Google’s Antitrust Battle & Martha Stewart’s 100th Book 11/19/24
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Hi, i'm cnbc producer katty cramer. Today on squared, where humans and an A I begins. Google's former CEO archman t has a new book on artificial intelligence and preserving human dignity and technology.

Human evolution will now be determined not by humans, but by human and computer.

And speaking of google, the department of justice is taking aim at big tech for being too big.

I've never agree with the use of ana trust to deal with the large tech companies. I think if, if you want to deal with them, then regular them.

An escalation in the russia ukraine war is a .

win possible by either side. A total no, no.

Plus what do a long summering food sl and apple pie haven't common?

IT turned out to be much Better than I thought.

Martha, to work a new documentary on netflix in old beef and a new recipes. Mars one hundred book .

we're celebrating. One hundred is not like the hundred th in the final.

Oh, nice. No, no. One hundred and first is already done. It's almost the at the pressure.

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this morning's breaking news in the war in ukraine and a bloomberg report citing ukrainian military officials, saying the country's armed forces Carried out their first strike, a border region with russia, with russian territory using us supplied long range missile. This comes as russian present via poot sign of revised doctor now that lowers the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons on saying that any conventional attack on russia by any nation support by a nuclear power will be considered a joint attack on his country. He will continue to monitor the situation to bring ur IOS say he will we will continue to monitor the situation and bring you them as we get .

those updates as world exactly .

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miles injuries. So based on what he said that would theoretically qualify.

I don't think because the change they made, the door is saved around yeah, it's saber rattling, but probably something that reached up. But if I think if you look at this, this is the potential final countdown for the final weeks of of this, of this fighting. If president trump does what he said he was going to do and try .

to resolve this sudden .

europe is on board with. But IT would be nice if this, I don't know what the the real like leaseback. I talks about a terminal, what's other than sometimes negotiated someone or somewhere, and is exchange? What is the terminal? Imagine the other .

defeat of ukraine.

Both sides are ramping this up .

because they need to make sure they have as the best negotiating position they have they could possibly get before any of this happens so that they can say, here's where line begins. We didn't go shape .

from there is a win possible by either side, a total no.

no every.

So then we knew we know that were headed in this way, probably. So I thought I said it's something to do with north korea too.

I did is part of the business administration is allowing this because north korea has sentence soldiers to be fighting on the ukrainian side of things. What the change in the is originally IT was the russian doctor and said that if if you are non nuclear country attacking, they cannot use nuclear weapons on this. But now the doctor is that if you are a not nuclear country that is being supported by a nuclear country, the united states, then that changes the rules of engagement.

And they hold you. And they questions, do they hold you to account? And questions, how do they hold you?

I guess you write two .

hundred points.

It's not even six tenth of a percent because two hundred points is not what I used to be on the door door and you talking about the door, forty, three thousand. However, we did notice an immediate drop in the futures. And when we see things like that, we try and explain why this is .

the bitcoin go, by the way, IT corn is ninety plus. I don't know of .

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you could say that, that is people going into a safety.

It's a good back, but what's happening in this country, president elect trump s transition team and more picks for his incoming administration began cassella Jones is now with murder.

Morning hey, good morning to ujo from west poon beach, where we did get some new news overnight in the cabinet appointment department trump t tapping on duffy the former was contain congressman in current fox business news told to be his transportation secretary that would put in the top of the agencies roughly hundred billion dollars, but but will also put him in charge of overseeing all of the infrastructure money passed in the bide administration that some republicans have talked about recently to help pay for their agenda next year.

So one thing to watch in his agency, if he is confirmed and that does put us well past half way through filling out this cabinet. But of course, the biggest physic still left unfilled is the treasury secretary and all eyes down here on that position and that fight, which is really spilled into public view in recent days and expanded pool of candidates now on the table, all familiar names to you guys, all of us at this point. But the key to watch with this late of treasury secretary picks, and one thing that i'm told has made this decision a little bit harder, is that the present election seems to be wearing two key considerations for this, one that are sometimes in conflict with each other.

