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Emily Wilkins
一位专注于商业、政治和政策交叉领域的获奖记者,现任 CNBC 华盛顿特区分局记者。
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Jim Leventhal
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Jimmy Leventhal
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Joe Terranova
知名华尔街分析师和投资策略师,现任 Virtus Investment Partners 首席市场策略师。
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Josh Brown
金融分析师和评论家,专注于金融市场趋势和经济预测。
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Scott Wapner
主持《Halftime Report》,领导投资委员会讨论市场趋势和投资策略。
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Stephanie Link
首席投资策略师和股票投资组合经理,曾任职于Nuveen和TheStreet,现任高塔威尔财富管理公司首席投资策略师。
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Steve Kovach
CNBC 国际的技术编辑,专注于技术新闻报道
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Joe Terranova: 今天市场呈现出资金从动能股流出,转向落后股的特点。我认为这是季末投资组合调整后的正常现象,现在资金正在寻找被低估的机会。罗素指数表现良好,可能反映了市场对这种轮动的预期。不过,如果低质量、高贝塔系数的股票开始上涨,市场可能会变得更加有趣。 Stephanie Link: 我认为最终一切都归结为盈利。如果GDP增长在2%到2.5%之间,那么盈利也应该不错。金融业是我目前最喜欢的行业,因为它最便宜,而且人们没有充分认识到放松管制带来的好处。如果金融和可选消费板块开始发力,肯定有助于整体市场平均水平。就业数据良好,工资略有下降,通货膨胀较低,这使得持有可选消费股变得很有吸引力。 Jim Leventhal: 我认为10年期国债收益率在4.27%的水平是可以接受的,这表明经济增长良好,但没有出现恶性通货膨胀或赤字失控。我希望美元开始反弹,并且我们需要完成贸易协议。我正在重新考虑通用汽车,因为市场可能正在消化贸易规则的影响,并且该公司的盈利可能被低估,应该获得更高的估值倍数。 Josh Brown: 我认为国际股票投资正在推动投资者投资组合的增长。我的退休账户表现是标准普尔的两倍,因为40%的资金配置在国际股票上。国际股票的表现优于美国股票,这对投资者心理非常重要。国际股票的盈利增长和美元疲软对投资者心理有积极影响。

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The Halftime Report podcast discusses the current market trends, noting a shift from momentum stocks to laggards. The Dow is up by about 1%, but the Nasdaq shows some giveback. This is characterized by selling in high-flying names and a potential reversion to some underperforming stocks.
  • Shift from momentum stocks to laggards
  • Dow up 1%, Nasdaq shows some giveback
  • Selling in high-flying names
  • Potential reversion to underperforming stocks

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All right. Welcome to the Halftime Report. I'm Scott Wapner. Front and center this hour. Stocks in the second half as the strongest month of the year gets underway. Now we're trading it with the investment committee. Joining me for the hour today, Josh Brown, Joe Terranova, Stephanie Link, Jim Leventhal. We will go to the markets here, give you a look at where we stand at 12 noon in the East. But mixed today, you do have the Dow jumping by about 1 percent. We're a little bit of give back on the Nasdaq, too. And, Joe, I think that's a really interesting point.

characteristic of this market today as the second half gets underway. A bit of an unwind from some of the momentum names that have run a lot. A lot of the big winners like the Netflix's of the world are down 4%. Some of the AI power names, which have run a lot, are down. It really seems to be pretty distinct today, the selling in those high-flying names. All right, let me try and explain why that occurs. At the end of the second quarter, there was a very strong push in the direction of

of the leaders classic end of quarter portfolio window dressing first day of july first day of the third quarter now it's all about the laggards i mean steph and i were just like you have names you have best buy you have target up six percent those stocks are both down double digits on the year in health care you have merc which is up about three percent down double digits on the year lululemon

making a comeback today the trade desk making a comeback today financials the one bank that hasn't worked all year usb that's higher today and jimmy's really excited about this really you have the russell over one percent he doesn't even know why the s&p and the nasdaq is down you know black johnathan krisky has a pretty good note out today talking about the unwind steph in momentum and how things like discretionary which you know was the worst

sector year to date thus far is going to have a catch up trade. One day makes nothing, obviously. But you have had a run up in so-called lower quality, higher beta names. And if you do have an unwind in that trade and you do have a reversion into some of the laggards, it could get a little interesting in this market. Oh, it'll get very interesting in this market because of broadening out is very, very healthy. Right. And so

So to me, look, at the end of the day, we might have these fits and starts between growth and value, momentum and lack of momentum, but it all boils down to earnings. And if you believe we're growing at two, two and a half percent in GDP, two and a half percent, two and a half, got to go. Hang on two seconds. I want to go down to D.C. I have breaking news. Emily Wilkins is on Capitol Hill with the latest on the bill. Emily.

