Where Did Tech's Magic Go? feat. Alex Cranz and Michael Fisher
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welcome to Better off line. I'm your host ez itron, otherwise known today as a wake jo rogan.

good. We all live kind of from the I hot radio studios in new york today. I am job by mr. Moo himself, Michael Fisher and of course, alex cranes from the verge.

Thank you for coming for to be here.

Thanks for having us. So today is about what the magics gone. Tech got two great tech journalist with me. I myself had done some writing on tech, I guess.

And the big thing, this kind start actually, from a conversation between you and me, Michael, about kind of like, what are you even looking at in take anymore why things aren't fun? Like what like IT feels like we've stop getting. The most fun thing I have found is going to pull IT out my pocket. There's no videos. Never going to know like this anchor charge less like thirty box.

I mean, they are sick, sick charger.

no, like battery packs a cool. But otherwise everything that comes out this meant to be exciting, like humane pin and the rain are one which obviously were back from the ning. Sorry, anyone who othe wise you were wrong. And like the daylight tablet, which will get to a course right, these things just have turned out to be just not even fun.

Not that you can be kind of shit, but fun like the something you can look at, even some of the great tech failures, like that weird frame that you could upload things to from like twenty fifty and like a few of these weird indie gogo ticks. There was a cute, weird just to IT, but now it's just almost just nothing. There is a lot .

of reasons for that. There are yeah .

feel .

like there like a lot of compounding problems that like that deposit us here today. But I will say that I think that there some of those examples you gave are still could have been fun I think right thing rabbit is still trying to like salvage the situation and make but I mean a humane I think, you know, took a took a giant swing, which was this this thing we've learned.

I think you shouldn't do at point, which is try to replace the smart phone call to a smart phone, the enemy, and say, we're going to replace that with this wearable thing. And when you deliver a product that's so undercard, I think that's the problem. Like to start like you can't even get .

there anything also just everybodys in this big quest to to beat the smart phone, right? Like everybody wants to make the next smart phone so they can make all the money the way apple did what is IT.

And so they're .

all like a throat at the well. Is this IT now even like I mean, I think you're right when you say like the rabbit and you look at these AI devices and stuff where there feels like they're sort of a sync m yeah to these products where you're like you're just out here to make money, there's not like something fun and exciting here like the daylight computers a good example. They're like, yeah, we're going to .

you make computing black and White and describe .

the day and the daylight computer you just reviewed.

IT, right? Just the back. And like, I think I got IT dinner android tablet with an extraordinary display because a special thing about IT is the display and David per said, know yeah like, it's like, thanks a display company sumer is I .

like an LCD .

display that only does back and away correct?

And the special thing is that IT has a fast refresh rate that makes IT very smooth. And when you're manipulating IT, it's like using a black.

like using an ipad from the fallout world.

using an e android tablet if the e inc. Could go fast.

That's why I was that about IT. But so what's bad about IT?

I mean, the problem for me, fundamentally, I i've used a lot of android ink tablets. I'm a nerd about these things. And fundamentally the problem is they are built for black and White, which is cool.

The internet isn't. Oh, so you're like OK and download this APP, I can see any other buttons. cool.

I O I an true I .

think you .

like to their credit, they have come out and said, look, we don't want color know, is this very granola very .

if you watch the cover and like .

that is their pitch, that is their things like your screen is too colorful and too addictive and you you should be able to use your tablet outside in in daylight and IT should function as you expect you should be to do you want. But at the end of the day, ideally you're not, as you drawn into this war text of of tiktok in this feed because, you know, you don't want to watch youtube on that.

You want to do something .

which which is a whole inside one another .

example where people are just like, what if we took all the cool capabilities of your phone and then like turn off a bunch of IT yeah.

i've seen the ads for that that weird phone where it's like a we we block out all the things, use your phone for, right? So the OK, the thing that you wouldn't use your phone is just very confusing. I love posting. I love looking at my phone ninety two hours.

When you are online.

I will die if I don't go online. But also, IT doesn't feel like any of these companies, right? Same with rabbit, same thing with IT doesn't feel like we've actually talk to a person like an actual person, like a Normal person, right?

Someone who uses facebook and instagram to talk to their friends or get a ice pan and someone who has like a regular job, someone who isn't intake at all yeah and just said, what do you think? And then when that person said, I don't know what this, why do I have this? Could what do I do? They should have gone to, oh, sure, I shouldn't have released, but he doesn't IT doesn't feel what rabbit I think is a good thing because I think they're fully cynical. I think .

that they just be has to .

be held separately. They like IT almost feels like they just foxy simple people who chose. But you said they were alex.

I mean, I think for me like that, I ve used a lot of similar tablets to this. So when they reach out and and really like, hey, we have this device is its electronic paper. They're very carefully in electronic paper, not eating because that's like an actual brand of thing and eating will descend from the heaven yeah to just slap you down if you use IT and appropriately um and they said they are eating and they they are said the electronic paper really cool refresh rate and they wanted to like, do this whole daylight thing in the warm White stuff and I thought all I think the warm light stuff is very unproven science.

that is, what is the warm yeah what's like?

The idea is if you look at an orange light before you go to bed and make .

you the blue .

light wakes you up and make you just add for sure, because the war came out with that thing is like like all .

these studies are not conclusive .

and also some new .

ones have proved in this .

doesn't cool one .

hundred for me. So the Price, here's the thing. I don't think the CEO is I had some time to talk to the the C E, O and I in in a vacuum and absent, I kind of was like this guys gotto be a charleton, right? He's gotta had gone for a cash b.

What he is, what might take away was is that no is a display nerd who are really cares about making this particular kind of display technology. And the display is call. And they they like they didn't take them off the shelf component from sharp, which I also thought, and stuff in and do a White label android tablets.

which is what I thought they did. That's .

just what .

I the offerings .

built .

to these devices, they ceded. You know, it's early and this is the thing we complain about with almost every product like this is just an agro on to on top android. But we buy all these ideas and a great, please deliver the ideas, the press. I aren't very fine.

I wish I could do that with the bank. yes. Yeah, i've got the money this month, however, right? I will one day and i'll have lots of IT. I am not sure that's .

a called a credit card. The understanding is okay. You have to pay extra because you borrow IT, IT.

Where is these companies are? Like, hey, give us your money. We're going to be a product. It's not going to be a good product. But if you just wait and like, no.

you pay me, pay me to .

wait me to the right yeah I think the .

uncertain thing for me is like it's the Price, the thing that for day light.

if daylight was down two hundred.

three hundred, about five hundred hundred, okay, it's an intentional product for a very specific market and and that's that's great. So I A lot was like you've got ta make me understand where this is seven hundred thousand and nine dollars and to hear them tell IT .

it's the work .

but into the display of plus the tiny minimum or equalities they so a eat on tablet .

a lot of effort to make which I can see that side of IT.

Now click like i've got ten some experience with like okay, I get IT I don't know it's true, i'm not I don't know enough to know.

Now eight hundred dollars .

yeah that's yeah. I click, iphone is now a thousand dollar access .

from listeners at home. So Michael is using this case on his, on his iphone. And this allows you to type with you nice click keyboard one .

twenty one I .

do like IT and i'm not just saying that because I am so founder, i'm very well as you can trust me.

And so the thing is with something like that is that actually feels useful because people type stuff on their fun, sometimes .

around .

yeah that's time.

But actually that's the way to think it's they feel like less fun things to fuck around with these days. And that's something even like C S. For years has been like this.

Everything, i'm sure next year is just going to be all ye again. But even the years before IT felt like there were less fun things. There's the kind of exterior ring of security camera, uh, toilet line and delta companies of china and they are main. They got like the shangs change on the romance company and they sell eleven different products, many batteries and they're all very nice people. Then you've got like the cat late, a company that always turns up you've got the wifi graw company always .

turns up that the one .

folding machine will never launch. But even then, the folding machine, I kind of like that like a foxy dumb product that will never launch. But otherwise it's like, what has the magic got like when was the last time we had something fun even?

I mean, I C E S is a weird one because IT is so. I think most of people coming there are coming to sell things in american markets, right? And if you don't need that, if you sell online, you don't necessarily need to go to see yes, and have that big presence because you don't you can just have directly with the consumers. You can just be IT. And we see that stuff like like the stuff i'm really and to right now, as I N O.

I think is how you say which gaming council .

one is called the I N O. It's A Y A N E O. I'm absolutely massachuset .

ing the name .

a flip. And this thing is the dumas most fun thing i've used a while. It's like a steam deck. But if the steam deck ran on windows and therefore so OK two.

three, why do you enjoy IT?

I think I like IT because it's different. It's doing something and there's like like, okay, the software is garbage, but that's kind of therefore ault because it's hard to do software and like you shouldn't launch things with garbage often are steam decades is fine, but it's also cool because like there's like it's just got a good display. There's like a really good thought behind IT.

