765. Debunking Gut Health Myths: Glyphosate, Probiotics + True Wellness
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Hey, everybody. Welcome to Almost 30 Podcast. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's Lindsay and Krista. We did a little alpha change. Yep. We did an alpha change. We've been locked in this room for eight hours. Lindsay's in her rooty-toot masculine. She is in her rooty-toot masculine.

On an episode recently, we were describing, I was describing Linz. She used to be way more Rudy Toot. But I still don't know what Rudy Toot means. Rudy Toot means, like, you had a little bit of, like, a zing to your, you had, like, a little bit of a zing to you. Like, you're, like, a little, you're the sweetest, nicest person, but you had, like, a little bit of, like, a... Like, you were, like, in your, like, you know, your, like, Air Forces and your, like, sweatpants and you'd be, like...

Can you zoom in on that? Yeah. I'm getting done. You'd give a little bit of tood. Yeah, totally. But it's not in your nature, so it was like a rooty toot. You know, it's like a little girl when she's given attitude and that's not in her nature, but she's doing it because society. Oh, so it's like rooty tood? It's like rooty tood. Oh, I thought you meant like rooty toot. It could be rooty tood. I don't know.

I don't know what it is. Nothing that I say. A lot of times I say phrases that don't make sense. Okay. Okay. Okay. So that was from the next video. Rudy Toot is one of them. Another phrase I say is rail dog. Rail dog. I got that one. Which you know what rail dog is. Yeah. My friends all know what rail dog is. So a rail dog is a girl that's very, very, very, very skinny. Yeah. That has little muscle mass on her. So I just call her a rail dog. Yeah. I'm like, oh, she's a rail dog. I'm like, oh, that guy only likes rail dogs. Yeah.

He's a rail dog lover. And you know the guys that only like rail dogs. 100%. I'm like, oh, you like children. You like little children rail dogs. Sounds good. I was at the gym with this dude. We were walking down the treadmill and his ex-girlfriend walked by. He's like, wow, can you believe that's my ex-girlfriend? He's like, she looks like such a little girl now. I was like, hey, man. You said it. I didn't. You said it. I didn't. I was like, hey, man. You don't got to...

You're going to impress me as a woman, as a full-grown woman on this treadmill next to you. I'm not judging you and I'm not judging her. She's a beautiful being. It's kind of crazy when, yeah, anyway. I know. Peace and love. Peace and love. Honestly, if you're short, I don't trust you. That's my new thing. Short women and men, I don't know what they're up to. Well, it's funny because I feel like, I feel like, what's the word? Like when humans evolve, evolution. Evolution.

Like, I feel like evolution has made people taller or am I just not friends with them? Actually, we should look that up. I'm not friends with short people. I think you're not. I actually don't have a lot of girlfriends that are short. Me either. All my friends are really tall.

There's that's because they're closer to heaven. Yeah. They're more spiritual. It's an interesting thing because it's so funny when I was when I was young, like elementary school, middle school, I thought the cool thing was to be short and petite. I agree. I think it maybe is for a lot of men. I don't think I have like I think they've gone extinct in my life. I know I have a few Kaylee and Anna.

Yeah. And they're very powerful. Whoa. Very powerful. But I like to, if you're short, you're getting a lot of hugs from me. You're going to be pulled in my bosom. You're going to have an armpit on your head. Yeah, honestly, you're going to get my armpit. I'm going to give you lots of noogies and a lot of hugs. I guess there's more short guys that I know. No. Yeah, there's a... And by short, I just mean like five, seven to five, nine. It's interesting. There's this man in my orbit and he's shorter than me.

But he has a vibe. Oh, I've met many short men with a freaking masculine, powerful vibe. Yeah, it's cool. And it's not overcompensation, but maybe it stems from that. I don't know. But it's like integrated. It's very integrated. It's just interesting because I never think about it. So that means to me he's not thinking about it or worried about it or stressed about it.

You know, or he's maybe assuming that he's going to be with a taller woman. I don't even really know. Yes, totally. Yeah.

I'm sorry. How did we get here? I'm sorry. Welcome to the show. Short people allowed. Short people get hugged. We just lost a couple listeners. No, but shorties need to know they have it good. You guys, everyone hugs you and loves you. Yeah, totally. All these people are like threatened. Well, shorties get picked up. Yeah. Literally, they get picked up off the ground. I got picked up the other day and he was like, ugh. I was like, hey, man, change that. I was like, you're supposed to be like,

Today's episode is with the founder of Just Thrive. And I loved our conversation. Even after John, John is our producer in LA. After she left, he was like, that was so much fun. And it was so much fun because it was spiritual and deep. We talked about affirmations. We talked about the power of positive mindset, the power of positive thinking. We talked about how to reset your joy and expansion set point. Mm-hmm.

And how to really create a life that you love based on affirmations. She's such a fan of using them and she's used them in her relationship and marriage and her business. And she has a really healthy, loving husband and relationship and then a really beautiful business, Just Thrive Probiotics, which is the probiotic that I take now. I've been taking it for months now. And also my favorite thing about them, they have a probiotic for pets.

So my babies get a probiotic. Wow. Yeah, it's really important that animals, especially when they're indoor, have a healthy gut microbiome as well. So not as like in the soils and outside and okay. Exactly, because they're not in the soils, they're not outside. And if they are, they could be consuming grass that has...

roundup on it that has glyphosates. So now our animals, they're finding that our animals are also being impacted by glyphosates. So now we also need to protect our animals and the animal's gut microbiome. And so having a probiotic for them can help them in so many different ways with their skin, with their immunity, with their overall energy levels. And the babies, I feel like, I just, they love it. I put it in their food. I like break the pill up and put it in their food and they never notice and they are thriving. Amazing.

They're glowing. Yeah, they're glowing. They're literally the most beautiful cats on earth. Yeah. Honestly. I literally am inspired by them. Oh, that's so cool. Okay. I learn something new every day. I love their Calm product. Oh my gosh. The Calm. We talked about the Calm. Calm is great.

The Calm is basically, so basically you should take their probiotic as the foundation. It's a spore-based probiotic. And this is important because spore-based probiotics last longer in your system. They're more effective. They're more close to nature, which is incredibly important. A lot of probiotics out there don't work, don't last, or just fluff. And then the Calm is what you put on top of that. So have the base foundation of the probiotic and then taking the Calm for better mood, better energy. I take Calm. Mm-hmm.

Every day. Honestly. I'm like, I love life. Life is good. I've injected calm in my veins. I'm like, I really am sometimes hanging on by a supplement. Yeah, it's really, yeah. But when you find those supplements that really do...

you can make that noticeable difference. Because sometimes you're taking so much, you're like, whatever. But when I don't take it, I notice it. I know. Me too. I notice it. I actually, you know, I have all my supplements. I have my probiotics. But I was needing a little bit more support here because my brain chemistry has been a little off. And I just went to Happier Grocery and I got this 5-HTP supplement.

thing for my brain. Oh, love that. Just needed a little support in balancing the chemicals in my brain. Okay. Is everybody okay? Like I need support balancing the chemicals in my brain. That's all I'm going to say.

We should microdose on this trip a little bit. You guys, so we back in the day, at some point in time in our career, we were microdosing on the pod together at once. And it was, it created a flurry of energy. Yeah. I haven't microdosed in so long. Same. Before I was pregnant, I think. Yeah. I mean, you were microdosing the whole pregnancy too, though, too. No, I don't think I was. I'm just kidding. Oh, I would have. No, you wouldn't have. But I think I was like scared. Of course. But I think you can.

I think you probably can. Yeah, I think you probably can. I'm like plants, whatever. Yeah. Also like being the experience. Yeah. Like it's enough of a trip. You know what I mean? But I was like, I was finding myself, I like needed a break because I just found it to be a little bit of a crutch. Oh, interesting. Where I was like, I need this. Yeah. I know. I think for me, my microdosing, I was at a dinner one time and I was started to, I was like...

Everyone hates me. Yeah. Everyone. Like I just was like, I was like paranoid. So Tina Anderson, her and her husband founded Just Thrive. And it's doing so well. It's been so incredible. She has a beautiful family living in Chicago. And it's so powerful to hear like a female founder and her husband do something from the goodness of their heart, something that they're passionate about, that they love, that impacts so many people.

And Just Thrive is the probiotic, again, that we've both been taking, that my babies take as well, that I feel like...

has been one that I really noticed a difference. And I've taken a lot of different probiotics. There's a lot on the market. And I really didn't realize until meeting her and understanding how they work, what the difference is. So in this episode, whether you get Just Thrive or not, like it's our recommendation, it's our favorite. We have a discount code that you guys can use. Understanding what to look for in probiotics, what to look out for, like what's not going to be effective for you, the

The difference between spore-based and refrigerated ones, like understanding the landscape is incredibly important. And so this will be really helpful. Yeah. I actually, I was kind of someone that didn't, I was in the probiotics team. I was like, yeah, I guess we need them. Like everyone's talking about gut health, but I wouldn't be consistent about it until taking Thrive and...

