- Bernard Harris. - Yes, sir. - Thank you for being here. - Thank you so much for having me. - Thank you for making time. Why, from your perspective, does so many people or do so many people in the modern world have crooked teeth, i.e. malocclusion? Why has there been no incidents or little to no incidents, maybe no incidents of ancient skulls having crooked teeth and malocclusion airway
disorders, disrupted airways, nasal passages, closed down nasal passages. Modern people, we are plagued with that. It creates quite a bit of dis-ease in the body. There was a transition of the agricultural age. Adults started eating baby food, soft food. Adults started staying inside and
What's going on with the jaw? Well, you know that it really starts at such a young age. And I guess first off, I got to say, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a dentist. This is all anecdotally speaking what I found through my trials and tribulations and what I've heard from people all around the world. So I know there's a lot of research out there on it. But I've always been real fond of the idea that
It starts at birth. The first thing a baby knows to do instinctually is succulate, is breastfeed. So there's no teaching that action, right? And it's real similar to as the products, that's that same motion. So I don't know what percentage of the world does and does not get breastfed, but the people who do not get that go to a man-made doctor
baby formula on a soft nipple which takes minimal resistance, mobility, pressure to get that nutrients. So as opposed to succulating, the intense cranial muscles, temporal muscles, jaw structure is mobility and pressure. You know, it creates alignment, range of motion, and then bone structure.
So in my mind, it starts that young and then it's like, okay, so then as kids go on and it's on to the processed baby food, you find them, you know, sucking on their fingers, maybe biting as they're starting the teeth. And then there's the binky out there, the infamous binky that goes in and then it pulls your gums out. You know what I'm saying? So there it's real crucial.
People have always said that, oh, a jawline is just genetics. Well, really, it's development, in my mind, of the bone structure and the teeth alignment. You know what I'm saying? So if you are missing already on the succulating and then it's on to the baby nipple, not to mention maybe the formula isn't that good for you either, you're not getting the mobilization of that joint. It's designed to go up to...
what is it up to 60 it's not centimeters what's what i'm looking for 60 millimeters it's supposed to be the top range of motion on it and so much of the diet is cut up sipped blended so there's we're really only using maybe a third of that motion and then when we do it's a side to side action so
Creates just an imbalance in the jaw in my mind to where if you can create pressure evenly along with a healthy joint that's mobilized with the connective tissues and the muscles around the joint. You know, I believe so much of the molar chewing, you know, we feed, we're right-handed. Maybe we feed the right side first. Maybe we're longing for that.
resistance, you know, the chew that we don't really get from the soft diet. And when you're a baby as well, it's especially important because your muscles and your bones are so plastic, you know, and all like the sutures around the cranium and, you know, the maxilla or the hard palate, all of those bones and that connective tissue is very malleable in that state.
And so, like, the act of suckling as a baby is you're starting to work that pressure and work the jaw. And if you're not doing that, then it would lead to the connective tissue to kind of start to collapse a little bit, which is really problematic. Yeah, the palate, the width of the mouth, you know, it's all generated off of pressure. And then teeth start coming in a little bit. And there was no baby feed. There was no rubber, you know, sucking bottles, you know, pre-sucking.
agriculture ancient ancient times and this is this is a time frame where there was also no crooked teeth which is wild it's it's just it goes hand in hand and it's all the way to even the breathing and the development of your sinus cavities the alignment of your passageways here your lower jaw
You know, the soft diet, the processed diet. But then there's multiple angles that I think is the problem. It's not even just the lack of pressure, but it's the lack of saliva that's generated. You know, your saliva glands are... The closer, in my mind, the closer you get to teeth to teeth, you know what I'm saying, is when it's like...
antibacterial, the saliva's producing to cleanse stuff, you know? So maybe back in the day we would use the bite more ferociously and it's when you're going in for the kill. Or just chewing meat and, you know, you're just generally gonna be chewing harder things. It's not cooked all the way through, exactly. So you're eating and then, but you're...
You know, I believe the saliva is sort of like a natural antibiotic. So it kills antibacterial. So it gets the bad ones. It's like licking its wound. 100%. And then at the same time, there's bad bacterias in there from lack of saliva. You know what I'm saying? So if you're eating a processed diet, which is... Mouth breathing will contribute to that. I mean, that adds to it. You know what I'm saying? Once you've lost the strength, the alignment of head, neck, and jaw structure...
Especially because everybody's got text and like you know we're looking down. We're not talking as much as we used to nor as aggressively. It's uh you know we're losing head neck and jaw alignment placement.
And then mobility. What do you think about mewing, John, mew and tongue posture and things of that sort? I mean, it's all crucial. That even goes back to on the babies, you know, the tongue posture on the baby. You want them to be able to get the tongue to the roof of the mouth.
to expand the palate. The tongue acts as a retainer for the roof of the mouth. It expands the palate, the maxilla, which these bones don't just exist in a vacuum. They are all interconnected through the, a fancy word for it, the tensegrity of the cranium. All those bones are being...
augmented and shifted every time you do something such as expand the upper palate. So you can get like the upper palate expander, the maxilla thing. That's going to be expanding your nasal passages as well because the nasal passage is the floor of the nasal passage is the roof of the mouth. And so if you are closing down the roof of the mouth because of poor tongue posture or
i.e. the tongue's not resting at the roof of the mouth and there's not that vacuum seal thing happening and it's not actually creating like a subtle retainer, you know, all through your life, ideally, since you're a baby, then naturally your nasal passages will also be closing because the floor of the nasal passages are the roof of the mouth. Yeah. No, I mean, it makes so much sense and
It's really just such a simple thing, you know. Instinctually, you know how to come out of the womb and breathe, cry. And then the first motion before you can roll over is to do that, you know. So it's the first thing, and then I look at the alternate side of life. As you start to age and you hit the later years...