He wants to make sure he tap someone that is fully committed to his economic agenda, especially on the tariff spring. But he also wants to choose someone who wall street and the markets will like he doesn't, to disrupt market rally in the positivity that we've seen since he was elected. So that that's something that people to keep in mind when we see someone like Scott best and considered a favorite on a wall street putting in off bad in fox news late last week, really celebrating terrifying as a policy tool, trying to walk back some previous comments he made about implementing nine minute gradual way are being more measured with them, really trying to be a little bit more of a forceful supporter there.

And it's also something that could come up with Kevin wars. The form were fed governor, who, at least for the past decade or so, has written several times about sort of a more measured trade stance, being more of a free trade. And twenty eighteen and trumps first time I wrote the wall street journal about economic isolationism and weakening the dollar or something that president trump has showed he might be favorable to, saying that those would harm the economy and be ill advised.

So that's just something to keep in mind because then on the other end of that spectrum, he can't lean too hard into someone who is particularly hawkish on trade. Someone like Robert light heizer, the times that others are now reporting is out of the running for a treasury secretary because of the way that, because of his straight dance, that would go over with wall street. Ts, so George is something to keep in mind, something the president elect is keeping in mind as he tries to make that decision this week.

So there are uh, in congress that they want someone the present want someone who will be totally on board with what he wants to do, which may or may not please the market. So light house is totally on board with the terrace, but he's very concerned with continuing. He loves a rising stock market. So then you have to exit of what you love A A rising sock market. Are you sure you want across.

The baLance, I would say, later are very likely. I would be very surprised if he doesn't end up in the administration somewhere, just probably not in that treasury position. But remember how things went with treasury sectors?

Stephen mu, in the first term, very stable position. Munson was there all four years. But in the hindsight, trump and light higher er have said that sort of the goldman wing quote on quote of the administration may have slow walk of the trade gender at some point.

So trying to be more baLanced. And I would also say, joe, that I ouldn't be surprised either if new names continue to emerge in this treasury y secretary fight. Everyone i've talked to you says this is up to the president elect alone, as all of these positions are. But IT just means that there's a real lack of clarity at this point that they're sort of calling around and we just don't .

know who is going to be. And it's all of the short term, long term implications. And if you have talked to investors, big investors on wall street, they would love to see someone like a Kevin war who is very concerned about the long term, making sure you manage the the reaction of the treasury markets to our growing borrowing.

Me I don't know whether you know taking the punch ball away qualifies for being really friendly to the markets.

It's orm versus long term. I want to make the short term emporia isn't overwhelmed by long term concerns. And that's A A tRicky a tRicky task.

And maybe there's a way to have a more measured trade stance to best in about about this. In his upbeat, he actually talked about tariff as a strategic tool. And IT was, if you read between the lines, IT looked to me like a way that he was trying to say, yes, let's use terrify. Yes, let's do IT. But let's also not maybe do a universal baseline terf that says in place forever, maybe there is some great area that we can navigate.

which is Better way the same thing that how would let mix IT when he was on set with us sort of he negotiating tall, right? Yes, that is what he said.

Exactly what. Nick may now be more out to picture for other reasons. The reporting is that he's sort of gotten on trust back side by not putting more names in front of infrared asure y in the first place and campaign too hard himself. So maybe it's not as trade to that disqualified that.

Maybe it's more personal reasons negotiating tools for some terrorists that we're next in place in the country's. so.

And reports say that D O J anti trust officials planned to ask a judge to force alphabet google to sell off its chrome browser that's going to multiple reports in. The judge ruled in August that google illegally monopolized the search market coming up when we return former google chairman. And so eric smidt is going to join us right here on the school set. We're coming right back after this. Our goal is to empower you to be a Better.

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py up an enter q wall back to square box. Our next guest is a known leader in the tech industry who's going to be weighing on so many issues, regulation under trump administration and so much more. But he's got a new book out archimedes here, former google chairman and CEO.

His book is out today. IT is called genesis, artificial intelligence, hope and the human spirit. And most interestingly, is worth knowing that you have two co authors, but one of whom is Henry kissinger. And this was one of the last thing he worked on before he passed away.

a start kissing anger's last book. And of course, we miss him every day. All of us who knew him, but he got very, very concerned about the impact of A I on society.