Yeah, it's been really, really important. And you guys don't need us to tell you this, but just to reiterate, like your gut is connected to everything. Yeah. Everything. So whether it's, you know, if you're struggling, you know, with mental health, if you're struggling with digestive health, obviously, if you're struggling with energy, if you're struggling, like skin, like it's connected to everything. So it's a really good place to start. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I think I've noticed this is interesting. My allergies, I'll have allergies when I have leaky gut. And so that means I need to get on my probiotic game. So I'll be sniffly. I'll have the cat allergies. So me being mindful about that has really helped me feel healthy. In our book, we have a lot of really beautiful quotes from some experts that have been on the podcast. And I found this one from David Perlmutter that was about the gut that I wanted to share today.

In our past the mic sections in the book, we have a chapter called the power of nourishment and we talk about food and nourishing your bodies. But this is about our gut. He says modern society is suffering from disconnection syndrome. We are disconnected from the messages of our DNA. We are disconnected from the attempts of our gut bacteria to influence our health in a positive way.

We are disconnected from the prefrontal cortex that allows us to be those things that we could be. We're disconnected from our families, our communities, our countries, and we're disconnected from the planet. So in a very broad sense, we need to reconnect. We need to reconnect to our genome. We need to understand that our food choices, our lifestyle choices have a powerful effect on which genes are expressed in any given moment. And so connecting with our food, reconnecting with...

Our genome, in a sense, is like the basis for reconnecting to everything. It sounds a lot like Zach Bush's work too. Yeah. Yeah. That reconnection thing. I know we are really disconnected. Yeah. So disconnected. I mean, it's hard. It takes effort and it takes...

dedication because I feel like we're moving so fast. We're eating conveniently. We're prioritizing other things that we think are more important, like certain aspects of success or whatever. And it's like, if we are not well, we can't really enjoy those things. There's a disconnect there. Yeah. Personally, I think we're always connected to something. So you're connected to social media and your phone.

You're connected to another person. You're connected to a story. You're connected to God. You know, it's like, what are you connecting to in this moment? And what can we think more intentionally about connecting to? You know, I'm reading this book called Civilized to Death. And it's really interesting. It's by the same author that wrote...

Sex at Dawn. And he's a journalist and it talks about how being civilized and our desire to be civilized has actually made us less healthy and less happy and brought us further from nature and created more work and more steps. So as an example with food.

We pick up an apple from the grocery store and that apple has actually been brought to us from Puerto Rico. And then we export crappy produce to Puerto Rico and they eat our crappy produce and we eat their good produce. It goes on cars, planes, trains, automobiles, when actually you could grow an apple in an orchard nearby. So it's kind of like that. But in it, the reason why I'm bringing this up is it talks about how when you become more wealthy...

You actually isolate more and actually oftentimes wealth is associated with isolation and associated with solitude. So as an example, if you're very wealthy, say even living in New York City, you're going to have a driver that keeps you out of the subway and away from people. You're going to be in a private jet. You have no – not around anyone else.

You are going to be in a penthouse that's not around anyone else. You're going to have a private elevator that you go in and out of. You're going to have like not see anyone on your way to work. Just go to your office, be in the meetings that you need to leave. Even on vacations, like if you're really wealthy, you're going to go to remote places that don't have a lot of people. You're going to go the middle of nowhere. You're going to go at the place where it's very tiny, very like removed. And actually the more, the less money that you have, the more communal you are and the more communal you live. And even thinking about like,

if you've ever traveled, going to places where it is, you know, less access to wealth, third world countries, et cetera. It is very connected in community and connected in tribe. And it's funny because our modern society actually brings us further away from connection by giving us more access to wealth. Yeah. Isn't that fascinating? So interesting. I know. It's so true.

And in certain instances, I'm like, it's kind of nice. Same, me too. No, literally, I was like, dude. But I also think we've kind of... It's like the community aspect is so important. We know this. It's like one of the most important factors in a person's longevity. Yeah, 100% for health. And I think if I think about community now...

There's a lot that needs to happen in order to get to a place of really authentic connection and community because usually it's based on... Proximity. Proximity, how we can benefit from one another. Very true. Like it doesn't have that real just fucking salt of the earth feeling in community very often. Mm-hmm.

Um, I don't, I don't think it's impossible, but it's like, you really got to seek it out and you really have to cultivate it with your own intention. Yeah. So I just don't think it's as easy as like, Hey, all of us here in this, it's true on this street, we are one, you know, it's like, it's very true. Very, very true.

Yeah, I hear that. Okay, so now we've officially gone down 400 rabbit holes. Shall we bring it back? Shall we bring it back to this conversation that I loved with a brand that I loved that I'm excited to introduce you guys to if you haven't already. We have a discount for you, of course. Again,

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Amazing. Thank you so much, Tina. We love you guys. We're so grateful to work with you. It was such a pleasure. And if you like this episode, send it to a friend. This is such a fun conversation starter for you guys to explore topics around the gut health, topics around probiotics, affirmations, law of attraction, all the things that we talk about here at Almost 30. And thank you for subscribing to us on YouTube and Instagram and TikTok. We have a bunch of other content for you there. And we have our second show, Morning Microdose. It is our greatest hits of Almost 30. It is the

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Okay, so in my experience, you can do all the things. You can hydrate. You can eat clean food, organic. You can move your body on a regular basis. You can meditate and journal and do all the things. But if you're not sleeping well, it's truly like trying to build a house on a cracked foundation. Sleep is so integral to our health. I was looking in the mirror the other day after a really bad night's sleep. I was up with my son and then I couldn't get back to sleep.

And I just noticed my skin was just not looking its best. I just, yeah, I just didn't feel good. I didn't think I looked like myself, but I just wanted to harp on the importance of sleep. It's one of the most essential and most overlooked parts of our health. It's one of the most important parts of our health.

It's not just the end of your day, right? It's the beginning of how you'll show up the next day. So for those of you out there who, you know, struggle with your sleep, maybe you have trouble like falling asleep and maybe you lie there for hours, mind racing, you know, watching the clock. I totally know that feeling. It's makes me very anxious. Um, or maybe you fall asleep, but then you get up and you're kind of up for a few hours. I have something for us. Yeah.

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But I'm so glad to have you. I have so many things I want to talk about. Oh, good. We can just roll into it. I want to talk about being married to your soulmate for 32 years. And I just want to also start talking about the babies. I give them the pets probiotic. Uh-huh. And it is such an important thing in my life to be able to give my babies, my two cats is what I mean, probiotics and support them in their health.

And I didn't even realize they actually eat it. They like, I break up the little capsule. I put it in their applause food. They don't even notice it. And it's made such a difference in their energy. Like it's, yeah, it's amazing. How does that even work? How does, so if we were to think about probiotics in that way and we'll, we'll get into gut microbiome and all of that, but why would someone want to get a probiotic for their pets?

Well, because the pets are outside, they're exposed to glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in Roundup, which is being sprayed all over our grass and our produce, which we could get into later when we're talking about human health. But our pets, their guts are being destroyed the same way humans' guts are being destroyed. So it's super important that we take care of our pet's microbiome to give them the energy to have them be healthier and live longer. Right.

Wow. I didn't even think about that too. So would you say that the number one thing impacting gut health is the glyphosate right now? I think antibiotics, both antibiotics that we take and also antibiotics that are in our food supply. So our animal products, you know, animals are being shot up with antibiotics to make them heavier and bigger and grow faster. And then same thing with... And then, yes. And then I'd say second is probably glyphosate or maybe Tide, really, glyphosate. Because

It's actually, antibiotics target the pathogenic bacteria and then they also kill off our good bacteria. That's why you take an antibiotic because you want to kill the bad bacteria, but it's also killing all of the good bacteria. So it's like if you envision like a neighborhood and there's like one house in the neighborhood with mold and they go in and destroy the entire neighborhood because of that one house, that's exactly what antibiotics do. The

The thing with glyphosate, it actually is only targeting the good bacteria in the gut, which is crazy. So it's not even targeting the bad bacteria in the gut. So it's actually, in some ways, it's worse, but it's just that we're exposed to both of them so often. We think, okay, now people aren't taking antibiotics as often because they know that it's very detrimental to the gut. Doctors aren't prescribing them as easily as they used to. The CDC came up with a study showing that

that over 50% of antibiotics are actually unnecessary that have been prescribed. And I would probably argue that it's even more than that. But now we know that, you know, I mean, in our animal products, people are consuming animal products that have been injected with antibiotics. So we are consuming antibiotics on a regular basis, and it's part of the disruption to our gut. Wow. Yeah, that was... I'm plant-based or I have fish now. But that was... One of the reasons was thinking about...

not only the ways in which they treat the animals, and that's just a different conversation, but the fact that they were being injected with so many different hormones and antibiotics and the fact that they're not eating well, not their fault, obviously, but it's like you will be consuming what they're consuming. And if it is like not quality, then it's going to meet you eventually. Yeah, absolutely. It will. And you have to be aware of that. And unfortunately, I think we've all thought like the government's protecting us, but as we now know, you know, it's not. They don't care.