And like, you know what, there's people who really, really like this thing and you're going to have fun with that. And it's mainly going to be nerds who want to play intendo D S. roms. And I like, yes, cool.

And that feels like the first weird thing i've heard of in a while. Others like the rabbit.

yeah. And I think the ones that become a success are like almost unavoidably not as weird. Like the thing that jumps in my mind was was the last time I was really impressed by something that I kept up after the review period or bought after the review before and was metal like, wow, oh my got this stuff, really good speakers yeah and a really in a very good camera into sunglasses and a lot of I stuff that you really shouldn't k about. But like it's it's a really great .

accessory thing work like one of the train a lot yeah and he just sounds good and like everybody in the train car gets to listen to my music with me but then I sound really good on phone .

all so I don't care you can use photos yeah so that's verging uso IT is .

absolutely extremely useful except meta.

They make them they made .

IT because they have like meta has a big vision for a and V R, right? So they they have the whole, the quest in all of that junk. And then they are like, what we need to do, A R stuff, and we need to start Normalizing what a is gonna like. So we going to.

you can't see anything in them.

you. And so it's all audio. Bose was doing this a couple years ago is the two people who have done this. And it's like, you know, when both did IT was a stupid concept and even the first set tabs were really stupid and in this time, quality was just good enough for you. Like, okay, I get IT now much of they are like two fifty years god.

up between two and three hundred something .

they're ly is one of those things where you're like, I just got paid and got any bills do anytime soon. Let's do there. And they actually accomplish .

something that like a lot of these A I companies that we have touched on earlier, have tried to do and and sort of feel to do, which is get you out of your phone for me, I don't know. Well, I just stupid inflation. But like thirty percent of the time I found it's just bad, like I find out the camera right. That's why I ve got my phone out just to use the camera for something. And when you have a camera built in to your glasses, you can just .

literally hit .

a button on is because .

as well, because it's off. Because my yeah of new york times, he does lovely videos of him cooking, using them. And turny go to, I would be like talking to me, like making stuff.

Scott, that's fun. I actually really enjoy that stuff. IT feels bad.

The matter is doing IT, though, like the idea, but also how if you also a weird, that matter made something good? Yeah, I just very confused. Alright, the V R stuff with quest.

I know a way like mention, like most people like quest is good. IT isn't good. I i'm sorry, I am very sorry, casey, my very close.

And casey is going to is gonna pissed off. And to get a signal message, the quests fine, but even the new one, I still get sick. Yeah, I still feel .

I D IT doesn't face my flex on the .

glasses.

I'm come back to the glasses because they like, they, these headsets and everybody was like, oh, wait, this is not the future for A, R and V R people. Looks stupid. Like I saw my, if you come like one day I went over and i'm visiting and say, hi everybody, I go, where is in? I go, he's upstairs and I go upstairs and there's just a little kid all alone in a room like wag in the sticks around. And that's the .

dome's thing I ve never seen.

Like I anted to, I wanted to give him a wedge, right? And like a bad response for an ant, just like put my hand in my pocket and walk away. And but that's the way IT is for everybody. And so they're okay. We're going to do these glasses, because if we do these glasses, then that won't be as dumb and stupid looking.

And I should just give a shout out to a company that not a lot of people remember. And I, I bet you do remember focus by north.

I want to the name. I don't remember what they did.

They shaped to their glasses that were very like they were a little chunkier. They were obviously something a little little off .

about these glass oral display.

But but they to display, and when you put them on your face, all of a realized in your vision was a little chrome like heads up display. And you could see your text mesage from refound. You could get driving directions, turn by turn directions, little point of interest things. And I was like IT was appearing in your eyebrow. Of course, it's very strange because when you're talking to somebody, you'd see you'd look kind of above your eyebrow and then you'd be like, are you are you checking .

your messages while i'm talking to?

No, no, no. That's where you get .

the sunglass version, right? But like, this was a great idea. The technology was very fascinating. And then as often happens, there were purchased by google, and google either mismanaged .

or killed IT.

And so brutal. I mean, and that was the last time I I felt like we are on the cusp of maybe the next chapter of personal mobile computer.

I google glass that cool I never got play with. And I think Robert scovill has done a lot of bad things, but that weird picture of him in the shower, I genuinely feel angry.

The show.

So this is, there is a really disgusting fellow called Robert scope of famous for reasons i'm not actually sure he kisses up to long. Us now wants to marry his test, or I believe I am really check at that fact. It's opinions, if you can see me.

So Roberts's cottsill took a picture wearing his google glass. Well, what looks like screaming in the shower? And I mean, just a lot of .

people talked about that photo .

IT was very the inverse of pornography. And but that moment was really unfortunate because good glass was too expensive in all that. And I don't think anyone should have ever looked today as the future arriving that day. But they the idea of our heads up displays cool, I think heads up displays the cool, I think, yeah, I don't agree with the we need to get away from our phones thing. What we need is Better society so that it's work looking away same.

That's that's the atall that this is an escape is we made a tool to escape from the world kind of ripping off paris Marks from tech, say us there made a similar point about the vision pro to distract us from real life, which is a bit much is not totally off. But it's weird like heads up displays like a future, one of its the big capital, but that's a way that they could be useful while getting us away from constantly staring. Yes, because there are times where i'd like to walk through new york city and just listen to the music, but also know what i'm doing because I don't ever and had up the player be good, but it's almost like they shouldn't be trying for fifteen years that they need to get to a completely different level of ship. There's plus display, plus everything else and then do IT really well.

That's just because they're also desperate to be the next type phone like I love. You know, I think everybody in this room currently has an iphone there. There are very good devices yeah and everybody wants to be the next one because then they get the thirty percent lock and they get they just .

all I trial cause .

yeah .

IT just makes you the next big thing. So meta been doing that. Google has been doing that poorly.

A samsung, you know, a lot of these people do IT and they all fail out IT because the text is not there. right? Yeah, right.

Like glasses. You're going to get glasses until you have actually good display. Zs, that can also pass through.

turn off and most importantly.

that you don't look stupid wearing. Yes, like if I want to give you a, you've lost the box and I I am liberal with the Y G.

So actually .

it's like a high Price factor. Yeah the.

So with my sunglasses on the interact time, you would have, no, but I would. What I don't know is how to take him off back. Second, we had to get .

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So IT feels like augmented reality is at least where there could be fun. No, yeah, but he feels like it's not twenty seven, twenty fifteen when they had that weird birth of them. IT feels like we've all step back for IT, which sucks because IT feels like we actually did R N D money there.

Yes, yes, because I feel like that to think the point you were just making alysa, that technology needs to catch up to the aspiration. And we've seen a lot of the demo and again, the most promising one got bought and killed.

I've think I think the rabbits are close. And and they are planning, apparently, to put a lot more, invest a lot more. They are right. They this week, I think, did a whole reordination week recording this, did a whole reordering, this of the the meta division. And so they're like oculus, you over here and you go over and like an under an add sales guy.

I don't remember .

the name going up .

and then the .

ray bands that they're like, okay, this is like, this is our focus. They've got plans for some glasses in next couple years. They are like much more involved.

We've heard like google by focal and we haven't heard anything there. And so I could be dead. But also like everybody, he's talking about A R right now. So IT feels like maybe they're coming back.

I think that so I don't know de about this could the road com bubble yeah well, I think what they're doing right now is freaking out yeah because they don't have they all want to be the next time they realize is there is no next die phone right now there is no next google or facebook or anything.

So chasing A I.

chasing A I, come on.

I was gonna. You've got a very good job in the past three weeks of dating on this very show. Why is not as exciting? That's a good .

point to break up though. How do you too feel .

about A I well, I feel I will say this details of what you were just saying. I the companies are not the only ones desperate for the next iphone. I am desperate for the next iphone anytime again peers know wrote that little blurb about um you know the the season of A I gadgets is here ah before any of the accumaster rabid stuff came out, I was like crossing my fingers because as somebody who covers this up and as somebody who has loved this stuff for as long as I can remember, I love the excitement of new things coming out and introducing new possibilities and I feel like the A I I have um an increasingly severe garage against the AI bubble, the high cycle for raising my hopes. Actually putting some pretty cool hardware my and say what you wanted, the humane payment, that hardware rocks and then absolutely cutting its legs out from under IT because most of IT functionalities based on an alarm that you can't trust because he tells you the sun is going to set forty years to go at eleven in the morning.

Yeah I think like A I is you know i'm super excited about apple intelligence manning because i'm going be able to make the best shit post to send my friends because you can do image generation and it's hit dist. It's terrible looking yeah and i'm so excited to just troll people but otherwise, like you know, AI is one of those things like we've built lying machines and as far as large language models go, they're really bad added to the point where tim cooks like well, I wouldn't say hundred percent get .