He didn't really understand and A I, but he figured this out. But the biggest issue is the impact on our human dignity. How do we perceive ourselves? Are we human? Are we the dogs to the computers, or the computers to under our control?

I wanted get into all of that. I do want to ask you the whole bunch of questions just about the here and now if you'd indulge me. We were just talking about this report that came out last night about the potential for your former employer, a, to be forced to push chrome outside of google and effectively spin that business off or break IT up. What do you think of that? And what do you think the do you think there is a regular or need to do something in google?

H, A lot of this has to do with the and I trust activities, which were initiated by a president trump in his first term and continued by biden. Um i've never agreed with the use of, and I trust to deal with the large tech companies. I think if, if you want to deal with them, then regulate them. But do IT in a fair way. Do IT in an open way and have .

you applied everybody? So when you look at this, but the impact of taking chrome out of out of google, you think would be what well.

chrome itself doesn't make any money. What they're referring to is the fact that the use of crime means much higher growth margins than shared browsers, right. Uh, but again, to me, those are business decisions. I just don't agree with the government's attitude in this area.

Do you think that the the whole anti trust game is going to change under trump? As IT relates to google, as IT relates to apple, there was report out recently that they may not not go after apple any morning. And you think there's a whole news to see change here.

What linkin, who is that the executive here in the government, will clearly be leaving. And SHE pushed whole bunch of new theories of how on a trust would work. Uh, we will see if they're proven IT over time.

The important thing from my perspective is um these antitrust efforts don't work if you want to regulate, regulate, do IT in a precise way, do IT in such a way that do you understand your outcomes? Don't play other games. Now these companies, by the way, as their defender, are under enormous pressure from their employees, from lawsuits and so forth. This is just another regulatory pressure on.

but the department of justice began this under the first trumpet administer. This is not something that out there. And there been other companies from microsoft and others who i've got broken up over the years I made.

well, a microsoft was not broken up.

IT had to IT had to deal with IT wasn't broken up. Who had had deal with the separation of and dealing with all the terms the government placed .

on IT and what happened that set microsoft back about ten years.

Bill gates is blamed IT for me.

But but from my expect, from my perspective, breaking up these companies is not going to fundamental address the annoying that you have with them. They're vertically integrated. But the fact the matter is I worked a lot with european union trying to slow down the regulation in every move they suggested.

Google ultimately found other ways of being successful in business. And so it's much more subtle. The companies are vertically integrated in a way where they're actually trying to deliver an integrated experience by taking something i'll give you example of apple.

There was a proposal is to take the APP store away from apple, while the APP store is an interval experience for the user, so it's a degradation of the user experience. Now for what right? You really think that people want of them download their own APP store and deal with the problems of security and sofa. There have to be other solution.

Let me let me bring this back to AI and maybe then connected back to the book. But here's here's a question about the search business of a very long time of google search was the business still is ninety percent, and he does have a ninety percent market chair for that business.

If you define search as the sort of blue link economy, the question right now is all the sudden we're talking about A I and we're talking we had the sea of complexity on just yesterday. You know I am going to be seeing sam altman on in a couple of weeks at OpenAI. Um amazon is trying to build its own system, everybody, he's trying to do something. And so the question is, do you define the marketplace for search as the blue link economy and what you put into your search bar today as that is the size of the market or is the size of the search market of very different market? Because people are either using these other AI services that become search or even when you go to search on an amazon or you search on instagram or whatever, that you should think about that as a search product.

Usually when people are talking about the search issues, what they're really talking is the ads business, not the searches themselves on the searches. The searches will go from blue links and the queries and so forth to answering the question right, which is always in the goal of google and google competitors.

I just don't see that regulating the link placement and the other things, which is what regulators try to do, will essentially solve the problem. These products will get turned over to give you much Better coaching, much Better ideas to be much Better integrated. There will be issues around who is dominant there.

But remember, for the last year, there was a greater of criticism of google that they were late in to this. Now google has come back, which I one point five, which is really, really good, right? That's evidence of competition, which is a key component.

And and I you think you will change meaning, do you think five years now there will be a ninety percent market chair in in search where you think that other people will emerge?