When we talk about glyphosate, so glyphosate basically is a weed killer that is sprayed on crops. And so in the fact that animals eat those crops and then we consume the animals, is that how it gets to our body or how does glyphosate meet us? Well, it's being sprayed on our produce. We're consuming the products that are being sprayed with glyphosate. That's why I would always recommend to eat organic as much as possible because

We want to eliminate that exposure to glyphosate. And, you know, we're not going to completely eliminate it, even eating organic foods, unfortunately, because with the rainwater and now, you know, the heavy use of glyphosate, which is, you know, sprayed all over our produce, it's still out there. But you're going to eliminate your exposure to it or you're going to reduce your exposure to the glyphosate. But it's on the produce that we eat and it's on the foods that we eat.

Has there been any movements or measures to try and get rid of glyphosate? Because isn't everyone becoming more educated on it, or is it still just happening in record numbers? Yeah, I think it's still happening in record numbers. I think there is going to be movement now with the new administration. I do feel that RFK is really getting...

taking some huge measures to try to start eliminate some of these toxins that are being sprayed in our food supply. But I think it'll be a hard battle. I mean, I do. I think it's going to be tough and it is so detrimental to our gut health. I mean, you've seen this

rise in autism and allergies in children. And it's like, where was this before? And I would argue that glyphosate is a huge contributor to it. And there have been lawsuits where people have been victorious and have had huge settlements against glyphosate manufacturers, but not enough to get rid of them completely. Wow. I mean, it takes...

so long for that type of stuff to make change, I think, especially when there's so much money behind it. It's so funny. I'm reading this book called Civilized to Death, and it basically talks about how the increase in our civilization and the fact that we are just so far removed from what is natural has made everything so much more difficult and worse. So I think about this as it relates to glyphosate in the sense of

What is natural is to grow food and then for us to eat it. But now we have food that is grown in 50 steps in between that and us eating it. And it's like the civilized to death basic part of that is that we've increased convenience so much that all this like has actually made it worse for us and made us more unhealthy, more unhappy and more disconnected from everything. What do you think we could do in a sense if without glyphosate, like, do you think there's any way for us to be without it?

Oh, absolutely. I think there's a way to be without it. I think there's other natural things that could help eliminate, you know, overgrowth of weeds and things like that. I definitely think there is a place it shouldn't be in. I mean, most countries in Europe don't allow glyphosate. So, I mean, there's many countries, developed countries that are able to grow crops without using these harmful chemicals. Yeah, yeah.

And I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, I'm always about going back to like the hunter-gatherers. Like how did we evolve as humans and how did we survive as humans? And we really have become too civilized. I mean, there's a lot of conveniences with it. There's no doubt about that. And there are some good things that have come out of it. But there are definitely – I always go back to like the hunter-gatherers, how we evolved and what makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Yeah.

Yeah, it's interesting because even when you're speaking, I'm like, how could I use my imagination time to think up what would be the marrying of where we are today and what that would look like? Because it's not like we're going to go back to that. But what would a future look like for us where we could...

be in harmony with what's around us and still be progressing in a way that's supportive. Because I even think about now, I'm like, I love the fact that we could do this, that we could podcast and have this conversation that's reaching a bunch of people. We're using technology to do so, like we're in a studio, all of that. So there are aspects of what I want to keep as far as our more civilized society, but how could we still stay healthy, stay well, stay connected to nature, stay connected to community and tribes, right?

And I'm hopeful that in the future, we can imagine things that are more like that, but we have become...

Yeah, I think our soil is a great place to start. Just having clean soil that we could eat off of the land and start eating foods that are not contaminated. And, you know, all of our soil was always teeming with really good substances and nutrients and bacteria that were so beneficial to our health. And we just don't...

it's not like that anymore. And we could go to certain tribes in certain countries like Tanzania and Papua New Guinea, and those tribes have no digestive issues. They have no real health concerns. They are just eating off the land and are feeding their microbiome and the rest of their bodies just with really healthy nutrient-dense foods that are not exposed to all of these glyphosates and herbicides that are just so detrimental to our health. So I do think that there's some

There's a little bit of hope. And I just, I'm always about just trying to make us resilient. You know, we've got to make ourselves resilient because we're not escaping a lot of the, you know, offenders that are out there. Yeah. I want to pull back a little bit because I kind of dropped us in the deep end with the, and you and I could go everywhere with the animal comment just because it means so much to me. And I just also having something that they eat.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I had kind of an interesting journey. I'm an attorney, so I was in litigation for many years and having a very unfulfilled life. It was just the amount of billable hours, the amount of FaceTime in the office. And I started having children and I decided, you know what, this isn't the way I want to live my life. So I was fortunate to go into a family pharmaceutical business where I thought this was great. And my husband was in the industry as well. And I'm like, this is

We're going into an industry where we're like delivering life-saving medications. I feel like we're doing something really good. And I've always, I've grown up with like focusing on mindset. My dad back years ago told me about Wayne Dyer. And so I'd read tons of Wayne Dyer when I was young and, you know, wasn't so popular. And so I was really excited to do something that was meaningful to me. But after being in that industry for a while, in the pharmaceutical industry, I

I'm like, oh, this isn't so great. 100%. They're like, help people every day. And you're like, okay. And then you're like getting pulled behind the curtain. You're like, huh? Yeah, not good at all. I mean, and one story that really changed everything was a pharmaceutical rep came into our office. We had just won the largest, a bid for one of the largest hospital systems in the country. And we were so excited. So this pharmaceutical rep came into our office and high-fived my husband, Billy, and said, you know what my job now is? Oh.

My job now is to go to every doctor in this hospital system and convince them to lower the number for which they would prescribe this medication. So in other words, prescribing a medication when maybe it wasn't necessary or likely wasn't necessary. And he was like, oh my God, we just looked at each other. We're like, we can't do this anymore. You know, we know enough. We know like Wayne Dyer would always say, do your life's work. And we were not doing our life's work. And so we searched for...

We decided we wanted to get into the natural health space. We kind of were like that. My parents are immigrants from Eastern Europe, and they have always been kind of naturally minded anyway. And so we wanted to get in the natural health and wellness space. And so a lot of prayer, a lot of meditation, and we were able to license these very, very unique services.

strains of probiotics out of London University from Dr. Simon Cuddy, world-renowned probiotic expert. And we brought this like complete disrupting probiotic strain to the market. And from there, Just Thrive was born. And so it was like...

the most gratifying career journey, the hardest one I've ever been. I'm like, I'm laughing that I used to think I worked hard, you know, as an attorney, like that was easy compared to what you do as an entrepreneur. But also the satisfaction is, I mean, you can't even compare. Yeah. It's the ups and downs are bigger as an entrepreneur, you know, like,

I just am on cloud nine or I'm devastated. You know, you're just, you're cringe. For me, I'm like, you're cringe. You put yourself out there. Like you do stuff. For me, you fail publicly. You like mess up publicly. It's a whole thing.

a lot of the women that are listening want to find careers or want to do careers with more meaning and purpose. And one thing that you said, as you know, you found your journey, obviously leaning on your husband as support was prayer and meditation. So what was like your spiritual practice for this journey? Like, how did you support yourself in finding this? Because a lot of women want more meaning in their life. So what was your journey with that? Well,

Well, I'm a huge affirmation person. So I just really believe in affirmations. I've done them pretty much my whole life because my father used to teach me to do this. So I've always been an affirmation person and I've also always been a prayer person. So I always say my prayers and ask God what is the right path for me. And that has been hugely important for me. I do also meditate. I'm not as great at that, if you could be great at it, but I just

It's a little bit harder for me to stay focused just because of the type A personality that I have. But I do think that just the prayers and just saying daily affirmations has been huge. And just wanting to serve people is... And there's so many different ways to serve people. Obviously, with what we're doing is really we're seeing how it's serving people. I mean, we are seeing life-changing results with people. But there are other careers that you could go into that are not...

quote unquote, you know, a service industry, but you really are helping people. So I think it's like what's meaningful to you and how you could help other people and yourself. Yeah. The service part is huge. I think it's such a balance because it's like it needs to serve you for sustainability and for your own joy. You deserve to be served. And then it also needs to serve others. And it's like finding that sweet spot. For me and my journey, it was I had to serve myself first with...