Hey, guys. So we are getting very, very close to that final vote taking place. But at this point, it does seem like the Senate has the votes to pass the Trump mega bill. And of course, that $4 trillion tax package along with it. This comes after there was some adjustments to the text. And in that one, we saw all but three Republican senators vote for it. And then J.D. Vance coming in with the assist, getting that bill over the finish line. So we are still waiting for the final bill to pass. But at

this point, it's looking very likely that that could come definitely within the next hour, much likely way, way sooner than that. All right. We'll come back to you as needed and you'll keep us up to date. Of course, then it goes back to the house.

And the president would like it all done by the 4th of July, admits that it's going to be hard to do that. And we will track it. We're showing you the tenure, obviously, because there are concerns we're continuing about the deficit. But that's your picture now. S&P is a fractional loser. I'm sorry for interrupting you, Steph. I want to get that news out. Back to you. Fraudning, obviously, would be good and what a lot of people are waiting for and tired of a top heavy market. Right. So I think overall earnings are going to be good at about 8%.

about 8 to 10 percent. I think that's going to positively surprise for the year. Expectations are for about 5 percent. Top line growth, mid-single digits, margins expanding. In the first quarter, we saw margins expand 61 basis points, but it was mainly the MAG-7 that drove the margin expansion. So can you imagine if we start to see a broadening out, better results? And I think

Of the groups that I like, I mean, I still like tech and industrials, but financials to me are my, it's my favorite sector right now because they're the cheapest. Even at a record high? Total, people are not giving credit for deregulation. And we are seeing it in spades. Yeah, that was Mike Mayo notation yesterday. We had the stress tests on Friday. We're going to get the SLR relaxation. IPO rules are going to get relaxed. And so

and then you get M&A and then you get capital markets and the valuation is still cheap. You asked about discretionary, and by the way, financials and discretionary is about 23% of the S&P 500. So if they get going, that could certainly help the overall broader averages, but discretionary is interesting because

I was starting to worry about the labor market. I was starting to worry about the weekly jobless claims. And today we got a JOLTS number that was better than expected, quit rates that were better than expected. Initial claims last week were a little bit better than expected. So jobs, wages, a little lower inflation. You can make an easy case to own discretionary. That is absolutely lagged. Josh, I'm going to go to you. July is the best month over the last 20 years.

The S&P has been positive for the last 10. The setup looks pretty good as BCA upgrades stocks today. Now, they're only at neutral, in fairness. They downgrade cash to underweight. And you do, according to Bank of America, have the biggest net selling of equities in some 10 weeks. What do you make of all that?

Look, I think there were three things that kept people cautious this March and April, myself included. Just people saying, all right, this doesn't feel like it's going to be as good a year as 2024. Those things were softening of the economic data, which has partly reversed, partly not, but certainly the wheels have not fallen off. That was one. Two, the Rose Garden moment, which was absurd and was reversed as well.

And then three, this concern about what earnings would look like with any kind of tariffs interfering with the cost of doing business. And we have largely been able to put those items behind us. We don't have...

um uh an economy that's grinding uh lower or slowing down by any means it's not as fast as it was let's say in 23 but it's not as slow as we thought it might be hey josh forgive me i'm i'm gonna take it from you again i'm gonna take the ball from you i'll give it back in a moment i just want to get back to emily on the hill i guess it's now official yeah

Scott, yes, it is now official. The senators, they've been here for more than 24 hours, so they voted very quickly. But, yes, as we said, 51 to 50 with J.D. Vance breaking that tie. Now the Trump megabill has passed in the Senate. It now, of course, heads to the House. We have heard from a number of lawmakers there, fiscal hawks, even some more moderate members who have had concerns about

the bill. But Mike Johnson is determined to try and get this done, getting a vote on this as soon as tomorrow. And that would get it to the president's desk by July 4th. Now, will that happen? That remains to be seen. It remains to be seen if lawmakers dig in. Their heels are not on some of their concerns, but certainly a lot of momentum with the Senate passage today and a lot of what

The other thing, of course, is that they've made a lot of last-minute changes to the bill. It sounds like that excise tax on solar and wind might be out. And, of course, we're reviewing additional changes to get a better sense of what the Senate just passed. Guys? All right, Emily. Thank you. Emily Wilkins down in the halls of Congress for us following all of that. It's interesting to see the move in the bond market. And I'm just wondering, Josh, I'm just going to make you pivot for a moment to react to all

all of this as it's developing. Can we put that back up please of the 10 year or whatever you had up there, please? There it is. Whether you think the bond vigilantes are gonna have the last word here or at least wanna have a little bit of yell before things calm down in the treasury market.