You start to lose your teeth, you know what I'm saying? Because your diet is, is robbed you of the bone structure. You know, how do you maintain bone structure? How do you build it? It's pressure. It's, it's blood flow with nutrients and then pressure creates bone. Like just if you're a fighter and you use a banana tree on your shins to build the bone deposits and kill off the nerves, you
You know, it's just, it's crazy when I look, because I've had a lot of jaw work over the, you know, the 10 years because of injuries. And every time they do x-rays, they're just like...
How was there so much more bone deposit, you know, around the plates, where the cracks were? Yeah, what was... Can you go kind of briefly through what was... You got severely jacked up in a motorcycle accident in Hawaii, which kind of started this whole path towards what you're doing with jaw work. You know, 100%, actually, it's what really brought it into fruition, so...
I grew up in Alaska, was a strong wrestler. State finals of my senior year, I break my ankle, lose by a few points. Scholarship goes out the door. And then I take my ground and pound wrestling skills to mixed martial arts where I defend a belt. I win a belt on the light heavyweight in Alaska. There's a couple belts up there, but out of Fairbanks. And, uh...
I went 10, 10 and 2 in the cage. But during my journey there, I got this tip from Tyson. They would chew on a piece of leather to strengthen his masseter, his bone structure, and a better bite on his mouthpiece. So I take it to the next level, and I go to the pet store. And I start to find nylon-type Kong toys that have the right inner dimension, the right angle to where I can hold.
essentially go from a full open to back to as close to teeth as possible. And then I would gnaw on like a little chew toy for a while and everybody thought it was nuts, but it got me in this like primal state. It got me getting ready for battle. And then it clearly gave me a better bite on my mouthpiece and a stronger facial structure from just the training of biting into a mouthpiece. Um,
So then, you know, some years go by, I have a jaundice. Does that make, what's the, do you know anything about how you could have a stronger chin to not get knocked out? Is there something to, I would imagine like neck strength compared to like all of that having solidity. It's the chin you think, but it's really, it's the button, right? So in my mind, the sweet spot is, it's right here, a little bit up to where what it's going to do is it's going to,
It's going to cock that TMJ, and I think it shorts something out between the temporal and the brain. And, I mean, that's how people get knocked out. So the chin, I mean, of course, has got to be strong. But the reality is the stronger dissonance so it can't be displaced is where I believe it's tenfold for structuring the jaw and bracing for impact.
And even more so, these large neck muscles. Oh, and that's what creates it. You can see as I go here, and then I hit the tongue into the back of the unit, right? Just like you'd want on the roof of the mouth, you know? Back to the binky thing, when they put the binky in the mouth, you know, it's kind of debilitating the tongue from even being able to press up unless a kid uses a binky with a tongue on the top of it, you know what I'm saying? You just made me think of that. Yeah.
So it's kind of like training a kid not to put their tongue up where it's supposed to be to where it needs to be reversed. But back to that action to where if you can reinforce and then you can, the nerves coming from the base of the brain down to the spine to control the body, it's all connected. And if you can fire those patterns, I see something when you see, for instance, did you watch the hockey game the other night between America? Yeah.
So a really good game, but all of them have their mouth, little guards, sideways out of their mouth when they're in between, right? And they're doing this. Or, for instance, basketball players got a couple pieces of gum in. They got gum in, they're chomping. Or Pete Carroll, the coach on the side of the line, chomping gum aggressively against
So there's a tension release, but there's also some kind of, I can't get all the science on it yet, but there's some firing pattern that's going to your fingertips, to your hips, to your toes. It's like...
it's kind of like you're activating your cranial nerves you know you're activating your facial muscles and your your tongue and the you know the muscles of the throat and the jaw and all that stuff so all of those we just did i just had a podcast with a guy called stephen porges who did um he created idea or like pioneered idea called polyvagal theory and one of the things within the polyvagal theory he calls when a person's in a place of
you know, calm, open, like parasympathetic tone, the vagus, then they would call that ventral vagal tone, ventral being front of body. And so it's what that would translate to would be the front of the body is animated. So your eyes and your facial muscles and your tongue and your mouth and your throat, the tone of your voice,
is relaxed and it's engaged and it's like warmed up. And if a person goes into a place where they're like frozen, their nervous system is really shut down, they'd call that dorsal vagal tone. And so that's more activation of the back. So like the fight or flight side of it? Yeah, so there'd be fight, flight, freeze. And so when a person's in
like social engagement, they're going to be activated in that ventral front of the body, which is the facial muscles and the tongue and the larynx and the voice box and all of that. And so when a person is really comfortable, they are going to be better with their words. The tone of their voice will be a little bit maybe slower, a little bit deeper. And just like you could warm up like a free throw shot in
in basketball, you could also warm up your nervous system by activating those muscles in the face, i.e. chewing, i.e. using your tongue, i.e. violently going through and chewing that gum. It's almost like keeping your nervous system in that more balanced tone. Yeah, well, 100% on that note, I believe that's why people like to graze so much because it's the activation in a light way. It's comforting, and then they mix it with
whatever chemicals they put in food these days you know the processed stuff that's triggering okay now we got smell sight sound crunch texture and then the kit caboodle is like whatever chemicals kick trigger in the brain to say wow if you keep getting more of this but really maybe what you're it's the crunching you know i'm saying you're wanting this i coined it like restless jaw syndrome humans struggle from because
We don't produce the force that's usually generated by this muscle group. It's the pound for pound strongest muscle group in the human body. And then we've gone ahead and said, "Well, how can we make it weaker?" And it's really about creating a healthy muscle, but fully mobilized. Like always compare it to, okay, so your jaw joint, and then maybe compare it to your elbow. And if you're doing biceps,
If you're always only working the last bit, you know, the top side of the bite, this last little bit, it's just like you'd be like, I'm always at the gym with T-Rex arms. And then it's like, oh my gosh, I got to go down. And then especially because it's not even. We don't grab arms, we don't grab weights and go like every which way as when you see people eating these days, especially with like a piece of gum. I can't even do the circular motion because my TMJ is so aligned proper with
But people do, you know, I got to make it do it. And it doesn't even do it. And then they're passing the gun back, you know, and they're like, and then they hit one side where they're like. So what happened with the motorcycle accident? You've got some photos and such where you were like, what took place with that? Well, I was recovering from a jaw injury. I suffered in Alaska. I went to Hawaii for recovery. And then.