The podcast, I had to find something I truly loved and really loved doing that was really natural for me. That was like part of my Dharma. And then it ended up serving other people. And now it's like I have such a, and now I at my next level of my purpose and path can really understand how to service people in like a deeper way.

after being able to serve myself. But with the affirmations, just because girls love affirmations, what was your, how many do you say a day? Like, are there any specific ones you love? Yeah. Well, every single day for years, I've always said I'm healthy, I'm calm and I feel good.

just because I'm not always calm. I have a lot of energy. You're like gripping. Yeah, I'm like, okay. Yeah, I'm calm. Yes, exactly. But then business-wise, I have an affirmation that I actually read because it's so long, but it's about servicing our customers.

Wow.

I'm like, remember my mantra or my affirmation this morning that I need to serve as my customers. And this is somebody who's maybe dealing with an issue and I can help them. And so I would, it's amazing how powerful those affirmations are and saying affirmations

something every day because it reminds you. It's not magic. It's not like all of a sudden you say it and it happens. It's reminding your subconscious mind to say those things to people. And I cannot emphasize enough how important affirmations are. Totally agree. I really love too the

The thought about the customer and like the prayer for the customer to kind of get you outside of your head and get you outside of that. Because I do think people can think the fear will make you think myopically, you know, your fear of failure, your fear of failure.

whatever, even if you're not consciously aware of fear, it can make you not take the call, not do the thing, think too much about yourself. And when you can go outside of that and be like, actually this message or this thing or this product is going to help and serve other people. I need to do it for that instead of fully focusing on myself is huge and

Yeah, affirmations are major. I feel like I use this really great app called Superhuman. Oh, okay. They're called activations and they'll do just repeat affirmations that I really love to do. And then there's also, I just will do on YouTube, Louise Hay. Oh, I'm just rereading her book for like the umpteenth time. Which one? It's like, you could heal your life. Yeah. And I always feel like that title kind of steers people away from it because they're like, my life's not broken. And it's not. Really? I feel like everyone's like, I'm the...

on fire. Okay. Well, yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe people feel that way, but no, I totally, I mean, it's so funny, just different experiences. I'm like, everyone thinks that they're on fire and you're like, everyone thinks they're great. I'm like, I, yeah, no, I don't know. I see. It's because I'm like, so positive. I literally like this positive. I always think everyone thinks everything's great, but yeah, I love her stuff. I mean, I could read it. I have, I've read her books so many times and it's just such a good reminder to just

talk to yourself in a certain way. And my dad used to say this all the time, like, listen to your, you know, or listen to the words you say careful. Like I'd say something like, oh my God, I'm such an idiot. And he'd say, cancel, cancel. Don't like, and I'm like, what do you mean cancel? Like, and he's like, nope, nope. Don't say that because, and I'm like, oh, now if I say anything negative, I'm like, cancel, cancel. Don't say that. Like, so it's like, I'm, I'm canceling my subconscious mind. I love that. I'll do control. I'll delete. I'm like, nope, delete. Yeah. Control. I'll delete.

And I think the other thing that's important about fear for people who are looking to start something is that there's a Theodore Roosevelt quote that I'm going to botch, but it's basically about putting yourself in the arena. And you know what? It's like, who cares what people are saying about you? Like, you put yourself in the arena. And I will tell you, that quote is single-handedly what made me kind of take the deep dive into it because I'm like, I put myself in the arena and I may fail. And that's okay, but I put myself in the arena. And...

I always try to remind people of that, but go for it. Yes. Brene Brown references that quote in one of her really, really beautiful talks. And it's about basically only taking criticism or feedback from people that have been in the arena as well, that have actually put themselves in situations and circumstances that

are risky and bold and courageous. And a lot of people can have feedback and thoughts on your life or what you do as an example, going from being an attorney to being an entrepreneur, you know, or going from being an attorney to pharmaceutical to entrepreneurship. You know, someone could say, oh, you had a great job. You made a lot of money, you know, great clear career, but they're not, you know, like judge that and then your next path, but they're not actually on the path or they're not taking risks in their own life to really,

you know, kind of see that thing. But it's funny because once you get in the arena where you put yourself out there, you take risks. There's not many people that are also in the arena that are looking at anyone else in that way or judging them. No, that is totally the truth. You know, you're like, I'm too busy. I don't, I'm doing my thing. I'm in my own lane and I get it. Like I get what it takes to actually put yourself out there. I think about this all the time. You know, I reach growth edges once a week. Like I'm just,

always putting myself at a growth edge. I even had my birthday recently and I was like, I was going to do a comedy set, just stand up comedy in front of like a hundred of my friends. I did that last year with my friends. This time I was like, I'm going to chill. I don't always have to put myself on a fricking growth edge. I'm like, I don't need to perform 20 minutes of standup for a hundred people today. Like you can just, but just like the days where I'm just like, God, I have to put my, I have to do this again. I have to, and I'm like, this is what it is. Like it's meeting growth edges repeatedly. And I think

Like for a lot of people, they're not comfortable with that or they have fear with that. They're afraid of what's going to happen. How do you keep yourself pushing growth edges? And is it the affirmations? Is it the prayer? Like what is your talk to yourself so that you can meet that and then exceed your goals? Well, I think what has changed for me is like I –

I have such little judgment of other people. Myself. Like, I think when I was younger, I probably maybe did judge once in a while. Of course, what do you mean? Yeah. But I really have, I don't judge other people in a lot of circumstances. And it's like, so then I don't think anybody's judging me. So I just think that has been huge for me is that I've just noticed, like, I don't even like think about it anymore, you know? And I

And I mean, I've put myself out there being on podcasts. I remember the first podcast I was on, I was a nervous wreck. But I just, I wasn't thinking anybody was like judging me as much because I'm just, I don't judge people anymore. So I think there's just some power just within yourself to just not judge other people and just be busy doing other things and not worry about what other people are doing or judging them. I think when you're using your energy for your purpose and your life and your... Yes.

family and friends and what you're creating in the future, you just have no time. I know it's so weird because I think about how many people listen or how many people engage with what I do. And I'm like, I would never want to spend more than a minute being like, what are... Because each person could have their own perception of me or whatever. And I'm like, I'll look at anyone else's content and I'm not thinking about anything. I'm just like, oh, that's that or this is this. And I do...

I think about there's something I'm judging right now, even in my, just to be vulnerable, there's a person I judge right now, but then I look at it and I'm like, oh, I want that. Yes. You know, there's someone I know that I'm like, I judge her. And I'm like, oh, I want that. Yeah. That is so true. I have to be real. I'm like, you know why I'm judging her? I want that life. Yes. Yes. That's so, so true. Spot on. It's like, you've got to get clear on the shadows there. But I think

we can know we're more in our purpose or a good sign of being in service or being on purpose is that you lose the judgment because you don't have time for it. You know what it takes to do that, which is really, really powerful. On the subconscious thing, do you believe in...

Like subconscious reprogramming or do subconscious work? Do you think that's helped you be successful? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I think subconscious, your subconscious mind is so powerful. I would recommend everybody focus on their subconscious mind and just saying words, saying affirmations over and over again. Do you ever, you ever done Wayne Dyer at night?

He has a nighttime or no Bruce Lipton. Okay. No, I have not. Bruce Lipton has really powerful because Bruce Lipton is really big on the subconscious. So Bruce Lipton believes that because of the brainwave state that we're in when we're in sleep, that our subconscious mind is even more primed or even more available for the impressions of affirmations. So you can listen to subconscious reprogramming affirmations at night and have even more of an impact.

than if you were during the day. And so I've done that before, but it's funny because I have, I've done that before and it's helpful, but I have such a monitor part of me that monitors every input that comes in. So I actually can't really sleep well when I do that. That's so funny that you said that because like, I feel like what that is is prayer. Like you could call it affirmation, you could call it prayer, but like I say my prayers at night and it's like, I will be talking for like a while.

there, you know? And I'm like, oh my God. And then I'm like, oh, I'm having trouble sleeping. So I used to like read and then say my prayers. Now I say my prayers and then read so I could fall asleep better because it's, I totally agree. It's like, it keeps your mind going. Yeah. My mind is like, but I have my monitors. I don't want any

There's a monitor. There's a conscious part of my brain that's watching every affirmation to make sure I actually want to input it. So it'll be like, I am the limitless creator. And my mind will be like, that's approved. And it will go in. So I actually can't sleep to them. Like some people can just let those play and they're like falling asleep. I'm like, no, I'm too. I know how impressionable my mind is. And I really have to be mindful. But yeah, the prayer part's really beautiful before bed. I'll do gratitude before bed, like 20 things I'm grateful for. Yeah.