Well, my my own view is that search will change and that the term search, you'll be searching, you'll be existing, right? We talk in the in the book a lot about how human evolution will now be determined, not by human, but by human and computer and humans that we know are very different. They have different preference the way they consume information. So my own view is that you'll have lots of interesting choices at this next layer, but that they are well above the blue economy that you talk about.

Getting back to the book in this idea of dignity, our own dignity and us all being human and and having a purpose, how concerned to you that we won't have a purpose, and that if you have a machine that you think is smarter than you, that because, and by the way, I think the machine is smarter than I am today.

to be perfectly blunt about, I don't think so .

in many ways, it's smarter than that. I don't think you can think as well about certain things, has a lot more analyze the library.

but doing.

what do you think about that five, ten years? now?

Speak for yourself.

Humans are not going away. There's a long pattern of business sufficiency, taking the degree y, the bad jobs, the unpleasant jobs, the dangerous jobs, and eliminating and allow humans to do what we prefer to do. We should be creative and use our human judgment.

IT will take a long time for those human functions to go away, if ever. The important thing about what's happening is the business efficiency that you're seeing from my eye is replacing low level, tedious jobs. We have an issue that those people will need a new place to work because human dignity involved.

you think, will need to make strides in neurology to to ever get to that point for machines? Or do you think just raw size of the data that is a similar machine is similar to events, a result sentence, because we are nowhere near understanding how you see Green or feel love or the spirit of humans, we have no idea how how that happens. No oney.

Well, we can build computers that can appear to have consciousness, but they don't really have IT. And the reason we know that.

do we need to understand the brain before we .

get to that point, we will. And I think we certainly not going to do IT in our lifetime talking .

about in our lifetime. There is now a question in the A I community that seems to have bubbled up in last month or so about whether the industry is hitting a court wall in terms just how fast the scaling capabilities are of ai. Same, altman put out a tweet saying there is no wall. Others have said there is a wall, or at least to slow down of some sort. What do you think .

is really happening? So he's been a slope like this, which is, they're called scaling laws, which means more hardware, more data. You get these emergent behaviors, get these incredible abilities, which you can see today from the various 点 competitors。 Gm, I OpenAI claw a few others.

They're really impressive. There is some evidence in the last month or two that is getting harder and harder to get to the next chance. My own view is that those are just adjustments in the path that, for example, is harder to find new data.

A lot of the data has been arched. On the other hand, you have huge groups to developing new algorithms. Th Epace i s n ot s lowing, but the nature of th Epace m ay c hange a s a r esult.

And then the other question of guys, this is an enterprise question, probably for a lot of our our audience, a lot of folks have taken on and and use microsoft copilot now. And there have been a whole bunch of stories recently of and mark benny office is actually sort of used IT to his benefit to say, you know what, all the stuff not totally ready for prime time yet that employees say they like IT the to some degree, but then they often complain that they don't feel like they're getting the value out of IT yet, that it's more of A A party trick. Then IT is something that's actually helping them in their day to day.

What do you think about that? So there's evidence that a programmer, roughly half their code is written by the programmer and half of IT is written by AI. Now if you asked the programmer we being human, right? The programme r will say, well, I wrote all of that in the computer helped if you asked the computer, with the computer say, will he helped me? But I really wrote IT, we don't really know. The important point is this is the collaboration between the two. I would argue if that's an improvement, inefficiency and productivity.

which is a good thing. So will there be a quantum or or gradual in advance? IT looks so .

far exponential, which from your perspective means sort of gradually like a slope. There are people who believe I call this the vertical school because they are all in vera school at the moment, where the slope will actually accelerate. That is the quantum change that you're describing. When we invent scientists that are themselves, ais are not human. And there's a belief that, that will occur within the next three to five years.

And I think we do that. We can look at ourselves. We need to create something.

can look at a lot of these things are math. And Frankly, computers are going to get really, really good math with these new tools. So imagine, instead of him, a thousand and eyes scientists, you have one hundred thousand. Sorry, human scientists have one hundred thousand A I scientists wouldn't be interesting.

That's a belief. One one final one, three years, I know we got data leakage. So that's the other big issue that I think a lot of the big enterprises are worried about right now to actually something that number the stories about copilot at the moment, which is that everybody thinks they've silo ed all of their data.