IT right and that's actually a bad thing you to say.

dude and and everybody saying that because don't worry about IT, don't worry about IT meanwhile, the researchers are like, actually our language models aren't the thing, right? Do you should worry about IT? But everybody is like, but we can make .

money now .

and so we 我 jong.

when he's not serving PC gamers like me. That's the thing though IT. exactly.

We're saying that, Michael, actually kind of the inputs of us being in today, something in the show that people say, people say about all the time, is how you just pessimistic. I love this ship. Do you know how excited am going to get a new .

dum gadget like .

a got ank charger? And so exit. I so happy with that stuff.

I love my little most and gadgets. I love this stuff. And I haven't really had anything to be. The steam deck was the last time I was really like excited for and then excited after yeah and kind of the vision .

pro oh interesting .

but it's like there's always a buff and the bug is usually yeah but the people who made IT, they didn't really give IT to real people. They give IT to a focus group and there was a ini one, so three page say whatever I wanted to here and the rest didn't turn up and it's just frustrated. And because there was a time, I think it's just lather rock.

There was twenty, got new stuff, new stuff, new stuff, the bad stuff of funny, even though this dokey ini gogo bullshit, like the coolest cool, which had a speaker in a moderate mine, you knew I was never to enjoy them. And then they a bunch of people that was bad. You stop getting fun like there wasn't something to look forward to that the vision problem reason about up is my first hour with that was so exciting.

And then I realized that I had like light leading. So I start fucking with IT and I couldn't get IT all right. And I spent looking another hour trying to make IT work.

And I just turned out that, like, I didn't have the right size thing, which dramatically improved IT. And I was using IT fairly often. Unlike this is not there yet.

This is different and cool. And watching movies on is great. Then I try to watch on a plane that I got a migrant and I ve yet to finish june. People say this and all tomorrow, whatever IT is from that to me all the time. But it's it's very strange because you must doesn't feel like anyone's trying.

I just like like the V R thing is a weird one because IT is so dependent on the person， right? Like I I had a friend who also just recently did across country flight where the vision pro watch june and june to back to back.

and they were.

they loved IT absolute. And as you would presumable thrown up everywhere I know.

my head just felt like I .

would explode IT, yeah, and that's just because, like your vestibular response is totally different than their vestibular response. And that's what's gonna happen there. And that's why VR is dead and that's why meta now is like me, like you go over here. We tried IT.

a watchful hand of boss.

Yeah, we did that. What was the meter quest pro was was at the one where they .

the pro when they cancel.

yeah, where they released IT and always like this is garbage and they're like leased I think .

what I was they released at the same time as the quest to which was like three hundred, four hundred box people. This is pretty good yeah like the expectations were low and they're but what if you paid four hundred dollars for something that wasn't as yes but was more out of well, yeah and that you were saying .

it's I going to like IT doesn't feel like people are trying anymore. I think that's not I think people are trying at the wrong thing. yes.

Um former journalist should become a journalist. We miss him. David redit was just complaining about this. I'm linked in and he was just like know with respective the product managers who I call my friend like product managers are ruining the segment because and even you can take IT out about the P. M. Like it's like companies, I have realized that if they do enough marketing to create artificial demand, then that is a way to make money in the short term and you can keep the business growing.

Or is that just what they believe is the case?

IT may well be at right out in for the long term? IT certainly, and not sure, yes. But for the short term ment, maybe you get Spike and IT feels like there's ten times as much of that as there is for for every ten examples of that.

There's one example of the confidence actually like, hey, we actually have A A good thing. Maybe it's a little weird idea, but we think enough people buy will buy IT and find delighting IT that we can make a business out of IT. And if more people did that instead of like what how can we make money and get out as quickly as possible, right? Then I think we would have those glory days.

You can make the money in doing something. People, it's frustrating. Are you enjoying any devices other than the strange, not quite steam .

deck at the garbage steam deck that i'm not even gna score because you should you buy? It's not gonna good for most people, but it's so much fun to fuck around with. I don't know.

I like that. One of reasons I got really into eating because I felt like I was much closer to like they felt like there was something there that could be solved pretty quickly. But that was like five or six years ago.

And yeah, that hasn't happened. What's slowing you down? Um because everybody wants to make money through vertical integrations. They're like, well, I don't want you to actually get anybody else's books on your device.

I want you to get my book.

Everyone play, so everybody bring a platform. So it's it's money again, like everybodys, like I need all as much as the money as I can get to my little side.

Because apple did that, I worked really well for apple. I .

never for .

anyone else on.

And you haven't seen meaningful evolution in the kindle would describe in a long time.

which in garbage compared .

to a lot of the stuff because like china, and this is the other point is there's a lot of innovation happening in china.

You have used the oden, oden. So there was the sites and android gaming console before the steam deck. So just to be clear, and probably not as fine, but super fast, you could do a place station remote on IT, almost like prediction to the playstation port, which literally blame playstation. And IT was great.

And what they did, this crazy idea, they were like, why don't we make IT really easy to the specific gaming acts you like? And what if we made the button's good? Yes, that's and what a crazy is like sold down and go really well comes china.

And it's like this current syn phobic climate. Fuck frustrate him because let them in. Please borrow the innovation from them. They seem china seems to be fucking trying with tech rn of the .

reasons are trying because I can went down a rabbit all with eating really like why is nobody trying this? Like you're getting all these really cool e in creators out of china and nothing here. And IT was because.

We're so obsessed with that lock and we're so obsessed with how do we build that bigger model. We don't want to just sell one thing we wanted sell you the services. We want to sell you the platform. And in amErica is just super hyper focused on that where china is like Jamie, I don't care who you use, just I mean.

we are all controlled by ten cent. But yeah but it's frustrated because I feel like what I might also be is that they like do you make the next trillion dollar company or billion dollar? They like, what if you made a fifty million dollar company? No, yes.

我 一个 一 investors， you to get solders, you do all of that. Money is not free. People don't just give money away.

Got to give one hundred million dollars to add a newman again so that you can make the next bad company.

Did I think that happened?

He did. He got two hundred and fifty million dollars.

I want, want to feel that hard up. That's so good. But like.

I don't mean to keep bringing her back to human. But that was the thing I kept saying in the human briefing. I was just like, guys, I I know if this is not what you want to hear, but this would be a great little accessory for the phone. You could still do a lot of cool.

yeah. Have A A link to your .

phone and then IT wouldn't .

be well datcha here. But like IT wasn't a bold enough vision and they didn't say this. I I I assume this IT wasn't a bold enough vision, one to get a bunch people motivator to do because if you're replacing the smart phone, big quotes around that, well that's that's a mission that at least difficile, that's like a moonshot. And then b, you can get enough investors excited to your point, to give you all the all the money that you.

I just want to put together this t for. This is the humane, a IP in google. That is terrible. Four best thing, the human, so are the.

This is the thing that I will never understand, they will never tell me, is, how did you put this out the door? How did you look at this thing? I wait over heats in two minutes.

Oh, ChatGPT sometimes doesn't work. Basic shame. I mean, I would not want to do IT. I would be like they kind .

of head to right. Like they kind of hit their their point. Words like shoulder, get off the pot.

This is the question I don't know, I asked two of you is.

but I think rabbit .

had a lunch before they, what we all knew was going to happen, which was google going to do. I was to like .

people. So how? And right? So I can say this.

That looks cool.

Yeah, IT does. He is on the board .

of teenage engineering. He's on the board. This boys OK, we're going to talk about the right time. Those things don't know about the rabbit is two hundred of a and IT claims that have something going to call a large action model. Large action model claims that was trained on six hundred plus apps to distinctly, for some reason, I only launched with four or five. Turns out that when you ask the lab to do something, IT would sometimes just not work.

Sometimes you would say, mcDonald and I would go, sorry, uber isn't working and IT turns out, due to some friendly hackers that IT turned out that IT isn't actually using a large action model, is connected to play right a script thing, show more more technical stener in ami corrections and very but insure instead of running a large action model, actual A I think IT was trigger ing scripts using ChatGPT. Now I could do a whole episode of surprise. I haven't, over the whole thing that they used to be an N F.

T. company. But putting all of the obvious, horrible things aside, I just fuck and sucks.

Yeah, it's just really bad .

in a way that is almost unbelievable. I recommend you go look a day, three day. Did the whole thing about IT before I came out was very good.

But don't look at linux and linus. I know people have problems with IT, but he's think about the rabid was great because so it's mostly him trying stuff and not working to us. What what which was very entertaining is very but IT, it's just broken, yes.

And they raised another thirty two million dollars in march. IT feels like I am living in a different universe to the rest of the world. I see this is bad.