I'll be it. That is like now my prime to sleep. Yes. Because it's getting that grateful state. Just think about all the beautiful things you have for the day. Let everything go and then rest, which is stunning.

Yeah, well, that's so much of my prayer is gratitude. It's just thanking God for the blessings that I've been given in my life. You know, my husband, my kids, you know, my grandchild. I mean, just everything. There's so much, you know, like it's funny, too, because I think that's a great point of so much of what we're grateful for is relationships. You know, I noticed my gratitude list is mostly all relationships. And I just have really reprioritized my life relationships.

So that relationships for me in this moment are my most important thing because that's always been the most thing I'm grateful for, the thing that has kept me anchored, the thing that I just enjoy the most. And so now I've really made that more of a priority. But

in your journey too. So you guys find, so how did we get from finding this powerful strand that is so incredible? Cause I take your guys' stuff. I really love the calm supplements. I use them every day. I don't know if that's normal or not, but it's like levels me like crazy. Finding this really specific strand, like what was that journey to finding that and

Were you testing products along the way? Like, what was that for you guys? Yeah. Well, my husband's naturopathic doctor introduced us to, he's like called, he's like, call Tina and you guys have to come to my office. And we, I have the opportunity, we have the opportunity to like license these strains.

And we were like, we got to do this. And it was scary. I mean, we took our life savings. We have three kids at the time they were in, you know, middle school and high school. I mean, this is like almost, you know, on the border of going to college. And we took our life savings and we just did it. We like purchased the exclusive rights to these strains.

And we had no idea how to launch a product or build a product. I mean, we had no idea what we were doing. It was crazy, but we knew we had a product that worked. And we saw it. My husband's naturopathic doctor is like, I know more about the gut than probably five other people in this country know more about the gut than I do. And he's like, these work. Most probiotics

he was explaining in his practice, he's like, they just didn't work as well. They just weren't surviving. They weren't doing what they needed to be doing. He's like, these are completely different types of probiotics. So we were, you know, really kind of blind going into this. You know, we had never launched a product. We didn't know how to like go into market. So we just went into market by like,

picking up the phone and calling health food stores. And we would find a health food store owner who just understood. He'd always say like, it's true that it never made sense, for example, that probiotics need to be refrigerated. He's like, the reason is like they're very sensitive organisms and they would die if they were on the store shelf. So if they would die on the store shelf, how in the world would they ever survive your body temperature, which is much hotter than the store shelf. So we completely were like, we're just going to do this. So we found these...

these store owners that were just so into the science behind the product. There were double-blind human clinical trials on these strains, and we brought it to market, and it just took off. I mean, it was the craziest thing. I mean, it took a while, but it definitely took off. And we were complete disruptors in the market when we came. Wow, why?

Because nobody had spore-based probiotic strains. What is a spore-based? Spore-based means that it has this endospore shell around itself. And it's not anything that we've engineered or the scientists engineered. These are the same strains that were found in the soil. Like we talked about, like our ancestors used to eat off the land and they would get roots and tubers. And on those roots and tubers, they would be teeming with this soil and good bacteria. And so these are the same type of strains, these

spore-based probiotic strains that were like covered in our food. They were covered our food and now we don't have them anymore. We don't have them in our soil anymore. So that's what these are. These are spore-based bacteria. Most probiotics you're going to see on the market are made up of lactobacillus or bifidobacteria.

We intentionally did not use any of those strains because we know how sensitive they are. They have difficulty surviving the gastric system, which is very acidic. And once they even get into the intestines, they have difficulty staying there and doing much. The spores actually stay there for about 21 to 28 days where they're working through the entire

gut. They are going through the small intestine all the way down to the distal colon. So it was a very effective approach. And our business really grew because it worked. I mean, we did not have the million dollar VC money. We are bootstrapped to this day. We are bootstrapped. I always... Every company, I'm like, just bootstrap.

Yeah, it is really. We've had so many opportunities. You can spend so much time doing your decks and shit and pitching, but it's just build the company. Yeah, right. Well, when you have a product that works, it's so much easier to build a company. When you have products that are like, you know, basically putting lipstick on a pig, you know, basically taking like no big deal ingredients and just making this fabulous branding and marketing and having millions of dollars. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. I'm happy with some of those companies because at least they help bring awareness to gut health. I've always felt like our competitors are big pharma. I want people to start taking control of their health, trying to think about getting off of pharmaceuticals, especially for chronic conditions. And if people are taking another probiotic, that's fine. Eventually, they'll come to ours because they'll see that that one will eventually stop working where these really are going to make a true change in the gut flora. Who should take a probiotic?

It's hard for me to think of anybody that shouldn't. Our gut microbiome is dictating virtually every aspect of our overall health. And we are every day, our gut microbiome is being offended by all these offenders out there. So the glyphosate and the antibiotics that we talked about, stress is a huge offender to our gut health.

the household cleaning products that we're using, our personal care products that we're using, the microplastics, the forever chemicals, the ultra processed foods, all of these things are just destroying our gut health. And it's why we see this epidemic of,

Everyone's bloating. Everyone's got autoimmune issues. Everyone's got digestive issues. I mean, it's become normalized. And just because it's normal, of course, doesn't mean it's optimal. And I can't think of anybody that shouldn't be taking a high-quality probiotic. There are some studies out there that show that some of these lactobacillus and bifidobacterium will compete with your natural gut flora.

And so you sometimes have to be careful with that. There was a study that came out with a study that showed that certain lactobacillus bifidobacterium strains will actually compete with your gut flora. And so you'll have trouble fighting off an infection, let's say. So spores don't do that because the difference with spore-based bacteria versus the conventional probiotics that you'll find is that

If you envision like a garden and the garden has been stepped on and trampled on and there's weeds growing all over that garden and you kind of compare that to your own gut microbiome. And in our gut microbiome, you have pathogenic bacteria that are overgrowing and you have your good bacteria that's there, but it's just not thriving in your gut.

So if you go back to the garden analogy and you take the conventional probiotics, you throw them in there, most are killed off by the stomach acid. They won't even get into that garden. But let's say some of them did. They did some entericodine. They did something to make them survive. They may plant a plant or a couple plants in that garden, but they're not doing anything with the overgrowth of the weeds.

They're not doing anything with those plants that have been stepped on and trampled on and bringing them back to life. So you want to think of the spores as like a gardener of the gut. They're going into your gut, the gardeners going in and helping getting rid of that overgrowth of the pathogenic bacteria and then helping our good bacteria that's there. Some people think like they have no good bacteria. They have it. It's just, it's not thriving. It's not flourishing. And so that's what the spores do. They take our own bacteria and they help bring it back to life. And this is

how you get this diverse and lush microbiome or this diverse and lush garden is that you take your own plants that are in there and help bring them back to life. What if people have no plants?

They do. And see, that's the thing that people will be like, oh, I don't have any plants. And you do. You have the plants. It's just that they're not showing up on testing. They're not showing up anywhere because they've been stepped on and they're trampled on. They need love. They need some love. They need a good gardener that's going to go in there and help them bring them back to life. And it's why we see, we've tested this, we've done studies on this,

showing how it increases diversity in the gut microbiome by tenfold. And that's just with the probiotic, not even with the prebiotic, but just with the probiotic, we're seeing incredible results with diversity because it's going in there and making a true change in that gut microbiome. Whereas the majority of probiotics is like they may just add a seed in there, but they're not changing the whole ecosystem of the gut. Yeah.

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It's interesting because what I've noticed in the supplement industry recently is that there's more specificity with things. With certain supplements, we're kind of now getting much more granular. Like with certain peptides, you're kind of pulling on more specific levers. But then also there's more supplements and even in probiotics, like what we're talking about now, that are related to building a stronger foundation, like cellularly, where we want to build a stronger cellular foundation. And

And then that provides so many benefits that we can see. Like same with this. It's like by having a really healthy gut microbiome, it impacts so many different areas of our life. What are some of the areas in which a woman could imagine? Because most of our audience is women themselves being seeing benefit of having a healthy gut microbiome. And then on the other end, how can we tell if our gut microbiome is off or unhealthy? Yeah. Yeah.

So, of course, we think of gut microbiome as like digestive issues. So gas, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, those are all signs you have some imbalance going on in your gut. And just because every one of your friends is experiencing bloating after they eat something doesn't mean it's normal. I think that's like a fat phobia thing.