I get to Hawaii and the plates in my jaw where my body wasn't accepting it. So then it goes into, as you can see in one of these pictures, I get a huge, what you'd call an infection from the plate. Just not taking well, it's my body swells up, pops open here, not draining it. And then I go into, uh,
in Hawaii, luckily I had good insurance. They're like, we're going to put you on there for 90 minutes, hour and a half, and we're going to pull the metal out because it doesn't seem...
to be setting well in there. Well, then they have to re-break my jaw. This is all previous to the actual accident. So re-break my jaw, wire me shut for another four months. So now a combination, I've been wired up for eight months. I've lost my primal drive. I mean, before this, I was a cage fighter. I was a crazy Alaskan. What does primal drive mean? I mean, I just went from being like this...
Over the top a little bit aggressive and you and your personal experience would tight jaw strength and jaw engagement to that I mean I hate to even admit it but once I lost the draw strength and structure I even lost my sex drive. That's
That's so interesting. And after being wide month for four months, brother, you know what I'm saying? I was drinking. I was blending stuff, drinking it all out of smoothies. Turned her a baby. I just reversed it. Yeah, I reversed it. And then, so the kickers win. Then I go all the way to zero. And then I'm like, wait a sec. You can really tell the difference on something of this caliber when you have a pretty primal life all the way down to zero.
Bottom as it goes and then so so time goes on I'm in Hawaii jaw gets rewired Gets undone a few months later. It's still completely imbalanced and I have as I get a zx1000 I go off of my moped to a 1000 from a buddy at work and
really fast crotch rocket, and I think I'll just baby it. It's the Kawasaki, but it was like-- Kawasaki crotch rocket. I never liked crotch rockets. Crotch rocket, bad tires, it had been in a wreck. This is a Wahoo? Yeah, a Wahoo. And like day three, it's Martin Luther King Day, I'm leaving work, and I go off onto H1 under the overpass, and I just hit second gear, probably around 50, and somehow it was a little bit rainy out.
Slip a little left right and then it's just the full school fracture sinus fracture Re-injuring my jaw and neck and then they got me down at Queens Hospital. Do not think I'm gonna make it. No helmet. No helmet. How fast were you going? 50 maybe so I was taking off from work and I kind of wanted to show off to all the guys and I
And they all, they ran out to the light and they said I was on the ground like doing the twitch C's from the head trauma. And my buddy Isaac's like, I didn't know what to do. So I just kicked you in the ribs. Like, hey, are you all right? And long story short. He's a good friend. Yeah. He's like, I didn't know what to do. You had to tell me about it later. But so then I'm down at Queens in and out. And they got nothing to keep me under.
And I come to and I rip all the IVs out because I don't know where I'm at, what happened. They put you in a coma? Yeah, they put me into it. It started rag and then started coming to, too much swelling, so they induced...
It was like 10 days, you know? I mean, it's give or take there, but the thing is, like, I didn't... I was out there by myself. I didn't know anybody. My roommate, my brother had flown over to check me. My dad came out. But those few years were such a blur because it's like 50% gone on vision, can't even tell time, don't know who the president is. Like, the list of questions they were asking me were so complicated that...
you know and then it's off to vocal therapy or whatever they wanted to call it and it was just real basic stuff so then i go to barnes and noble and the lady takes me to the puzzle section what year is this this was about 11 years ago so it would have been 14 13 14. and then the ladies i'm like these are too confusing she's like oh i got a section for you and she took me to the kids section so i started with a second grade puzzle book
And then I got big into Lumosity, which I highly recommend. It's a cognitive brain function game online you play. And I would go 300 days straight. No, I'm missing it. A couple times a day. And it's what it does for memory, for your peripheral, for your cognitive, all your cognitive functions. It just sharpens it to where...
Vice versa, say I got in the wreck, I got insurance, I'm going to pay the pity card. Like, I was broke. First place when they let me out of the hospital, I was at the gym. And no impact they wanted, but you know the rope machine that does like this, you sit on? I sit on that for as long as possible. And it was just really about getting my, you know, it was like my brain damage on one side was activating the side of the brain that I didn't use usually as much.
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Which side? Left side? So this is the side that got the super damage, right? Your left hemisphere got damage? Yeah, yeah. And you feel like you became a different person afterwards? See that dent? I see the dent in your head. I mean, I think, I don't know, but people say I met. I did a podcast with a girl. She has one of the most popular TED Talks. I forget what her name is right now. I'm sorry, but she, and she also, she's actually a really famous psychologist person. It's sad I don't remember what her name is, but she had, um,
I think a stroke or something, and her left hemisphere completely shut off. And the left hemisphere of the brain is the one that does like executive function, directive, go, linear, structured, all that stuff. And the right is supposed to be the side that it's way more complex than that, but the right is supposed to be the side that's more like creative, expressive, kind of throw paint in the wall. - Just go for it. - All that stuff, exactly. - Like feels. - Doesn't really make sense, I just go with the feeling. - Yeah, intuition, all that.