The youtube, like this is the worst thing I ve ever used. Invest that? absolutely. Yeah, I need to get in on the shit now.

Yeah, yeah. Elan, just send them. Brought my check. He did not my knowledge for IT write them a check. He wouldn't do that.

No, I don't .

think you're alone. I think there is a weird tension happening where we have silicon valley. We have all these investors and silicon valley who are all just desperate to make money and never took a single history english course, like any liberal arts, they think that stupid.

And then there's a the rest of the world yeah and and these people are so focused on money they forget the rest of the world. They they never touch grass. And so they'll put on the vision problem, be like this is going to change a face of computing and not consider the billion of different other ways people use computers. Or they'll see the the rabbit with the worst name on the planet, by the way, a majority of women I know yeah .

rabbit coming .

that dying to know more about .

that weight. I didn't even .

put the rabbit is a very network like that is a term for a whole type of of sex toy.

that woman ah idea.

And so like when they were like, we've got the rabbit like to you IT is a .

different rp, Jesse. Look like now bring out .

what's up. See, I know you guys sex tech now.

but I moved the adult staying away from c yesternight.

depending on here.

But I I think .

that IT is that that there's the kind of disconnection from the real world. But also, I don't know if these people use stuff. I just I don't think they do.

I don't know if they use IT like I really wanna get behind mark angry. And at one point, I can't say us that, but I mean, look over his shoulder and see the font size on his iphone, right? Like I want to see because I don't think these people interact with the real world of touch grass.

But I also don't think they like I don't think well, APP vision pose different because public company, whatever. yeah. But like the rabbit, for example, I don't think they fucked in cat. I like these little pigs or buy this.

Well, they only bought IT, right? Like like they announced the thing. They made these huge animals the tone precelly. And then IT came out and I we haven't heard how the three cells or how that .

the sales of hundred thousand units after now we don't I know what .

were going to hear about that, right.

but we are not it's coming from Jesse.

I think you know, I mean, if i'm with you, I think there dubious business motivation to a lot of this, right? But I can't help me to think that if I was an inside one of these organza that I would look, no, I know. I would have been caught up in IT.

I been caught up in the ambition. I would have been caught in the promise, especially when you consider that the design process of a lot of the stuff goes back to the time where we were most of us are getting our first chance to interact with chat PPT. And i'm like to make me a text adventure in the style of star ric deeps nine.

yeah. And if I did IT and I was like, oh, oh my god, no, I remember where I was when that happened. I was like the first time I put on of V, R. Heads that I remember the first time I I was actually blown away by A I and if I was in inside the company of recently, hybrid is like going to change the world with this tech. I think I I probably would have been on that boat for like a year before .

I started getting really.

really internally ChatGPT. And yeah yeah I like .

for me I used IT and just reminded me of the ab box. Yes, for I am old here and apologies to the audience. I'm sure you're all twelve.

Hi.

why are you listening here? We are old people, but in box you'd go and you log in and you type and even type back. And then we've seen times. And this one.

I was like, kay, yeah.

we're back to this. We're back to this. Like the the pattern recognition and recreation machine has gotten just really, really good. And I was like, that's fine.

Yeah, that's kind of that's actually where I was as well. Like, are you can do a text based? true.

And I think about you heard that I would have gone cool, ali. And just kind of just said, because I run a pee often. Yeah, I have clients in A I, but nothing that touches the shock, some scared of that.

And it's like a few lines now who have even just do A I think this thing I don't surprisingly enough, AI companies are not super excited to wake me when i'm about the matter having to do stuff. But it's like with ChatGPT, for example, I know I actually understand totally, Michael, why you were excited like that. I can understand why others might been excited by that. I just don't understand how they steal that way because nothing has happened. Money, money, I guess.

But I mean, money is a very powerful driver .

if you work for a financial institution. I get IT like, get, get, even just regular people don't seem excited. It's just so wit IT feels like living in two realities at one, yes.

And like there was a sign that someone posted a blue sky was like, we put the A I in an I N I P A was a dell adver. what? Yeah, I just I feel like I like I have a friend who was in a dot combo company.

Yeah, like a textbook related one and i'm really tempted to call him a big was IT like this was IT like this and if he says, yes, i'm gonna nothing because I can't invest in anything else because I run a bloody take podcast can't do with anything. You can't short ship. It's like the big short, but save, grow like well, i've just go home.

I guess I think I think like we have to give give to to the entire thing first, the the marketing approached to A I has been really frustrated because everything is A I was stuck that was that existed before in has been poured directly unchanged and just rebranded as as AI. Just much in the same way I think somebody brought up to me at the at the john deer event is just we will not be talking about OK.

I had so many questions.

so I was like, guess like slapping a non G M O label on an unchanged box of with things like it's okay. Well, A I is just being marketed much too aggressively. So you have stuff stuck in here kind of getting caught in the in the flag that the site that's really useful.

But it's the seasoning that you put on something that is already yeah it's not in itself a self contain thing capable of driving a whole new range of especially gadgets, which again makes me very sad because every time you would touch a new A, I think the plot, the plot note that little self contained A I voice record was like, this is very cool. I wish I were an alternate universe in the year two thousand, and I could actually get excited about because what this is is a feature that belongs in the google recorder. And oh, sorry, I just finished this video, and that's exactly what google bilton to the record when I was done OK.

Well, with that for now, yeah former to a yeah everybody is I mean.

yeah I think they just going to put IT back and for everybody is is gonna constant associating? L like something sticks because they're so desperate for that next time there so eager they everybody just looking for the money. They know IT somewhere. And like right now, IT is all in a video stuck and and they're hoping that I will somehow come to them at some point.

Why not? Why not you? I don't know. It's like, why not build some fucking hardware to put in video stuff in?

I realized those black and chips someone want we talking about, but I don't know do. It's almost as if no one wants to do the work in the middle. They like, i've got an idea and I need to make a product.

Can I skip the middle part is boring, its expensive and takes forever. I need to have the share on the market in six months and I can't be if IT is the great the all cost economy ever about hundred times. But it's also frustrated because I actually think if they put in the effort, this would be cool when that comes to A I part of my frustration comes back to that thing.

We are a saying earlier about how we've been let down because I would actually love IT if I could reliably tell my phone to take distinct actions. Send the counter by to alexa Michael P, I just can send IT would know how what maybe IT goes, do you want east and the pacific time or wait I said, new york, you already know and IT sends the invites and find remains that would be useful. I wish in my regular email job I could have IT do the spread and the documents IT can't IT can't actually do these things.

yeah. And this the please speak that the no IT isn't the future we need to. They can't even describe what IT isn't .

because I can do that future yet, right? Like there's the things we have now, the thing that everybody got really excited about was they released ChatGPT three point five. Everybody went, oh, crap.

This can write, this can write stuff, and they can write IT not like garbage for once. And this is huge. And all of the researchers just roll their eyes because the'd seen this for ages.

They're get a large in much bottle. That's what they do. So they do and calm down. And no, and then that that the downloads increase, the downloads crease in a risk weight. I think there's some money here, right? And let's just like ride this hype just right into the ground as long as we write IT, as long as we can intelligence to the ground and that pretty much what happened just right?

Yeah, i'm trying to i'm like i'm still I am a half way between like the stuff that that we're all talking about and then the stuff that I see again in these little flashes of like what I will be on on a trip with Kevin, neither will be be like, what do you doing is so well, I have a cold so I can't do voice over from my video, but I built a model of my own voice. So now all I have to do is type in something and script in the model in my voice, read on to the audience. And I like, that's useful, alright.

Well, do you know book mark, that I like generative film stuff? Ford, it's like it's not like i'm typing in the major ney like make me a photo of a high turtle eating mccrone and cheese while watch it's like, no, it's people yeah but like when you wrote in a photo, right and and you have to fill in the stuff with fake just to make IT look okay, you can run a blog post is like that's useful. So there's little yeah.

there are a lot of these smaller things that could be super, super useful, but that's not what they want to focus on because that takes actual work, that takes that there's more development .

that is to have really big eno. You ve ought what you came up. T you build IT in a photoshop? yes. So everybody hates .

you because you're to be .

I think it's almost like they are really good at features, but terrible at products like these aren't useful because the animal user interface of phones is really good and also very bad. Yes, I will lose what I am doing on my phone. Sometimes I have five hundred eighty seven safe that .

just surprised because the U.

X. On there is so one key and it's so like it's not like all the computer where you have like like a actually that would suggest like close crime types on my computer too. But I don't lose shit as much, but I still do on the computer.