I think that's a, I think it's a body image thing. I think so many women I've seen this all the time throughout my life have been like, I'm bloated. It's like, no, you're a normal human being that just ate a dinner and now you might be breathing and letting your belly out when you breathe. But it's like, I'm bloated. It's like, what is the thought of having a flat stomach all the time? Right. Yeah. It's,

Yeah, it's unrealistic to think that you do that. Unrealistic, but then there could be real bloating. So continue. Yeah, and then of course there is the real bloating that's out there. But I think most people know that. If you have that kind of stuff going on, you've got some dysbiosis or imbalance going on in your gut. But what is now really in the forefront is that when you have mood issues, maybe you're anxious or you're sad all the time. I mean, there is a huge gut connection. All of our neurotransmitters are being produced in our gut. So serotonin, which is our happy hormones produced in our gut,

Dopamine is produced in our gut. GABA, which is our calming hormone, is produced in our gut. So all these important neurotransmitters are being produced in our gut. So if our gut is not healthy, we're not producing these really important neurotransmitters. And then when you talk about just our immune function, so autoimmune issues, if you have an autoimmune issue, you have a leaky gut. I mean, it's undisputed that you have a leaky gut. If you have allergies, you have a leaky gut.

any type of brain inflammation. So brain inflammation could be caused by the leaky gut and that could cause other mood issues. So there are so many reasons why we have to be taking care of our gut, particularly if you have a leaky gut. So skin issues, skin rashes, eczema, psoriasis, it's really hard to find any non-communicable disease that's not associated with some type of imbalance in the gut. So when you have any of these conditions like

I mean, even like heart disease, cancer, diabetes, all of these kinds of conditions are all... There is some connection to your gut. Rheumatoid arthritis, like how can acne and rheumatoid arthritis and anxiety kind of all come from the same place? But they do. And it's...

It's like, I think everybody's starting to understand this. I mean, we've been talking about this for 11 years. I mean, we've been like, people take care of your gut and people are talking about it right now, but there's really not great solutions out there for your gut. And it's where you start with health. I mean, it is everything.

Yeah.

So again, it's just, it's where you start with health because everything else that you do is going to work that much better. Yeah. I was thinking of some of the things that I've experienced,

I just got my 23andMe results back. And basically it was like talking about allergies and it was talking about skin things that I'm more predisposed for. And I do think it is really, I think there's a leaky gut component of something in that. And I've noticed I have two cats and I'm technically allergic, but my allergies will go in and out, basically depend on how my gut health is. And sometimes I won't have them at all. And sometimes I'll be sneezy and

It's kind of been a good indicator for me of my gut health, also what I'm able to eat, either if it's milk or some things that can be funky for me. If I am able to digest it and have it naturally and fine, then I feel like my gut is doing well. But if I'm getting a little bit itchy or something about it, I'm like, oh, I need to check on my gut. Yeah. And I think the leaky gut thing is really important to address. Huge.

Can you explain what it is?

seep into your bloodstream and create this inflammatory response. Every time an LPS toxin seeps into our bloodstream or a food particle seeps into our bloodstream because of that leakiness of the gut, it starts this inflammatory response. And then we have this chronic inflammation. And University of North Texas did a study on the spores, the strains that are used in Just Thrive.

They took 100 college students, and this is super important because they took 100 college students and tested- College students are like, we'll take $100 to be guinea pigs. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're like, whatever, dude. Test me. Please test me. I need the beer money. So they took these college students who were healthy, no symptoms of anything like that, nothing like that, not on any medication, not overweight. These are healthy, healthy college students, young.

They took them, 55% of them tested for leaky gut. And the way they tested that is by testing their blood serum and the LPS toxins. After they ate, they tested to see how many students had LPS toxins in their bloodstream. So after that, they took those 55% of the students and divided them in two. They took half and gave them the spores, the type of strains that are found in Just Thrive. And then they also took the other half and gave them placebo. Okay.

So they came back 30 days later, no dietary lifestyle modifications, which we know that they're doing all kinds of terrible things to themselves in college. They came back, gave them a meal, tested. This treated group, so the ones with the spores, saw a 42% reduction in LPS toxins. And this is after a month period of time. So 42% less LPS toxins seeping into the bloodstream. But here's the scary part.

the placebo group saw a 32% increase in LPS toxins, meaning that when you have a leaky gut, it's like this drippy faucet. You have this like drip, drip, drip, and like you don't have any problems. You're like, I feel great. I'm fine. And then one day, all of a sudden...

you have an autoimmune issue, you have allergies, you have whatever it might be, you have acne, you have eczema, whatever it might be, you start to experience these conditions and these things from when that leakiness of the gut just overflows and starts the inflammatory cascade is just too much and your body can't handle it anymore.

So I think it's really important for people to like understand how important that leakiness of the gut is and how detrimental it is for our overall health and that we want to stop that leakiness of the gut. And, you know, they estimate that 80% of the adult population has a leaky gut and they don't know it just because of all the offenders that are out there. It's so crazy. Yeah.

Yes. Can you, can I explain what I think leaky gut is and you affirm? Cause I think just, I want to make sure I'm understanding correctly and that it's so basically the cell, the stomach wall.

Correct? No, the intestinal cell wall. Intestinal cell wall is of what? Which intestines? The small intestine all the way down to the large intestine. Okay. So every intestine in the stomach? Yes. Okay. So every intestine in the stomach has a cell wall. Yeah. The stomach and then down to the intestines. Okay. The stomach down to the intestines has a cell wall. And with leaky gut, those cells do not have strong, firm...

And so a toxin that is normal within the cell leaks out and reaches our blood. Yes, that's a great point because LPS toxins aren't really that problematic in the intestines. It's when they seep into the bloodstream, go into the circulatory system,

where they start to have this inflammatory response. Because your immune system recognizes them as an invader because they shouldn't be there. Right. Okay, good. That's what I thought. Because I wanted to make sure because they're naturally found, but the problem is the cell wall is weak. Exactly. Okay, and that would make sense. I mean, if we think about glyphosate, glyphosate's job is to kill bacteria.

kill weeds, right? Yep. So if its job is to kill weeds, it probably has to do so by breaking something down. So if we're consuming something that's killing the cell walls or the cells of a weed, then it's probably going to break down our cells too. Yes. And cause issues. Yeah. And it's getting rid of our beneficial bacteria, which is so protective of our intestinal cell wall. Right. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. And so for...

People that have really good gut microbiomes, would you say that they have better mental health, they have better skin, they have better digestions? Like what attributes can we contribute to having a really strong gut microbiome? Yeah, it's really all of those things. You have a strong microbiome, you have more energy. We've had so many people come to us with like, oh, I had some like gas or bloating, they started feeling better. And they're like, now I'm sleeping better. Right.

Or I'm in a better mood. I'm happier. I have more energy. I mean, one of my friends is like, it saved my marriage because she's like, I was so tired all the time. And then it was like amazing when she just started taking it just for overall health. And she was like, my God, I feel so much more energized from taking it because, but it's, it's all of those things. You know, your skin looks better. Your, your energy is better. Your mood is better. Um,

It's hard to find anything. I know. Yeah, any disease out there, like skin health and the gut microbiome. Because it's the basis for things. It is. And the research on the gut related to mental health, basically the second brain. Can you tell us a little bit about why it's the second brain? Yeah, well, there is this something called the vagus nerve. And the vagus nerve is this communication superhighway that connects from the brainstem all the way down to the intestines.

And the gut and the brain are sending signals back and forth to each other all the time. And, you know, years ago when I'd be on podcasts, people would be like, you know, that's so woo-woo, that's crazy. But when you think about it, it's...

