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Respectfully, Orange. Like, she stared at you with a blank face because she was like, are you kidding me? It's like, are you kidding me? You never let me have anything last week. I got a Jeep, so you got a G-Wagon. Oh, God. I got so excited my headphones fell off. Welcome back to another episode of Mean Girl Pod.

I'm so excited to be recording again. I've missed you and I've missed this. Same. I feel like I haven't seen you in 13 years. I know, but I did know you were wearing headbands. I, okay, so I'm obsessed with headbands right now, but I also have to wear them because I don't have earmuffs and it is so cold in New York. I have to wear them. Like you can see, I like have to cover my ears. Okay.

Oh my God, that's so funny. That's so practical though. Alex, it is the coldest. So I think the year we moved to New York, that winter was pretty brutal. But this winter is kicking my butt. It is so cold. I am like bundled up like a marshmallow. I'm like talking like similar to Minnesota, North Dakota winter I'm experiencing right now.

It does seem like everywhere did get hit by this like brutal cold front. Like it's a little, it's cold here. So I can only imagine how cold it is where you are, but like,

To the headband thing I don't look cute in headbands Like some people just don't You know what I mean? Like I just don't have the headband face But like But I have like a trucker hat face, right? Yeah, you do Like you You look really cute in headbands Thank you I completely agree that Well, I'm trying to picture you in a headband I don't know if I've ever seen it

You haven't. I wore them in high school some, like that thick one, and I looked okay in them then. And then the older I got, like my face changed in college, and I can't wear them anymore. But I used to love them because they keep your hair out of your face. But you're so right because you look so good in hats, and especially trucker hats. Like you have to have a specific face, so maybe it's similar to like a headband. Like a beanie head, a baseball hat head, a trucker head, a headband head.

Yeah. And you know what you probably love about it? Like I always noticed too, if I would wear headbands, then I didn't like, you know, your, your hair like carries grease. And so the oils on your face, but like getting it back out of your face like that. Oh, it feels so good. It's also too nice because if for some reason I didn't want to wash my hair, I could throw a headband on. Cause I don't like hats. When I wear hats, I sweat really badly because I get overheated. So headbands like a great fix for a hat.

It's really cute. Yeah, I see the monster. Tell us about it. And the nail. I love your nail. I'm obsessed with your nail color. So good. Okay, so first of all, I have the Monster Energy Ultra Vice Guava, but I picked this one today because I decided today, actually, I'm really into bright colors.

Like my phone case, my nails, this can. I'm like, I think 2025 is going to be the year of bright colors because 2024 was very much, I felt like I just wore like neutrals and dark colors. So I decided to go with the Ultra Vice Guava because the can is so pretty.

The can is beautiful and it's very happy new year of you. I know. I know. It's crazy. I'm still like wrapping my head around that it's 2025 and this is our first episode recording in 2025. Yeah. Oh man, that monster looks good. I love that can. This reminds me of actually reminds me of Hawaii too and how tan you are.

Oh, yeah. Now, that can and that flavor would do very well in Hawaii. Okay, so before we recorded, I complimented Alex on her tan, and you said that you were too tan? Well, I just... Yeah, I got really tan while I was there, I feel like. And the reason I feel like I'm too tan... I wore face sunscreen every day, but I feel like I got sunburned was the problem. And it looks great. I...

I only know you as being this tan because for the two years when I knew you, you were, I would say, a respectful shade of orange. At least on your hands. A respectfully orange. Like, this to me is you in a nutshell. I'm like, what do you mean you're too tan? You were spray tan queen for two years. I miss, like, I...

Miss caring about my tan. I felt I like fried myself because I just was like, oh, I miss it. And I feel more like myself when I'm tan. I miss the spray tans. Like it is lovely to have some color back. Oh, my God. I mean, you truly feel so much more confident when you're tan. It's amazing the serotonin you get from being tan. Yeah.

um but what I wanted to tell you like the little fun fact that I learned so I heard on a podcast that Paris Hilton one has never put her like body in the sun without wearing a hat or I'm sure her skin like her body's been in it but her face has never touched the sun and she's never gotten any work done no Botox nothing um

Which I'm like saying this in the most respectful way possible because she's beautiful. I'm just like, how is that possible? You look like you're aging backwards. Number one, she was in Hawaii when I was. So that's fun. I guess she posted she was at the Grand Wiley Hotel, which is Hilton Hotel. And then I like talked to somebody that saw her. So that's cool. Speaking of Paris Hilton. Wow. That's not exciting to hear, actually, because...

I have touched the sun and I want to age like Paris. So I'm feeling very behind, very behind. Hold on. Is she saying like she hasn't had work? Like she said, I am all natural and I've never had work done. No Botox or anything. I am aging backwards like Benjamin Button. That's what she said in her interview. And I'm trying to think what interview it was. I saw it on TikTok. Yeah.

I'm assuming it was like a high profile one because it's Paris Hilton. I feel like she's I mean, she only goes on like the top of top tier podcast, but I can't remember who it was. What? So we were discussing what tier would you put Paris Hilton in? Because she's super well known. I think anybody can recognize her.

But like, are you calling her A-list? Because some people were calling her C-list in the combo. Like just because, and I don't know the answer to this. I love Paris. So nothing but respect. I don't know. That's a great question because to me, I think of her as an OG A-list in some ways, but I would never put her in the category of a Jennifer Lawrence, a Jennifer Aniston senior at the Oscars or the Golden Globes. Yeah.

So I don't know. She's like an A-list in the influencer slash reality world, but maybe C or B minus in the A-list actor world. Because she's so funny because she's A-list and she's OG and I think she could be one of the most recognizable faces ever. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, also then like the Hilton name is just like iconic, right? Like we all know Hilton Hotel. So like that's iconic. But then in turn, you're right. Like in terms of like getting in the room because of like a Jennifer Aniston even, you know, like it's not quite that. But so many other areas she does have so much respect in. So I don't know. It's kind of a confusing one. Yeah. Because if you were to say...

you're getting Paris Hilton on the podcast I'd be like that is insane but if you were like you're gonna get Jennifer Aniston on the podcast I'd be like that's impossible agreed I totally agree yeah have we ever heard Jennifer Aniston on a podcast ever no I don't think so the only time I can think of her is like interview like a short interview

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Good for her. I would love to hear her on one. Oh, same. I would just love. I mean, she actually is still very relevant. Like she's acting and stuff. But I just miss the days of like seeing her and Adam Sandler always on screen or just like her. I loved her rom-coms back in the day.

Oh, they were incredible. But she's done such a good job keeping a very private life. Oh my God. She has not. But she's a timeless gal. She is she married? I don't even know. I know that her and that one guy I believe got divorced, but I couldn't even tell you. No, but no, she's not married. No kids. But don't you ever forget about the Brad Pitt days. I thought they were they were meant to be.

Same. I still think about that breakup to this day. They're like the Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber breakup of our generation. It's horrible. It's so sad. And I want them to get back together. But then, and then I just saw Brad and Angelina, like, is their divorce like not finalized yet? Or like just got finalized? And I'm like, have they not been divorced for 15 years? I swear they have been on again, off again for our entire lives. I have no idea what's going on with those two. It's crazy.

