Episode 46: Interview with Louise Cowley; Running with Dogs
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Welcome to Chasing Life Podcast, where we talk about fitness, running, career, and life tips to inspire you to live your best life. I'm your host, Sarah Kane, and I hope you enjoy today's episode. Hi, Lou. Welcome to Chasing Life Podcast. Thanks for being here. Oh, thanks for having me. I'm really excited to chat with you today. We've been connected on Instagram for a while, and one of the things I love about your page is that you run with your dogs. So

Can you just kind of get started by sharing who you are, what you do and what your running background is? Yeah, I'm probably a little bit late to running, but I run my own business and it's been quite intense over COVID. Luckily for us, our business took off massively at the beginning of COVID. So it's been busy. I've been working from home.

and I needed an outlet which is running, always, always been running but serious running, I'm late too. Ruby is my dog, she's a Rhodesian Ridgeback, she's extremely strong but small for a Ridgeback. We run with a nice little harness

when we're on the road and on the trails, she just runs through. So yeah, it's just good. It's just good to get out and to kind of both of us get our exercise. It helps me clear my head. Absolutely. That's one of the things I love about running too. Now, one of the things that you did during COVID was a run streak. Can you share what inspired you to do that and how that went?

Yeah, it was actually Jane from at the marathon underscore mutt. She's on Twitter, not on Twitter, on Instagram. I saw she was doing one and she runs with her dog and it kind of made me think, actually.

I'm going to try. I never thought it would last more than a week, to be honest, but a year and a month. Crazy. Every day. Didn't matter what the weather, even Christmas Day, which for me, getting up at Christmas Day early actually means opening presents.

but it was out and it was a glorious day actually as well. It's really, really cold, but really, really nice. And it's just so nice to be out with her. It's funny because she feels like she's working when she's got her harness on and I've got the lead strapped to her. She's kind of just trotting along and it just helps us both escape. So for

For COVID, it was a brilliant escape. Absolutely brilliant. Because working from home as well for over a year kind of drives you crazy just a little bit. And I'm sure everybody's been the same. And doing that just was fantastic. Peace of mind, escapism, just, you know, time to get out and free. Did you run every day of the run streak with your dog? Every day.

Yeah. Yeah. She came with me every day. So we did the street together. Sometimes I ran twice because my dad lives next door and he's got a big standard poodle. She's not so brilliant at running because she runs really fast in the beginning. She's got no pace. She can't pace herself. So she goes absolutely flat out. And I'm like trying to catch up, which is crazy. And then halfway through, she's like, oh,

I'm quite tired now and then for the last couple of K I'm pulling an alarm behind me which is a bit rubbish but Ruby's got a really good pace she's ideal to run with. Did you have to do any particular training with Ruby to get her to run at your side or to not tug you like the other dog does?

She just got it straight away, to be honest. She did get under my feet to begin with. But the lead that I use has got kind of like a, I just need to hold it. If she comes in close, you've got to hold it up. I know you run with your dog as well. So I'm sure you're the same. You've just got to be really careful of not tripping over that lead.

all getting caught around the lamppost which I did do one time yes so my dog is kind of like your dad's dog and that she pulls me like a sled dog for like the first half mile until she settles down and and my dog is is small she's about 45 pounds but she's still got like power behind her so I've learned not to run her downhill the first half mile because otherwise I'm going like

like super fast pace that I can't keep up with. So I like try to run her uphill because then at least like she, it's a little bit more manageable pace, but yeah, I use a hands-free leash and that's been fantastic with running and it has a bit of a bungee to it too. So, um, you know, that helps with the pulling because that helps to absorb some of the shock, if you will. I'm so glad I invested in a hands-free leash because it really helps with your running form. Um,

But yeah, some she gets sometimes distracted and social like dirt in front of me. So it's like keeping an eye on the dog. So yeah, that you don't trip over them. Or, yeah, get caught in the leash or anything like that. Yeah, that's the only thing. That's the only thing but my my leads got bungee on it as well. And yes, definitely the best.

the best thing to do and a proper harness. And when we first went out, she just had one of those really thin harnesses, which kind of rubbed her fur and would go from side to side. But she can take direction much better on the proper harness that fits one of the Julius's ones. So yeah, because we've been running for quite a while, she picks up really quickly on which direction I want to go to.