That could be. And perhaps that's a headwind that we need to think about. And perhaps there will be a day or two where a spike in the 10-year gets the attention of the stock market and there's a little bit of puke as a result. But I really don't think that that's the main thing. I think the much more powerful trend that's happening right now is the weakness in the dollar. And one of the points I wanted to get to before we went back to Washington is that

one of the things powering investor portfolios forward this year is international stock exposure. I haven't been able to say this in a while. I looked at my own 401k yesterday and I had to refresh the page because I thought there was an error.

I'm doing double the performance of the S&P in my retirement account, and the reason why is 40% allocation to international stocks. You're talking about a gigantic asset class that's been a drag year after year after year. We're coming off one of the most incredible spades of performance for international stocks, almost every region.

And this is really important for investor psychology. They no longer are just looking at the SPX and saying, "All right, a lot of my portfolio's doing well." They're making money all over the place. Through Friday, international stocks were outperforming U.S. stocks by 12.6 percentage points.

That's the widest gap in 24 years. 2001 was the last time we saw anything like that. When you look at the effect of the dollar, which I think, again, more important than the bond market at this current moment, if you strip that out, international stocks are still up.

11% year to date. So yes, it's in part a weak US dollar phenomenon, but there is earnings growth all over the place. We talked last week about South Korea. European countries have earnings growth again. It's a miracle. So it's great for investor psychology when they're making money, not just in the US, not just in the NASDAQ or the mega caps, but they're making money throughout their portfolio. And that's the case right now. And I think it's a big positive.

Jimmy, it's going to be worthwhile watching that dollar move lower to start the year, which is the worst open to a year in decades. There's some talk today questioning whether the dollar move has bottomed. Now you have to pay attention to that. The bond market, do you want to...

weigh in on what you think now that this bill has at least passed the Senate. Of course, it's going to go back to the House. Don't expect much of a roadblock there, but you never know until it ends up on the president's desk with his signature on it and Sharpie. Yeah, I mean, there's still a lot of sausage making to be done as the expression goes. To answer your question directly, the 10-year at 427, it's right there.

That's fine. I mean, that's look on a day like today, the markets are soft a little bit, but there's a little bit of divergence, a little bit of broadening out. It gives a chance to sit back and say, what really matters here? I'll tell you, the 10-year Treasury at 427, Scott, makes me feel good, makes me feel I can look right past it. I do want the dollar to start coming back.

And that leads into where my head is as I can sit back a little bit and look at the broader picture. I'm glad we've got the budget bill getting to a conclusion, but we've got to get trade deals done. I don't think any of the four of us have mentioned that yet. We've got to get some trade deals done. And I was looking just before you came to me at one of my favorite stocks. You know, it broke my heart to sell General Motors. I had to sell General Motors because of all these trade ramifications. Now I start to think, with the stock up 5% today,

that maybe what the market is sussing out is that when we get the rules of the road done in terms of where people are supposed to set up factories, that a company like General Motors can adjust to that and shouldn't be trading at five times earnings. That maybe those earnings themselves are depressed and going to be higher than expected.

and should get a higher multiple. I need to take another look at General Motors, but my point being is that a lot of good things can come together. I don't like where the dollar is, just to answer your question directly. I do like where the 10-year Treasury is. I like that the House and the Senate now have to come together. Why are you in love with where the 10-year Treasury is?

treasury yield is. Because it's the sweet spot. It shows that the treasury market is saying two things. We've got growth ahead, but it doesn't look like it's going to be hyperinflationary. It doesn't look like the deficit's going to get more out of control. Nobody likes where the deficit is. But the combination of the deficit impact from this budget bill, granted its final form still needs to take shape, that combination with tariffs looks like it's going to be neutral. That's what the CBO said a couple of weeks ago. It's also suggestive that the Fed is

behind the curve. And no rush to do anything, as Chair Powell reiterated today in Portugal. What's interesting, too, Goldman raises their 2025 Fed rate cut forecast to three from one, September, October and December. And it's because the tariff effects have been smaller than we expected. That's what they say. Those are their exact words. Whether it remains so or