Yes, I I don't miss meetings because I generally forced myself to be on the time as I was not today. And it's the fact that I have to moderate so much of this stuff. Yet everyone's talking about A I that really pissed me off. Why can the phone, if A I is the god down future, why we so far from the other part .

of that is the security and privacy like we just saw. Um as we were recording this earlier today, apple said actually a bunch of these features that we announced that wwdc like apple intelligence, which is going to make theory like two, a lot of the stuff we all want IT to do, they're not not coming to europe because the gma and they are like, oh, you know, we're worried it's gonna like do something about the privacy, for example.

That was the windows feature where I was like, what if we just to me and I was editing or post ford and I like this rules. I didn't think about the security because I was like, it's going to take a picture. I'm just going to know.

And like i'd recently been trying to look for a text message from ten years ago. So feeling very like this is perfect for me specifically. And then everybody like this is the worst thing to ever happen. And what's great about recall.

as well as they didn't actually solve the real problem, which was search, searching for the spotlight is actually really good. Yeah, but it's not good enough. No, IT could just be a little bit of searching for stuff on your messes could be Better. That would require them to make that Better though. Like now, what if you like just row IT down, just right down .

I in a plain text file and then we'll just use A I to train on that and yeah, like, yeah, that is definitely a solution.

It's reminding me of something. I I switched to a text message provider like fifteen years ago, right? And I was intoxicated ated, about the prospect of being able to search all of my text, messes for all time, drop down a few times. And over the course, the past two years have been like, I must delete that entire arc. Yes, this is a massive liability.

I have ex, ah.

no, I keep all of them. Don't worry again.

Okay, you .

all .

come.

Yeah, I hopefully, please don't invite .

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So returning from a commercial break all announced next time, it's just I wonder if it's something to do with the venture capital climate. But not just that they don't wanna invest in things that aren't gna grow huge, but also, I think they're scared of hardware. They just like concept of hardware is pensive. It's expensive. But also like you've been saying, there's not really a plat for like there is if you own the hardware device, but you need to come up with some noxious way to change.

The more yeah everybody is obsessed with how do we get that extra that extra money, right, with the exception of some .

hardware in this room. And then very.

But but for the most part, everybody is obsessive. This, when we saw this was the video. Again, I think that's one I was like one of the first ones we saw that with where they were like, what if we charge you just to play on mind with your friends, even though IT doesn't cost us anything to do that? really?

I think I began, jesus began with the game. That was a more of living the hall summer. That was the big moment.

They judge two thousand and nine some armor for your horse. Did you get? No o maybe the eldest grows online, but nevertheless, that was the moment when IT. But they were like.

a and then we got the more micro transactions. They are like, od, you want to do a cool little like hand wave and destiny, five dollars. And I paid IT, unlike you, I paid the five dollars. I was like, take my money. But I M sorry.

since we're talking about all the timely things, the first time I encountered this was with np, when napster went a git. Do remember that very brief moment.

You are still with napster.

When I went, I went line wired because I ruined several computers and then naster comes out as like, are going the just pay us this very affordable monthly fee and you get a living music and great. And then I got to the part of the front page, it's like, you, and if you ever stop paying, as you will lose access to all that music. what? Yeah, it's two thousand six.

And what is this? now?

That's how sort exactly?

Yes, now you free count.

I don't pay for neither .

because I an .

inflight, I pay for apple music. I get IT .

through my my phone bill for some reason.

good. Yeah.

it's great. So i'm like I do. I pay for IT unclear.

But it's just weird because IT feels like there are very obvious problems that people have, like phones are the whole stop using your phones thing is stupid. Get in the T, B, I. I had a really good piece.

It's like, I love my phone, love being on my phone. The problem is there's too much cheating IT. And that doesn't mean google, I need you to search for you.

Also not good at IT, but it's the I feel like they are selling us back the idea of interfaces, except they're not even doing IT, they're not actually automating anything. That's the thing with the A I. That is the problem of A I of the other ones, which is it's not doing anything for me.

What is IT doing? wait. Even the apple intelligence that just an episode, excited about the prospect of what they could do, but also they didn't actually say much. Yes, siri can do actions across moto plates.

And also it's not coming until well after launch, right? Is that chases cry yeah or some of the features they were really like, they weren't clear on which features are coming immediately.

which later just and it's IT almost at what I mean because that was wwdc.

Google I we just finished to speak development conferences and and while I was instinct bly for developers and instinct bly for the rest of us, and IT should have been developers because never has the relationship between these platforms and developers been more fraught. This stuff that's happening in europe, the dma, has made IT really, really difficult and instead IT was for investors and saying here we've we've got our A I thing to we are in on my hype and you don't have to be like we talked about um i'm going to do a little plug here. We talked about this on the verge.

Cast to the the .

verge is where where I sometimes talk about a stuff s too. And and we think about IT over there. And I was really, really clear that they they'd done this for the investors.

And if they hadn't been doing a eye this year, and I was really clear that was kind of bolt in on, everybody would be talking about how stupid and dumb and delightful ly your phone looks, because you can change the color on IT now, right? Like, you can change the user interface. And like, there are these cool moments that happened and they just like, no, no, no, forget that AI yeah no.

that I mean.

like, and that has been the case since I ve got this business, right? It's like you go to show a, well, what's the theme this year? You know, I think we first exceeds of this song in twenty seventeen in google, first spent like half of google I O talking about bots.

But what if I think was .

the same .

year that facebook, when they did F A, was at fate? We're going to revolution the world chat. But in facebook.

where is the m assistant, right facebook .

theme and curry .

favorite .

with investors and make sure no google is not being left behind, as we can afford to be seen as being left behind. And then know you get the search query, the the the glue on pizza stuff to go at rocks thing and of course, have they've got egg on their face now because and I cannot for the life of me, understand why no one internally said, hey, stop that's actually because google .

is one of the biggest company in the world and IT is a nightmare to work in yeah tony fadel who who built like nest in all of that stuff, he read a book that was all about how he he knows business. And um one of the really actually interesting parts in IT is how his just relationship with google collapsed after he was nest was acquired. They acquire the us.

And then at like immediately you know his boss like actually i'm not your boss anymore. The sky over here is your boss, you doing this and then that guys like, oh, actually you're doing this. And I was just constantly changing because it's such a big, a more or face right thing.

And like a lot of these people, that way google is probably the war, said IT. Amazon's pretty bad at IT. Apple is generally pretty good at IT. Apple's whole thing is just like the culture of the place can sometimes is get in the way it's coltish. Yeah google also a cold, but it's like, what if we were like .

a big kind of disorganized run in but sound up shy. What confused me is like liz read has been there like decade search chief now, but also her boss is proper agra van, who former head of ads who also used to run yahoo. Please listen to the epsom, arguably of the weird thing I ve discovered, the more I see in the mirror eh way, it's just it's frustrating as well because you can they must have no shame. They must legitimately be like who gives us like the only way you you are able to release products this bad is when you just to your point, IT was for investors, but now the company is for investors.

Yeah I think that is the company like like zon jobs .

had these.

like pena, I used to run the surface a depart, run all of the .

surface products .

at microsoft. He really understand I like build these things. And like I think he made a real moment with the surface because he cares about the products and he's now amazon and they wouldn't let me talk to him and it's fine.

I'm okay with that, but that's because he's going in like, okay, we've got to fix amazon's like product line up because it's it's what IT was good yeah what if IT was good and and you see that, but those are the rare guys, right? Like the reason these people are so beloved is because they do care. John Y, I have terrible ideas a lot of time. Apparently I was his idea to put the eyes and the vision. Pro.

oh, really. yeah. I would be able to stay look like.

yeah.

What if if the watch was a drank or no? No, that's the rest. By the way, I want to see jodie. I ve apparently sam molton really badly wants to make a device of them. Yeah, honestly, give them as much money.

Zero display at the .

hacks are on.

You just think at IT a .

new new type of blue. Suppose you can connect, you blow vice everything oh, shit. IT just looks gorgeous, which is i'm fine of things look good but if they just completely no.

no, I mean, but that was the thing is like he's kind of like a lesser example because he does have some bad ideas. He's so about the minimalism and that IT goes like somebody tell him no but that's why Steve works. That's what that Steve jobs works.

I don't know Steve jobs, he's dead. That's why Steve jobs works. That's what that's why pianos work was because they they can they actually care about the products and they actually want to make something good.

And most of the time now, like tim cook, i'm sure he cares about the product because he is the C. E. O, and he has to make money and and and please his investors and stuff. But he is a supply chain guy, right?

Like I also feel like apple laptops, really good phones. They have gotten.

They've gotten really good because everybody was like slagging on the laptops being like their garbage. You haven't updated the macbook air, your most popular device in half a decade, do some. And they were like, we probably should. And then but they only really did IT when they actually .

had a couple of their own process.

which is and silicon, that's the thing. I think I my problem, as i'm discovering in the middle of this thing I good, is that my problem is not with the devices because everyone who buys them, the millions of people who who give apple whatever it's three trillion dollar market or whatever right now, are very happy with them because they're very good product. And any time they tried something that I would like, like, you know, for example, of a fun idea.

fun IT creators.

