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Disparagement, Contempt, and Disrepute

2018/3/15
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Simon Tam:乐队名称 "The Slants" 是对种族歧视的回应和自我赋权的表达,并非意图冒犯他人。他认为政府不应以冒犯性为由干涉言论自由,尤其是在涉及边缘群体的表达时。他详细描述了其童年和青少年时期遭受的种族歧视经历,以及他如何通过重新诠释贬义词来对抗歧视。他强调了在身份认同中宣称所有权的重要性,即使该身份认同可能带有刺痛感。他认为,政府不应成为道德或观点的仲裁者,因为这会不成比例地影响边缘群体。他认为,美国专利商标局(PTO)在拒绝其商标注册申请时,使用了虚假信息,并对乐队造成了负面影响,导致演出和演讲活动被取消。 主持人:本案的核心问题是政府是否有权以冒犯性为由拒绝注册商标。主持人回顾了案件的经过,包括美国专利商标局(PTO)根据《兰汉姆法案》第 2(a) 节拒绝注册“The Slants”商标,以及 Simon Tam 随后进行的上诉过程。主持人还介绍了美国专利商标局(PTO)在诉讼过程中的辩论策略,以及最高法院最终裁决的结果。主持人分析了最高法院的判决,指出法院驳回了商标注册属于政府言论的观点,并认为政府没有保护人们免受冒犯的合法利益。主持人还总结了最高法院判决对《兰汉姆法案》第 2(a) 节的影响,以及 Simon Tam 对案件结果的看法。

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Why did Simon Tam name his band 'The Slants'?

Tam named his band 'The Slants' as a form of self-empowerment against the bigotry he faced as an Asian American, aiming to reclaim a negative stereotype and turn it into a tool of defiance and power.

What significant incident from Simon Tam's childhood influenced his perspective on reappropriation?

During middle school, Tam was attacked by a group of students who repeatedly called him racial slurs like 'Jap' and 'Gook'. His defiant response, claiming the slur 'chink' as his own, made them stop and made him realize the power of reclaiming an identity.

How did the United States Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) justify denying the trademark for 'The Slants'?

The PTO denied the trademark under Section 2(a) of the Lanham Act, which allows refusal if a trademark includes matter that may disparage or bring into contempt or disrepute persons, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols.

What was the PTO's process for determining if a trademark is disparaging?

The PTO first determines the likely meaning of the mark in the marketplace. If it refers to an identifiable group, they then assess whether the meaning might be disparaging to a substantial component of that group.

Why did Simon Tam and his lawyers shift their focus to a First Amendment argument?

Tam and his lawyers shifted focus because they realized the PTO's application of Section 2(a) disproportionately targeted marginalized groups like people of color and LGBTQ+ communities, burdening already disadvantaged groups and violating free speech rights.

What was the outcome of the Supreme Court case Matal v. Tam?

The Supreme Court ruled that Section 2(a) of the Lanham Act, which allows the PTO to deny trademarks it finds offensive, violates the First Amendment, vindicating Simon Tam and The Slants.

How did the PTO's false claims about 'The Slants' impact Simon Tam?

The PTO's false claims led to speaking events and band performances being canceled, and Tam receiving threats at his job, as people believed the government's misinformation about the band's name being racist.

What was the Supreme Court's stance on whether trademarks are commercial speech?

The Supreme Court did not definitively decide if trademarks are commercial speech, but ruled that under any standard of scrutiny, Section 2(a) fails to meet constitutional requirements.

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Simon Tam discusses his band's name 'The Slants' and its origins as a form of self-empowerment against racial bigotry. The United States Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) disagrees with his perspective.
  • Simon Tam named his band 'The Slants' to reclaim a racial epithet.
  • The PTO disagrees with the band's self-empowerment narrative.

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Is it the government's job to tell you when you're being offended and protect you from offense, whether or not you agree? Simon Tam is the bassist and founder of a band he named The Slants. He and the other members of the band don't think the band's name was disparaging or offensive. Tam grew up in California facing discrimination and disparagement as an Asian American, and he named the band to fight back against that bigotry, to turn it against the bigots. I mean, the name really came from...