And so she went through this phase where her whole, that whole left hemisphere was completely shut off. And she essentially like entered a dream state and like she became one with everything. And she was literally like having a psychedelic trip for, you know, I think it was like a large amount of time, months or something of that sort.
And so do you feel like you have, tell me more about that. How has your personality shifted when you had damage to the left hemisphere of the brain? I was really, bro, I was really struggling with my repeating everything. I was like a broken record. My thought process, I couldn't remember it, but I'd said something.
I would just, you know, just measure. Was it scary? Just repeat. You know, it's always like, oh, I mean, it was scary, yeah, because you don't want to leave the freaking stove on or you don't want to forget to shut the car. You know, all kinds of little things that you all do. I've got to relearn to do all that because it's like,
You know, the same point as I had to learn to tell time, but yet it didn't take me long. And I stabbed right back to it. How long could you not tell time? Bro, honestly, I don't even remember that part. My brother, he told me this because he's out visiting. And he's like, yeah, when we got there, like they were showing you the time thing and you were way off. And I started laughing. And they're like, no, this isn't a joke. So then it's like even more into... Do we take for granted a functioning brain? Yeah. And the thing is, bro, is where I think they get people is...
Especially if you can catch it while it's healing. It can do it. You know what I'm saying? But if you're going to sit back and you're going to go to painkillers, you're going to go to the woo is me, I'm going to see if I can find a way to just live this way now. I couldn't have that option, bro. I was in Hawaii. And Hawaii was one of the most expensive places to be in the country. Had just started a new job, bought the bike. I mean, I had to get back to work and work.
And that was it. I just had to enjoy the journey. And it's like, if I would have just not made myself relearn and continue to, I mean, I'm still a space case by all means, but I can say I got a brain. It's surprising I got this far. When did you start? So you're the founder, co-founder, co-founder, right? No, I'm the founder. You're the founder of a company, Jawsercise, which is a jaw strengthening device. Yes, sir. When did you, and you guys have blown up.
Yeah, we're pretty well-known. We've created a whole market. I'm not going to say that facial yoga and ex-facial stuff wasn't always around, but it never was. Eight years ago, there wasn't a ton of people doing face yoga. How do you go from a...
Anchorage, Alaskan. Fairbanks. I'm a Fairbanks boy. Fairbanks, Alaskan, fishing, hunting, getting punched in the face, kind of like roughneck type human being, MMA, cage fighter, chewing on dog conch tools to infantile post-accident, like rebuilding yourself from an infant back into a human being into being like big baller, successful businessman,
and educating the world? Honestly, man, I would say the biggest part on that was my friend from the gym, she's a personal trainer there, she's like, you got to come to yoga. Like you, because I was like just, I mean, just, I can't explain it, just all over the place, in circles, my mind wouldn't relax because it was trying to fix itself. You know what I'm saying? So then if you're always in this trying to get back to what you...
I guess I'd just say that once I got to the, you know, so exactly, I went from a cage fighter, wrestler, ground and pounder, just hello wheels in Fairbanks, Alaska, the last frontier. I mean, it's, we're talking 50 below dark all winter, light all summer. I mean, there's not a, in my mind, a crazier breed of people than the furthest North city in the U S but, uh, once I found the yoga mat and the breath to movement and the mobility and the,
the moving meditation you know i'm saying i couldn't i couldn't rest my mind but if i could do a moving meditation to where it's the same flow you're doing 27 poses you're doing them twice it opened me up really and then as my brains is developing it's like all of a sudden i went from
you know i don't know if it would be the more analytical salesperson construction hard i just i've seen the broader picture i guess just the way you want to live life you know what do you think it is about you and the and the company that has been able to like scale and grow the way that it has i know i was that broken record like i saw the mission my pitch really didn't change for the first few years motorcycle wreck brain trauma
created a product to fix my face, fix my brain. I'm getting better every day because of it. So I have to re-educate the world that you do have to train these muscles and eating isn't the option you want to go with, especially with the kind of diet that most people have at their fingertips. So...
What do you mean eating isn't the option? You just mean we don't have access generally. The food that we're eating is quite soft in nature. There's a muscle group there. Why don't I just eat more? I talk. I chew gum. But it's like saying, well, yeah, your muscle group is really important as your legs, but you walk more.
Even saying are you walking enough? There's there's something I don't know that you have actually heard about that you'll be really interested in that I mentioned it really briefly before but I did another podcast with another fella previously about Co-activation potentiation CAP which is the meaning of that is when you engage muscles hard
such as like the jaw muscles while you're lifting, which you know about this intuitively and naturally just through being a fighter and like lifting weights and all that stuff and also using jaw exercise while you're training. But you actually can create
what's called neural drive more neural drive so like more access to the motor units you're recruiting more of them to engage more of your muscle fibers through the activation of your muscles around your jaw you can also do it around the muscles around the hand just enjoy like you squeeze tight bite down tight you're amplifying you're increasing your neural drive
and activating more, recruiting more of yourself as a product of that squeezing down. So when people are not so strong, sometimes you can feel their body's almost like flaccid. It's like a little like loose and, you know, it's like some certain like people that do too much yoga or maybe too much flowy dance. They don't really have like activation. The missing that connective tissue.
especially around the joints. You also need to be able to turn into a stone. Like, you need to be able to get stiff and then loose. - And then stiff. - Exactly. And then loose. And that co-activation potentiation cap that you can activate through the jaw, you can activate through the hands, you can activate through pressure in the midsection, all of that causes you to turn into a stone,
which makes you be able to be stable and also allows you to recruit more muscles and so the using having like a some type of mouthpiece which you guys now have the jaws or size you guys have the one for the molars as well which is awesome this is the one that i will use the most by by far so you can use it for lifting you can use it for expect like actually i highly recommend use it for lifting and when you're doing a lift
bite down on that mofo as hard as you possibly can, and you will get stronger immediately, which is very interesting. Yes, sir. And on that note, too, as you can see, there's always play into it to where if you put a static mouthpiece in that's hard, that you're biting into,
It's like it's the end of that explosion you're trying to create. But with this, you can bite down and then down and then almost teeth to teeth as you squeeze the silicone out, but not quite teeth to teeth, right? So it really gets...