And it's not supported in one if you got this developing. But there are no options anymore for these types of products like your phone has to look like that i'm pointing at at iphone 4.

your phone has to look like that.

And even if you go crazy and you make something that I really appreciate like a foodful, which is one of the big reasons I still use android phone folders, change the way, use phone, and great they staff to unfold into vegal, something the vegan relevent of of that rectangle and a laptop. Oh, we just saw calum processors introduced and like I know, seventeen new laptops from a bunch of new new companies. And they all look like the existing until power laptops that they have .

been shipping forever because most they I I think microsoft and hp were like the only companies that actually .

wants to new. But even that's not new. Like you can go with aces. God bless them.

They make these crazy where laptop, these photo able screens that and honestly, those do. They're not just, they're not gym ics like they. They change the way you computer, in some cases, are very, very useful.

But no one wanted to take a risk. No one wanted to take the affordable of all that space freed up by this ARM best trip. And like with the reduction of fans size, everything now they just that will be very conservative because same reason that phone makers only make White and black phones in quantities s that all people buy. We make clicks in a very fetching yellow color, and that's thirty percent of them or something like that, because those people .

want White or .

black right here. And I get IT, but I don't like IT. I would encourage people to remember that fun can be a reason to consider a piece of technology. When did we decide that fun that is not a priority in our in our black buying.

when we decided selling more products mattered more than .

selling cool products.

And shaul.

the supremacy, I agree with business, but consumers, I did. We just go like pick up the and may be .

living the feel. I I think I think .

I think that is you .

I don't say this in a bad way. You're right. Like I understand what you feel that way, but it's their job to sell these. It's their job to make these .

things importantly.

like the two screen laptop. So these .

things are crazy .

like you've i've got the screen where your keyboard is and then you have another make a, have a go at IT, do a proper national campaign, makes some weird choices for because that's not a mass device. But guess what? There are cool things you can do with IT.

Many people use two screens. Do a big enterprise push. Do a big business push. When I see the A I, I P A I, that should be the double screen one. And what's weird is, like, deal, for example, that company was dog share for a long time and now then pretty good because they want why if we make good, good computers, yeah use our computers.

And what if they were good now? And it's just and I think it's this disconnection of the company from the product on both their business and just their culture level, like the people building things like it's so wear to mean that matter made the ray bands because all of the people who run facebook now. So it's mark zuker g heavier oliva.

C O. You've got boz. The ultimate growth, all costs as whole, every terrorist attacks are just viable for growth, literally.

He said that, yes, really grim thing. Alex shell, former goth, all these are growth people. I'm shocked that there's anyone building anything in facebook.

The torn and plugins mark said built, you have to build me a hardware because nobody wants, nobody, like everybody hates us, because we're terrible at software. You've gotta build me some cool hardware so I can get as far away from the phones.

This, i'm not only because you said he could build, build me a hardware, but I could imagine socks just like his cold that is looking.

Assume that .

is me slams.

Honestly, I think if they grow up HTC charger.

I would pretty red. H, T, R, I was a .

physical quality keyboard and android phone with a facebook button on IT that .

would let you directly share them.

Absolutely could be the new minimalist .

phone for .

the facebook friend IT. Could be the boomer phone around.

right?

They still around. They like a private guity. So not for long.

Yeah, I was like that.

That will be sold to cue company by private will buy next year.

Don't worry about IT great.

Funny, yes, with the girl stuff. So some of you may know I make excEllence. I do.

Smokers I admire are going a little bit trouble to see. Yes, last tomas there, because I went out. These people start ask them grilling questions. Not like being and I like so does this help with the cooking? Yeah well, you see you go on the APP.

You can see recipe, not sure, but the device because you can connect IT on wife from my excEllent then what? And that's because you can't really innovate that anymore other than the combustion thermal ter, which is incredible. May buy a guy made a video a few years ago called you vis a liar and it's got eight.

I've not connective with this is just excEllent. I to has eight sensors in IT so I can find the coldest point. Your food, like all my hate, the various at my .

detractors on and .

saying I don't like anything. Combustion, some of is excEllent, is so good. I finally got my beef ribs down with IT.

But that's the thing that one's a great example of solving an actual problem that most people, they use the thermo ter, they don't know where to put and they don't know if they're in the right place. And the I personally and deeply anxious person, so constant anxiety is great for twelve. I A cook with this IT works and IT works really well and is not a bunch of bullshit.

IT costs like a hundred and six nine box. So it's not cheap, but IT solves a problem. Now it's like you'd think with all of this money in A I or A R or all these things, they solve a problems. We've had very similar problems for like ten years.

I think part of IT is a lot of these people do not. They think they're solving a problem, right? Like I think everybody in this room is probably good. We're good writers, right? Part of we make our when you're doing a video.

you yeah you .

write to like good writers, right? Like this is a skill we have and we can do if somebody sends us a horrible text passage, we will grown because we don't want to answer IT emotionally. But we will still respond, respond.

The hell out of IT will be real written, well written. But these people don't value that because they think that's just that's a thing they can serve out with A I right like that. That is the thing for him. And I run into this like I was talking to a woman the other day who gave me the first legitimately good use for large language models. SHE had a really bad blind date and the guy sent her like a long, long email. And she's like, read the e mail for me because i'm not gonna ad because I don't want to gone under the date with a guy then respond to IT like politely saying saying, no, I don't want to see you, I get and I was like, you figured that out that because like if you did that to me in at work I would be furious blind day yes.

go that's no that that you're right. And that is the more specifically the only good example for IT, like it's the only good version of that demo that every company insists on thinking. We good send a text to my wife and tell her i'm going to be for dinner. Make me sound more sad .

about IT.

No, apologize.

It's like more effort to do. And how do you even know what good is you can't write exit? And though I must also say just doesn't know there are people out there who have like coding disorders, learning the learning this equal display, for example, physical, but other people dislike, those are not.

When I say you should be up to right email, just to be really clear, not the people I need, you have an individualized problem. And I also must be clear, none of the A I companies gave a rap fuck about you. They do not care that you are not the person.

They are acceptable.

They are selling to someone who does not exist that they made up, right? Yes, that is who IT is because the real stuff is crazy. And then, oh, I have these five ingredients in my kitchen.

That's my favorite one.

Something like ever happened to someone .

you just only have? I mean.

I you can't work out what you OK unless i've got. I've gone onion, one piece of ham, three knives. Human ChatGPT O K, like what is the situation where you can't look at and go, all right, fine, like i'll make a sandwich .

like you because you you imagine what they imagine when they're doing this is themselves. They're just like looking in the mirror and they are really like OK put on my little paddock and you, I put cloth, put on my little blue truth heads, said, I haven't looked at my spells in three weeks. Um i'm gonna have my assistant text.

M oh, shit. My assistant got laid off. okay. That I really wish I had an AI system who could text them so that they don't leave me .

because they probably, yeah.

I would be expensive. They will take all of my life.

but I don't care so yeah.

And like, I mean, that is a gross growth exaggeration. There are many of you in yeah there's plenty people who have lovely relationships there, but that is the the thing. They are very yna ally going this one group who to your point earlier, they are not talking to real people.

They're not going out to like I can middle of nowhere rule nebraska. Like what do you think of this? Because it'll be like, can IT connect to the internet? Yeah, IT needs the internet to do everything cool. I can't use IT at all because I don't have internet.

I wonder, and I have a real question here, and like, is IT, that so many problems have already been solved, that it's harder to find new ones like, or ones we find our two nation to narrow and you google's new horses to solving.

like a fixie problem is, I would love to just say, fix my schedule .

for the week.

right? Like that should be easy.

Motion has been lying about this. I'm calling you out house, all right, you mother focus. I see you on instagram every god damped day. I've i've supercharged my eighty h day with motion. Thank you.

It's not how IT works your bunches comb, i'm so sorry that's little much you like I loaded your god down product and is like a real into schedule might go and just IT like tries to like suggest they do something once like that does not work what the fucker and I just don't trust anymore IT doesn't do IT and I cannot find any real users. I'm sure they exist. But that's the thing is that is the problem to be solved. But I also think you're right in the there are no big problems, right? If you no more and to conquer tens .

of thousands of little problems and little need like issues, and it's certainly stuff that I run into every day that shouldn't be a problem. Google home is what, you know, over a decade old. And are those things are just absolutely to trash.

But like those are little things that one light in my room doesn't go off with the rest of the because like no one's going. Those are trouble shooting bug fixes like we we're not doing this maps thing again, we're we're not saying like, hey, you know how to hard to get around the city, you know how you get to print out map quest directions. Like now we drove down every road on the planet and now you have go go maps like I feel like those big, ambitious problems just don't don't obviously present themselves.