I've also tried to teach her left and right. I'm not sure whether she's quite got it, but I shout out left sometimes. And if she goes out, goes left, I'm like, yes, I'm winning. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think a harness is a great point of,

if you're going to run with your dog to put them on a harness, because if they tend to tug, then it's too, too tough to have it hooked to a collar. Right. And the jolting or the change in directions or anything like that, a harness is, you know, much more secure and sturdy form of attachment to them. I have a harness on my dog too. And I, I have a rabbit goo harness and

And it also has a little handle on it too. So sometimes if I need to like catch her, like she's running out the door or something else, like it has a little handle, which is also super helpful. Yeah, that's really handy, especially with Ruby because she's so strong. If she sees a squirrel,

that's it I'm gone yeah yeah probably I'm really fast when I'm doing you know any training and I get a really good time it's usually because she's on the other end not really my trainer isn't listening to this yeah now with you running so frequently with your dog do you ever get any questions about running with her I already kind of touched upon a couple of like the hands-free leash and a harness and whether you trained with her do you have any other questions that people frequently ask you

Yeah, it's like how do you deal with it in summer when it's hot and how do you deal with it in the winter when it's dark? Those are probably the most frequent ones. For me, I just make sure I plan my route. So if I'm doing a long run on a weekend, I make sure that halfway there's at least like a little lake or a little pond or something that she can

wet her paws in. It's not just the drinking, it's actually sort of wetting her paws and getting some, a little bit of cool, cool down period. I also carry, so sort of like more than 10k, I'll take a little

collapsible bowl that can fit in my backpack and that's really, really handy so she can drink and then I don't have to take in sort of a pond or a stream or anything. But yeah, that's really useful. She loves drinking out of that and I have a, because of the trails, I have a backpack with water in it and stuff. So it's the hydration mostly and planning the routes through the shade, not just for me, but for her.

So she's got plenty of shade. If it is a long run, I try and do it so it's not all on the road so that I can actually let her off the leash. And so she can, you know, run free and do whatever she wants to do. Those are most of the questions in the summer. The winter is kind of like, aren't you worried about sort of like falling down a pavement or tripping over or not being seen by the cars?

You gave me a top tip with your light thing because I got one of those as well. And she's lit up like a Christmas tree with a collar and lights and lights on a harness and all stuff. I feel so much safer going out, so much safer. And you actually you can see that people notice you now in the cars and you realize how amazing.

they didn't obviously see you before when you think you can be seen. Even though I was wearing sort of like quite bright clothes and jackets and shoes and they've all got reflectors, that's been a game changer.

Yeah, I agree. So the vest you're referring to is called a Knox gear three, 360 vest, and they also make them for dogs too. And, yeah, I got them, I got my vest, about a year ago and then a couple months later I got one.

for my dog. And it is unbelievable the difference of cars seeing you. And I've gotten so many comments, even if I'm just walking around the neighborhood or people will say, Oh, I saw you from a quarter mile away, or we couldn't miss you. Or I saw you from like up the street. That vest is so cool because it can light up either with a solid color or a

blinks different colors and you having it on a dog too. It's like, yeah, people cannot miss you. I mean, thankfully my neighborhood, at least in the immediate vicinity of my house, I have sidewalks, but sometimes if I'm at a different neighborhood where there aren't sidewalks, but I'm on the road, it's clear. Like when cars, cars move over even further now because they see me. And I used to have just like a reflective vest from the 1980s. So I don't even know how reflective it really was.

But now with the light up vest, it's really obvious. And you're right. That's a great tip of safety, not just for me as a runner or us as runners, but for our dogs, too. Yeah, definitely. The other thing that I saw the other day that I thought was quite a useful thing is some people say, aren't you worried about other dogs?

So if you're running across a busy park or some ground that's got other walkers, just dog walkers, because as a runner, you're just a target for other dogs. It doesn't personally. I love dogs. So I'm always the one that's going, oh, you know, come and see me, whatever. But I know lots of runners, especially if they're with their dog. It worries them, especially when they jump up.

or whatever but somebody posted a tip about having little lemon spray

and just having that as kind of like a little precaution so just to stop other dog dogs jumping up which I thought was quite a good um nice little tip to to share really um I'd not thought of it like I say it doesn't bother me but um I quite welcome it which I shouldn't I know yeah I've I've heard that too I was running with my dog once and then

It was like the family was walking and the dog kind of, the little girl was holding the leash of the family and the dog like charged and she couldn't hold on to leash and so they came running at us. So that was a little scary and my dog got like very protective, started barking and thankfully I was able to like separate the dogs.