I mean, for one, as commentary, like you pointed out, but also because we wanted to share our perspective or our slant on life, if you will, of what it's like to be people of color in the U.S. And the idea of kind of reappropriation and claiming of negative stereotypes really got cemented in my mind from a couple of incidents as a child and throughout high school that

Most notably, one happened during my middle school years when I was responsible for cleaning up the sports equipment during our recess one day. And I didn't realize it, but another group of students hung back and stayed. They actually surprised me by jumping me. They pushed me to the ground. They started kicking sand in my eyes, started punching and kicking me, all the while yelling, "Jap!" and "Gook!" over and over again.

And it wasn't until I snapped and I said, you know what? I'm a chink. Like, if you're going to be racist, at least do it correctly. This is how stupid you are. You can't even be a proper racist that they stopped.

And that's when I realized there's so much power in being able to claim an identity, even if it's one that stings. Because when you say this belongs to me and my community, when I'm going to use it as a form of self-empowerment instead of letting you use it as something to push me down, it can be truly empowering and transformative.

So, Simon Tam, an Asian American who faced racism, thought he had the right to make that decision about reclaiming language, to take back an epithet and turn it into power and defiance. But a bunch of people, not Asian people, at the United States Patent and Trademark Office disagreed. I'm Ken White, and this is Make No Law.

The First Amendment podcast from Popat.com brought to you on a Legal Talk Network. This is episode four, disparagement, contempt, and disrepute. The slants didn't choose their name as a marketing gimmick or to troll. It was expressive. It not only made a statement about racism, but it acted as a callback to other Asian American groups before them.

It's definitely deeply personal, and it was kind of my way of paying homage to Asian-American activists who'd been using the term in this kind of self-appropriated way for decades now. I mean, for many years, you had things like Slant Film Festival, which at its height was the second biggest...

Asian American Film Festival in North America. Never once did they receive any complaints. For them, their mission statement was to provide a bold portrayal of Asian American culture. And I always just thought that was so amazing. And you had folks like the Slanted Kings of Comedy Tour, Slant Magazine, Slant TV. All these things were just kind of providing edgy, nuanced views of my experience and one that I could deeply relate to. So I thought, how cool is it to be a part of this overall movement?

So, Simon Tam didn't think the slants was disparaging. His bandmates didn't think it was disparaging. The band's many fans didn't think it was disparaging. The problem arose when Tam tried to register the trademark for the slants with the PTO, the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

The PTO denied the application and refused to register the trademark under Section 2A of the Lanham Act, which governs trademark registration. Section 2A says that the PTO can refuse to register a trademark if it includes, and here I'm quoting it, "...matter which may disparage or falsely suggest a connection with persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols, or bring them into contempt or disrepute."

Now, the PTO uses a two-part process to decide if a trademark is disparaging in their view. First it asks, "What is the likely meaning of the mark in the marketplace?" Put another way, "What does the slant refer to?" If that meaning refers to an identifiable group or person or belief, then the PTO asks whether the meaning might be disparaging to a substantial component of that group.

If they decide it is disparaging, then they refuse to register the trademark. But in the case of the slants, no substantial component of the Asian American community objected to the name at all.

unless the PTO considers itself as a substantial group. The reason why we actually applied was because we had just done 18 months of touring. NPR did their first story on us on All Things Considered called Trading in Stereotypes, talking about how there was this Asian American band that was turning stereotypes upside down. We had worked at that point with over 140 social justice organizations, like Asian American organizations fighting for civil rights,

and bringing attention to their various causes, aligning with them in terms of doing advocacy work, as well as doing anti-racism work, oftentimes on behalf of the US government as well. And when we applied, we had never received a single complaint about the name ever. So that's why it was quite a shocker when we were denied registration on the premise that it might perhaps be disparaging to persons of Asian descent, because certainly nobody in our community felt that way.