Yeah, me either. I think one of the kids changed their last name from Jolie Pitt to just Jolie maybe. Let's talk about HERS because you guys, through weight loss by HERS, you can give yourself something to be excited about in 2025. You can spend the new year in control of your weight by losing up to an average of nine pounds in your first month. This is based on data that real HERS customers have reported based on their personalized compounded GLP-1 treatment plan.

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Celebrities. But one last thing is I think it's so fascinating how someone can be in only a handful of movies and then take 20 years off and still be so relevant. Because I would say Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt were in a very good amount when we were younger. But I haven't really seen them in anything in the past 10, 15 years. But they're still top dogs in my brain.

I completely agree that they're top dogs. I also think the industry was like way less crowded back then. Like in order for somebody to become as famous, I think if you took somebody today and put them in the same amount of movies as like a Brad or an Angelina were in, they wouldn't become as famous because there's like so many more famous people. That's so true. And there's like so many different types. Like you have reality influencers, entrepreneurs, singers, musicians, actors, comedians. Yeah, you're right.

Everyone has a platform now because of social media. So it's like so funny. Sorry. Did you see Mark Zuckerberg do that video about how he's like changing the... Like he's starting community notes like Twitter has or X has? You mean he's going to start it on Facebook? He's going to start it on Instagram. Oh, yeah. He owns Instagram. He just kind of had a glow up. Zuck. Good old at Zuck. He looks great.

younger than he did wait really maybe he's taking those na supplements what are those so there's like this that there's like this um oh god are they na i i just looked them up so this is why this was sparking the paris hilton conversation um so there's this what are they called nad have you heard of nad

No. So it's this injection that very, very wealthy people get and that's how they're staying younger. So that's how like the Paris Hilton's, the Hailey Bieber's, like the Kardashians look so good. It's because they literally get injected with this supplement. And the only way you can like really take it is an injection. And it literally stops you from aging. Like they've talked about it openly. They're like, I wish I could take NAD all day, every day. So I'm like, did he take it? Oh.

It is so... Mark. Right? Do you not see Mark? He did age backwards. This is Mark from like 10 years ago. Yeah. And like he looks better than he did 10 years ago too though. Like it's like I was watching the video and I was like, what? Yeah. He's taking some real R&R right now. Like he, I think he, I don't know what's happening. I'm like speechless because he literally looks like he went in a time machine.

Yeah, a moment for Zach. He looks awesome. I did not know about this NAD situation. I just find it crazy that we're living through the time of like the iPhone, like self-driving cars, Ozempic, NAD. It's like before we know it, you're just going to be able to order groceries like with your mind. You're going to be able to like think this is my list and then it's going to like appear on your porch. It's crazy. Right, and I don't like it. I don't want to ever have the choice of

Of big things like do you want to stop aging fully? Do you want to age backwards? Do you want to live forever? I don't want to have those choices. Those are too big of choices for me to make. But I don't want anybody to have that choice because then I have to see them and think I wish. Right? Like don't allow us to have those choices ever in life.

I'm so overwhelmed by that. Me too. So before we talk about fun things, because I'm starting to get stressed, I need to know your official rose and thorn of your first rose and thorn of 2025.

Okay, so my thorn is that the heat broke at our house, and it's like very cold here. It broke on the first floor, but somebody came today, so it was only broken for like 24 hours, so it actually turned into like a good thing. But that was originally my thorn. And then my rose is... Well, I have a question. Yes? Can we talk about the Austin freeze you guys are going through? We can, but...

It's not that cold. How cold is it? My geotag today is at 35. It's not in the teens.

Isn't it that Austin... Okay, so when Priscilla, our producer, told me about this, she was explaining the whole thing to me. And first of all, I was expecting you guys to say like 50. I feel like 35 is pretty cold for Austin. But I didn't even take into consideration that it's because your infrastructure isn't meant for that cold of weather. So it becomes apocalyptic, she said. Yes. Apparently, it's not there yet, okay? But apparently...

What's going to happen is like, yeah, the infrastructure, because I guess when Texas wanted to become its own nation, they like got off the power grid of the rest of the United States. And that power grid, leave it to Texas, isn't sufficient when cold weather hits. What do you mean Texas wanted to be its own nation? Oh, yeah. Well, they've wanted to like do a succession for or are they always threatening that?

Oh, yeah. Are you kidding? If there's any state besides Florida, actually, I could see them doing this as well, that thinks that they could, you know, exit the country and still survive, not even survive, be better on their own. Would that not be Texas? Yeah, for sure. Like who else is like claims their state so hardcore? Like I'm a Texan. Oh, everything's bigger in Texas.

I like genuinely think Texas is the only state. They're the only one that would be like, we got this on our own. And listen, after living here, I like get it. I love this state more than it. Like I love this state and like I love living here. And so I'm all for it. I don't want us to like 60. I don't want us to be on our own. None of that. But I am here for the whole like Texas. I get it.

But yeah, so anyways, they're apparently like all the pipes are going to freeze and things are going to bust. And I thought it was silly. And then Priscilla told me, I know you think it's silly. And I was thinking that. And so now I think it's true. But your heat's back on. Our heat's back on. Apparently it's going to snow nine inches on Friday. Like, it's just what I'm hearing. Wait, that'd be Tate's first sight of snow, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it snowed in Park City for her over Christmas, but I am so excited. I hope it snows a lot. And I guess they don't throw salt on the roads here. So like you are really snowed in. Jesus. I know. So that's what's happening. It's lovely. I've been dying for it to get cold. I'm so excited. I mean, for how hot your guys' summer and fall was, this probably feels so good for you right now. Oh, it's incredible. And I got to like break out my New York jacket. So I'm pumped.

Okay. And then what is your rose? Okay. So we started a nanny share with our neighbors. I saw that. Which means like, is that not the best thing on the planet? Genius. So...

Yeah, both little babes are in the room, you know, over there. They both... They, like, sit beside each other. It's so cute. I can... They have different types of cries and coos. So I can tell them apart, like, which one... They both got manicures yesterday. Like, it's so cute. And the best part about it is it's fun, too, because, like, the neighbors, like, they pop in and out to, like, drop off the baby or whatever. And so it kind of makes it feel very, like, communal. And I'm, like, loving it. But...

My other, my rose part two is this morning because the nanny, her name's Jane, got here at eight. I went to work at class at 835. Like, and I haven't been able to do that yet. And so it was the best feeling on the planet. Oh my God. This is your first workout class in a year, right? Cause you didn't do any in 2024. You said, right? Right. So it's my first workout, like in a very long time. And I went to a Barry's class. Like I will be so sore. Yeah.

And I didn't even do anything crazy. I was like, I was running on a 4.5. That was the max I did. I like lightly jogged and I did not do anything above a 10 pound weight, but like I will be so sore. But it felt, it felt like I released just like so much. It was so good. Well, and just having an hour to yourself, like knowing Tate's okay, Harrison's okay, everything's okay, where you can truly enjoy yourself is so important. Yeah, and my phone was up. Like I used to love going to workout. Like it was...

the best feeling ever and it's and it's so much more powerful than like a walk just like you know I don't know it was it felt so good so I'm very happy about that I love that for you that's the best part about a workout class is you can't touch your phone best ever and oh man it was yeah I was like so gave you like workout high so it felt really good um I love that yeah okay your turn

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Um, I got, I have a, so I thought it was a stye on my eye, but I did some research and it's called a chalazion. It's like a stye, but under your eyelid. I did not know what that word was on the notes. I had no idea. This is when social media actually comes in clutch because I posted about it and everyone's like, that's not a stye. That's a chalazion. And I was like, oh yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah.

