Is Silicon Valley Voting For Trump? | Pirate Wires EP#56
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Is this the new Normal? R, V, C and tech people deflect, voting for trump. Now the note coa, he says there are Maggie extremist in every corner of society. Now for me, he's calling the all in guys Maggie extremist.

He has been employed in this like decades long legal battle with california because he's trying to stop the public from access in his beach. You lost an appeal to try to get california drop their lawsuit against him.

Who wants poor people on their beach? right? Like I as a billionaire, I do ever tize somewhat. I don't want to have to deal with those emotions.

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the pod we have. I mean, I was just saying this is going to be banging your episode.

We've got a ton of ground to cover. So I want to get right into one of my favorites, which is the question of the the silicon valley type shift. IT is a slightly different speed on this. I want to focus specifically on the question of supporting trump in silicon valley.

And and this is this been a recent over the last week, I don't know, say controversial, but fun conversation that has been triggered by the fact that David sacks is about to host a fund raiser for Donald truck fact trump is now in 3Francisco as we were corporation thursday were talking get on friday so trumps trumps in town now um or is like I think about to be in town or something like that um certainly the the lives are getting ready for him。 I just saw news of a giant trump chicken like a chicken looking Donald trump balloon. They're going to like fight back against trump and sands cisco for is a huge yelk as trump hasn't bent to safran cisco in many years because why would he? Well now is a reason to be this fundraiser is totally sold out.

Um and there is a question going around of like is this the new Normal R R VC and tech people dislike voting for truck now is that just if IT sacks what is going on? Uh dam premiere of axius has been quick to say again and again and again every time a new trump er comes out. No, no, no, no. It's a it's not it's not a trend.

Certainly the last one was um I forget the dude from zoia who just came out this week and said he was a trump guy but there was like none of to know he was always a truck guy only the after the last election where uh trump did dian direction um he vowed to never vote for trump again and now here we are blog. Everything boils over, or I guess begins to boil over. On television features a IT was A C N B C show with a gas sapp arts by the note coastal who was pressed on this very question.

The first thing I would say is all in broadcast in h, some of the supporters there are not based in the valley. I would say that the one to of maga extremists in every other society, and now I hope we can prevent them from destroying democracy, which is probably the most important issue we face. Now the node is one of the most storied investors in silicon valley and still has quite a bit of respect. I would say, um we can table that for a second. Uh, and he was asked, you know, point blank, is this vibe shift real?

Um you know, what do you make and then he says, uh, the view you ask, you know, what do you make specifically of elon musk and the all in part guys supporting trump? And so the ote says, first of all, these people are not from silicon valley um I guess replying I guess he's referring that point to their actual IP code like there were maybe a town over her something not in the act was like a elite gated community that he is from her something. And then in the second place, he says there are magi extremists in every corner of society.

Now for me he's calling me all in guys magi extremists. And this is part of a broader trend in york times is reporting today um on the David sax fundraiser daddie slipper who covers money move to the times. And so they are doing more stuff like this uh, they covered the fundraiser generally.

But there was a peace on ron conway specifically that I thought was interesting where wrong was actually taken a back by the support that trump had in silicon valley and by this fundraiser, gated saxes in particular. And he was actually calling, talking to friends of his and telling them not to go to IT. Um so you have this strange thing where the old guard left is seems to be surprised and also inferred.

And of course, their style, their tactic is not to, it's not to debate IT out. It's like this is an unthinkable thing. You can does not support trump.

I'm going to trying ice them out however I can. There are there extremist? You're a bad person. If you are identified with them, go behind the scenes and know, call people up and tell them not to go or whatever.

Um but I guess I just don't know right away like I don't really know what's going on here. I don't know if it's real or not. I don't know it's broad or not.

I have a giant question k around IT because um how many of these people voted for trump in twenty twenty and just didn't say anything? no. Is is that A A real significant shift in an actual support? Or is that is shift in discourse?