We'll see. But Jay Powell's already said, if not for the tariffs, he'd already be cutting rates. So, you know, he's got his finger on the switch, so to speak. And that was the bright spot from his speech last week. And he reiterated it today, too. So we now just have to wait and see, just like he's waiting and seeing. I think they're behind, Scott. I think they should be doing it. But that's not my call. That's their call. So the point being is, after his comments last week, I thought,

July was absolutely off the table, but September also likely off the table. And I actually think September is a real possibility now. I don't know if we're going to get three, but by the way, I don't think

I don't think we need three. I think they should be doing it, but I think this economy has been resilient. I mean, two, two and a half percent in GDP and inflation, it's coming down. Well, you do get the so-called, you know, the deadline if you believe that it's a real line on the tariffs before the next Fed meeting as well. Hopefully. So let's see how it plays out and whether, you know, even as far-fetched as it might seem to some, if

if July ends up being live in any way. I think September 18th is when we'll get the first cut. I like that he gave us some form of guidance last week as it relates to his thought process with inflation. He said, OK, the inflation is going to show up in June and July.

I don't think it's going to show up in June and July, actually. And I think that's going to be the reason why they are going to be cutting rates in September on September 18th. I thought auto sales were interesting. Auto sales representing the clear premise that there was a pull forward in demand.

And that obviously has dissipated. And I think the same type of effect will be seen throughout the summer. That's why I'm not expecting an inflation spike. Notable to Josh today, despite a little bit of give back in the Nasdaq, as we said, it's underperforming, which you haven't been able to say all that often lately. UBS says tech stocks have more to go despite all time highs.

Dan Ives says you get another 10 plus percent in the second half with the tailwinds of AI. NVIDIA on the doorstep or certainly walking up the sidewalk to the doorstep of four trillion in market cap. Meta hit a record high this week. Microsoft's 14 all time intraday highs in the month of June. That's the most ever in a single in a single calendar month.

Yeah, look, there's no question that technology has dominated the leaderboard this year. You look at the top 20 year-to-date performers through the first half, six of them are tech, but then when you look at like another five of them, you could kind of say are tech.

right? Like there are consumer discretionary names that are basically tech companies or you got companies like Uber that's considered an industrial, but it's an app-based business. So tech is all over the place. 84% of S&P 500 technology names are above their 50-day, 68% are above their 200-day. So more than two-thirds of the index in a long-term bull market, almost all of

uh these names are in a short-term bull market and then when you look at rsi um you you really have a situation where 52 of tech names are at an rsi 60 or greater which is confirming these uptrends which means the accumulation is coming along with these higher prices people are buying them up

The lowest RSI in S&P tech is PAYC. I never even heard of it. Is that Paylocity? That's at a 42. Most of these names are viable. And when you think about the drivers as to why, it's earnings. These companies are growing their earnings at a faster rate in general than the companies in most of the other S&P 500 sectors. It's not happening in a vacuum. It's not like investors are waking up every day and saying, oh,

let me just bid for the same group of stocks for no reason. They're buying companies that are coming in with better than expected numbers and raising the bar. And until that stops, like until we get to an earnings quarter where all of a sudden you've got a lot of companies disappointing, it can and will continue.

The wild card in all of this is Apple, which had a bad first half by anybody's scoring. Down 18% year to date, only eclipsed by Tesla, which was down 21% in terms of large cap Mag 7 stocks. Now there is a report that Apple is weighing using Anthropic or OpenAI to power Siri, which would be a major strategy shift. Steve Kovach is our tech, oh, he's not ready. We'll get to him in a minute.

Because we're going to go to him on that story, which feels a little bit like as some I've read, you know, this is Apple throwing in the towel on trying to do it organically. If you can't beat him now, he is ready. Kovacs with us now. Steve, you there? I'm here. So you read it that way, throwing in the towel. If you can't beat him, join him. I mean, what's the deal here? Because it is a strategy shift, no doubt.

Yeah, you can say it's throwing in the towel, Scott, but I choose to be the optimist here and look at it. This is the way for them to not fail to deliver on their promise and deliver it on time. So if they can't get their own personal system up to snuff in time for the 2026 delayed launch, well, here they go. They have this nice little backup with Anthropic or OpenAI technology that has been proven to work to run on that layer. And by the way, Scott, this is a cheaper way to do it. Think about

co-pilot over at microsoft or perplexity what they do they build their own services on top of these uh ai models from anthropic and open ai in fact mustafa sulamanda ceo of ai over at microsoft he told me a couple months ago that's why they're taking this approach of using other people's technology and incorporating it into their own apps and services because it saves them money

don't have to spend ginormous amounts of money on Nvidia chips. You don't have to go out there like Mark Zuckerberg and spend $14 billion investing in a startup to snap their CEO away. They can do it much cheaper than that by partnering or licensing the technology. And at the same time, they're buying themselves just a little bit more runway to do it themselves over time.