I've always thought that it's something about the bite. Once it's fully engaged there, you know, probably back in the day, you know, our ancestors used to be a little more savage and they used the jaw as a weapon. And to get that clench and then the canines hit and there's some kind of activation that lets you know that it's all or nothing time. You know what I'm saying? So it's similar to when someone's
lifting without it and they're splitting their molars because they're wanting to bite as hard as they can but they're at the end of it you know to where this is going to have some thin silicone in there to where you can just keep going and it's as you push your pull as you pull harder oh you can get just a little bit more and it's clearly like if you do this and it's like you can almost almost
move the fingertips so somehow we got to get the science on this man i wish huberman labs i wish gary brekka the human garage some someone's got to help us get some studies showing that because it's like you're putting it under maximal force and then even it's it's the bite force that's generated because a soft one is 10 pounds so you do a thousand reps you just generated 10 000 pounds of force
With this joint and these cranial muscles and your frontal cortex is pressing down as you bite in and then you're pulling up with the
neck muscles. How important is posture while you are doing jaw training? Because that's something, so that comes into like the mewing stuff and orthotropics and all of that stuff. Posture is a big part of respiration and a big part of jaw alignment and all of that. Yeah, that's all we're trying to do is reverse it. Reverse how the bad posture and the imbalance and the demobilization of the joint and then the lack of the muscles to
I have, you know, a lot of people think, oh my gosh, you know how tight my mast jaw is already? I clench, my muscle fibers are so short and tight. They don't even want to look at the jawline as they say, my jaw hurts just thinking about it. But they, I mean, I'm not making any claims here, but everybody we've come across, once they mobilize the full range of motion of the joint, they bite into it.
They do their reps. I always say, go do 1,000 push-ups. This is the job. You think you're going to want to do another push-up? You know, you do full range of motion. Your muscles are exerted. They're exhausted. They're not restless. And they're hydrated. They're perfused with blood. Like, they become activated. They become healthy. They become enlivened. Like, it's like you can have a muscle...
This comes from a guy called Vladimir Yanov. They can be locked long or locked short. And so you can have a muscle that's spasmed, essentially. It's super hypertonic. But it's hypertonic because it's actually locked in a long position. So you'll see that a lot of times with people like their back muscles, for example. Their backs are super tight.
and they happen to be hunched over. So those muscles are actually elongated and stuck in a locked position. So it seems like, oh, if it's hard, it must be short. But it's not necessarily hard just because it's short and contracted and balled up. It could be hard just because it's just dysregulated. It's disconnected. It's disassociated. Even that clench, you know, you're shortening down here, which is then presumably shortening your core muscles, you know, because you're here, and then you're shortening your breath.
because if you're in the fight or flight mode and i get it life's crazy traffic's crazy late for pick the kids up late for work you know and the answer that people think is like oh i'll just
pull the vape pen out to get a little bit of trigger a little bit of stimulation or they're like oh maybe some chips that'll be good crunch crunch crunch that that's soothing that's comfort food bro so it's comfort is the action the chemical is the trick you know what i'm saying so we're trying to reverse psychology of people and say hey instead of
Like, dude, if you feel the need to bite your nails, clench your jaw, overeat, graze, smoke, it's the fidgeting. It's the restless leg syndrome of the jaw. So it's... Have you done mewing yourself? Yeah, yeah. Actually, first year in business, I reached out to Dr. Mew. I believe he's in the UK. Yeah.
He immediately got back to us. We sent products to him. He loved the product. We did some back and forth, but we just, that was the end of our relationship. He gave us a thumbs up and, you know, I wouldn't say he ever endorsed us. Do you do any mewing exercises yourself? I mean, it's just, in my mind, it's just, it's like your Uji eyebrows. So I'm a yoga practitioner. So you want the tongue on the roof of the mouth, lightly touching the back teeth, as well as the throat muscles.
swallowing muscles kind of engaged where, you know, this is proper alignment. So a big, a big crazy these days is people are liking the mouth tape, which is like such a bandaid for the dysfunction, you know, for not being able to properly hold your jaw shut without thinking about it. When you go off thinking and you go in your mouth to open and your mouth breathing, it's like, there goes your oral health. There goes, I mean, stress, your sex life, tension, everything. Oh, I mean, and then it's like,
The kicker, I think, bro, is saliva and oral health leads to good gut health, which in my mind is where a lot of disease comes from inflammation, which is from poor gut health generated from bad saliva, from not utilizing. You know, the good saliva kills off the bad saliva, takes care of dry mouth. Dry mouth leads to poor gut health because you're getting under-digested food, right? And you're like...
Not everybody, but you know, it's like, you know, I'll grab my... Keeping the saliva flowing, that's an interesting kind of almost analogy. It's like keeping the saliva flowing. It's like keeping water in a river. If things start to dry up in the pond and things start to get stagnant and bacteria starts to grow. Back it up. Yes, sir. But if you keep the, you know, I used to be, end up making ponds as a little kid. I was like a big fan of, I just make ponds and sit beside them. Love a little bit. Smoke weed. Yeah, yeah. It was a good time. Yeah.