How much of this is just the popularized the all in podcast and elon musk on twitter um sort of making room for this? Now you have a handful of people and IT seems louder than IT is um and then how much of this uh israel, how much of this is like just dollar for dollar, a real trend. And um i'm not sure what do you guys make of IT.

Well, on the vnode thing specifically, I just want to say I think it's hilarious that he was saying that .

while sitting everything.

well, well, he was sitting in his glass world mansion. I mean, for people don't know the back story of the nodes connection to a specific piece of land and silicon valley.

he the beach in north n california.

beach in north n california. Basically he bought this massive property in two thousand eight um off of of wann and it's got private beach well it's got beach access that's not supposed to be private but it's only accessible by one road.

And he has been embroiled in this like decades long legal battle with california because he's trying to stop the public from accessing his beach and he recently just lost an appeal and this literally happened like two weeks ago he lost an appeal to try to get california to drop their lawsuit against him um but it's just the irony of him sort of grandstanding about you know extremists trying to take over the political discourse or whatever. Well, he's sitting in his glass world mansion trying to prevent uncool, poor people from getting on to his beach. Is a, is a little bit rich .

and not so you see, let's drill down on the details one more time on that beach thing.

I feel a little bit, I don't feel bad actually because you have this is like a die hard tax, the rich billionaire e who is the peach is not public, actually the are the beach is not private, the beaches of public beach, right? I if I believe if I have the case, correct, it's like a piece of land that that like the public takes to get to the beach is private that and he owns that. But the beach itself, I believe, is public and that's what the battle is about yeah.

basically the beaches only accessible by this one road and he controls access to the road. Um so so shot IT out.

And i'll this year, I who wants poor people on their beach, right, like I as a billionaire, do empathy somewhat with the plight of that. I mean, it's just gotto be uncomfortable when you're sunning, you know, at night early in the day or you're taking your breakfast. I D like you said and you're like glass mansion and you see someone who's making like one hundred thousand dollars on your beat.

It's like I don't want to have to deal with those emotions um but if you know that is like since that is the case, right for me as well as a billionaire, I am not out there publicly talking about these like let's tax the rich kind of pro populist left policies. And I certainly wouldn't be telling people um or shaming people for voting in a more writing manner like I don't know another billions and silicon valley who has lived in a more sort of like classically presenting billionaire vil rich guy way as the node which I respect. I think it's like punk rock is how and to like incredibly unpopular and he doesn't give a shit.

He's like very much like, nope, i'm going to take you to court. I'm going to fight every battle. I don't care, but I just like the inconvenience that blows my mind.

Like those, how do you have those two positions? Not only are you like to left this on this stuff, but you're going to say like nobody else can have a contrarian opinion um in this way it's just it's weird to me maybe it's like an old guy like he's very old too. Do you think he identifies with the sort of elderly nature of biden? Is that maybe what's happening here .

identifies with the robber barons of long island in one thousand nine hundred and twenty two, who also blocked access to the beach, to the, to the public, and took Robert moses to like, basically take them to court and and open up all of long island for for the public. It's aria history repeating .

again though. Like he is weird. Don't you think it's weird that he is so on one hand, aggressively living that he like seems to be about that life, but then he'd like a taxi in public is strange in this way.

It's not. This is like for me, rotten. That clip is depressing if he, if he's talking about, if if he's actually calling the olin guys maga, which is obviously untrue.

he's walked IT back twitter, by the way. He says that he was not calling them extremists. He was just talking about the fact that they are not from silicon valley. Is is like another classic and same thing.

You're not like heat. okay. So David sax has craft ventures in its intake. Cisco, if that I mean, I know that's not literally silicon value of a but a silicon value course.

This is I mean, what is silicon valley? It's an abstract concept. Basically IT means tech industry. He means an investor tech like that's what we're talking about. When we say silicon valley, no one is actually like the node.

What are the five billion airs who live on sand hill roads, specifically only sand hill road? D have to say about truth. That's all we're talking about. We're talking about tech money.

Where's IT going? But he knows he's just being I think it's like a it's a sort of like um it's like a what are those country club kind of vibes? It's like a you know he can't go here.