And yeah sure on work day or one of these systems, most people couldn't get to salaries or other information because they didn't know how to get. But if you now have a open A A I or a copilot or or german, you can just type in what you want to see. Sometimes it's now on earths and finding things internally inside the enterprise that employees are not supposed to see or that is so scheduled for a certain group of people. But other how hard is IT gna be long term for businesses to actually get their data silos in the right way? Those are just .

examples of bad engineering when google showed up. But when we had enterprise search, we have the same concerns. Just fix IT, right? These are poorly design systems. And one of the things about A I is that they can rearrange your system, they can tell you where the vulnerabilities are. If you one of those something to worry about, worry about these models being stolen, that's what I worry about, that somebody evil or malicious will take .

them and use them for what about like the ones that are open source? I mean, that's that anyway.

still that well still for selling. They are designed to be delivered, but they're also been checked by the deliver before they made open in.

The book is called genesis, artificial intelligence, hope and human spirit here. It's great to see that this morning. Thank you.

Still to come on spot the twenty years long spat that now involves two journalists charly xc x in marth start saturday night live in a netflix documentary, collide on squad box, with mark steward herself setting the record straight.

I mentioned that she's did, and I was happy that he was did, but I wasn't talking about angry a pleasure. By the way.

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Welcome back to school pod. I'm producer Katie cramer. If you bit on netflix recently, you might have noticed the documentary Martha about the rise, fall and rise again of the icon Martha Stuart. It's on so many people's cues, in fact, that I got to mention on saturday night live last weekend, well, some of the behind the scenes dramatic stick with me here. There are a couple of pop culture references to cover.

In the documentary, Martha fires at a journalist unnamed for coverage of stewards two thousand four front trial and Martha says, said journalist is dead and mark herself not sad about IT so new york post colonist Andrea pitzer, who did cover the trial twenty years ago, posted on x after watching the documentary i'm alive, SHE added an executive that I won't, but you can look that out. Well, that was bad, according to charly xc x, whose album celebrating sainz got the word bra trending over the summer. The feed between the domestic diva and the journalist made IT to charlies monologue on saturday night live aid by parent company .

in VC when the exact journalist responded and said, hey.

i'm alive.

That is extreme labor.

Brat or not, Martha Stewart also has published her one hundred book, one hundred a cook book. Of course, here's our Andrew ross sark. And kicking off a conversation with marthe's art.

Martha is great to see you, and congratulations, one hundred books you are. Well.

have you catch up to danger still? She's done two hundred.

How different do you think that is when you think about when you wrote the first one? And today, just given the age of social media, even that the role of books in world today, how different really is IT.

It's a very different world. You can access recipe online so easily nowadays um it's just an incredibly different uh， different thing. But books still i'd like books.

I think so many people in the kitchen like cook books. They like to hold the book. They like to open them on the counter.

Uh, and this book is a very usable, workable book, and people are responding very favorably. We were in a Charles over the weekend, and twelve hundred people came to guy art hall and held up their books IT. IT was quite amazing and quite a nice to see that kind of interest in the printed word.

but we should we're agreeing this is not the last book. I know we're celebrating one hundred, but is not like the hundred th and the final gosh.

no, no, the hundred and first is already done. It's almost at the printer and that is a gardening cambodge, which is beautiful. And then i'm already working on my autobiography and i'm working on look about my houses and a book about gardening, visual gardening, uh, organically and many, many, many more. I hope I like to write. This is a nice thing to do.

Well, tell about your autobiography. Let let's talk about the the film version of that because a lot of us have been watching you on netflix. And i'm so curious what you actually think about this documentary of. I've read some of the things you've said, but I know that an opportunity actually talked to about IT. And I watching myself what your true take away.

what what you think I like that .

I know that you don't like certain parts of IT and I get that. I totally get that. But I thought in the end that I felt like I walked away loving you even more, to be honest with you. So I didn't think even the parts that you probably I I can feel the speed bumps for you. I knew, I knew where you were probably like, I don't love that but you .

know it's turned out to be much Better than I um IT was A A slightly painful process to open up as I did in uh to R J color um and he was um and it's the time of life to do that though I mean, it's about time I I spoke out a little bit uh, about my personal life, but the response of specially of Young people, Young women love IT. They love IT.