But yeah, in a case like that, I think the spray is like a citronella spray. So it's not harmful to the dogs, but it deters them or it like kind of shocks them that they can step back and then you can like get away from the situation. So that's definitely a really good tip to remind people that dogs could chase you and try to plan my routes. If I go on a new route and a dog ends up chasing me, then I won't go on that route again, right? I try to plan routes that...

I won't be put in that situation. But yeah, that's a really good tip. I'm glad you brought that up.

it's it's funny isn't it because as runners you you don't want to stop your run you don't want to be interrupted at all and it's really annoying if somebody asks you the way or what time is it or can you do this or if you're interrupted in any way it's really frustrating especially if you're trying to chase the time um but ironically the best thing you can do is if a dog is chasing you is actually stop and let them go the other way but um

Yeah, I think that the spray was, I thought was quite a good tip anyway. I also liked what you shared about the collapsible bowl. I have a bowl for my dog too. And it's great for hikes, especially because they often come with a little like clip that you can put under your backpacks and it makes it easy to store. And, you know, it's a great way to make sure that your dog gets clean water out when you're outdoors. Yeah.

also the when you're on uh with the just reminded me with the bowls is um if you're out on a really long trail um it's always good not only to have your own snacks but to take snacks for your dog because they get just as hungry as you when they're doing long runs and they're probably running about four times the distance as you when they're running back and forth and and so on so um so

So yeah, I take loads of snacks for her. Yeah, that's a great tip. I hadn't ever thought of that, but absolutely. Pack lunch for you. Bring some food, either a share of their meals for the day or snacks or something. Yeah, that's a really great tip. When it's on a weekend, it's always a long run. So I know she benefits from the food just as much as me. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like I could talk about dogs forever. Forever.

Well, first of all, I should ask, like, how old is Ruby and how did you get her? She's four.

We had a Rhodesian ridge back before, and I loved her. She wasn't a runner, funnily enough. If I went running with Poppy, she got used to the route that I was doing at the time because it wasn't long runs I did then. I would just run around the field, and she would get used to those routes, and she would literally sit at the gate that she knew I was going to come back to.

It's hilarious. She was the laziest dog I've ever met in my entire life. She was probably twice the size of Ruby. But yeah, no, Ruby from about, well, you have to be careful not to run with them when they're before they're 12 months, I think.

So as soon as she was able to like fully built and all of that sort of stuff strong enough to get out, we just hit the road and just started, you know, slowly with a couple of K and then building up for her. But yeah, she she's loved it. She I think what's the furthest she's run? She's probably done.

probably done half marathon um yeah because I think I was training with a with her for a half marathon so I would take her out for that sort of distance um she just loved it straight away she's she's really um

Sometimes though, she does sit on the sofa and if I get a harness out, she literally looks at me like that. With those, oh my God, I'm rolling my eyes at you, literally, because she's just kind of done. And if she does do that, it's just a short run for that night. But yeah. Yeah, I think you bring up a really good point too about waiting until the dogs are reached a fully developed stage, because if they're still growing, like usually...

Prior to 12 months, their bones are a little more brittle or not. Their muscles aren't fully developed. So yeah, to definitely wait until they're ready. Another tip that I had actually, when I was talking to my vet of

you know, how long can a dog run for? And they're like humans. It's just a matter of building up their endurance. And so not to just jump into running 10 miles with your dog, start small is, you know, a half a mile or a mile. And then slowly work up just like a runner should do when they're training for a race, build up their endurance and then, yeah, then they can run half marathons with you.

Yeah, definitely. It's really important to do that. The other thing is it's quite good to the pavement outside for their nails. They sort of wear down their nails. So, I mean, I don't think Ruby's ever, apart from when she was a puppy, had to have her nails clipped.

But it's important to watch the terrain if you're going to do any sort of lengths not to be completely gravel because it really ruins the course. So watching that, I think, is also important when you're sort of planning your routes. Yeah, another great tip. And even during the summer, too, of like watching how hot the sidewalk might get. So going either where it's shaded, taking them to trails instead,

or, you know, going early in the morning before the pavement gets too hot. Yeah, definitely. So speaking kind of of your running and half marathons, are you currently training for a particular running goal? I was, um,

but I unfortunately had a hamstring injury. So I've had to sort of pull back from planning any races, which I was hoping to do some start back at race, 'cause they've only just really, really restarted in the last couple of months in the UK, which has been annoying. So I was planning to start doing some races in October, but I've never known an injury like it ever.