He doesn't make enough money. Meanwhile, it's like he's talking about another billion years like I don't understand it's some sort of weird and billionaire ghin over, I guess, where they live. I don't get IT. I think that silicon valley actually that nice. But another conversation for another day feel .

like I like a is I feel like this is an attempt that a punishment. For the the goa or the the funders that taxis holding, okay, think they're trying to circle the wagons around them or whatever the opposite that is. And I feel like the response kind of weak um but that's how I see this playing out.

The dio not trust and it's just about sx. Sax is really popular right now. Um the all in podcast is the show in tech that everybody's listening to. The politics are way off what you would expect out of silicon valley to massive, massive show that's bigger than attack. It's like as broader, even cultural relevance, I would say. And these bedroom capitalists, people like the note specifically, I mean, they are on twitter a lot sort of like why are people looking at me that way? And I I wonder if it's that rather than .

the trump stuff yeah I I could also just be virtue signalling like it's a lot easier to say like oh, i'm against your R M pro taxing the rich then IT is to actually like before your interest and like IT just seems like vertical signal of like oh, i'd want to be taxed and like just giving off the appearance that you you care about that when you really don't like.

Then maybe you have to do that if you get again I hate I mean, no, I love to go back to the beach if you are like sort of no poor people on my beach kind of a guy and it's on my beach kind of a guy um you maybe have to do this kind of stuff. It's like this is maybe what which people have always done.

It's always this is sort of IT reminds me of scene stuff a little bit and the meet too movement, how I was like, so many of the guys were the absolute loud. They came out of nowhere like like wearing the pui hat, like self flag late. We're bad.

We're so bad as like then you find out they had a sex game or something and the people it's it's like heat of the protest, too much kind of energy. Um they feel like they have to hide IT in some way. I don't know.

Um meanwhile, read often in our first any last thoughts on on the truth. I never ever just a question reliving with a question mark to we not know how significant this is this stuff of the way that we're doing writing on and A A little research into a more answers on this question. But I know before we kind of tough, I just finish IT off any final thoughts here.

I'm kind of skeptical personally, just from talking to some people in 3Francesco， I feel like there's still trump is still pretty hard line for a lot of sf people. What i've been heard from modern and Frances co. Is a lot of them are supporting moderate candidates. They're even willing to or you know x republicans who sort of loudly renounced their republican party affiliation and you know criticize progressives. But trump is still like a red line for them and that's almost like a strategy for them to get support from disenchanted progressives is basically you know signal loud anti trump sentiment um so that you're sort of seen as within the still within the acceptable frey and then slowly you know try to get people aligned with your moderate local politics yes.

that is certainly the case on and I kind of know that this group you're talking about in sf local politics and the whole scene and that I would say there are still just this more. It's a slightly broader I think it's a very interesting question of how real twitter is right now, and I think that's where we're reading a lot of our our friends out of. And I don't think it's I don't think it's really .

I don't think .

it's very indicative of what's happening generally. I think it's indicated of what's happening among a handful of people who are still twitter um and also like people who were never on twitter a few years ago and now are on twitter at the sort of it's a very different platform that was an input of years ago. Um so it's hard to tell.

But there is an answer to IT. IT will just come down to demand of dollars that are being donated to biden or trump p out of silicon valley. Um and by that, I mean both the region and the industry generally, we have hard numbers on that. My sense probably is that among tech workers, there will be no change and among tech elite, sort of like the really high profile investors, the ceos, this kind of like the billionaire um the millionaire, the multimillionaire, let's say map single digit millionaire please.

Um either you going to see A A moderate shift away um and that'll have really probably about as much to do with thump as he does to do with bite in who so read off man who is at this point the number one guy on the dnc side when IT comes to democratic funded raising another silicon valley guy if people are because I don't know if we have many non tech listers but read opens of famous PC um papp al via is a democrat hard core and has made that a big part of his identity. Especially over the last, like I would say, four, five years. Trump ed arrangement has been very sort of ongoing thing with him um he went from sort of a let's talk to everybody guy to I can talk to everybody guy and he's putting his money wear as mouth is so he announced today um that he's supporting by this said nobody knew that I considering is the number one dnc daughter at this point I and he's like, you know, this is the right man for the job and I thought I was interesting that this happened okay.