Um, but thanks to some awesome people through the DMs, I got like really great recommendations on how to get rid of it. And it's actually coming along very nicely. But since I have it on my eye, I can't get eyelash extensions. So I don't know how I look to you, but I like barely have eyelashes. Oh, wow. I haven't noticed the eyelashes being gone in anything at all. Do I look like this happen? How do I look now?

Well, you look fine. You look totally fine. You're far away from me though, but you look totally like, I don't notice anything different. Um, yeah, it's like, remember when we recorded, I mean, this was probably two years ago and I had a sty. I mean, yeah, I'll say you should because I made it my whole personality.

I do. I do remember. Wait, do you do the hot compressing and it like pops itself or whatever? So I do the hot compressing two to three times a day. And then I also have these like lid wipes and then this eye lid cleaner. And that stuff combined, it's like...

It's gone down so much because the sty I had like two years ago lasted over a month. And I think I actually had like a chalazion, whatever it's called, versus a sty. But this progress, I've only had it for a week and it's like nine. It's probably like 75% gone. Wow. That's incredible. But they're just annoying because I think that. Oh, sorry.

No, I was going to say, I think that it's the worst because you feel it when you blink, right? Like you feel it on your eyeball. Yeah. And like being a girl, you can't wear, I mean, you shouldn't wear makeup. Definitely don't wear eye makeup, which is fine. But with eyelash extensions, it sucks. And it's just a pain like washing your eye and it's just annoying. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. You really like if you do the hot comp, A, the hot comprises feel so good. But B, if you do it three times a day, like it does make such a big difference. So you kind of just have to watch it. Yeah. So that's my thorn, but it's getting a lot better. And a big thanks to everyone with good recommendations. And then my rose is just like being back in the swing of things. It feels good to be back and like.

Not necessarily back in New York, but good to be back recording. Good to have routine, my space again. Like, it just feels good. Yeah. So how was the brother's girlfriend? I know. I have so... I don't know. I'm like, I need a full-blown debrief of your whole holidays. So...

I texted Jordan like three times and I was like, how's the girlfriend? I'm like dying to know. She was so great. It was a lot of fun. Like, exceeded my expectations. It was a lot of fun seeing my brother with a girl because he, I don't, from what I know, this is his first ever official girlfriend. Like, he's had...

um long term things I think like whatever you call them like girls in his life but this is his first ever like mom dad I have a girlfriend I'm introducing you to her like this is definitely the first girl he's ever introduced us to so it was a lot of fun um

getting to see that side of him she was so sweet she just like fit right in which we loved and Pete was only around for two and a half oh sorry a day and a half when she was there but like my brother and Pete and I and then his girlfriend like went on a little double date to get drinks it was just fun because we got to like talk like normal humans I don't know it was just weird to see my brother like that side of my brother

Oh, this is so exciting. I'm really glad you guys like peeled off and did your own thing too and got to have like a little double date. Okay, so do you have like a story for us or she just was like super sweet? How was like presents? What'd she get you? She got me, so she got me a lot of like scent things like perfumes or like, what do you call them? Not candles, like- Incense? Diffusers? Diffuser? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Diffuser is a word, yeah. Which I love. I love smelly stuff. So honestly, her little diffuser she got me was one of my favorite gifts because it smells so good. And then it was so sweet. She got gifts for my mom and dad as well. So it was just like Christmas was super sweet. Yeah, it was like a really great Christmas and they did their own things, but they also spent...

a lot of time with us which we appreciated and even when Pete was gone they like included me which I liked and yeah there was like it was so normal like there was nothing crazy that happened it was just the craziest thing was just seeing my brother with a girl yeah no I I totally I mean that was probably like so wild also like a bit of a side note I love your little Gucci bag it's so cute oh god I got so excited my headphones fell off you love it too um

Thank you. That was my late Christmas present to myself slash New Year's Eve present. It's so cute. Because I don't have anything Gucci. That was my first ever Gucci purchase. And you and I, I feel like you and I just talked about how Gucci is like elevating, has really elevated. Yeah, I think we did talk about that. How they've like, yeah, we did because you said they've also increased their prices. Yeah.

Yes, that's right. Oh, yeah. And I went to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved that bag. I thought it was so cute. I just, yeah. And then when I posted it, someone told me they got a new creative director, I think. I'm like, all these designer brands are getting new creative directors. Some of them needed it. Yeah, I'm glad that Gucci did because they got like a little not timeless for a second, I think. And then they're like so back. And I'm so glad. I'm here. The one thing that's happened, I think, with these designer brands is...

There's now room for them to come back around. Just because one is down in a slump, it's not gone forever. There's comeback potential, which I love. Yeah. Did we ever talk about what Harrison got you for Christmas? No, I don't think we did. Did we? No. What did he get you for Christmas? He got me these. They're so pretty. They didn't fit. These like Lou Casey. It's like a boot brand. And they're like these tall, knee-high cowboy boots, but they're like...

Yeah, I like loved them so much. But Lou Casey's are hard on me because I have a really high arch. So City Boot, which is like one of my favorite boot brands that do fit me, they made this new like alligator, like slight heeled boot. So I'm going to get those. And then, so we did like, we did categories. Did I tell you we did categories? No. So we did travel, wellness, attire, travel, wellness, attire,

And home. That's right. So he got me a facial. Park City was the travel. Wellness. I cannot remember the wellness one. Oh, Canyon Ranch or Miraval, like a trip to one of those two. And then the boots. So that's the. Yeah. Wait, what's Miraval? I've heard of that.

It's kind of like, okay, so Canyon Ranch and Miraval, people are always trying to figure out the difference in the two. This is what I think. Miraval, like, they sell wine. Like, if you're at dinner, you can have wine. And, like, it's a little bit more mental classes and, like, spiritual with, like, the activity, obviously, but not as intense activities, I would say. Like, Miraval would be really fun for a girls' trip. Okay. Canyon Ranch...

They don't typically have alcohol out. They did just actually start selling it on like a side thing where you pay separately and like you can't have alcohol and only like certain days a week during like certain hours, which I actually think defeats the purpose of it. I like love that they don't have alcohol there. And then...

Canyon Ranch, like the mental spiritual part of it is more like it's like a different area. I think Canyon Ranch is more serious and Miraval would be more fun for like a couple's trip. Like Canyon Ranch to me is healing where Miraval is like relaxing. Where is Miraval? They have one in Scottsdale where the Canyon Ranch is and then they have, I think they have one here in Austin and there's also a Canyon Ranch here in Austin and then

They each have like four locations, but I'm not really sure where. That's sick. I actually love, love how you guys did different categories. I think that's so smart. We did it last year too. It was really nice. We actually did a price for them. Harrison went way out of the price range in every category, but he was like, you became a mom this year. He's like, you birthed a baby. And so that was like a fun surprise. Yeah.

