fitness. So now what happens when we get into androgenization? Well, then it becomes exponential. You can't even compare it. And there was one study that looked at the databases of all these major sports organizations and compared all of the records from the most elite male to the most elite female athletes.

And the lowest advantage percentage wise that men had was roughly 11 to 13% in swimming. And it goes all the way up to 50% in sports like field hockey and baseball that require explosive strength. So you're looking at anywhere from 11% to 50% of an advantage in sports performance in all sports and all modalities of fitness in elite male athletes and elite female athletes.

If you then look at, okay, let's talk about puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, because there is the argument or the pretense that surely this would level the playing field, right? And the answer is no, not even close. The evidence doesn't bear out at all and quite the contrary. So now you go and you look at those studies and I'll give you just a few findings from a couple of them.

In one, they look at transgender females. So biological males on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. And they studied them for a year on grip strength. In that year, their grip strength declined 4%. Now, over the course of three years, they compare those males, I'm sorry, those biological males, I want to be sensitive, those biological males to men.

who are on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to biological females,

who are transgender males. So the biological females are on puberty blockers and testosterone. So now you're like, well, hold on. Okay. Right. These women are on, now they're on testosterone and they're transitioning to become men. So surely, you know, you, you would find a baseline, a common denominator between these two things, not even close. The transgender females. So the biological males had a 17% greater grip strength and

than the biological females on testosterone and grip strength is an indication of it's an indicator of over overall strength. And they, they looked at the many different things in many different studies from muscle mass in the thighs. Just forget it. It's just transgender females. So biological males,

on the hormones and the puberty lockers for three years versus transgender males, biological women on testosterone. After three years on these drugs, the biological males still had 13% more muscle mass in their quadricep muscles. I mean, I could go on and on and on and on. So you've got a problem. You've got a significant issue here because in reality, the future of women's sports does hang in the balance. But at the same time,

We don't want to other this community of individuals that already are struggling, I would imagine, emotionally and psychologically. And I think the only way to approach it is by acknowledging the feelings and the facts. The facts are irrefutable in order to arrive at some sort of a solution. And I honestly don't know what it is.

but it's a problem and pretending like it isn't a problem and denying the science is just absolute madness. It is. And it's going to deny us a generation of female heroes. You know, you wouldn't have Serena Williams. You wouldn't have Lindsay Vaughn. You wouldn't have Megan Rapinoe for as outspoken as she is on the opposite side of this because they would have had their ass kicked.

So, you know, these women are competing for scholarships. They're competing for prize money. They're competing for world records. And they're going to lose. And we're seeing it in real time. They're losing titles. They're losing prize money. Their world records are being shattered every single week. There's another story about it. And, again, I want to be sensitive. This isn't about not supporting transgenders.

transgender people and equal rights, but there is an absolute fairness problem here that cannot be denied and must be addressed. No, I think you're,

You've taken a very scientific approach, but I think a very sensitive one as well. And you've got an important voice in this discussion. You really do. So I appreciate sharing that with me. California. California is kind of going. Again, the most lovely weather. I was born there.

But it has turned into a disaster. I just don't understand. And listen, right now I...

admit openly, I am not an expert. I am not a politician. I am not an economist. I can't speak. All the credit to you. All the credit. Yes. You're just bragging now. You're just bragging. Oh my God. You know what it is, is I'm, I'm just a regular citizen and having grown up in California, watching my state just completely fall to pieces in every single way. I,

I, I did. I mean, it's the leadership. And what I can't understand is how people are not seeing through this. God, he's just such a, oh, he's a weasel. And he dodges every question. And it's like, you know, this is a,

This is one of the arguments I got into with Bill Maher because Bill Maher is obviously so intelligent and I really respect the hell out of him and his ability to speak to both sides and call it like he sees it. And he's willing to be wrong, you know, all those things. So I admire the hell out of the guy. And he likes Gavin Newsom. So, of course, we got into an argument about it. And Bill is constantly talking about how 80-something percent of California's water goes to grow almonds. Right?

Almonds don't belong in California, in a state that's always struggling with drought outside of this year, I think, because there was a lot of rain this year as far as I know. But what are they doing in California? So he kind of asks Gavin Newsom and Gavin pivots. And he's like, oh, it's a real bummer. I'm getting into desalination plants. Oh, my God. He's taking money from big ag agitators.