It's been the worst and the longest to get over. I'm just getting over it. I'm actually running now without it hurting, which is brilliant.

In my head, I want to start. I probably will start with a half. I'd like to get another couple of marathons done next year, really. I also want to do some of the dog races. I think that'd be quite fun. It'll be quite challenging, I'm sure, because she is strong. And if she sees the dog that she wants to chase, it's going to be quite hard. But yeah, I think I'd like to do a couple of those races.

the middle before it gets too hot in the summer next year. I have thought about running a race, but I had the same concern of my dog wants to like greet other dogs. And so it's like it would be chaos. I feel like at the start line when, you know,

say 50 dogs all around and they all want to play with each other. And so just like, to me, I, if I would have done that race to like keep my distance at the beginning and, you know, just kind of like run separate from the group because yeah, she, she gets excited around other dogs. Yeah. You've got to really leave your competitive streak at home, I think, and just run for your safety as well as the dogs.

just keep away if it's because Ruby is both friendly and grumpy at younger dogs.

If a puppy comes near and she'll growl, she doesn't mean anything by it at all. She's really, really friendly. But I think in a race situation with lots of other dogs, it can get quite chaotic. So I would like to try it. Probably just some short ones to begin with, like little park runs or something like that. But yeah, I think it would be quite cool and fun for both of us.

Once we get over the chaos. Right, right. Yeah, hopefully, you know, I'm hoping next year, you know, things will be a little more back to normal and we'll have lots of activities to participate in. And I'm also hoping to run a marathon next year. So I'll be right there with you on that one. Have you got a particular one in mind that you want to do?

I'm right now I'm thinking the wine glass marathon. I've run it twice already. It's in New York and I'm hoping that next fall when I run it, it will be my Boston qualifying time. Oh, wow. Oh, that sounds really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I do need to get some in the diary because I think otherwise you kind of lose a little bit of focus.

I mean, for me, running isn't just about sort of doing races or whatever, but I do feel like it helps you motivate yourself and try and, you know, improve yourself really, rather than just going out for a plod. You know, it's kind of gives you some goal and a reason when you don't feel like, you know, the days where you just,

I've had enough and you think I'm too tired and it's kind of like no you've got to get your training, get your shoes on and get out. It gives you a reason. I 1000% agree with that that's I spaced out my races, so I do kind of a handful throughout the year.

But for the exact same reason that you just said of by having a race on the horizon, that keeps me motivated, especially on the days where maybe I don't want to, but it's like, well, I'm and, and having a goal too. Like I've been, I feel like I always try for a personal best. Most runners do. And so by having that, like, okay, what can I do this year? It's motivating you to keep improving and working towards something. And I feel like that just life and that helps to give your life a little more

more like meaning and the fact that you're kind of pursuing something new and, uh, yeah, like, yes, you get the physical and mental benefits of running, but that also the fulfillment of pursuing a goal and achieving it and putting that time in as something really special. And so, yeah, I love everything. Definitely. It's, it's just that little bit of kick that sometimes you need when, um,

either you maybe maybe it's not even that you don't feel like getting out it's just maybe you're busy doing something else but it's kind of like no it's time to actually this is me time I'm out I'm done um and do you know what you always feel better for it don't you always

one million times over I've probably said oh definitely can't run tonight I've gone out and I come back and I go oh that was so brilliant I feel so much better now yes yes there's that quote that says you never regret a run or you you only regret the runs you didn't do or yeah that sort of thing right totally totally so although like running is a strong interest of yours are there is there anything else that you're currently obsessed with or loving right now

probably just work to be honest um probably just work uh the business is really really busy um so my day sort of consists of that um I do gym work as well so I love kind of uh converted my garage just a bit I know you did a conversion in your basement um my garage is not as smart as your basement but

any stretch of the imagination um but I've also got um the go swift sort of bike set up as well and I really want to try that I've never been a biker before um or a cyclist before ever um probably because we used to travel around as a kid so uh it wasn't always appropriate but um I'm quite keen to get onto that and try uh and see how I get on with that

So, gym, really. Gym, work, running, my dog. And converting the garden. They're all me times. So, yeah, that's probably about it, really. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, we've had several conversations about you kind of making that home gym space a

And yeah, I think it's exciting too that you have a new fitness endeavor with the bike to explore. That's been a huge trend lately. But it's also beneficial for runners too as a cross training tool, whether you're injured or just another aerobic activity to supplement your running. That's low impact.