Simon Tam challenged the PTO's refusal to register the slants up the chain, first through the PTO examining attorney, then through its trademark trial and appeal board. The PTO examining attorney and its appeal board, by the way,

were not Asian, even though they had strong views about whether the band name was offensive to Asian Americans. When a governor-appointed board of Asian American leaders here in Oregon wrote the USPTO a letter asking which Asian American organizations they consulted with to arrive at the decision, the trademark office wrote back and said none, that they didn't need to, they didn't have the resources to, but that

In fact, the USPTO was very diverse and they had 30% of people who worked at the trademark office being people of color and that Washington, D.C. was a very diverse place. Eventually, the slants with her attorney, Ron Coleman, hit on a new strategy, a new way to spin the application.

And they reapplied for the trademark. He said, as long as you argue you're not offensive to yourselves, you're not going to win. Because they tell you you can always appeal, but what they don't tell you is that nobody who's appealed has ever won. Like the TTAB has never granted something on appeal. So he said, you're not going to be the first. They're not going to give it to you. They're bound by precedent. So his idea was to file a new application that he called ethnic neutral application.

In other words, there was nothing in the application that hinted the fact that we are an all-Asian band. The only thing Asian about it is my Chinese middle name. And he thought, well, SLAMP means a lot of different things. It's not an inherent slur, so maybe we'll luck out. Maybe we'll just file. It'll just kind of go through without someone thinking about it, and we'll get the registration.

However, the trademark office gave us the exact same examining attorney, and he actually copied and pasted his previous response into the current application, submitting another refusal. So, the neutral approach didn't work.

The PTO said, in effect, "Hey, you didn't say it, but we know that you guys are Asian." And we also pointed out the fact that my band is the only one in all of U.S. history to be denied a registration for Slant on the premise that it's disparaging to Asians. Hundreds of them have been applied for before and many of them granted, but not once did they say, you know, Slant can be considered derogatory. So we asked them, like, why that was.

The trademark office responded saying, "It is incontestable that the applicant is of Asian descent and part of an Asian band. Thus, there's an association with the racial slur." But, you know, it's just a fancy way of saying, "Hey, anyone can register a trademark for The Slants as long as they're not Asian." Because I can't change the imagery of the band. That's literally like my face.

We can't change the imagery of the makeup of the band unless I were to fire everybody in the band who's Asian and replace them with non-Asians instead. Simon Tam and his lawyers started focusing more on the First Amendment argument. They had been arguing the facts, that the slant's name is not disparaging, that the PTO didn't find anyone saying it was disparaging, and that the PTO didn't follow its own rules to show it was disparaging.

But that didn't work. Simon Tam didn't set out to overthrow Section 2A of the Lanham Act. He didn't set out to bring a First Amendment challenge. But the more he saw how the PTO applies Section 2A to real people, the more he realized that the government shouldn't have that discretion to treat other people the way they treated him.

I wasn't looking to obliterate Section 2A of the Lanham Act. I thought its intention and its purpose was pretty good. Like, hey, let's prevent a bunch of racist stuff from being registered trademarks. Why not?

However, when I started digging in more and looking at how they applied the law, I realized that it was disproportionately targeting marginalized groups like people of color and members of the LGBTQ community, because we tend to be the groups that reappropriate language. We tend to use parody and satire, irony and wit, and all these other tools that are essential for democracy. But because we tackle on these kind of

difficult areas and because identity politics are constantly shifting, it just made us prime targets for it. And I realized that we're burdening already burdened groups and that's not equitable, that's not justice. And so I realized that the government didn't have the competency to legislate on morality or on viewpoint or even on identity. And that if we left it up to them, then we would see this disproportionate impact.

That's when I started moving closer to kind of almost a pure speech position, almost that of the ACLU, realizing that we can't allow the government to be the arbiter of these things. Sorry if you take offense Silence will not mend Your system's all wrong and it won't be All the kids are singing our song For your backwards feelings and back We won't remain silent It's our defining moment We sing

After failing that second time before the examining attorney and the PTO's appeal board, Simon Tam and his lawyers appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. That's the court that hears appeals from a number of federal agencies.