I mean, the fact that you started out by saying, "I want to be the optimist," let's be honest, okay? And that's why you're laughing, because you know exactly what I'm going to say. You've been anything but.

Does this turn around in some respects the way that you will now view what might lie ahead for this company as it relates to their AI ambitions? Yeah, and I think that's where we're seeing the optimism in the stock. I mean, it's up another percent today on top of 2% yesterday because they'll be able to ship this at

at least closer to on time than they were before because they're going to use their own technology. Yes, it's an admission they couldn't build it themselves, but we kind of knew that already, Scott. They told us they were going to be able to build it, didn't deliver, did not execute on it, and now they're going to turn to technology that actually works and incorporate that. That is good news for Apple getting its Apple intelligence system out there and delivering on that process.

promise of what they call the more personal Siri, this idea that it can incorporate into all the stuff stored on your phone, including your third party apps. If they're using an anthropic model, for example, running on Apple's private cloud, by the way, Scott, this wouldn't be running on Google or Amazon's cloud like Anthropic currently does. They're going to be running in that private cloud as well. So you get that privacy layer on top of it. You get technology that's proven to work unlike Apple's. That seems like a winning formula to me.

All right, hang with me for a minute because I'm going to pivot you to something else in a second, but I want to talk to the crew.

Better late than never. - Clarity. - Is that how you, you, Clarity? - Clarity. - Clarity. - Clarity. - Vision, clarity. That's what they needed to deliver. They needed to deliver a plan. - I mean, this isn't like a, this isn't in stone. This is just a report. - Okay. But it's also at least an understanding of what they're going to do if they cannot curate on their own some form of an AI strategy. There's an understanding that potentially they could step out

and do something beyond that. And that's what we've wanted. I think that's what we've wanted all along. I think that stabilizes the stock clearly. I own the stock through the ETF, but if I didn't own the stock, I would buy it. Does this, Josh, jumpstart this thing now for the second half? Because it needs a comeback.

I don't think so. I read the Apple bloggers. They're disgusted. This is not a positive development. Maybe it's making lemonade out of lemons, but the idea that the largest, most well-capitalized, most innovative technology company on planet Earth is missing this moment and doesn't have a way to put their imprimatur on a GPT, general purpose technology, mega wave technology

Like, what else? What are you doing? Like smaller AirPods? So I'm a look, I'm a shareholder. I'm a I'm a long term fan and believer in Apple. I just I don't think this is a positive. I mean, you just as a relief rally. I don't know. You just you just called it the most innovative tech company on planet Earth. I mean, there there are some who would just take issue with that statement in and of itself. Were they?

Well, they can't. Well, no, they can't because the app store is the most valuable. I mean, Weiss would like literally, if you thought Weiss was choking yesterday on live TV, I don't know what he would do today at that statement. And Kovac can even weigh in on that too. Like the only knock, frankly, on this company from the naysayers has been the lack of innovation.

They don't, they're never first with some innovative thing, but they end up being the best. Yeah, and also innovation doesn't always mean first.

Hold on a second. Sorry, I'll get back to you. My bad. Kovac? Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I take it a different way than Josh does. I mean, looking at they're going to be actually able to ship this. And I go back to, again, my example of perplexity and co-pilot, especially perplexity. No one's criticizing perplexity for not building their own AI systems in-house. They license it from Anthropic and from OpenAI.

just like Apple is supposedly gonna do. And no one's knocking down perplexity for that. In fact, everyone's saying Apple should go out there and buy perplexity. So I see it a different way. They're looking at technology that works. Yes, it's an admission they couldn't do it in-house. Maybe one day they actually get there, but they can do it

and do it in a less capital intensive way and do it in a way that can actually shift this thing on time because the last thing that they need to do is have another embarrassing delay like they had this year and have another WWDC that's kind of a lackluster AI event while everyone else is pushing forward there. - Josh.

- I agree with 100% of what Kovac just said, but that wasn't the question. So the question was, is that the thing that kickstarts this? - Yeah. - No, it's not. It's a good solution for the problem that they have. And I think Steve's right. This is way better than another false start with their own thing that ends up being a bust. That's why I said it's like making lemonades out of lemons, but it's still lemons.