We do need to go back to decided that there are no more land to conquer is the thing i've talked about before. The there are no more big problems. And I think we're finally maybe this the first time in history was really being made to reckon with the fact of how these companies make money because IT consumers are perhaps dealing with the death by a thousand cuts right now.

It's the ten thousand, ten million little problems we face, which are usually a response or a result of technical. That is just things built on top of things. People i've talked to inside google have said this, that they just build shit on top of other shit.

Google home, one of the most evil apps of all time, invented by the devil to separate you from your first. But that is a result of them being like, okay, we bought nest tony for dell. Yeah genius, genius guy with they ve got these amazing theyve revolutionize the smart. I'm not sure of any view.

Remember when the next came in? That was a huge deal. You had a shitty honeywell thing and next actually work in that.

Work did exactly what cool IT looks cool, but IT also the very satisfying. And that's what IT worked. IT actually worked and they went, wow. So we just bought this and they've got these cameras and you've got these thermo tis, and they work really well in the software, pretty reliable, people like that. But we also have another APP that people hate.

What if we added the thing people liked to the thing people hate? Then they will love IT instead, I don't know what I won't actually have been instant and just got describing, which is someone from google absorb nest and then said, you are run by Steve e but you are run by this department and will build on top of IT will connect all the bits of nest into this act because we must have everything in one place when you're not really solving problems other than company apps and making a feature work rather than a sweet of things work. This is the result, and I think we're finally reaching a point. We're just there's not enough exciting stuff to hide from the fact that most computing experiences are cluttered and bad many times of the day.

That's for the fixes, right? Like google, I think we can all agree, is not do great as far as like search goes, right? Like you go and you search something on google. IT is so much worse. Now I am using cognitive paid one at the moment.

Good is what it's like. It's interesting.

I'm still trying IT out, but IT doesn't feel measurably worse, which is not great for google. And and and that is something that could be solved and that would be a huge bt, right? Like like IT is hard to fine things in. These companies have all decided that they are gone to solve IT by just taking all of the content.

And then maybe or maybe not, you will be able to use search to find your U. P, S. Tracking number.

And I will tell you when you get tell you, and then when you're trying to do return a lot, actually generate that, that could happen. yes. You know, when I just .

moved here with you, there's a lot. There are these useful things there, nowhere close, ready. And then they go and they promise them way too early. And then like A I is getting poisoned.

There are so much really interesting things that have there has been for very long time and and instead they're what if we just make a bunch of money by pushing lying bots out into the world and that won't back fire in anyway shape, perform and it's like, no, it's already back fire and it's just going to get worse. Like google, you shot yourself in the food micro soft with being, you shot yourself in the foot because you're like, what if we released these laying machines at the same time? We have our garbage search engine that can see the lize and and it'll be fine. No, you've just made the web like almost impossible to vigorous.

That one is very much like IT was a way to sell cloud computer space. IT was a way to promise yeah the eternal growth machine could keep growing. But also, like search i've done the episode is, is that a whole thing? IT just feels like they are not building things for people.

really. If I worked on google search and I saw them launched that I probably wouldn't quit if I had a mortgage. But I I would take my linked in off line. I wouldn't anna be associated .

with that.

I feel feel like, yeah i'd to face the light but it's just someone like in in the same society sound up. I would have been fired immediately. This sent off. Proper aga regardant would have been sent off. These people would have been fired, not just for but they're already not been five for bad, but for publicly breaking the probably the biggest contribution tech has made ever, like at least in software and and .

said it's like a little hick up and they're like, don't worry, A I is gonna x this out.

Just A I is going to fix the A I well.

you know, that's the other part of IT. They're like, A I will fix IT because A I just needs to learn more stuff. And if IT learns more stuff, i'll do that.

okay. But didn't you just there was just I think that the atlantic road, a really great story about how they ve run out of stuff C I. on. And so they're like, what if we just make more machines that make a content for my eyes and that content data.

if back to the P, K, I episode, the tech data, the way did you know that that will break them?

It's going be great.

How spoke gay? I is what Jason sadoski calls IT one of the funniest terms ever. But it's so funny as well because there are so many, there are so many things to fix. I just using the phone is kind of .

a ball like.

yeah, it's it's MIT like you have this click y keyboard company yes, i'm surprised that that didn't come out like one of the weird like not quite works for apple, but seems to get all their revenue through the apple store companies like these these ones that just kind of bubbled up and hung around in a good way like it's .

just solving a very specific nee right for a very there .

are plenty of people don't like who to click y keyboard. People like keyboards like that's a thing you can connect to a person to.

Doesn't know that kim cardigan, but that is famously a thing he loved. One of the first things .

I learned about being on the side of the business, and i'm not allowed to talk about the customers, i've not given me the permission to talk .

about them. But you, Henry clutching, is clicks as he was the last words, what I like the device. IT sucks as well.

Game something I was saying earlier as well. I want to to be excited about this stuff. I do that is there anything .

you're excited about that?

Yeah.

the steam deck. The next I genuinely believe and I know the OLED was the second one. I know that's not what i'm talking about whenever they do the next steam deck.

I'm so excited for that. cool. I love the scene deck.

I think it's one of the coolest things i've ever used. IT. IT is like a really great PC game console.

P, C, gaming councils. Theyve tried them a few times. They never quite work. But this works is a bit too big.

Parking player isn't great.

but it's worry about it's cool, right? And it's customizable in a way that you don't generally get with products. Now is and it's just it's fun to use like that that's what I got like I got into the I N A O. I got into these weird like steam deck replacements because there's a place .

where my oh sometimes is happening. Yeah you can you go inter switch and I still love my, my switch and a razor kicks out new gaming accessory, every city. Yes, you got this crazy, ridiculous web. Can that, like most people don't need, but streamers love and RGB able light there. A lot of gadgets to be in gaming.

I feel if I were, was one begin with a completely blank. And they do. The lights were.

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got to.

I got to. Yes, they make really good love producer there they ve got to. They make .

production. They are still get, but little professionals. But there are it's specialized gear.

It's not really a gedge at the just the best.

And got this weird thing.

There is something exciting happening where the Normalization of photography at large is prety. magnificent. The photo I can take on my iphone with portrait mode are not my D.

S. After three, I got a kind of five D S, A lot photography, nice glass two. And yeah, when I take them out and I get the right lie and I i've make sure do the settings right.

And L E, sure it's great. Eight percent the time. Now my phone in my pocket and I can get a really good photo, and it's easy.

I can upload IT somewhere. It's easy to share with a friend, and they were a little editing. I can make a podcast at home in eaja, as in last vegas, I can have edited. There are actual things that happened are so good in take, and they see these things that like, shit, alright, what problems to humans have not like, I don't I don't know, I and they go to their assistance and what problems do you have and they start to like a and it's just it's frustration because if the tech industry would realize this was happening, they had to have a lot of good stuff to do, the Normalization of whatever professional things are. You can record a podcast that sounds really good from home now in a way that you couldn't for years .

go absolutely yeah. Also, I think like some of this is just, you know, if you want to call IT like a victim, this crime is not the word is like this. This was inevitable, right? When stuff got this good and when you got able to do those things that you just talk about on your phone production studio in your pocket, like IT, we had to get here. We there there is no longer any reason for motorola tommo phone that with double action .

hinges and figured that out. And the same thing happened in hollywood, right? Like they were like, oh, super here or movies make money, what if we only does and that was really cool for me, a super here in erd for two days .

ah and was a really .

good example. They saw that superheroes didn't. Well, what they didn't realize was the movies were good and the actors were good in the roles. I am man didn't do well because people love the concept of tony stock. It's because Robert downing.

junior, but I can knew who tony stark was never came out.

Um I don't know god. Ans, the galaxy was good not because of gold's to the galaxy, but because the actors are very good as excEllent. And tomorrow, I forget place p equal. But the guy from the office is going .

to be someone so personally was .

an incredible to the galaxy. And they that, and that's why, yes, they go. I have the guy from show .

with person trace .

wilden treat William sorry. So the thing is, they see that. And then they spilled out all these shit ones.

They are like, what? What do you like about IT there all three hours long. That's more superhero. You fuck in grades.

You just take your slop. And I guess .

that maybe we are in text slop era.

We are in the era.

are actually in slop era.

fucked.

Well, ry, what points are great.

but IT is we're in this moment where it's like we they are more focused on their bottom. They are more focused on on pleasing people who don't care about the technology, then actually making good technology. And there there is a lot of good examples where that's not the case.

We've talked about a lot of those here, but a lot of IT is just garbage. And so for me, that's why I go and I mess with these steam deck competitors and e ink devices because that's the areas where IT feels like either is the slop like right now and tell panos a something about the kindle garbage device. I do not want one of my house.