They argued that under the First Amendment, the government, in the form of the PTO, can't refuse to register a trademark because it doesn't like the message the trademark sends, because the PTO doesn't like the expressive part of the trademark.

Now, this whole time they were litigating this in federal court, the PTO was arguing two main things. First, it was arguing that Section 2A is valid and the PTO can use it because trademarks are commercial speech. And therefore, laws regulating them are subject to the more lenient First Amendment standard that applies to things like advertisements. Traditionally, the courts have given the government more leeway to restrict advertisements than they have other speech.

But the other thing the PTO was still arguing was that the name "The Slants" is offensive to Asian Americans, that it's disparaging. They were still doing that without real evidence. In fact, they were doing that based on things they made up. The PTO claimed during the litigation that one of The Slants' concerts was canceled because so many people found it offensive. They got that claim from an anonymous MySpace page online.

It wasn't true. Simon Tam got declarations from that organization that hosted him saying it wasn't true, and that the concert was canceled for logistical reasons, and that they had had the slants there other times. But the PTO stubbornly stuck by that MySpace page as evidence, even in federal court. Hey, everybody, it's getting way too rough. For safety reasons, I'm sorry. We need to cancel the rest of the show.

During argument before the Court of Appeals, the PTO's lawyers spun this fantasy even further. They claimed that Simon Tam had to be removed physically from the podium at this venue because the audience was so outraged he was there because of the band's name.

But that never happened. It was entirely fabricated. The same organization that the PTO claimed was outraged at Simon Tam recently gave him their Citizen of the Year award and asked him to give a keynote address five years in a row. Even though the PTO had never been able to come up with real evidence that people were offended by the name The Slants, its relentless argument that the name was racist started to have an impact.

And it was like absurd because here I have the federal government telling other people how racist I am while using false information. I mean, what kind of, what does that do to a person? You know, how...

That kind of misinformation being spread about me actually in many ways started hurting me because I started getting speaking events canceled on me and events by the band canceled on me. People pulling out because they said, oh, the government says you're racist, that people are offended. And it took a lot of additional phone calls and paperwork just to say, no, like this is actually false. Like talk to the actual community organizations involved in these incidents and they'll all stand by us no matter what.

It was just like weird to get threats at my job because of what the government was saying. In 2015, the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit agreed with Simon Tam and his lawyers that Section 2A, the law the PTO relied on to refuse to register the slants, was unconstitutional. Here's what Circuit Judge Kimberly Moore said. The government cannot refuse to register disparaging marks because it disapproves of the expressive messages conveyed by the marks.

It cannot refuse to register marks because it concludes that such marks will be disparaging to others. The United States Supreme Court agreed to review that decision. In the Supreme Court, the PTO continued to argue that the slants is a disparaging name and that trademarks are commercial speech and therefore Section 2A is subject to a more forgiving review. They also argued that trademarks aren't really speech by the people who register them.

Instead, the PTO argued, trademark registration is like speech by the government, because the government is putting its own stamp of approval on these marks by registering them, and the government can regulate its own speech.

As Chief Justice Roberts pointed out oral argument, that's begging the question. ...unregistered trademark or for unfair competition more generally. Counsel, I'm concerned that your government program argument is circular. The claim is you're not registering my mark because it's disparaging. And your answer is, well, we run a program that doesn't include disparaging trademarks. So that's why you're excluded. It doesn't seem to me to advance the argument very much.

In June 2017, the Supreme Court vindicated Simon Tam and the Slants. Justice Gorsuch had only recently been confirmed and he didn't vote, but all eight other justices agreed that the PTO was wrong and that Section 2A violates the First Amendment. The decision is a classic Supreme Court dog's breakfast. A mess with different justices agreeing with different parts of opinions and not all agreeing on the justification for the outcome.

But the bottom line was this. The justices rejected the idea that Simon Tam's trademark registration was speech by the government, or speech subsidized by the government, or any other sort of speech that the government gets to control. In fact, writing for the court, Justice Samuel Alito ridiculed that argument. For example, if trademarks represent government speech...