But yeah, the categories were really nice because like we each had four things for each other. So like it was – that was nice. Wait, can I ask you what you got him then? Yeah. So I got him –

Okay, there's these like really cool, they're called painter's pants. Okay. And they're like a style of pant. They sell them on Revolve Men. I got him that for the house only because it's called painter and like you paint, it was like a play on words. But like I wanted to get in these pants really bad. So I got him painter's pants. I got him aloe workout gear for wellness because he just needed like, I want him to wear like shorter shorts. For what were the other categories? Travel. Travel.

Oh, for travel. I like cannot remember anything. Oh my gosh. What did I get him for travel? Okay. I'm like blanking on luggage. No, he had luggage. One of my away bags broke though. That's never happened to me. Zipping it up like it busted open.

oh i got him a passport holder with tate's initials on it that's what i got him for travel cute yeah yeah and then for shoe i got him oh he needed a new pair of like nice white tennis shoes so i got him vince white like dress shoes oh i love that not like they're tennis shoes but like they're isn't it crazy how the older you get like on all those gifts i'm like the passport with tate's initials on it is so cute like the older you get just like those little things

I know, right? It's like the sweetest little, and like, I feel like when you become an adult too, you can like use things. Yeah. Did we do you and Pete's Gifts? Do I know them? I like can't remember anything right now. No, because what happened was we recorded, I think it was like the week or two weeks before Christmas. So we haven't talked like on camera with each other since like December 18th or something. That's

Okay, tell me what he got you, what you got him. Spill the beans. I got... Oh, God. I know. Now I know what you mean by, like, you're forgetting. So, I got him these... Have you heard of the company Thursday Boots? No. I feel like you should look that up for... I feel like I can see Harrison wearing this type of boot. It just seems like it would fit his style. So, it's a boot company that he loves. So, I got him a pair of boots. Like, lace-up boots. Not, like, winter boots. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Okay. Ooh, cool. I got him a bunch of clothes and then I did a brand new toiletry bag with a bunch of skincare. Like I stocked it full of all this new skincare, which was my favorite gift. And then I feel like I got him something else too. I'm forgetting something. Oh my gosh. This is going to drive me insane. I know. It's like so crazy. Maybe that was it. That we can't remember.

I feel like there was four things. Oh, Skims boxers. Great gift. Best gift ever. I had to try. I was like, okay, the fact that they came out with boxers for men, I actually have to try and let me tell you. He says that they are the most comfortable things ever. So if Harrison ever is looking for a new pair of boxers, I would look into Skims. I believe it. My Skims that I have, I have the women's boxers. I am a...

obsessed with them. They're the only underwear that I wear now too. Like all the types. I, I, I don't know what Kim does, but she knows what she's doing. Um, and then Pete got me some reading stuff, but then my gift, like my big gift was he got me this, um, I don't know if you can see this David, David Yerman necklace. Um,

Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it. I love it. I do too. It's beautiful. That was so nice. I saw this on it. Yes, I love it. He did really good. He did a really good job. I mean, we kind of picked it all together, but I'll give it to him.

He still went and got it, and that's fine. It's beautiful. Hey, at least you like it, you know. I do, and my thing is I don't like taking off jewelry. I'm just that person once it's on, it stays on. And I was getting all my jewelry off of Amazon, and it was tarnishing. So I just needed something that would last because if I have an X on it, the only time it's coming off is if –

Like I have a spray tan or it breaks or tarnishes. Other than that, I like sleep in it. I shower in it. I work out in it. I just don't take my jewelry off.

Yeah, so it's so worth it, too, because it's like you see it all the time. Yeah. So it's so nice that he got you a nice one. Oh, yeah, it's beautiful. He did a really good job. He did. So did Harrison. Those were great gifts. I'm excited for you to go to either Canyon Ranch or Mirrorball. But I need to hear about Park City and Hawaii quick before we jump into our topic today, because I just, like, am in shock by how long it's been since we've caught up. Oh.

It has been. It has been so, so, so long. It was a really lovely break, though. But like both were fabulous. It was so funny going from like so cold to like so hot. I you're going to Hawaii for a wedding, right? Yes. Yeah. OK, that's that's what I was thinking, because we were talking about New York to Hawaii flights. And I was like, I think Jordan's is direct, right?

I haven't looked at flights yet, but I know that Hawaii does do direct from New York City because Pete went, the year I met him, he went and he flew direct from JFK.

Yeah, okay, that's what I was thinking. Because Hawaii is like, it's the best because you're still in the United States, but it feels like a totally different country. And the weather there, it's so nice and like calm. It was lovely. What was the temp this time of year? Like 85, right?

Oh my God. And is it humid? Like, not so humid. It was not so humid. It was very temperate. Like it was just, I have been there when I swear it's like super humid, but like this time it was not super humid. It was wonderful. It looked insane. Like the sunset pictures you posted with like Harrison. Oh my God. The one of Harrison and Tate. I like cannot, I'm like, you need to frame that.

I almost started crying. I love that. Is it not the sweetest? She loves the water. Really? The water, when it was like... Because it was warm. It was hot water. And so I was like, she's in the little bath. She was really liking it. It was so cute. Oh, yeah. Because to her, it probably is just like a bath. It was. Yeah. It was like a little bathy for her. Because she can...

She takes baths, right? Like that's how you clean babies? I don't know. So no. She actually, yes, like they're called baths or baby baths, but she's like a little baby tub. And what we do is we get, you dunk like a washcloth in the warm water and then you wipe her down with it. But she loved the bath so much that I'm thinking maybe I get in the bath and I like hold her. Yeah. Because her face can't go under water at all. So we wipe her down with the washcloth. But she loved being in the warm water.

She's gonna be a little water bug. I that like broke my heart in the best way possible. I was like I can't get over how cute that was but it looks so fun. It was really cute. Yeah it was really fun. It was lovely. I'm like so glad to be back but like it was wonderful. Yeah that was I feel like the past couple weeks have just been like a whirlwind of like go go go so probably feels back to just be it feels good to be back in one place and just have like a consistent routine now.

Yeah. And like after the workout class today, I had like, you know how working out gives you energy. I had been like needing that energy. And like, I was like, I unpacked three of the bags. Like it was, I was very happy because I found myself falling into this lethargic wheel. Right. Because like, I'd be up in the middle of the night with her, like, you know, and so I was like always tired. And then I remembered though, even if I slept like

five hours back in the day. If I worked out, I always felt better. It gave me an energy flow. And so I'm happy to have that added, you know, not, I don't want to go five days a week. I want to go like two days a week to work out, but I think that'll really help. Oh yeah. I am so excited for you to get back into not even the fact of like getting back for exercising, just going back to workouts for the exercise, but going back, just have like your

alone time and to move your body and just to be without your phone and chaos. Yeah, it felt like so good. So thank you. I'm very happy to. Should we get into our topic today or topic of today's episode? Yeah.

I'm very excited about this topic, yes. Okay, so we're going to do something a little different today. And if you guys like it, we'll continue to do it. But what we're doing is we picked a topic, which is friendship breakups. And we're going to discuss it and tell our stories. But then after that, we ask you guys for your worst friendship breakups. And we're going to read a couple and react to them because they're wild. Yeah, you go first on your friendship. Okay, so friendship breakups are... They're just like...