And no, I don't mean this is the thing that takes Apple to a new high. So better luck next time. Maybe they'll get the robot thing right because they missed this. They are not a significant, meaningful player in the LLM ecosystem. They may someday become one through partnerships, but that has not historically been what Apple has done. What Apple has done is they've looked around

and they said, "Okay, this guy started this, this company started that, here's literally the best version." Do they have the best version of AI-enabled chat? Do they have the best chatbot? No. I don't even think they have the fifth best. So that's the answer to your question. No.

All right. I'm going to leave that there. Steve, I'm going to let you go. Thank you very much. Steve Kovach, with good insight there. Do you want to weigh in? You don't even own it. No, I do own it. Oh, you own it. That's right, you do own it. I added to it during the April deluge. It's, I mean, up 10%, but that's nothing compared to the markets. We know it's underperformed, and what I would say to this...

Look, I think Josh is right. We know that these guys innovate after the fact. And we'll call it innovation. They're good at copying. The problem that I have with the stock, and I do, and I'm thinking about trimming it at the very least, is it's just too darn expensive. You're thinking of trimming it? Yeah. They just had a bet. Why are you trimming it now? If you'll give me a second. Because it's too darn expensive. That's pure Labenthal fashion. What are you doing? It's too darn expensive.

It's darn expensive. It is. It's just too darn expensive for the growth rate in front of it. Now, I'm not going to sell the whole thing. And the reason I'm not going to sell the whole thing is because it can stay darn expensive. You're going to sell the stock 20% down.

Wait a second, you missed the part where I said I just added to it in April, it's up 10% from there. So I would take that trading lot off of the table. But even if it were down 20%, by the way, I've held this thing for years, so in terms of being down, we're looking at the wrong time perspective here. But my point overall is that is this going to be the market leader going forward in terms of share price? Forget what they do with any of the GPTs, just forget that. Is this going to be the market leader at 29 times earnings?

I just don't think so for the growth rate. Will it will the shares grow? Yes, they will. Why? Because they're in every passive index in large size and they buy back shares like crazy. So I'm not going to eliminate the position. But in terms of waking up in the morning and being excited about it, I'm not. OK, we'll take a break. We have a move from Steph to get to. We have an update to Josh's best stocks in the market group. He's on the verge of a breakout. We'll tell you what it is coming up.

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Let's do that move from Stephanie Link. You bought more D.R. Horton. That's an interesting move. I mean, the home, the construction ETF, the ITB, is having its best day since May the 12th, but housing...

Piper Sandler says the recovery is at least two years away. I mean, it's been horrible to own this stock or anything housing related. Why are you buying more? Because it's cheap at 11 times forward estimates. I think the guidance that they gave with regards to margins and deliveries has been not kitchen sinked, but it has come down to reasonable levels. I am intrigued with the interest rate move. We talked about the yields earlier today. They're at six week lows. The 30 year fix is still high at 6.8 percent.

for a mortgage that has to come down but i do think you will see that actually start to come down and maybe just maybe we do get a rate cut in the fall these stocks are going to fly with one rate cut yep because it'll be directional absolutely especially with them down as much as they are and as and the valuations are really really cheap that's the interesting play right with the way rates are moving

The market's not stupid. It knows that what you think, that rate cuts are probably coming in the fall. Yeah. Yet maybe rates have a different story to tell. I think you just have to be patient on this one. But I really do like them. The execution has been really very, very good. The best in the industry. The only better one is Toll Brothers. They're both really great. But I don't need to own two. All right. Best stocks in the market, Josh. A new addition. It is HLT. It is Hilton. Why? Yeah. So this is...

a potential breakout. It's not quite in progress, but it's getting very close. And I thought I'd spotlight this. Basically, we saw a golden cross happen as the stock climbed out of its liberation day lows. Hilton was in a 24% drawdown. Now it's back to within 4% of 52 week highs. Got that 50 day crossing back over the 200 day. Look, this sector itself, leisure, lodging, travel service industries in the S&P, every single name,

with one exception, is above its 50-day. The sector is just absolutely on fire. We talked about the cruise lines the other day. And Hilton should follow through here. The last earnings report was very strong, 6% adjusted EBITDA growth, $300 million in net income, a 7% pipeline increase, and $927 million returned

to shareholders during the course of the quarter. Full year guidance looked great, and that's why the stock's working. So I think the 270s is where traders wanna watch for that trigger. If it can get through the 270s on convincing volume, I think it's a pretty good setup.

and I would effectively use the 200-day moving average as my risk management. It's like low 240s, let's say 242, 243. And each week, I would basically move that stop loss up so long as the uptrend continues.