But you need to get the right pump for the right size of pond. If you get too small of a pump, then the pond will end up being stagnant and bad for the fish. And so you need to get the right gallons per hour pump in order to circulate and have a healthy pond. I've been thinking about this now, but it's kind of interesting to think of by activating those salivary glands, it's almost like you are activating a stronger pump to circulate this antibacterial saliva. Yeah.
It's kind of cool. It's cool and it's crazy too because, you know, Dr. Andrew Huberman did a show where he was talking about why people have unattractive faces. And there's the Jaws Resizer out there. It's really big in Hollywood. That and peptides. Yeah, it definitely works. It reconstructs your facial structure in just a matter of months.
But he says, oh, the one thing about it, though, makes you drool a lot. So it's kind of gross. So then I sit back and I'm thinking, well, drool, I mean, is saliva this amazing thing for your oral health and gut health? And I feel like drool is such a, I don't want to say derogatory, but it's such a, just doesn't make sense. You know, it's not drool. Drool is like something you drool out all over the place. Saliva is something you generate to promote oral health and gut health.
So if you can multiply your saliva generation, does that lead to good gut health? If you can multiply blood flow to the brain, does that lead to cognitive functions in brain health? Because I'm pretty sure nutrients, blood flow, oxygen, followed with resistance, pressure, bone structure, connective tissues, fascia, collagen, it's all stimulated with these things that...
Like, it's just like running transmission fluid, oil, all the stuff that goes in your car. You got to keep it pumping, bro. You got to keep the circulatory going. So I really think the benefit, one of the best benefits is the processed diet's really bad for you, but it's because you're not chewing enough. So you take some processed stuff, you're like, meh, meh, meh, get a few bites, grab the Gatorade, chase it down, dilute your stomach even more, and then...
People struggle with dry mouth, and then dry mouth leads to the poor oral health, like bad bugs, I guess you would say, bacteria. And they're finding now that, oh, that same bacteria they're finding in breast cancer tissues all the way down to the rectum. They're seeing that it stems from possibly just the poor oral health.
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Then dry mouth is also an indication of being in a more stressed state as well. So if you're stressed out, you're scared, you're in a sympathetic state, you'll notice your mouth is dry as well. And so a well-salivated mouth would be an indication to your system like we're chilling. Yeah. And then even more on the kicker, all night it's like,
A lot of people take pharmaceuticals and they dry your mouth. SSR is one of the main causes. I don't know exactly what it's called. What is it? SSRI. SSRI.
I believe they say, oh, it will cause dry mouth. Sorry, not SS, SRI. Yeah, it's one of those. No, selective serotonin, SSRI, yeah, selective serotonin reuptake. So they're saying, boom, this will help release serotonin, but it's also going to dry your mouth, which actually is going to give you bad gut health, presumably, which is possibly your second brain, which maybe is where depression stems from. It's just your brain.
It's just a continuation of the brain. So you see what I'm saying, though? So it's the skin. I mean, I think the whole body is a continuation of the brain. Oh, low dopamine, take this pill to raise it. But actually, it's going to give you dry mouth. So I hope you don't mind dry mouth. But do you really know dry mouth, what it does to your teeth, what it does to your oral health, to your sex drive, to your gut health? Is there something here that's so simple that it, I mean, it's like, I hate to say it, but it's like the simplest form of bro science there is. Like...
no, create pressure. I mean, and something. So in the mentioning of the, the mewing stuff and people can, you know, check this out. And I, I've actually, we launched a breathing program, uh, that goes through all of this, these exercises and such. So people want to check that out. They can, it's a line podcast.com slash breathe. There's a free trial for it.
But the mewing, one of the things that is important with that is that you're actually driving the whole tongue, but particularly the back of the tongue, up to the roof of the mouth. And then the front of the tongue is going, they call it the spot. It's called the alveolar ridge. You're going to put your tongue, you're going to feel a little like, a little spot. It's like a spot. There's a little bone protruding out just above your incisors. You're going to put your tongue on the spot and then press the back of the tongue up to the roof of the mouth. Other ways you could do that.
One of the exercises they'll suggest is like saying ring ring Ring and you're doing that that ring that that sound you you know doing that with your tongue to make that sound that will cause That pressure to push up and as you're doing that you're creating that like that like suction there's a lot of directions there but that tongue actually acts as a retainer creates pressure to push up or
on the maxilla, which again, that's the foundation or base of the nasal passages. So if you have a closed nasal passage, and if you have a closed nasal passage, that creates a whole slew of issues. And then you'll exacerbate being a mouth breather. And then all the issues we're talking about that will get exacerbated. So it becomes this really nasty cycle. So the more that you can do to keep yourself open, your nasal passages open and your jaw strong and in alignment and your neck
It's not just a jaw and neck thing. It's also...
a shoulder thing and a hip thing and a diaphragm thing it's all it's like stacking the whole system but a really great starting point is is with the breath and the breath the foundation for that that nasal breathing is going to be uh spaciousness in the maxilla and a way that you create that spaciousness is by actually using your tongue the way that it's you know has been used for forever in evolution tongue and even the jaw you know the pressure the jaw the pressure to the canines the
Helping widening I guess you'd say it just makes you look hot. You know, I mean it makes you look hot because it looks healthy so people people have they have these inclinations to be attracted to certain types of people having a certain type of waist to hip ratio and having a more like snatched jawline and all that stuff and what the reason that people are Subconsciously attracted to those things isn't just because
Some of it's cultural influence, but most of it's, I think it's just old, age old, millennia. - Well, it's just like-- - Old, a tractor saying, "Oh, that person's healthy. That person can protect that person." - It's good mates. You know, that's what I'm saying. You're looking for someone like that that has that. - And if you're a person that has a very, the term would be like adenoid, like long adenoid. This is kind of me. I grew up, I had very crooked teeth.