Yeah, I think it is the low impact thing that's sort of appealing to me because your knees do sort of, and my shins kind of take or did used to take a hit. They're not so bad anymore, actually. But I think to sort of,

Put something else into your running schedule. Just kind of really, really helps. I know I've got a personal trainer at the moment and she sets some really, really good gym sessions for me. I found it. I was finding it really hard to kind of get motivated and know what to do in the gym because I bought all this equipment and it's just kind of like, oh, my God, I don't know what to do. When you're on your own, I think it's different.

when you go into a gym because you kind of go from machine to machine or you see someone else doing something and you think, oh, yeah, OK, I'll do that. But it's more difficult in your own front room. I know you...

follow a program too so um definitely helps i think to do that um but yeah i i love going in there and um it's space you shut the door and um you just get on with it and again 20 minutes half an hour later and you feel so much better just for that um little workout and it really really benefits the running i've noticed

sort of like some of the exercises that my trainer has set me has really sort of helped my legs sort of like, you know, a little bit of power or more power, I should say, because you think runners have really strong legs. But I think you just build them up in a certain part of your legs and doing that, that really has helped.

Yeah, I agree. And also a great point to just remind runners that the strength training really has a great benefit to your running and it kind of,

gives you the benefit of like, you can kind of keep your mileage a little lower so that you don't get injured while also still making your legs stronger. And so it's like a really good way to balance that commitment. There's the tip of like, the only way to get better at running is to run more, but also having things like a bike to train on or, um, you know, strength training to incorporate that in just to help with, um, your, um,

overall strength of your legs because running is one direction. It's, um, you know, forward movement, but there is a lot of importance to like strengthening your legs and your glutes for lateral movements too. Um,

So yeah, definitely. But it can also be very overwhelming because there's like hundreds of exercises you can do. And it's like, well, I think I know what I'm doing, but like, I don't even know like where to start or so. Yeah. Having either a program to follow or a trainer working with you just to, I know for me, I like having that guidance so that I can,

don't, I mean, I could come up with workouts on my own, but it's like, I don't even want to use that mental capacity. I would rather just like kind of plug and play and, you know, and, and just follow what I'm being told instead of like sitting down and spending time to be like, Hmm, um, what exercises should I do today? I don't know. Um, yeah, exactly. They're the experts as well. So they know the right, you know, sort of

Overall, what is good for your stability and to help with your core, doing yoga as well. I've taken up yoga, which I find has really helped, you know, sort of being able to stretch and and.

actually help your muscles after or before, you know, before I'm terrible at stretching before or after a run, terrible. But the yoga has really, really helped with my mobility. And, you know, suddenly you can do all sorts of things that you probably didn't used to do from the age of 12. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

So suddenly I can, I can always touch my toes, but yeah, you get the point. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. And that's a great reminder of the mobility aspect or yoga. Like those little impact days, I tend to do like stretching or yoga or mobility work the day after my long run. That's when I do like my five day

needs it the most, but it's also very important, you know, just as it's important to have runs, it's important to have those recovery days and the mobility work as part of your schedule too. That's what is going to help you to become a stronger runner and just feel better overall.

Definitely. I mean, the strength just can't be underestimated at all. And yoga, it sounds like, oh, you know, yoga is going to be really easy. They just sit on a mat and it's so hard, so hard. I think I find yoga harder than running, actually. It's so hard. But yeah, just being able to keep still in a plank for a minute, it's just kind of like, man, how is this so hard to do that? You know.

you get it done yeah i agree i actually when i kind of first started my fitness journey like 10 years ago i used to skip over yoga days and i was like this won't get my heart rate up like i'm not going to do this like this is like a waste of my time and then i i did a yoga program and

I not only got really good results in my core, but I realized too, like how much better my hips felt because I had more mobility and that strength work, but you're absolutely right. Like yoga can be a workout with the balancing moves or the way your body gets twisted. And just the, the stretching, like if your body doesn't have a lot of mobility and you're trying to do a yoga move and you

you're probably falling over at first. And so, and, but even the, you know, the balance work is really important with running because you're running on one way. I mean, like it's, it's, you know, you're hopping basically single leg hopping when you're running. And so just to have that strength and balance of your body is, is really beneficial. But yeah, I, I started off as a, a

someone who didn't like yoga and then I realized the value of it and so I wish I would have not been so stubborn and actually incorporated it sooner.