He publishes this note to twitter um where the x rather uh right as a story was going viral about biting which had to do with he went to A A sort of D J commemoration in france which was beautiful. The france really like gave us are due um as they kind of always do. I will say like if they don't get enough credit for being really thankful for this um anyway several conversation uh but by is over there talking to the president, making some comments and there's A A moment where IT looks like he skaats and maybe shed himself again. And um so so really making the statement right as we're having another like depressive day he has pants again, controversy and IT gives me pause.

Distinguish guests, please welcome the honorable lord j. Austin, the third secretary defense of the united states of america.

I remember like people were making this argument back when dan finding was still in office and very clearly really old. They would say, like, oh, well, so what like her aides will just do things for them and it's like, no, like her aides weren't elected like her aides weren't in the public spotlight. They were never having to answer for their policies on the debate stage, anything like that.

So it's like this idea that we're just gonna let these people buying the scenes run. Everything is kind of insect to me too. So I don't know, but did he shoot himself who know?

Well, it's not just rumors. It's also it's sort of it's like almost borderline gossip like you're hearing word from people around him that the man wears the person stuff, which I don't know yeah you're right. We don't know for sure. But I think and there's obviously a reason that people would want to save this.

You know I understand the how embarrass IT is, but it's it's weird how believable IT is and like you said, that does affect the elderly and heat this an elderly man who doesn't know where is and I get the best case in IT so I did he pop himself I don't know what's obviously happening here is were talking about old is and um IT does is strange because truck is also old this is an old guy um but truck like speaking of someone who should be shooting his pants. Have you seen what that man eats at at mcDonald the picture is going viral of his average where is like I think IT was IT was two quarter pounders or no IT was too big max, two fish full lays. There was one other thing and then a strawberry milkshake and that's a standard order like that is that's a regular for dollars trib. Um he doesn't one of our colleagues was saying he doesn't um he doesn't jerk off. We know he doesn't uh we know he doesn't drink and um and this is what you eat is just like a string like beast mode kind of energy that i've never personally encounter before shortly not politics and and IT feels you know separate from its crazy to eat that way and I don't recommend IT this is like not an official para wires endorsement of that diet like holy shit I don't know how you still alive but he seems like unstoppable and uh the contrast is is pretty wound to see I fac yeah what's interesting .

is the the supervise me guy the guy who did that documentary just passed away from um I I think I might have been cancer something so maybe it's not connected but IT is still like that's not a healthy diet for you but I guess like everybody has their vices and for his vice to be like the literal symbol of american imperialism is kind of phony.

The goes.

I think just a question of whether not by the infections as pants is I feel like IT doesn't matter, like biting could have proved that he was not seen all at this point, and he has not yet. And that's why every other media cycle is like, did he do this site seen anything that he fall asleep? You know, whatever IT is. And so trump is proven that he's not seen out. I definitely because .

he's doing long from talks and we see him communication. We see on the campaign trail, biden is not. And I mean, let's go back to the first of instances with this rumor begins the very first one that we talked about today that when that happened uh today thirty day we're filming so it'll be yesterday when this thing irs um was I mean, when you look at the video, maybe he didn't shot himself, but he is confused about the question of whether or not there is a chair behind him and he's there for a while and his wife looks alarmed I think that my read of the french was he seemed confused and was trying not to focus on IT uh it's that a man who is not all there and like you said, yet a long time to prove plenty of time at this point to prove that he's not seen.

He didn't as I can, we're going to see the crazy as debate, I think, ever, if they actually allowed us ml on stage, which I don't think that they should, and I think that we're not alone here. So I was looking at the police market, um betting markets, and there was a ton of interesting ship here. Uh, this is like people putting money down on different I would take almost like a Better form of polling, I would to say.