It's not at all. You know, think about when you're excited about something. What happens? You get butterflies in your stomach. Or like you're nervous. You have to go to the bathroom. I mean, these are the gut is sending, the brain is sending signals to the gut and the gut is sending signals back up to the brain. And there's always this communication going on. So I would always tell people, you know, there's lots of things to do to support your gut health, like eating a diverse group of foods. And, you know, of course, taking a spore-based probiotic. All these things are important. But one of the other things I would always say is like,

meditate or do something that calms you down because when you are calm or do your deep breathing, because when you're calm, the gut is sending signals back up to the brain and it makes you calmer. And then when you're calm, the brain is sending signals down to the gut. And so it's helping support your gut health and encourage the growth of the beneficial bacteria. I think one of my favorite things is just to relax the belly. I always tell my girls...

just to relax the belly. Cause I think we, as women have been told to suck in for so much of our lives. So we're just sucking in all the organs. We're just making ourselves breathe in instead of out. It's natural for us to breathe out. And it's just such a nice practice to allow that relaxation and allow like a more gentle conversation between the brain and the belly. And, you know, we have that gut instinct and usually that gut instinct is like the first thing

is our intuition is what we see as more natural. And then it gets up to the brain and the brain is like, I need to make this make sense. I need to make this mean something. And so the gut having a clear and healthy gut and having a clear

and healthy gut microbiome can be so helpful for your intuition too. Yeah. Because you're able to communicate much more clearly. I totally agree. I feel like I've always had a good intuition and I always have had a healthy gut. I mean, I really never had any gut issues until I started. And then I'm in this industry where I started taking the product and I'm like, okay, now I know what it means to have regular bowel movements. You know, like I thought I had a healthy gut, but I do trust my gut so often because it's super healthy. Yeah. It's huge. I'm sure I don't even

And it's so funny. I don't know about anything in my life except for here and now and maybe this year. Like when people like ask me, like I think about the past, I'm like, have I had a good gut? I'm like, I don't even know, man. I don't even know what happened three months ago. But I do know that it is nice that I think a good indicator –

is the bowel movements regularly, having one a day or one or more a day. I think more a day is even better. The skin thing I think is huge. I think for me, my mental health journey, I think is so much attributed to meditation and prayer and so many different things, but that's a really good one for me. But I think it could be different for other people, but mine is the allergies.

is just noticing when my allergies are getting kind of funky is really my indicator of my gut health. I would love... I keep thinking of my dad. I've been thinking about my dad a lot today. He's sick. He has Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Oh, wow. Sorry to hear that. No, yeah. It's wild. But I do think with this, I'm like, man, if he could get on like a good probiotic, that would be so supportive because people...

I was going to say of his generation or people, I guess where he lives and the way that he lives are so inundated with cleaning products, you know, the TV, like they're just not in any way aware of the ways in which what they're around or what they're in or what they're consuming impacts them. And

Something like this could just be a basic general support for that type of lifestyle. Oh, my gosh. Absolutely. Because, I mean, just think about, too, when you start going to the bathroom more regularly, you just feel like, you know, people lose weight. That's another thing. People will start, like, losing weight or people will just – it's helping support their brain health. I mean, it's just all of these things when you start getting – you're getting rid of those toxins. And, yeah, I definitely – you know, it's not going to be a cure for those things, but it's going to be supportive. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not going to try to say that. Well, I guess it'll help, right? What do you have in the... I want to have the Calm supplement because I love the Calm. What is in the Calm supplement? So the Just Calm product is our... It's a psychobiotic. What is that? So see, we've been complete disruptors. One of the mantras of our companies is just to be...

to only bring products that are missing and needed in the market. And so when we brought our spore-based probiotic and antioxidant to the market, we were complete disruptors, brought the spore-based. And then we brought this psychobiotic to market, which is not a...

term that I coined. It was coined by two scientists in Europe. But a psychobiotic strain is a strain that helps support that gut-brain axis. It's beneficial bacteria that's supportive of our brain health. And we know that people who have higher levels of 17, 14...

in their gut actually are those people that could handle stress better. You know, they could... You know those people. I'm not one of them, but somebody that could handle stress and just deal... I used to... I remember even younger, I would see a fire truck going down the street and I'd be like, oh my God, please don't go to my house. I was just wired that way. And so I just think that 17, 14 strain, I must not have had a lot of it in my lifetime because I just...

was one of those people that would be stressed so much more easily. Now, obviously, after taking the probiotic alone, that helped. But the 17-14 kind of helps with those external stressors. So think of the probiotic as like foundational. And we don't want those, that inflammation from the leakiness of the gut, that inflammation could go to your heart. It could go to your brain. A lot of it goes to the brain. A lot of, you know,

mood issues are actually from that brain inflammation that's derived from the leakiness of the gut, that inflammation that's coming from the leakiness of the gut. But then we also have external stressors. We're late for a meeting, we're in a fight with a loved one, whatever it might be, and we aren't getting away from those external stressors. They're in our life, they're here to stay. But what can we do to kind of deal with those

And the 17-14 has been extensively studied at Cork University in Ireland. And it basically has shown that it changes our brainwave activity to put us more in that flow state. So it's managing our cortisol levels better. It's regulating our cortisol levels. So it's really a powerful strain. And it's really like... I mean, it's been a game changer because people are just seeing great results from the calm. But I always say...

So many people are tempted to start with the Just Calm product, but I feel so strongly that you should start with the probiotic because that's foundational. I mean, your neurotransmitters are produced in your gut. There's all these really important things. And then maybe introduce the Just Calm. If you want to start at the same time, that's fine. But I would definitely start with the probiotic and then introduce the Just Calm.

Yeah, it has the vitamin B in it. Why does it have vitamin B as well? Oh, just because it's so neuroprotective. This is the Just Calm. So neuroprotective, so good for mood issues as well. Yeah, vitamin B actually is such a good basic support for mood. And then folate and B12, which is amazing. But I love this one. I love the...

Probiotic too. And then obviously, like I mentioned, for the animals. Yes. So we have our Just Pets product for the animals. And then the probiotic actually has a strain in there called HU36, which is called Bacillus Indicus, which is actually an antioxidant-producing strain. So it actually produces like astaxanthin, zeaxanthin. Wow.

beta carotene, lycopene, all these incredible antioxidants are being produced in our gut where they need to be absorbed. Most antioxidants, only like 10% of them are actually being absorbed, but these are actually being produced and absorbed right inside the intestines.

And so the researchers at University of North Texas actually felt that that strain itself was one of the reasons we had such success with that leaky gut study because it was combating that oxidative stress. These antioxidants were combating the oxidative stress, which is causing a big cause of leaky gut.

So, yeah, it's a great, they're a great combination product, but I always tell people to start with a probiotic because it is so foundational. You're like, I need calm now. Yes, I know. Everybody wants, and it's fine. You can take them at this. Well, it's funny how it's more about the branding and marketing. So it's like probiotic, you're like, hi.

I don't really know what that does. You know what I mean? You're like, does a lot of things, not really. And then you're like, calm? I want. Yes, I know. It's like people are just like, me want calm. Yes, exactly. Well, you definitely, I mean, most people, I mean, I take them at the same time, but I'm saying sometimes I suggest starting with one and then introducing another one a couple of weeks later. For sure. I'll use intuitively, but I definitely notice. I'm like, wow, that actually works. Yes. And I'm very calm, but...

It's nice just to have that double time. Yes, and great for the pets. Like you said, there's the Just Pets product. Guys, Just Pets is everything. Game changer. And like, yeah, you just open the capsules and mix it with food. It doesn't taste like anything. It doesn't taste... You could do that even for the kids with the probiotic. We have a gummy of the kids. Yep, I have the gummy too. Okay, which are delicious. But if you want to just do the, you know, probiotic capsules, you could open them and mix them. I used to put in my son's piping hot oatmeal back in the day. And like, it just... These strains survive. Yeah.

They're so robust that they survive the hot temperatures. That's not a problem at all. That's how they're able to survive the stomach acid as well. So would you say that fridge-based probiotics are a boo?

Yeah, I would. I'd say that they are alive. The definition of a probiotic is a live microorganism when conferred in adequate amounts, confers a benefit onto the host. Okay, so the first part of that definition is a live microorganism. So those refrigerated probiotics are live in the refrigerator.

but they are not live in the intestines. They need to be alive when they're in the intestines. The spores are dormant when they're on the store shelf. They're dormant when you swallow them. They have that spore, this armor-like shell around themselves. But again, we have an engineer. This is the way they were found in nature. But they have this armor-like shell around themselves. They're dormant. They get through that...

acidic environment in the stomach, dormant. And when they hit the small intestine, they take that shell off and that's when they go into their live vegetative cell state and they stay alive in there for 21 to 28 days. And actually, you could actually even take these while you're on an antibiotic and especially you should take them while you're on an antibiotic. Most probiotics would be killed by the presence of antibiotics, but the spores actually go back into their spore shell when they are in the presence of an antibiotic.

And of course, if you're on an antibiotic, which is destroying your gut, you should definitely stay on it. I would even say to take two. Normally, it's just one a day with food. But if you're on an antibiotic, I would take two while you're on the antibiotic and then after for a couple months and take two at the same time. Wow.

Um, something you mentioned before we were even recording was just, you work with your husband. So doing this all with your husband and you guys have been married 32 years. This May will be 32 years. And you're so happy. I am. Can you say more?

I went off. Like when she was talking about how happy she is. So I guess background, I'm grateful to God for just finding me expanders because I think I have the perception that the longer you're married, the less fun it is. Yeah, I think that's because society tells us that. Yes.