I know, me too. I mean, I used to do gymnastics as a kid, so you'd think that I really loved it, but I was just like, oh, God, I don't want to do this. It looks like, you know, it looks pathetic. It's not pathetic at all. It's absolutely the opposite. It's really helped my ankles too because I do a lot of trail running. It's really strengthened my ankles up. So all the different trains really, really help with that. Mm-hmm.

that definitely I can't recommend it enough I should do more myself but um you know I'm always you know do as I say not as I do yeah well and there's only so much time in our days too that we're trying to balance everything and yeah um so yeah just you know being conscious of it and trying to do it you know at least once or twice a week is a really great start

So my last question for you is something that I ask all my guests, which is what does chasing life mean to you? I thought about this really, really hard, actually. But I think to me, it means making the most out of life. And that's not just sort of some

you know personally with sort of your work goals or your you know everyday goals this is kind of like long long term um so being fit enough to make the most out of life um my dad um is

It's the biggest inspiration to me ever. And one thing that he's always, always tried to do is be fit and make sure that he puts 100% effort into anything he does.

And he's still trying to do that now, even though he's been poorly for a little while now. And he still tries 100 percent effort into everything. And I think that's what chasing life is for me, is making sure that you get out, you have a good life.

head on your shoulders that's clear and motivated and that you're doing good things for your body to keep you strong enough to get the absolute most out of life it is literally getting out of the door and chasing it that is actually what you're doing and yeah I just I love it really that

That's kind of it in a nutshell, really. It's just making the most out of it, making sure that your head is okay and that your body's okay. And running for me does that. Clears your head and you keep fit doing it. Yeah, I love that answer. It's been so interesting to hear everyone's different view on that. So thank you for sharing yours.

No worries. Well, I think that just about wraps up our episode for today. Thank you for sharing tips on running with dogs, your running story and, you know, what you're currently pursuing and obsessed with. So I really enjoyed our conversation. Thanks for joining me.

Yeah, it was so good to finally meet you. I love watching you on Insta. You're really inspiring too. So I love the running community on Insta. It's absolutely brilliant. It's the only social media I really do now. So it's great to see what everyone's doing and what they've done on the weekend, what they're doing during the week. And yeah, it's been great meeting you through that medium.

Yeah. Thank you. And likewise, um, and you're right. I love the Instagram running community too, because it's just, you know, it's a positive place that you can go and just, you know, cheer on people as they pursue goals or understand their ups and downs as a runner. And you can't get that on all the other social media platforms. Sometimes it's, you know, tainted with more negative messages or things like that. Um,

And so, yeah, definitely, you know, having my feet filled with other runners motivates me to get out the door and motivates me to want to continue to pursue new goals. And plus it's great to like meet new people from all around the world. Exactly. I was just, that's what I was just about to say. I mean, my God, I'm talking to someone, you know, halfway across the world and you know, it's great to see what you're all doing. It's yeah.

it's quite interesting seeing how everyone's dealt with COVID and, you know, the changes in seasons and, you know, you're running in snow and ice for a time as well. Oh my God, that must be so hard. Yeah. So it's so good. It's so nice. I really, really enjoy, you know, that time I spend sort of getting inspired.

Yeah, yeah. The snow and ice I get lucky I did at least purchase a treadmill so I do try to avoid some of that but yeah, sometimes it can be a challenge for sure. Yeah, I looked to challenge last year. Yeah, last year I got like 40 inches of snow so yeah, like overnight almost. That was quite a challenge.

But yeah, it is. I mean, you make a point, a great point too about, you know, it's like an opportunity to kind of see like other parts of the world. And like I've had people comment on,

And how my backyard is really big because they live in Arizona and their yards are maybe a lot smaller or not green or because they're in the desert and versus like being in upstate New York where we have greeneries and rolling hills and those types of things. So it's just like kind of seeing different.

I guess, living environments, if you will. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's so good. It's so nice to see. And it kind of helps your goals as well, what you want to do. Because I ran in, I came over with my friend to New York a couple of years ago and we ran through the park. And that is one that's up there in my memories. I mean, I'd love to do the New York Marathon. I'm never going to get in that balance.

but it would be so cool even just to do the route would be so cool so maybe one day but yeah it's inspiring seeing everyone around the world do all these different races and you think oh yeah definitely would like to do that or run in that environment or try that or whatever yeah it's really cool yeah yeah I agree

So thank you for your time. And I hope everyone enjoyed our conversation as much as we did. Yeah, I hope so too. Thank you. Thank you.

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