They're the worst. They're so similar to a romantic breakup. And I've had my fair share, but the biggest one that I think about, because she is my best friend to this day, is Madeline and I's friendship breakup. I don't know if I've ever told the story on the podcast, but...

You guys, if you're a longtime listener, you know Madeline. She is my best friend. I've known her since we were seven. We were next-door neighbors. Our families are friends. My mom works with her dad. She's one of my best friends. And when we were – I want to say it was –

my senior year and maybe her junior year, but we had a friendship breakup and we didn't talk for five years. Like, literal zero contact. Didn't see her. Didn't follow her on social media. Literally had no idea what was happening in her life. Never thought we would be friends again, but how it happened was... So it kind of happened. It's so hard for me to reconnect all the dots because it happened so long ago, but...

It kind of started with I was just dating like a really big jerk in high school and he was just not nice. He wasn't nice to my friends. He treated me like crap and she obviously saw that and she was like, why do you keep going back to this person? So that kind of caused tension because you know when you have a friend who like really wants you out of this relationship but you don't want to listen to them. You start to resent them, not the actual guy who's doing it to you. So that started a little bit of the conflict and then...

Later on, and this is a big no-no, this is on me, I started dating a guy that she liked. So her and myself and two other guys would hang out together all the time. It was like two guys, me and her. We were just like a big group. Or not big, we were a group of four. We would spend all the time together and she was like, I think I like, we'll call him...

Mark she's like I think I like Mark and I was like yeah Mark's great but like she verbalized at first she was like I think I like Mark after weeks of hanging out I started to vibe with Mark and he started to vibe with me and he didn't vibe with her so I took the selfish route and like I started seeing him and I like told her that we were seeing each other and she was like what the heck like

I told you I liked him and then you started seeing him without telling me. And I like think about that. I'm like, what was I doing? Like, I just like took my best friend. Very unlike you also. I mean, granted, I was in high school. I was a junior in high school. I just wanted a boy to like me. Right. So like that obviously started conflict because I stole her crush. Like, so there was that. And then after that, like we still maintained a friendship and

But then she started dating a guy that I didn't really like. And I think after all of that combined and us never really like talking through any of that and resolving it, we just had like a little bit of a blow up. And I was going off to college and she had one more year left of high school because she's younger than me. And I like don't exactly remember the moment that ended our friendship. All I remember is one day we were friends and the next day I was going off to college and we weren't talking anymore.

Like hardcore not talking because like mad at each other. Yeah, like I genuinely don't think we followed each other on social media. We maybe even like, no, we didn't block each other, I don't think, but we didn't follow each other. We didn't talk. Like literally we're not friends at all for five years. So then what happened? So then after five years, obviously I went through four years of college and then one more year.

And she or her sister wanted to study abroad in Australia. And I had studied abroad and she reached out to me because our moms were still very good friends. Our families were still very good friends. Her mom was like, do you think Jordan would ever talk to her? Her sister's name is Callie. She's like, would you think Jordan would ever talk to Callie about Australia? Yeah.

And my mom was like, yeah, I can ask her. And I was like, oh my God, of course. And I wrote up this full-blown Word doc spreadsheet of every single thing she needed to see. And I was like, we can get lunch. So we all got lunch. And Callie was like, oh my God, this was so nice. I didn't expect... Because all they knew of me was this girl who didn't like their daughter and sister anymore. And they were, I think, shocked about how over it I was. And then I went to their house and...

Her mom was like, Madeline's upstairs, but she might be sleeping. I'll see if she can come down. And she, like, said that she was sleeping, but she wasn't. She just didn't want to see me, and I don't blame her. Like, that'd be so awkward. But after I left, her mom and sister were like, you should really try to reconnect with Jordan. Like, she seems like she's past everything. She was really helpful with Callie. She had nothing but, like, nice things to say. So Madeline actually reached back out to me when she was like,

My sister said that you were so great and so helpful. Like, would you want to get lunch or get dinner? And then we got dinner together and it was like rekindling with like your ex from the past. Like it just everything fit back into place. And we just started exactly where we ended. It was like the weirdest thing. And then we literally from that point forward started hanging out and talking like every single day and things just like went back into place.

That is... That is like the best story ever. I actually never knew like what happened. And it's so funny. I never... I always find it fascinating when friends like pick back up. How did you do it? And so it's...

It makes sense that you did like the sister and then the mom. They both are like, you should talk to her. That's so funny. Well, and that's why, too, when people always ask, like our friendship breakups reversible. I think it's similar in the sense of a romantic relationship only working for the second time. If you give each other enough space to fully grow and move past relationships.

Like, the stupid people we were, the immature people we were. Because I was 17, taking her crush, not liking each other's boyfriends, to being 22. And I'm like, that was so juvenile. Like, it wasn't because she's... Like, we didn't have a fight because...

She stole my boyfriend or did something like absolutely horrible. It was like over the... Oh, wait. We did because I stole her crush. Take that back. But I meant to say like it wasn't like some crazy, horrible, life-threatening thing. Like it was when we were 17, but at 22, it didn't matter anymore. I had moved on. She had moved on.

And we both apologized and had like a very mature conversation. We were like, this was so stupid. How did we let this get in the way of our friendship? So it's like it's reversible if you allow both parties to fully heal. And we both were fully healed.

Yeah and I think too when you had the conversation Like if just you apologized but like She didn't you would have been like maybe there's no Space for her moving forward like I do Think sometimes they aren't reversible But I think in your case like if they Are reversible I think more often than not You end up being as close as you and Madeline Are moving forward like now she's Your very best friend and it's like because You guys have been through that oh my god Yeah and she was such a big person to Reach out to me and ask to see me And we have not

I don't think we've had any full, like we've probably bickered here and there. It's been like seven years since that or eight years since that. But we haven't had any fights where we're not talking anymore. Like we have a full, very mature relationship where if one of us has an issue with the other, we'll fully talk about it.

Which is incredible, and I think it's because of the foundation of, like, communication you guys laid. Yeah. Like, if we tried to fix this friendship my, like, six months into college or year after, I don't think, I think we would have kept just having fights, but we just had to fully both just grow as human beings, and we did that. Yeah, that's a really good story. Okay, I never knew. What about you?

So I was going to tell a breakup story, but we, and I didn't know what story you were going to tell, but it's very similar in the sense of like, we had a friendship, like I guess pause, you call it or breakup, but we ended up like becoming very good friends again. But I'm not going to tell that story. So my wheels are kind of turning and I was like, let me tell a different one that doesn't end where we're back friends. Right. Okay. So I thought of one. So there was a girl that she did not go to my high school.

She went to like a city over high school, but we played volleyball together a few years and we became like very best friends because we would like travel on the same volleyball teams. We were really close on that. And it wasn't all four years, though, but we became like best friends. And so like socially, our circles would run together.

So her and I became very, very, very best friends. You know, she was like a top five on my MySpace, I remember. And then we did go to the same college. And when we went to the same college, she was in a different sorority than I was. Okay. And so I, but we were on the same floor dorm room wise. So like very much so like kept hanging out, stayed close and like all of our roommates knew each other. Okay.