And that has not been my experience. I mean, the longer I've been married, my marriage has gotten stronger. I mean, it is, I was, I always knew I was marrying my soulmate. I mean, I just fell in love with Billy when I met him. And I mean, it's like you get embarrassed talking about it, but I just, we really are. No say at all. We have three kids who are amazing. We have, I mean, it is, that is my wealth is my family, my marriage to my, you know, husband, Billy and my three kids and now my grandson. And

And it has been just, I don't know, that's what I say to God every night. It's like, thank you for putting this wonderful man into my life because he's just so kind and compassionate and he's just a wonderful husband and we have a beautiful marriage. And it is so weird because people don't talk about that. They're not. But I just, I want to talk about it more because I want people to know that

That is normal. It's kind of like when people are like complaining about their in-laws, like you're not supposed to like your in-laws. Like I completely don't agree with that. I feel like I love my in-laws. Billy loves my parents. I mean, we just, in fact, my parents and Billy's parents have become really good friends and they traveled together and do all kinds of things together. But

I just feel like society tells us that marriage is like a pain and it hasn't been that case for me at all. I mean, we have, we're very blessed. That's stunning. I do think we need more narratives like that because I think the trope in media is like, oh, this whole ball and chain, like, you know, just kind of like top down about the marriage. It seems like it's nagging. It seems like it's...

brings less life rather than more. And to hear that is just so inspiring. What do you think are some of the reasons why you've fallen more in love over the years? I think we both had very similar values. We came from super close-knit families and that was really important. I mean, I talk to my mom every day, like he's always talking to his family. And I just think that's part of it. I

I also think we've always had crucial conversations. And there's that book, Crucial Conversations. I've never heard of it. I read it basically for business, talking about how everyone's trying to get to the same end point, but everybody has different ideas on how to get there. And I didn't realize that they were called Crucial Conversations, but we've always been comfortable just being really honest with each other. And I think after reading that book...

it actually became easier for us to have those crucial conversation. And that's when like things really started to get even better because he would tell me things that were hard for me to hear. And I would tell him things that were hard for me to say and for hard for him to hear. But it, I cannot tell you what it did for our marriage. I mean, it is just, it has been amazing. I think that in recent years, that's probably one of the biggest things that has even, you know, amplified our marriage is just having crucial conversations and being open with them. And I always tell my,

My kids, my oldest is married with a child and my middle is about to get married. And I'm like, you just, you have to have crucial conversations with your spouse because it does really move the needle. I think that's huge. I think the crucial conversations in any relationships that matter is important. I have people in my life that

I've decided and we've decided that we are worthy of the crucial conversation of the effort of the overcoming the fear of the tension of the discomfort of the of that, because I think that's what's made me so much closer to people in my life now in the past years than I ever have been. You know, before it was like the love was based on how perfect could we be for each other? You know, kind of that like.

rather than the truth of like, I'm going to actually acknowledge that I feel this way, that you feel this way, that this is coming up for me. And when you move out of codependency into sovereignty as sovereign beings, and you're like, I'm actually having this experience. What is your experience? That's when you can come together closer in truth, in the sovereignty. And I think what I've noticed too, and witnessing my parents who got divorced, you know, they did their best. And I'm so grateful for the way that they handled everything. But noticing how much of their inner

they held from each other and their inner dialogue was held from each other. And I noticed that in a lot of different marriages and relationships that are considered deep or considered

these unions, it's like you actually have so much of what's going on internally that you're withholding from this person and they actually don't know how you feel. And then it just builds this resentment. You withhold, then you stonewall and it kind of snowballs over time where then it becomes this one thing you hold back and then there's more and then there's more and then there's more. And then there's this habit of withholding so much that you start to withhold who you are. Mm-hmm.

as a human. And I even did that in previous relationships that I had where the withholding became so much that I wasn't even any bit myself during and in the relationship. Yeah.

And I think that's very generational too. And I think nowadays it's becoming more normalized to be talking and open about what your feelings are. And I don't mean to suggest that like for the last 32 years we were not fighting. Of course. Of course. You know, there were arguments along the way. But I think when you have a crucial conversation, you look at the end.

that you both have that in common. Most of the time, you both have that same end goal in common. And I think whether it's a business crucial conversation, whether it's a personal, a friendship, a parent, a sibling, whatever it might be, a spouse,

I just think if you both know that you want to get to the same place, you eventually will get there. It just may take a while. Yeah. And I think it takes a confidence and a sense of self to hold while someone's sharing something with you that's hard or difficult and being able to have the...

The ability to regulate your nervous system and metabolize that. Yeah, absolutely. I think I was talking to one of my coaching clients yesterday and she's in relationship and, you know, they're kind of going through it. And it's like, I also think there's an oscillation of who's going to hold the...

hold it down while someone's wavering and being the person that can hold while someone wavers and then vice versa to maintain that connection because it's normal to waver or have moments where you're in more fear or in more doubt than others. And how can you guys play that sort of like

knowing that the goal is the union or the ultimate manifestation of your love is having that union, but you can sort of have moments where you go in and out of faith. Yeah. And I think that the perfectionism too, like trying to make it all perfect. I mean, I think we always...

We're like, oh, we are like perfect for each other. We're perfect. But, you know, after being married 32 years, you realize that sometimes maybe someone on the outside wouldn't think that we were perfect because we have so many differences. But I just think that stop striving for perfectionism and just finding someone that just like treats you well and you treat them well. And you want to, you know, there's nobody else in the world that you'd rather like do something for and make their life better. But, yeah, just not worrying about perfectionism.

perfectionism in a relationship too. It doesn't, it's not the way it's shown on social media and all that. It's just, there's so much, there's so much more underneath, under the hood. And perfectionism, it's like, why is that sameness? You know, like perfectionism is like, yeah, it's just...

Yeah, I think that can really seep into relationships. So I'm so glad you're talking about that and being truthful because it's so inspiring and it's so needed, you know, even for me to hear that today because the limiting belief that I'm breaking through right now is just around that is the belief that life can get better and even more rich and even more robust within relationship, you know, because I have the perception now that my life has gotten so good since, you know,

Some of my relationships have ended. And it's like I'm trying to bring back that belief that like being with my partner is only going to make life more expansive and beautiful than being alone. Yeah. I mean, it has for me. But, you know, everyone's got their own. It will for me because I will affirm it. Yes, that's right. I also think your affirmations. I do. Of partner and of yourself is huge.

huge in helping the health of a relationship. Yeah. I mean, ever since I was a kid too, I didn't realize I was doing affirmations, but it's like I had the dream of like marrying like the love of my life. And it's like, I just, I was always affirming it. And now I could look back and be like, oh my God, I created this life for myself. And that's pretty powerful to realize that we have the power to create our own life. I love that.

I'm so grateful you came. I'm so grateful we could talk about your amazing, amazing products. What would you suggest then for people to start? Because I know you guys have a suite of products. So tell us a little bit more. Yeah. So like I mentioned, I always recommend everyone start with the probiotic, the Just Thrive probiotic and antioxidant, just foundationally for health. And then if you're dealing with mood issues, you maybe want to introduce the Just Calm, which of course everybody is. So a lot of people like that.

The prebiotic is kind of the fertilizer for that garden that we talked about. So you might want to consider that as well. But I don't want to overwhelm everybody. We have product coaches on our team. If you're dealing with some crazy gut issues, I would definitely talk to our product coaches. They are

amazing. I promise you that. They are awesome. So definitely reach out to them if you have any questions. But again, everyone I feel like should start on the probiotic just because whether you're dealing with a gut issue or not, because we know that

the gut lining is being attacked on a regular basis and we do not want that drippy. We want to seal up that drippy faucet. So yeah, it just, and I think, I think we have a coupon code. So if you go to justthrivehealth.com, you could either talk to the product coaches, you could find a product and we have a coupon code of almost 30 for 20% off. Almost 30 for 20% off and get the pets too. Oh yes. Oh my God. How can I forget the pets? I'm like...

They love it. They love it, honestly. And it makes me so happy. Yeah. So use the code almost 30, as you guys know, 20% off. This is the probiotic I've been taking. I really love it. I love the Just Calm as well. I took some this morning and I'm cruising through my day, feeling good. But no, thank you for like allowing me the opportunity to have this conversation. It was really fun. Oh yeah. It's fun to like, you know, get off of just the gut health topic too. So it's really been awesome. Oh, I'm so grateful. Yeah. They're going to love you and we love you guys. We'll see you on the next one. Bye.

Thank you so much, Tina, for joining us. You can go to just thrivehealth.com, grab your probiotics, make sure you get the pet probiotic and use our code almost 30 for a discount. Yes. And we'll see you on the next one. We love you. Bye.