Sorry to everyone at amazon fix IT, but but these other on ecs books is making like really, really cool, interesting stuff here. It's not great yet, but they're trying. And every time like we right I write a review, then the next thing comes out that changes little.

And I like IT OK, then I feel very powerful. And then I just want to like write a hole, like here's what I want actually from IT. And then I worried that I got too close. I got to end to IT.

It's funny though that you .

afraid to write that just fix .

IT yeah because that you're afraid the company would be .

mad and the no then i'm doing labor not paid pay for her but like right the unpaid .

consulting check is yeah my .

consulting check.

Now I wonder about the jacket that's what i've been thinking about kind of weird for the past few minutes, is just like there is still obviously really good reporting out there. There are still really good reviews out there. There still people calling companies to account for, for the the stuff we've been talking about two hours.

But I do wonder how much disruption is actually being introduced by the this kind of like rise of of influence to marketing that kind of like clouds the whole thing. And nobody can tell the difference i've found. I started to find fifteen years or twelve years ago that people could not tell the difference between sponsor content.

And even when you leading.

even when you leading, quite agressive .

yeah because you well, like i've tweet and someone replies asking a question that i've answered in the because nobody pays ten, it's an attention from problem. I don't I don't know. We could spend another two hours talking about the changes that we need to have an the media world to actually kind .

of make IT close to good.

But I don't know that I would make a difference. This .

wilderness, listen, ability to sten to review, do not accept that we send them back after we reveal them. Got very strict policy used to we would even need .

food ah one .

of the strict .

one and alone and now is like give people being like, oh, you just spd con for apple and I like rude more. I mainly just offended more than annoy because i'm just like, but it's if it's the same thing that there is this assumption that everyone has pay to play and and and you see that even with P, R, you get a lot of these anger pr people being like, hey, how much can we pay you to get our product .

on your site and might nothing solution that.

that isn't legal .

and it's shockingly common markets running .

in a really great review on M, K, B, H, D. And then we have two of discourse because somebody on twitter with a large audience said, I know I just don't think it's right that youtube or can kill a can kill a company know with this with this thoughtless headline and like, no, that's a review of a product that didn't do what was going to do that, how this I think that .

there is a problem, yeah, within the media, that there is a fear if you step outside lines in gaming, for good reason. I was in there before all of that horror happened. Those people, you get fun, especially so much worse for women.

But in gadgets, as a fear of losing access. But I also think no one wants to say anything that's particularly different because I don't know what if they're wrong. And the answer is you've been wrong plenty of fucking times. Why stop? Not like no one wants to make the step and say this sucks.

I mentioned dave and he .

he did this thing about the about the rabbit, about the pin, and he was just saying, what these companies doing, like, what is this? I'd looked around really no one said that there was a thing in blue by being like, so why is IT so good? You're doing this.

IT was months before IT came out. It's just completely insane. And I understand that when you see the world, everyone saying A I, everyone saying is going to be big. Everyone is saying the same thing. It's scary to step out.

But also my key album, I have you no shame, but I really is like, do not want to just say what you see if you believe this, I actually fine with IT. Please explain yourself. That was in the case of the rabbit, the case of humane. I know the argument is all this, just for aflutter people, whatever is a lot of money IT still, who knows whether someone didn't actually save for .

the redit .

or save of people? Two, two boxes grow you if you think two hundred box isn't a lot, if that is your response to something as a justification for being shit that's unable .

I always that was an excuse especially sense I was like, compared directly to their human and i'm like costless but still doesn't .

do IT was going yeah yes yeah in fact I did even much less .

yeah and it's.

are you put in an .

android photo on IT?

Now I know I wanted to do that from a video. didn't.

It's just frustrating. That guy was like, he killed the product. Now they killed the product. Marcus just said, what was in front of him.

right? yeah. I had a friend, shi smith, who would reveal laptops.

And sometimes you give him a bad score, right? And the companies were called me like, why did you give this that store? You made a bad product. Make a good product and I give you a good score. Is that easy?

Just talking about this affair, just like, no, look, I will tell you why and I will take you through the process. And oh, I ve just narrated my whole video of you again. Just if I like IT.

I won't lose machine over this all be infected about how much I like IT. But I like something I love IT. Yeah, I get into the gods about I use for hours. I really enjoy IT. And I wanna do that a game would take like I actually really miss IT.

And I think what people don't get is that that actually that makes IT easier. I going to run a review that's that's good. Yeah, it's greet.

I get to keep out the product. The product people are happy which like I doesn't take what not yelling at me. And the comers rents, aren't you either ocasio able.

everyone .

else, cause it's much more of a hassle to do a bad review.

a bad review. I mean, the version we did three, that we're like lower than average. And people like what, because we gave the rabbit of really low score, believe we give you like a three year or four.

We gave you a three because humane pen got a four, because IT did slightly more. And then the vision prove to seven. And we all joke now and say probability of six but but even then I was pretty like like the the vision pro actually still did the .

thing that was expensive right?

Yeah but seven .

should be should be retired yeah but no.

it's very uncommon in in our space. And a lot of times if you are using the garbage traders you don't want to talk about and and then you're using the media .

oca products.

And you know, how do I make that sounders?

Oh my god. No, no, just time. No, no. That's what you here. So and so IT, it's funny.

I've been asked recently to do more review stuff, but that's the thing. It's like, what if I hate IT man? Did you just say you hate that?

I would be the most epic.

Better review and and I can do, but I can absolutely rip something apart. B also, do I want to like if I like something I truly despise? Fine, absolutely. The the injustice insight me, but it's like something that just kinds shit, like a six out of ten review. That sounds hard.

I mean, I definitely when I first, I I went from from one place that had a very kind of strict um tone and then I went to a place with a much loser tone, which was gizmodo at that point, wed by oker. And I started there and I was ready to go and I got a product in and I think I mean, I gave IT a really bad review and I was made like just I was like, IT was not very good and I was like, i'm gonna dig in and I was the mean thing i've ever written my life. I even think about IT now, and I cringe a little.

This IT was so mean, but IT was also so fun, right? And you you get older and you learn in your temper things and so you're like, well, maybe I don't need to compare IT like a baby dropped on a tender target like maybe that is not appropriate. So we are .

approaching the end now. So for both of you or is actually something you really, really, really love in tech? There you go, everyone ready IT you want to make positive? Mean, I have .

a question IT like I currently available one or history.

I don't.

I will get blan ender two, i'll give you where I think a company really got something right. I didn't do very well. Motor a, as you know, revived the razor for two and nineteen IT brought back the razor as a photo able andred phone IT IT was pretty cool, but that some stuff wrong with the.

And the next year they brought out the razor. Twenty, twenty. And i'll tell you, for somebody who is terminally in aac, gic, this thing maintained the industrial design of one of the most famous phones of all time, and concealed within IT.

A A really quite good android phone with a bad camera because is member model 电脑 上。 And IT was very fragile, whatever. But IT was beautiful. I still, I A very few gadgets that I don't just thrown a jr. Or return or whatever.

This one I did never heard that sits there on my shelf in the back is out of focus on most of body and it's a masterpiece. Yeah and I love IT when a company just absolutely nails IT. And I hate you when I either doesn't have the um ability to market IT enough IT just doesn't capture the post aginst. I don't think I did very well, but I love cool. The rain was the cool lest one of .

the things there was a cool um yeah I think me right now it's arc the browser I I recently switched to IT I want to shut up about IT anywhere I go so you guys have to listen to IT too. Um you're starting metal your tabs earlier. I'm also a tab monster and IT IT just works IT IT Better like collates the stuff for me.

So like IT IT does the job. I I waited like two years to use IT and now it's got a bit of A I features that I think you're kind of stupid. But um ignore the AI features. You just focus on the core product and the rules. And he just came out the ipad version came out the week we're recording .

this ve heard that a lot of it's .

one of those things really do have to take a minute. It's not something immediately like I get IT you've to kind of sit with that the second because first time I looked at I was like, this is stupid and immediately .

uninstalled IT did all right. Where can people find you.

Michael? People can find me at capital two phones, mostly s that capture the number two phones are also still on x uh, I no choice and instagram and I make your youtube videos at the mr mobile .

um and you can find me at uh alex h cranes I think on threads and twitter exists but I don't check IT very often it's also alex h cranes and then um I I met the verge I I write and added at the verge i'm on the verge cast every friday and sometimes .

on tuesday all right my named ed zita on you can find me ww, anyway sorry you been this thing to Better line we've bring recording this in the beautiful I heart radio studios here in beautiful new york city down on my produce to thank you so much dano i'm calling this thing Better of life. Now we're going to do this in multiple cities. I'm proud and happy that we did this.

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