I, but, but I went to one sorority, she went to another. And when you do that, right, you, you start like, those were my best friends. I would say that like my college best friends today were who I made in my first year sorority group. And she had the same with her first year sorority group. But we, sometimes I would take her to like hang out with my girls and vice versa. When I would take her to hang out with like my new found friends, um,

The first piece of context is a lot of the girls on the volleyball team, I remember, would say like, be careful getting close to, let's call her Kate. Random name. I don't know. I was like, what? Tate Kate. Okay. So be careful getting close to Kate. And I would always be like, why? Like, I never saw it. Okay. And so that was kind of like the first thing. So when we got to college, some of my sorority friends, like,

There was, she never, she didn't end up in our sorority like for a reason. Okay. X, Y, Z. There were some flags. So I would bring her around my girls and every time I would bring her around, like she seemed great from like what I saw, but I would like slowly kind of hear like, Oh, you should kind of be careful of her or, okay. So then there was this instance where one of my friends,

knew like really close friends in the sorority, she had a boyfriend and Kate started texting her boyfriend, which put me in like a really bad spot. And so I remember being like, whoa. And it was this tough thing for me though, because like my new sorority friends, they were new and I had known Kate for a very long time.

You know, and she was my old friend. So I remember feeling this like massive divide, but like on principle, I had a problem with what Kate was doing to the new friend just in general. And so I found it very hard to stand by her. And I was like, okay, if I want to like, you know, kind of take a leap of faith here and go with my new girls, I'm going to have to kind of cut Kate off. And so I told her, I was like, Hey, listen, like what you're doing is like really messed up.

Um, and like, she's showing me the text message. Like my new friend is showing me the messages. And so like, it's going to be hard for me to associate with you because like, you're giving me a bad look now because I'm the one bringing you around my new friends. You know, like if it weren't for me, you wouldn't be hanging out with these girls and like, you're causing conflict with these girls. And like, I kind of can't believe that I'm in this position, but like, I'm going to go with them.

And the way that like she reacted to that, like she tried to go then like around me and like befriend other girls in the circle. And they were, I mean, luckily they were like, heck no. And so it was very much so a friendship ending situation. And we moving forward till this day, I don't follow her. I don't, I doubt she follows me, but it was, and it was awkward when I would see her because like we would be out of the same places and things, but it,

It was very much like we aren't friends anymore, nor can we be. And so that was the friendship ender. I feel like that type of story is very common, though, where you –

But especially when you go off to college or you graduate college, you meet new friends and you realize like your old friends, your values don't line up necessarily anymore. And you need to realize like this friendship isn't going to work because my values don't line with yours. They align with other people. And I can't be friends with you anymore. And I also like I was so shocked. Like when I take Sydney, for example, OK, she went to a totally different school. Right. She went to SMU. I was at OU.

When she came up from Dallas and, like, would stay with me and meet my friends, they loved her. I was so proud of her. Like, they were like, oh, Sydney's coming in town. Like, let's all do dinner, X, Y, Z. And I was like, yes. Like, this is such a normal, like, way of introducing your other friends to other friends, right? Yes. But with this other girl, I was just like, I kind of can't believe you would start texting somebody's boyfriend. Like, that's so...

It just like sucked, you know? I was just like, dang. And it was like first semester and it was just like, can't do that. That's actually such a good indicator. If you're like teetering on if I should keep this friendship or not, think like, would I want to bring this person around my new friends? Because a lot of the times you don't. And it got to where my new friends were like, hey, like,

If you're going to bring this girl around and like you're not going to do anything about the situation. Like, I don't know. I probably wasn't going to get to stay friends with them. And like, thank goodness I did, because some of them are my very best friends today, you know. And yeah. So I was just like, wow, if I I mean, imagine if I didn't like kind of do a loyalty stake right there for them, then it would have like spoken a lot about me. Yeah. And it's it. You obviously made the right choice.

And so like I know that like the other thing we like discussed that you kind of had said like can you know is that repairable or not and it's like that probably could have been I don't know but like I guess there was just no desire on either side. Yeah I was gonna ask you if you think that you could fix that friendship like in a world where if you still missed her. Now if I saw her though like we definitely when we when we cross paths for like

We definitely didn't talk freshman and sophomore year. But junior year, when we started seeing each other, we definitely laughed, said hi, could exist in the same area. And I think everyone was past it by then. So if I saw her today, I would very much so just be like, hey, how are you? I don't really know where she lives. And have that convo. But past that, no. Yeah. That's so interesting. I mean...

Now, like now that we're talking about friendship breakups, I'm just like my wheels are spinning about all the different types there are and how difficult they all are and how different everyone's are. Yeah, I think I think that like there's the fizzle out, right? Which I've had with a lot of people. It's like, oh my gosh, we are paths just went totally separate directions. No problem. But then there's the ones where it's like, no, this is a hard stop. Yeah. Yeah.

I know, and it's interesting, too, because you would think the fizzle-out would be the ones that are easier to repair. But, like, in my instance with Madeline, it was, like, the cold turkey stop that was easy to repair versus, like, the friends that I think about that fizzled out. I'm like, I wouldn't want to repair those friendships. Yeah.

And I think they fizzle for a reason. Like the old, I think we're at the age now, like if they fizzle, if they fizzled in college or something, that's like one thing. But if they fizzle now, it's like different life, uh, phases. Yeah. A thousand percent. Um, do you want to, which is totally okay. Oh yeah. Yeah. Do you want to read, should we read, um, our listeners worst friendship breakup stories? Yeah. Okay. You read the first and then I'm going to do a really good job and read the second. Yeah.

Okay. I was wondering. Okay. Okay. All right. Listener friendship breakup story. Number one. All right. During my senior year of high school, I had a best friend. We had been friends for about 10 years, literally since childhood. My senior year was also my 18th birthday and that's when everything fell apart. I found out not only had she sent nudes to my boyfriend while we were dating at our own sleepover, no less, but

but she was also spreading lies about me at school. She actively tried to turn people against me to the point where she gathered a group of people to stand outside my house on my 18th birthday to harass and make fun of me. The crazy part is that when we lived in a small town,

And our parents were friends. She never told her mom the real reason why we stopped being friends. At her graduation, her mom approached my mom and kept trying to talk as if nothing had happened. My mom, however, had had enough and lost her patience. Thankfully, I'm happy to say that I have a much better friend now, but that experience was absolutely insane. That's horrible. Like, that's the thing I'm talking... When I was referring to...

Like horrible, like horrible reasons why Madeline and I wouldn't be able to get re repair our friendship. It'd be stuff like that, like harassment or sending like a boyfriend nudes bullying. And like who even if this person was terrible, who's like signing up to go stand outside somebody's house and harass them? Right. Like that is you have too much time on your hands.

That's horrible and that's so mean. So mean. And I would say that friendship is not ever going to be reversible. And I'm so glad that she has new friends now. And I hope that if this situation has any light at the end of the tunnel, it is just that she was able to make better friends. Because this other girl seems like she was going through something very dark and taking out on this friend of hers. Or the other girl. There was a guy in high school who...