Do you have a thought here, Joe? Looks good. I agree with Josh on Hilton. I think Marriott has a very similar chart. Both balance sheets are in good shape. In the past, the ETF has owned Marriott. I don't believe we've ever owned Hilton. But if the momentum continues, certainly they qualified as candidates to be included. All right. We'll follow that stock. Thank you. Let's get the headlines now with Kate Rogers. Hi, Kate.

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We're back farmer Jim had a jump in his step today when he saw shares of wind which were up contested Brewer had to make an appearance here with that news had to tell us exactly why Jim had a jump in his step today. Why wouldn't you I mean we've been waiting for the results out of Macau because you haven't really but anyway, please continue. Look here's the deal we are now seeing back to back month over month.

Gross gaming revenues coming in much higher than expectations. The street was expecting maybe a 2% to 5% improvement over last year. It got 19% improvement, $2.6 billion for the destination for the month of June. Now, what's remarkable about this is that, yes, we're seeing visitation increase, but we're seeing

visitor spend decreased by 13% over last year. So those numbers are what give investors and analysts pause because if you're seeing a big jump in gross gaming revenue that is really fueled by promotional spending, it maybe has less impact than visitors who are coming and spending a lot of money. We'll have to wait till earnings to find out how this breaks down. Is it breaking down with gaming?

or in food and beverage, in entertainment. Concerts. And that's a big one. Right now, they're not even breaking out entertainment as a spend when they analyze the numbers. They're looking at shopping, for instance. Are they

Are they coming and shopping? And the other thing that we're seeing is overnight visitors are not growing as fast as day trippers. So that bridge from Hong Kong to Macau made a huge difference for people coming just in a day. One more thing to point out here. You're looking at shares of Melco up 12%. Its three-month performance has been remarkable up

54% right now. Las Vegas Sands up 9% today. Wynn up 9%. MGM Resorts up almost 8%. But I want to point out, even Caesars today is getting a huge lift. There just seems to be a lot of enthusiasm, bullions potentially around these gaming games. Because all we wanted to see was a little bit of activity. That's right. Because they stopped all the

ALL OF THESE STOCKS HAVE BEEN JUST DEBT FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. WE ALL EXPECTED THAT WHEN THEY OPENED THEIR COUNTRY, THAT FROM COVID, THAT THEY WOULD SEE BETTER TRENDS, AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T. SO THIS IS THE FIRST REAL MEANINGFUL NUMBER. EVEN WHEN THEY SHOWED IN EARNINGS THAT THEY CAN DO -- THEY CAN SHOW ENORMOUS GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR. SINGAPORE IS ON FIRE, BACK TO BEING BY FAR THE BEST

the most lucrative hotel casino resort in the world. And yet Las Vegas Sands is just its shares are not demonstrating any of that.

So obviously today's move is on Macau. We know that. And that has been the driver for these stocks. Steph, you're Las Vegas sand and my win. But what I submit and have been saying for quite some time that it's far more than just Macau. There is very little respect given for the growth that's been going on in Las Vegas, in Boston. Now, granted, there's been some decrease. You know this in the afternoons.

Average room rates and such like that. But it's still very strong. And the thing that in Wynn is really not priced in is the Dubai concession that they won a few years ago and that they're building right now, which should be online in the very beginning of 2027. Now, that's granted 18 months away, but that is not in the stock.

And Dubai is a major growth area. We know that because Disney's going there as well. If you look at it on the map, that's where a lot of people can travel to in a very short notice. And the reason why I own Las Vegas Sands is because 60% of their revenues is actually tied to Macau, 40% to Singapore. So they got nothing else. And so I was just hoping that you would see a recovery in Macau while Singapore actually could drive some of the earnings growth for the company. But

really cheap. This whole sector is very, very cheap. And for the both of you, potentially, the next catalyst could be that the analyst community comes around. They raise the sentiment and accordingly raise price targets. Because if you look at when the 12-month price target's only 104, stock is at 101 right now. In Las Vegas, Santa's 49. The stock is close to 48. Quarter after quarter, they put up good results. Quarter after quarter.

and it's just not believed by the analyst community. Yeah, I can hear it on the conference call questions. It's just not believed it's going to continue. You're absolutely right, Jeff. Might you have to add one of these names on the momentum?

That's a little bit way off because we also look at quality as well. Why do these fall short then? They fall short on the quality metric because of return on equity and debt to equity. I don't know. That sounds like we should leave now. Las Vegas Sands is buying 6% of their share outstanding. Las Vegas Sands is much in a better balance sheet position. They're buying 6% of their share outstanding. So, yeah, they're doing what you just said. That might be on your short list then. Thanks. Better position. All right. We'll let Dustin Brewer up next. And, totally, he's here with his midday word.