I had one of those maxillexpander things. My jaw was like, my upper palate was like a bell, it's like a bell curve. So the inside was like collapsing in. It was like a vaulted, it's still processed, but like I come from, I must have been mouth breathing like a mofo and I must have been, you know, just if I could go back, it would be such a cool thing to be able to go back and like,
like mother or father myself, and I think my parents, I think every parent does the best they can. They didn't know what the hell about-- - They don't know exactly. - You know, myotropics, or you know, whatever. But to be able to go back and be like, oh, your mouth breathing, we're gonna tape your freaking mouth shut.
while you're sleeping, while you're a baby, we're gonna close your mouth, as opposed to-- - So crucial, bro, yes sir. - Yeah, and so if that, and just understanding and chewing on harder food and being able to do that when the face is the most plastic,
That would be really, really, really exciting. And I wonder if I could have corrected that bell curve of the upper jaw and the vaulted maxilla and all that stuff. So if people are parents or want to be parents, I think this is an incredibly important conversation and incredibly important.
thing to learn more about because it's not going to just be your kids going to get laid more or they're going to be more successful. It's also all of the disease that arises as a product of you actually closing down your nasal passages. Yeah, because then it's like you get lack of oxygen, you get lack of brain development, you have lack of bone structure, and then you have this imbalance of your nervous system. I mean, it throws your hip off maybe. You're crooked here. You're not going to be here. And then, of course, you're crunching over.
You know, that's one of my big, the ways I look at it is, so you go from succulating, you go all through life, and then you start to lose your teeth. And then after you lose your teeth, guess what? You can no longer create pressure, so you lose bone structure. Without pressure, you're not getting the muscles, you're not bringing the nutrients. So it's kind of like the circle of life, bro. You know what I'm saying? Oh, wait, first thing I need to do is build, strengthen, mobilize, build.
Then as you die, it's like You're going right back to the fetal position You know I'm saying cuz you come here and you're here and then your teeth are falling out and then you lose bone structure So can you maintain that with blood flow oxygen nutrients? Pressure where does it end? I don't know, you know I'm saying if you continuously were to always generate pressure mobilization muscle generation
you know could you get an extra 20 years of a healthy face i mean you look at somebody who's trained their body their whole life guess what you see 80 year olds these days that are like whoa you're doing push-ups still you look pretty good you know you're missing the facial aspect of it which quite possibly is the most important thing to to train you know what i'm saying because it's seemingly in the brain it's providing the nutrients then it's circulating the blood flow
and then it's topping it off with some juicy saliva. Yeah, and then also getting into things like strengthening the tongue and strengthening the whole air passage to avoid or inhibit snoring. So sleep apnea is a really common thing. That's one of the most dangerous things. Boss, you nailed that because in the beginning of this trial, I had my homemade versions I made down at the jewelry shop.
I was doing reps like I wouldn't believe. I got to have my lady max out every night. She'd count my reps, get to 300 reps. 30 days into it, I struggled with sleep apnea, mouth breathing my whole life bad. She was considering not being able to sleep in the same room as me. And
I said, you know, 30 days and you're doing thousands of reps. Before I released it, I wanted to know, hey, can this hurt somebody? I'm going to push it as far as I can. I'm talking 5,000, 10,000 reps a day, every day, back to back. So she says, oh, my gosh, man, I think your sleep apnea is gone. You're not snoring. You're not gasping for air. So then my doctor buddy says, well, you know, one of the main causes of sleep apnea is a weak lower jaw.
It's like, oh, okay, so throw a CPAP machine to strengthen my lower jaw? Is that going to help strengthen my air passageways? So I think it's something that can be added to these kind of sleep treatments. I'm not by any means saying don't stop your sleep, your CPAP machine, if that's what the doctor prescribes, but do you want to look at why the CPAP machine's there and then address that reason, which would be the dysfunction you suffer from
from not functioning TMJ properly. A lot of people think, oh, that exercise is going to give you TMJ. And it's like, are you a dental hygienist? Because everybody has a TMJ. It's a temporal medibular joint. Maybe you're concerned that by exercising and mobilizing TMJ,
it's going to give you a dysfunction. So wherever in life does exercise become worse for you? I mean, they used to say, oh, backs, oh, go get some rods in your back. You got back problems? But really, should it be mobility, range of motion, connective tissues, alignment? So there's just that. It's Eastern medicine meets Western meets holistic, and then it really comes down to
I mean, it's not a medical product. It's just an exercise device. You know, we're just looking for a way for you to exercise. You know, a lot of problems in the body, the doctor will say, we'll strengthen and immobilize the muscles around the joint. That's the first thing to do. I'll get it aligned. But then it's like, well, I clenched. I created this really imbalanced, terrible dysfunction in my jaw. Come on down. We'll Botox that muscle for you. We're going to just paralyze it.
So then it's like the Botox thing helps to not create the wrinkles, but really does it lose the pressure that loses the bone structure that creates the wrinkles? Yeah, it's like no free lunch. Like you're going to have other issues. Anytime you're introducing some foreign agent into the body, particularly like an agent that is, you know, paralyzes the body, it's like you're probably going to be...
Some trickle-down effect somewhere from that, I would presume. And I've always thought about it. People are like, well, it's a replacement for Botox and Dangerous Surgery. It's like, no, no, no. It's not a replacement. You know what I'm saying? It's something that can go in your toolbox to create a healthy face.