And that's why almonds are still in California. It's like, well, Californians are getting water penalties and their water bill is through the roof. And if you look at his corruption and the relationship with PG and E he's just a weasel. He's a corrupt weasel. And even his, I can't stay. I'm sorry. I just can't stand him. I don't see how people don't see through it. Even when he's giving these, Oh my God, these absurd,

COVID era restrictions over Thanksgiving. I'll never forget it. You can see your family for two hours, but nothing longer than two. It's just nonsensical, ready? I'll never forget it. Nothing longer than two hours and no singing. And I thought, who in the name of God is like, who's...

educating this guy on his policy, like somebody who's been reincarnated from the 1300s when they used leeches to treat disease. So let me guess, in the first two hours of spending time with somebody in your family, you won't catch COVID. But if we exceed that, now you're susceptible. And at the same time, within the week that he gave that, that

He's at the French Laundry without a mask on at the most expensive restaurant in the Western hemisphere. And everybody's like, so what? You know, big deal. My issue is that if you're going to be a leader, you lead by example. Otherwise you lose complete credibility.

And it just was the most ridiculous. He had no control over the teachers unions. So the kids never went back to school because they donate so much money to his campaign. California was the last state to reopen the schools. The last one, the last one. And everything this guy does, I just makes no sense. You've got crime that's out of control. You have a major border crisis going on and you're focused on the most bizarre thing.

absurd stuff like making sure department stores have a gender neutral toy section. I just, I want to run into a wall when I listened to this guy talk and there isn't a day that goes by. We're in a massive deficit. If he was a CEO, he took us from a surplus. I don't even know. I used to know the exact number of the billions. Is it billions of dollars? Yeah. Tens of billions. Tens of billions. Okay. Yeah.

You're tens of billions in debt, but you're going to provide health care for

for people who cross the border illegally. And I'm not unsympathetic to this. I worked for the United Nations Refugee Agency. I adopted a child from out of the country because I had the golden ticket of giving this child the gift of citizenship. Everyone's like, why not a kid here? That's why. I was like, I've got this golden ticket. I want to use it. Who can I give it to? A kid with no shot, right? Because being an American, in my opinion,

It really honestly provides you with opportunity. It's not a perfect country, but I'll tell you right now that I would probably be dead in any part of the world outside of the West being a gay Jewish Arab female who's married with a black kid and a brown kid. Forget it being as like probably be dead right now in, in many parts of the world. So, um,

I just, I just, I can't stand them. I'm sorry. I could go on and on and on. And I'm sure you got a lot more than you bargained for, but I, I don't get it. I don't know how people don't see through it. I think, you know, giving, you're giving healthcare, uh,

to people who cross illegally that aren't paying into the system, by the way, which I have listened to Chris Christie talk about this. And I think that there's a legal path to citizenship. I hope the right people figure it out. I want these people to pay taxes. I think we need their tax dollars. You know, I think we need their good labor, but I want them vetted. I want them doing it legally. I want to make sure bad people aren't getting in. And before they're getting all the benefits of being an American, they need to pay taxes.

I mean, my 34-year-old brother can't afford health insurance, but the person that comes to California illegally gets health insurance? When you've got us into a multi-billion dollar debt, I can't. I don't get it. I'm sorry. I can't stand them. I can't stand them.

So that's my conversation with Jillian. Now, I really appreciate Jillian taking all that time. And she was very generous with her time and very technical in her analysis and whatnot. It was fun to chat with her. Again, the app, the fitness app, just look it up. It's called the fitness app and her podcast, Keeping It Real podcast.

I wanted to go through the rapid questions, find out if she likes pineapple on pizza. But literally we had a like lightning storm and my line got cut off, not hers. My line got cut off and I didn't have a proper way of kind of concluding it and wrapping it up. But again, I can't thank her enough. She's doing a lot of good in the world. And if you're if you're up to it and you're thinking about doing something like this,

At least from the Chaffetz household, we highly, highly recommend it. That's for sure. Again, I thank her so much. If you could rate this podcast, subscribe to the podcast, that'd be even better. We would certainly appreciate it. Remind people you can listen to Ad Free with a Fox News podcast plus a subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members can listen to this show ad free on the Amazon Music app. I'm Jason Chaffetz, and this has been Jason in the House.

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