I think it's giving them some strengths, is giving them some energy, is giving them a way to think about their future. And that makes me very happy. Uh, they're still more to tell. And that's the documentary and possibly a month of two documentary that would be fun to do and and I am very excited that my life is taking this turn where um people are actually responding uh to a woman story, right?

How much you think your opinion has changed because of their reactions? So I think one of them is so interesting often times is people read a book about themselves to watch a film about themselves by themselves before it's out of the public. And they feel every speed bump.

They think it's terrible. Invariably you think it's terrible. And then IT gets out of the wild and you get calls from sets of people saying, Martha s and that great. And then, right.

well, my friend joel silver, the movie director he and producer, he called me screaming, how did I let that happen? Is the most horrible thing ever. So, and I love that about him.

He is so outspoken. And then somebody else, ryan Murphy, called, he said, he loved IT. So everybody has an opinion, and I love that they have opinions about IT. And I listen, I listen very carefully. Because next time, mother too, if there ever is one, will be even Better and probably more interesting and more hopeful to the viewer .

than this one. Be a different team that did marthel.

oh, why do you know IT? Okay.

just thinking I .

think I I think so. I like I like different music. I am i'm an editor really a truly and and you never saw a repetition in my magazine, so I wouldn't we use a different photography, different every year for ourself and july, for example. Uh, a reputation of my thing.

Mother, did you see us in all this weekend?

I did. I thought .

I was .

historical. One thing .

for people, really, I can read IT everybody, if they don't know what we're talking about.

you wants to explain. The mother know there was a lovely performer who was trying to explain the the word right B R A T which is um it's it's about it's sort of a social term now to somebody whose real cool and she's first as uncool because I H was happy that um Andrea pizer who is A A journalist a for the new post um I I say in the movie and I don't mention her name right did you you didn't hear her name in the movie.

I mentioned that she's did and I was happy that he was did well I wasn't talking about Andrew applies by the way, and for why, and applies thinks that was her. I have no idea. IT was a little bit sloppy fact checking on the part of of my team on the documentary IT was Constance l. Haze, who was an equally a divisive and very dangerous journalist at the new york times at the time of my trial.

Oh, my good is, know, Martha, I eve to sit across from carney haze, do you know that?

You you know that, right?

I know SHE passed away from cancer.

And i'm sorry for her family. I'm sorry for her family, but I did not like constantly and I did not like what he did me every single day. I right IT was horrible and and not very accurate and not very true and not very nice and andy applies to route the same crap that he always rates but um I wasn't talking about but Andrea lier and SHE should get off her high worse and not thinking I was thinking about fifteen years.

So we were looking at home. Good to see. We were looking at home through for the recipes. And i'm just wondering, do you have we want to do someone? And then I was think, let's say, smoke has a certain predictor for wanting some really sweet or I don't know something he'd really like where where there any really good recipe and therefore someone in you know in that might like that I would like.

So like fusion.

the .

apple problem for, and use as many different kinds of apples as you can. IT really changes the texture .

in the case of the apple pie. No, but I think there .

was going, no, I was. This is after you've already.

and then you get .

yeah already and then you what the whole books look good for that actually I don't .

forget the park turkey. That's a new recipe IT takes sorted, takes the place of my cheek tury. But IT is so the turkey comes out so deliciously. So if you're looking for a new turkey, rest, if you try that one .

and you will put the house up or get covered. And like greece, i'm scared to know in those other things with the turkey. This is a safe, a safe way to .

it's the cleanest way i've ever, ever took to cherkis is a partment wrapped .

instead of here you .

rap after you stuff the turkey and butter IT nicely, then you rap IT in big sheet of parchment paper you can use a the bulldog clips from from your desk and and road in and and then about a half hour before it's finished you unravel and IT gets till till hag Brown color is and and that's .

the alternative to using foil, because now we have all these .

questions about rap. No, il, I never never with foil.

but i'm a new convert. This is very good.

Don't have direct your food in the marthe's ward .

on her one hundred book. IT is great to see you again, and we hope to see you in person soon. Thanks, mark.

The happy takes so much and your program so morning.

Thank you.

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