What does the government have in mind when it advises Americans to make believe from Sony? Think different, Apple. Just do it, Nike. Or have it your way, Burger King. Was the government warning about a coming disaster when it registered the Mark Endtime Ministries?

Confronted with the question of whether trademarks or commercial speech and whether laws regulating trademarks should be subjected to the more forgiving level of scrutiny associated with commercial speech, the court did its favorite thing. It punted. Four of the judges said, "We don't have to decide that. We don't have to decide what kind of scrutiny to use on this law because under any standard it fails."

Even under the more forgiving commercial speech standard, Section 2A violates the First Amendment. Four of the justices explained that the government doesn't have a legitimate interest in protecting you from offense. Here's more from Justice Alito. But no matter how the point is phrased, its unmistakable thrust is this. The government has an interest in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend.

And as we have explained, that idea strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful. But the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express the thought that we hate. The justices also pointed out that Section 2A isn't really about stopping discrimination because it covers all disparagement.

The clause reaches any trademark that disparages any person, group, or institution. It applies to trademarks like the following: "Down with racists," "Down with sexists," "Down with homophobes." It's not an anti-discrimination clause. It's a happy-talk clause. In that way, it goes much further than is necessary to serve the interest asserted. The other four justices went even further.

They asserted that Section 2A is viewpoint discrimination by the government, and that it's presumptively unconstitutional whether or not it's commercial speech, and that the court doesn't even have to reach most of the PTO's arguments. This was a complete victory for Simon Tam and an utter defeat for the PTO and Section 2A. Even though the Supreme Court was only ruling on Section 2A's disparagement language, it was clear that other parts of that statute were in trouble as well.

And in December 2017, the other shoe dropped. The United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, relying on the Supreme Court's opinion in Simon Tam's case, struck down another part of Section 2A, the part that allows the PTO to reject immoral or scandalous trademarks.

The implication is clear: parts of Section 2A that allow the PTO to make value judgments based on the expressive content of trademarks are not going to survive. If you look at how the PTO made value judgments in this case, that's clearly a good thing. And Simon Tam? How does he feel about being the guy who took down the PTO's ability to censor trademarks based on its interpretation of them?

He just wants to go back to making his point with music, not litigation. Well, I'm going to enjoy making art and do so for the first time without having a legal case hanging over my head. It's been eight years in this particular battle. And so I'm just so thrilled that it's and relieved that it's over. And I want to use our band as a platform to continue driving these important projects.

conversations about racism and identity and where the role of artists should fall in all of this. So we've already kind of moved on. And honestly, once I walked out of the courtroom at the Supreme Court this January, I was like, I'm over it. This is, I'm done. I'm just going to move on and focus on other things because there are other issues more pressing in our society that we're facing.

There's no mistaken the time I'm gonna test my love. I'm feeling it. Let's level up.

In this series of podcasts, I'll be telling more stories behind important First Amendment decisions. If there's a case you want to hear about or a First Amendment question you'd like answered on the podcast, drop me a line at kenatpopat.com. Thanks for listening. You can find documents and cases mentioned on this podcast at popat.com or legaltalknetwork.com.

If you liked what you heard today, please remember to rate us in Apple Podcasts or follow us on Twitter or Facebook. Lastly, I'd like to thank our guests, voice actors, producers, and audio engineers for their participation. My guest, Simon Tam, founder of The Slants. Our voice actors, producer Kate Nutting as Judge Kimberly Moore and Jason Teixeira of the ABA Journal as Justice Samuel Alito.

Executive Producer Lawrence Coletti. And last but not least, music, sound design, editing, and mixing by Adam Lockwood and assisted by Kelly Kramarik. Excerpts from the oral argument in Mattal vs. Tam provided by Oye, a free law project by Justia and the Legal Information Institute of Cornell Law School.

Special thanks to Simon Tam and The Slants for permission to use their music for this podcast. You can find them and their work at theslants.com. See you next time for episode five, Crush.

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