So you have people who are actual skin in the game, you know, if I get this answer wrong, omen to lose money. So we have predictions for the presidential race, standard types stuff like that. Is jail is trump going to be in jail before election day? Um the one that caught my eye today was will biden drop out of the presidential race that there's a twenty four percent chance, according to the bedding market that's people putting money down on on a belief that this is going to happen and why would they not every other day I see someone asking him from the democrats asking him to do this which is why when you're going to the question of who's the most likely winner of the twenty twenty four presidential race, it's not just biden and trump up there.

Um you have a couple of others a dona drop fifty five percent chance joe biden, thirty six percent chance Michelle obama with the five percent chance rever Kennedy to commute to like how does that happen in and then gave newsom to um so those are the what's really the story here is you've got macho coma and Gavin is the question for a lot of people they are like there's an edge case here where one of those three people hops in the last second. Camelia feels to me like that only happens if I guess biden dies like ripple of old age before the election. But newsome and Michelle, that is like a last minute swap.

And males, crazy to me. I don't understand why people keep asking for this. On the left, U.

P, of people like you could win. I mean, I guess maybe he could. Cause she's popular. Newsom makes the most sense.

Newsom is what should have happened for the democrats like six months ago, eight months ago or whatever IT was when you doing a you you had uh the primaries and um I think newson newson would have a real chance of winning against my senses, would actually be trump. Do this sounds crazy because california is a shit hole but um he's Young. He's very good in a debate.

He's very good. He's very his very romantic. He's very good. Making his case like this is a man who can sit down and tell you that sanford disco is actually in a great place and you're like, oh, maybe he's got a little bit of bimbo vibe, but doesn't never heard anybody in america. I mean, seraphin went very far.

So I think I have happened, and I think I still might happen. What do you make of that of of the bedding market situation here? And like the question of whether or not one of these people actually does become um if not the president, phenomena like might be running again trump like let's say a couple months before the election.

The machine obama thing is interesting to me because the argument that people always made, like against someone like Gavin newsom is like, okay, biden drops out. How are you gonna get past the argument of not appointing his black theme VP who was right and eat him. Michelle ama is the one that just kind of like, I guess like defeats that argument because you like, okay here's another black woman so would make IT a little bit more palatable in people's minds but um yeah make sense come .

so much crazy I think there's no they're not that. So I do think that malle obama will be Better than commutation which is funny because Michelle has a zero relevant experience and calmly was suppose we've been a sector I don't know how the fuck that happened um but SHE like a hot power uh and now she's the VP but that's a woman who just like I would not trust with like a regular like a toll collectors job it's quite understand how that happens to polybius I don't know shit for me and is really a she's a very strong argument against democracy just conceptual um but Michelle who is very popular I think is very smart um SHE couldn't go on the hilly road event on the senator and really made a case and remit try to become a the president.

I think he would had a good shot actually but he didn't SHE didn't choose that I would see IT I I think we would be really hard to get her to say yes to this. Um IT would require a lot of pressure from the dnc and it's like they would have to be really convinced that she's going to win to do all of that when meanwhile gaven sitting right there and he wants IT, he's you know made a lot everything that he doesn't california at this point um in in sort of moderating the hard left on uh the california a dnc. I think all of that is him gearing up for for a run and this could really be a moment.

Yeah, I agree. I ve never understood why. I mean, I I would be curious to know how much of biden came to this nomination is actually coming from his personal narcissi, because I know he said repeatedly throughout interviews that he never sidedly not running for a second term despite the fact that, like, he's got all these very obvious physical and mental elements. And also, I would say like the difference to in eighty old and eighty four year old is just, you know, in terms of mental acuity, like you know x financially, uh, worse on the latter half of that age spectrum. Um so he's only going downhill. But I do think Gavin I mean Gavin did really well in his debate with ron descendest like he was very adept at ending off ron to scientists attempts to roll him and he has the kind of, at the end of the day, like since so much of this race is not actually about specific policy and more about people's got reactions to a specific candidates to minor, I think Gavin has a pretty good. I mean, I think he would be able to potentially know go head to had with trump p in terms of trolling each other um so it's it's IT is weird to me the way I don't know .

that I don't know that he .

be a good troll .

but he'd be a good foil. I mean he's the opposite of trump in many ways and in ways that trump would find and really difficult to fight like Gavin is Young and he's handsome and a he is not buffini. H in the way there's not really an easy way to attack me other than his record and pretty good job in debates.

push. Of IT. He's not a good job of defending his recording, even though I don't think it's actually defensible. He's a very charming guy.