Our senior markets commentator, Mike Santoli, is at the desk today. Pretty obvious what's happening within the market today, but what do you make of it?

Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's this mechanical kind of torque in this repositioning of, you know, we did have a big run in the stuff that worked at the end of the quarter. And so you get some reversal of that. And I think it somewhat reflects that if there's something this market has to answer for, it is it's not been the broadest, most inclusive run to the highs. Now, it's not that it's just a few stocks.

But it's been selective and there's like only 50 percent of all stocks are in an uptrend and all the rest of it. So there's an opportunity for the rest to do a little work and catch up. I don't know if it's, you know, the start of something. We never know if it's the start of something. Heavily shorted stuff, laggards, all of it getting picked up. You know, we'll see if it matters. What's interesting, too, is the pop in yields really was after jolts.

So 10 a.m. is when you got that boost. Who knows if that's really a number that we should hang our hat on in terms of the job openings going up. It's not unwelcome, but it sort of complicates how people were leaning because people were leaning or at least bracing for a weak jobs number on Thursday. I don't know if it was because they're reading clues or just, hey, you never know. One of these monthly reports might actually lay an egg. I think the market participants are going to err on the side of almost always that they

what you're just looking at and what you just said, the jolts being better than expected, the yields being up as a sign of a stronger economic growth coming rather than the bond vigilantes going crazy over a tax bill. I agree. It's almost generally, almost always going to be the case, especially when you're starting at four and a quarter and people have been playing the lower yield trade for a little while. So it's really, again, just

forcing traders to move their feet a little bit relative to what they were expecting. So maybe not a big deal, but something to keep in mind as we get toward Thursday. Okay, good stuff. I'll see you on Closing Bell. That's Mike Zantoli. We're back right after this. More trades.

All right, let's talk about more second half forecasts. BTIG has one today. The top stocks, their top picks for the second half, Starbucks, Fiserv, Capital One, Snowflake, Applovin, Expedia. On that list, JOTI has Capital One, Applovin, and Expedia. Of those three names, I like Capital One the best. I like Steph's point as it relates to the

financial sector. I think the financial sector remains strong for the remainder of the year. Obviously with Discover, that conglomerate now is one of the largest competitors, the Visa and MasterCard as well. So I think Capital One is the one name I would look at.

Applovin, little suspect in terms of the way that it has traded recently. Never really, despite the market rallying so significantly, ever able to take out its February highs at Expedia. That's really been underperforming for us, certainly relative to booking holdings. And you think it still will? Yes.

Because, I mean, look, this is emblematic of today's trade. Laggards to leaders. Yes. Yes. And you just think it's a one-day phenomenon? I do. Just positioning. I think Booking Holdings clearly is in a much better position. All right. Snowflake, Steph, we mentioned on the list.

Yeah, I mean, look, it's had a great year. Up 40% year to date. New CEO is executing. They have launched 125 new products, and product revenue growth last quarter was 28%. They guided for 25% with margin expansion and free cash flow accelerating. So the story is happening. This new CEO is delivering, more than delivering. It's had a nice run, though, and it's not cheap. So I certainly would not be chasing it right here. Josh, you sold Starbucks a few months back, but it is on this list.

Do you still have any thoughts? Do you still follow the name? What would get you back into it? I like it. I mean, I was in it on a train, on a technical train. But fundamentally, I like it. I think this stock's been consolidating for the entirety of the post-pandemic period. They've had two major overhangs. One was inflation.

and getting the pricing right. And then the other was China. The inflation thing, I think they can get through a little bit easier. The overhang of China and whether that's still going to be a growth engine or not is still an open question. But they have the right CEO. I think he's going to figure it out. I like the name fundamentally. I'm just not in it right now. Okay. We'll take a break. We'll come back and we'll do finals next.

All right, Adam Parker's going to join me at 3 o'clock today. Gene Munster, too. Apple, Tesla, markets, tech, we'll do it all. And I hope you join me then. Josh Brown, what's your final? Amazon. Mark Mahaney just took his target to 280. I think he's going to be right.

Is that you too? Second day in a row. Amazon, yeah. I'll give you another one. American Express. I agree with Josh on Amazon. American Express. It was not the second day in a row. Yesterday was bad. Yeah, yesterday was bad. Mercado Libre. It was the other day that I had the same one. Sorry to bring it up. Farmer Jim, I spread the pain. Citigroup, 13% more until it gets to tangible book value. Okay. And Steph, must be Chipotle. Chipotle. New products are coming. All right. Good stuff. Thanks, everybody. I'll see you on the belt in the exchanges now.

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