I think definitely like did was definitely like wrong to me, so to speak. Okay. Not to this extent by any means, but like definitely didn't handle situations with like the best character foot forward. I ran into him. I think I had graduated college. I was at a smoothie shop in Oklahoma city and I turned around and he was behind me in line and like made eye contact. And he was like, I need to talk to you. And I was like, okay. And he was like, I'm sorry. Like we were really good friends in high school. And like, I'm sorry for the way everything went down.

And I was like, it's okay. Wow. Thank you. Like the moment he saw me, he was like, whoa, I need to talk to you. And it was just, and I was just like, it's, you know what? It's completely fine. And that it was nothing like this. Had it have been like harassment of any kind. I mean,

I think I would have been like, thanks for saying something, but like, we're just never going to be friends. But it's like, I now have like a peaceful place in my heart for this guy. And like, I loved him throughout high school and like, he was awesome. And so now I think he's awesome again. Right. And like the moment he said it, the moment, like I could switch it around. I think if it had been something detrimental like this, I like don't know if words could, could work it out even 10 years later. No, no. I think when it comes to harassment, bullying, anything like that,

you don't owe that person any forgiveness. You can forget it, but you don't need to forgive them. And I think they can apologize for their sake, right? Because we can't go back and redo the past. But I do think like that could be so hurtful. I mean, those are the reasons why people, and I'm not saying this as a joke, like I'm being serious, like people go to therapy for the trauma that people put them through when they were at a young age or even like at this age. Like it scars you and it takes you forever. Yeah.

Yeah, and it can cut deep. Like, that's a really sad story. Like, I know she typed that, you know, she's probably, I hope she's fine. But like, that's tough, man. That one's sad. Yeah. People are evil. Okay. Number three. I like the way this one starts because she says oof. And I feel like that's a very Midwest thing. Oof. Oof-da. Yeah.

Oof. Oof. I've got one.

When I read this, I was like, I wish I could be more shocked, but I feel like when people get engaged or get married, their true colors come out.

So I'm wondering, I don't know what you're wondering. Has the person that wrote in possibly something is off with the way something's off. I feel like one of two things is happening and I'm assuming. Okay. Obviously. So I guess, did I just, and here it is. Okay. I think one, maybe she's always sort of not copying, but kind of copying the friend, like always trying to one up her.

Yes, take her thunder. This is a trend, but it's like, you're pregnant, I'm pregnant. Which, that's not a good example, but like, something like that, you know? And then the other one is like, why wait till the end of the party if you were engaged two days before that? Like, why not call her and tell her before? It does sort of feel, like I see the friend staring at her and then saying nothing to me. It sounded like the last straw was hit. Well, and like,

The fact that she just never spoke to her again for eight months, didn't call her for the bridesmaids party, that's where I also start to think and wonder there has to be something bigger that she's not telling us because that's your best friend. Logistically as well, what person is going to kick you out of her wedding sharding plan unless you totally did her dirty?

It sounds like the last straw was hit and she knows what the last straw is. She didn't include it in this message and you didn't text and ask. Yeah. Something, you're right. You're actually very right. Something does not add up in this story. Like that. And so, so she stared at you with the blank face and then you never called to ask her why? Because you knew why. Also, she never called you about bridesmaids dress shopping and then you just dropped it for eight months. Yeah.

Yeah, I think you're right. I think she might be in the wrong, the one who wrote in. And then when the friend passed away, the one that iced her out called because she asked she should. Okay, so that was a high character moment. So I don't think this chick's off her rocker. So I'm wondering what we're missing something, right? Am I right? No, I think you're right. I actually, I didn't think about that when I was...

like reading it initially. But now that I am talking about it out loud with you, I think you are completely correct in this, like, whatever this, or I can't think of the word, of what's happening. Like, she stared at you with a blank face because she was like, are you kidding me? I'm never going to talk to you again because I cannot believe this.

that we're here and you did this. And I don't know what this is, but she knows. Yes. Because she didn't call and ask what happened. It's like, are you kidding me? You never can let me have anything. Last week I got a Jeep. So you got a G wagon the week for that. I bought a condo. So you bought a house type of thing. Yeah. Or, or like she's always doing what she's doing. And so like she said, I think I'm going to get engaged July 2nd.

And then this girl went and told her boyfriend, like, hey, I need you to propose, like, a week after. Or something. Like, I don't know. Yes. I completely agree. Do you want to read the next one? Yeah. Okay. All right. So...

My best friend, since we were seven years old, was looking for a job, so I put in a good word for her at a place that I worked. Since I was heading off to university in the fall and she didn't really have any plans like that, she ended up getting promoted to supervisor above me. At first, it was okay, but she quickly went on a power trip and seemed to enjoy bossing me around. It was such a shame, but we just couldn't get past our terrible work dynamic to stay friends. Moral of the story, never work with your friends. Keep it separate. I mean...

Something seems a little, I will always say, like we talked about last episode, you shouldn't work with your friends. You should really keep working your friendship separate. But this job doesn't seem that serious. So it seems a little odd that her friend went on a power trip. Like they're not even in college yet. What job is this? It's a really good point. Like this is not, we're talking like 17, 18 years old. Yeah. It's very odd. When I read this, I just laughed because I was like,

This is funny to me because I feel like this probably happens a lot. Like I can totally see like the two girls are working at like an ice cream shop and the girl's like, I'm your manager now. Clean the bathroom. And the one girl's like, wait, but I put in a good word for you. What I was thinking was going to happen was she put in a good word for her and then like it ended up reflecting bad on her because like the other girl wasn't good at the job. That would have been juicy. I thought that's where we were going to go. Yeah.

I don't know about never work with your friends, keep it separate. Like, yeah, I guess I agree with that because if you do work with your friends, like you, you are, you know, obviously entering into different territories. Um, but yeah, she was heading off to university in the fall. How serious could it have been?

Oh my gosh. I do feel bad though saying that like because like I guess yeah in let's say wherever they worked if she did go into a managerial position and like was bossing her around that would be hard. Yeah. Also like when you're I would assume 18 this does seem like the end of the world like the worst thing that could happen to you. Totally. And in it I would say it's probably not reversible you know because it's like

What are you going to do? I don't think any of these to me would be reversible. I would be like your psycho for the first one. Psycho would be like the bride, not the girl who got or the not the girl wrote him, but the other girl would be like she dodged a bullet. And then the last girl would be like, you should just make some new friends. Okay, we only have like 10 minutes left. Did I really want to do the am I the asshole? Because it's another one that's like,

I think it might be a little similar to last week. Can you read it? Okay. All right. Yes, yes, yes. All right. Um,

Okay, I know you guys get so am I the asshole? I know you guys get a lot of bridal questions, which is probably really annoying. But here I go. Anyway, am I the asshole? My fiance is one of seven kids and has all five of his brothers plus my brother standing up in the wedding making it six groomsmen. I chose my bridesmaids but now he wants me to include his sister. We are not close and she is no loyal to me because she's still friends with his ex. I'm not going to be able to

Okay. Wait, what do you think?