Because you want the muscle, you want the mobilized muscle, you want to relieve the tension by exerting the muscle. And then you want to maintain the bone structure. Because if you just paralyze the muscle and think that you're going to alleviate the wrinkles, wrinkles come from losing bone structure. That's one of the main reasons. So wait a sec. Are we actually, should we be going both angles of this? Like, okay, try not to, when you use the product, don't be scratching your face.
You know, I'm not saying that, okay, if you don't want the lines across the forehead, you got to stop it. If you can't mentally stop yourself from doing it, but you still want to create the blood flow, the pressure and, uh, from good alignment, the healthy muscle. Yeah. So, so putting the neck and we got, we got to wrap up and putting the, you know, the neck into a neutral position, depressing the shoulders like this, uh,
anytime it's kind of like something similar, the idea of doing like Kegel muscles for your pelvic floor is like a maybe popular thing. But if you're in a misaligned kind of like maladaptive pelvic position and you're practicing tensioning the muscles from that position, you're kind of like rehearsing maladaptive patterns and tightening and strengthening maladaptive patterns. So that would be the place where I think like
doing using something like jaws or size or you know a jaw strengthening device like that but also being attentive to am i opening my airways while i'm while i'm doing this am i dropping my shoulders back am i breathing through my diaphragm and you know really thinking of like i'm globally utilizing this tool as opposed to it just being isolated to just the jaw itself would probably be beneficial for people
It's the full connection, you know, and that's why I'm glad that everybody finally realized that you're supposed to nasal breathe more. In the beginning, everybody was online saying, "Put a hole in the middle of it. How are you going to breathe with that in your mouth?" But now, suddenly, everyone's like, "Well, actually, you're supposed to breathe through your nose." So you place it in there and you force the nasal breathing, which is engaging the muscles,
This is the part that I really want to try to figure out. So for instance, if I'm on my road bike and I'm riding and I throw the jaws or size in, all of a sudden I'm in this mode to where I can't stop. I'm in this like...
Someone tries to pass me, oh, bro, it's a race today. So you chomp, you chomp, and it like, it makes, I can't explain it, bro. It opens up this, this like primal, this like explosive, it's like this feeling that no one's ever felt because we've never been able to bite as much force into a product. Baby jaws. It's actually soft, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't hurt your teeth. I mean, this stuff is like, it's so high quality. I mean...
Well, I appreciate you, man. I really enjoy it. I really appreciate you and your whole cruise attitude and vibe and energy. It's cool. I didn't realize you guys like are actually proper Alaskans. Like you live in Alaska. Yeah. Yeah. Proper. Born and raised. I mean, I did spend some time in Hawaii and I do have a place in St. Pete now as well, but I spent 30 years in Alaska. I mean, I've worked the North slope. I've done it all.
You've lived a very incredibly interesting life. And is there anything else to leave people with before wrapping this piece up? I just want to educate the world on the importance of exercising the muscles in the face, relieving the tension in the jaw, okay? It's not... Maybe this isn't for everybody, but from what we've found and from some of our... We've done a little clinical study showing the immediate relief is...
In Bruxism, the sensation, the clench, the clicking from lubricating the disc and strengthening and aligning it. And not to go by any means, it's just we have such a money back guarantee. We refund even shipping. So we just really want people to try it.
If they have any concerns or preexisting issues, please talk to your dental professional or your medical professional. And don't you guys, with your money back guarantee, don't you do something? Do you have to ship it back? I remember seeing you do something where you like. No, we don't want used mouthpieces back at the factory. Didn't you say you like send a picture that you cut it?
So you're like, you're done with this. That is it. Yeah, sometimes when there's like the money back guarantee, but like who's going to actually ship it back? Who's going to pay for the shipping? The fact that you actually do that, I think is very honest. We haven't drove the point home enough. We have, because we have for one such minimal return rates, but also like that's simple as it is. Like it might not be for you. It's not, maybe it's not for everybody. Exercise isn't for everybody, presumably, but...
We, that's our like no risk. Like we just want you to try. And the worst thing you can do is take this little soft piece of silicone out of everything that people put in their mouth in the world and it's just, oh, okay. You know, you do 10 reps and you think,
Okay, that felt a little like something I never felt, but did it feel like I'm aggravated? Did it feel like it made it worse? I've never heard anybody say, you know, that they felt that it... Even in our clinical studies, like 8.7 out of 10 people were finding relief, and the 1.3 or whatever the exact numbers were, we're seeing no difference. So the theory that if you exercise the jaw, you're going to make it worse is like...
Western medicine doesn't want to hear it? Movement's going to be the most effective tool for remediating almost any condition that's happening, like any musculoskeletal condition that's taking place. Movement is going to be one of the number one things you can possibly do. Yes, sir. Across the board, across any data or science or research or anything. Movement's going to have the greatest effect, typically. Yes, sir. And they're not that...
just the really soft levels, you know, there is stronger levels if you're trying to build mass and bulk and if you're taking kicks in the face. But for the average person, it's just like a 10 pound. I mean, your jaw can generate hundreds of pounds of force. So if you think this putting in just that simple motion couldn't be smoother. And I mean, we just want the world to give it a shot. And if it doesn't work for you, cut in half before you do too many reps and just give up on it.
And please help us just change just what this does for you or for you. You want this to do for the people you care about too, the following of people.
So it's. I appreciate you. So Jawsercise. J-A-W. How do you spell it? J-A-W-Z-R-S-I-Z-E.com. Yeah. And I'm not sure if we do, but I think probably there's a good chance if they use a line promo code, they'll probably get a discount or something. We'll make sure it's set up. Yes, sir. Great. And then there's also the Amazon Prime. We've been big on Amazon. They're a really, really big platform for us. Thank you, bro. I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you all for tuning in. That is it. That is all. I'll see you next week.
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