I, so from someone who hasn't had a bachelor party and a wedding and had to deal with this, this is my thoughts. So initially, I'm usually like, this is your day. Do what you want to do. But the reason why I'm thinking a little differently in this situation is because it's not...

your mother or his mother or a friend ask you to do something, it's your fiancé. If your fiancé is asking you to include a sister, she obviously means something to him. And if you guys are going to be married, she's going to be in your life forever. And if you're having six bridesmaids already and you're already adding her as a seventh, just suck it up. Don't try to deter her from coming. She'll probably not even want to come. But if she comes, I would say just, like, you're...

do it for your fiance. That's the only time when I'm like, you should make an exception when it's your fiance also weighing in. If it was like her mother-in-law being like, you need to invite her. I'd be like, F off mother-in-law, but it's her fiance. Yeah. The only thing I'm wondering about is about, is this, she's still friends with his ex. So she's still friends with her fiance. Oh, so she's friends with her fiance's ex-girlfriend. Okay. But like,

In what sense? Because I could see if they're a little bit older and like, let's say like Harrison's sister. Wait, does Harrison have a brother or just a sister? Just a sister. Let's say Harrison's sister was friends with Harrison's ex. Like they dated for five years. Like would that, would that like totally piss you off? Like they weren't like best friends, but they like still talked every once in a while.

I'd be down if they like exchange DMs like on Instagram or something like oh how something like that um but not friend friends friends would bother me totally yes okay yeah I mean it would bother me too but like I wouldn't I wouldn't be allowed to have a say in that because it's it would be like Pete's sister's choice of friendship or you know what I mean

Right, right. So then, so what it makes me think, I would totally ask her to be a bridesmaid because I think you should do that anyways. Yeah. I don't know about, okay, it depends what kind of friends there. If she's like catty with the ex, you know, and is like always in cahoots with the ex and likes the ex more than the current, I don't think you have to invite her to your bachelor party. I agree with you. I think you have to ask her to be a bridesmaid. But if she's just like lightly sort of friends with the ex, yeah.

Then I, yeah, invite her on the bachelorette party. You have to. Also, I'm really hoping at the age of 40 she's mature enough to not be catty with the ex. Like, you would think that they probably just know each other and are friends to some degree. But, like, if I was that 40-year-old sister and 20-year-olds invited me to their bachelor party, I would be like, I'm sick. Sorry, I'm not coming. Like, in what world? Yeah, or I'd be like...

Right I would be like I am so thankful for the invite I'm 40 I'm not coming I'm not coming Unless she's like really fun Yeah which Totally Hopefully like I think this is another good point Is like Okay she's 40 And

And she's, if she's still friends with the ex and she wants to come on the bachelorette party, she probably can't read a room. If she's 40, like that, we're assuming she's mature. She's like still kind of like, you know, sends a clapping emoji to the exes. She's friendly with her and she'll receive the invite to the bachelorette party and be like, no, I'll send a bottle of champagne. You girls have so much fun. See you at the wedding. Then I think you must invite her. So I guess it's like knowing the 40 year old. Yeah. I wish that.

I knew the dynamic of the friendship. In my head, I'm picturing they all went to high school together and they were like high school sweethearts kind of thing and they were in the same grade so they just grew up together type of friends. Totally just picturing that because she's 40 years old and friends with her boyfriend or her brother's ex. But like we don't know the dynamic of their friendship or is this pride to be being dramatic and they do just exchange like DMs here and there and she's like, she's still friends with your ex. And the sister's like, I just DM her every once in a while. We're not friends. Yeah.

Right. And like I can also become not friends with her just as easily. Yeah, I agree with that. And was it a fine breakup, not fine breakup? Like what's the yeah, the dynamic there? Yeah. And she didn't provide a lot of she has no loyal to me because she's still friends with the ex.

Yeah, I don't know. That's the one piece I want more info on. Yeah. So it's hard to say. I think I kind of think you would be the asshole if you were not including her in the bridal party. But the bachelorette party, I'm a little iffy on now that we've talked through it.

I agree with you. She's got to be in the wedding. You got to do it. And also, she's never, like, you have to think about your relationship moving forward. And, like, if you don't have her in the wedding, you're just going to throw a grenade in it. Yeah, and I can't speak from experience, but I could imagine you don't want to piss off your future husband's sister. Yeah.

Right. Right. Yeah. I would think that that would be a good, especially if he's asking. Yeah. Like they're obviously close. Yeah. And I, okay. That's actually a good point that you made at the beginning. Like if he's asking, throw him that bone. Yeah. I really wish I knew the age too, because if she's 20 in this 40, it's like, how old is the, the, the fiancee?

Yeah, because if the fiance, if he's 35, 36, and then the ex-girlfriend's 35, 36, but now he's marrying somebody in his 20s, like, that's also another dynamic. Maybe they are just still friends. Like, I don't know. We need more info. Yeah. Okay. Well, with the last few minutes, do you have a rec to end the episode with? Yes. I watched Over the Moon with Channing Tatum and, oh my gosh, what's her name? The blonde. Scarlett Johansson. Scarlett Johansson. It was great.

So, so, so, so, so good. Really? It was one of my favorite movies I've seen lately. It was so good. Okay, that's good to know because I was always teetering if I should watch it or not. I always saw it on the airplane, but I never knew if it was worth it because they were like, I don't know, Channing Tatum's a hit or miss for me. Sometimes he's in a great movie and sometimes I watch a movie and I'm like, what did I just watch?

I could not agree more. And usually to rent it, it was, it was like 1999. So I'd never rented it. But then I saw it cause I was like, what if this is just like really bad? But then I watched it on the plane and it, it was fabulous. It was such a great movie. Okay. I'm going to add that to my list. Um, okay. So what's yours? My rec is, have you heard of the show Dexter? No.

Yes. So they came out with a new spinoff. It's like a prequel spinoff of his life as a teenager. It's called it's called Dexter Original Sin. And I've not watched Dexter like the original series, but I started Original Sin and it was so good. I'm still watching because it's still coming out episodes. But I have a new rec for you quick that I think you and Harrison would like.

I just can't think of the name. So Pete and I started it literally last night because we're like, what show should we watch? And it's with Courtney Cox. Oh, God, what's it called? I saw she was in something. Shining Veil.

Yes. Okay. Is it good? I like it. It's a little, it's weird. Like it's just, it's supposed to be a little scary, a little off. And both him and I were like, should we watch another episode? Should we watch another episode? So it was good. Yeah. I think you would like that more than Dexter. Okay. All right. I'll try that because I need a new show. Yeah. So that's my wrap. I was thinking about watching, do you know what I was thinking about? What? Would you ever watch The Bachelorette or The Bachelor? The Bachelor? The Bachelor?

I wouldn't be against it. I used to watch it like religiously back in college and a little post-college. I stopped like right before COVID. Why? Yeah, I haven't watched it in so long, but I randomly was just scrolling through the candidates because it was like somewhere. And it's coming out the 27th of this month and I thought maybe I'll watch it. Maybe I won't. So we'll see. Ooh, that could be interesting. I, um...

Yeah, I haven't watched it in a long time. I wish I would have watched Joey's season. I heard his season was really good. Yeah, I love when there are good seasons. I used to love that show, and it's like every Monday. It was just like easy. So maybe I'll do that. Maybe I won't. We'll see. I love that. Okay, well, with that, do you have anything before we sign off? No, I was just so happy to be back. Same. That was lovely. And keep DMing us.

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