Yeah I think existent by trolling. I just mean like smiling when trump sort of goes off at him and and sort of like a rtc ally fending off trumps, jabs。 But I do think there's a little bit of a question mark for me with on one hand, biden is clearly senior and then on the other hand was placed to think that he's mounted this like very formidable case chanced AIDS uh and dnc advisers to like maintain his iron cloud group on the nomination. I don't know, maybe IT is I guess he's present united states um and probably controls a lot of the the donor networks. But it's kind of weird to me.

So I would be in a polite market. Is there one like you you looked maybe today, but and if he wins, whether not he dies in a second term because I think that there's got to be .

like a medical team. No, that's not die before.

They're like checking his monitors like were pretty sure like eight percent chance he won't die before the election, right? But like what happens afterwards? He's he's like clearly yeah that's why the vice, the V P, pick partitions.

Ly, it's come on again. Do they change V, P, S? That doesn't in combine president ever changed v peas between the first instance?

That has happened, I believe that happened. Well, that had to have, that had to happen. I think back when didn't one of them was IT, who is the one that, like, went to jail?

I was about to go to jail and had to be pardoned by ford. And then ford became the VP. I don't remember.

I mean, my point is to say that like we, I feel like fifty percent anthy have come la coma is like president at one point another, if biden wins.

well, that's going to be a part of the election. You know, they're to be campaigning on that. She's her problem is like body like does anybody like what's public opinion of like her? She's not a likeable person.

And it's I think the bigger problem there is just the obvious stupidity where by then he was kind of going out. He was certainly going out in the last election. You could feel as he had seemed a little bit already, but he was not stupid.

Um not like a sort of technically like classically presenting idiot uh trump whatever you want to say about how you might absolutely hate them. That's a very intelligent man who is able to he's very sharma. He's very funny.

He's very witty like he knows how to win um his that's so I think that's that's intelligence like every most people that we see to get to that level of politics. You think there has to be a level of of intelligence not is really good people. I don't think IT I don't think IT really uh I don't think you really inside devices for that.

Um they're all I think probably slightly evil um but smart and she's not that and I like of cloud h and I think SHE almost could only have happened after trump so trump happens and it's like you have this reality star guy running and winning and it's like, well, we've done that like there's nothing we can do bring camera who is the dumbest person in politics? But I guess is I an an we want to get this to why he was selected. I know why he was selected, but I I think they they have and they they could swap out the D P.

But why if you're going to go through all of that, why not to swap him out? Can he be pressured? I don't actually don't know. Others works. And the dn C2Be lik e whe re you got to go.

I know know. Isn't IT too late though? Like newsome needs to have been campaigning to be swapped.

It's going to be the summer this is the at the dnc convention is when this might happen.

I'd totally get Sunny's argument though about just like his names, like every time he's asked about his age, he always like chAllenges reporters to like push up, contest and up like he's just he's very just in denial about his age, like it's so I would take a lot of pressure ing.

I think yes, he's like that guy who refuses to stop driving at age eighty, whatever. And it's like, grandpa, you're going to kill someone. And now though the differences he has the nuclear codes, and I know it's comfortable that the decades are not comfortable with this. That was why it's like it's so obviously clear to everybody that when someone says I am proud of by in their lying, it's like they just still want trumper when which is obviously fine you're just a party guy I actually think that's perfectly legitimate democratic system like to just always vote your party whatever um but it's certainly him so we'll see there was another I think interesting uh I just got pretty excited about the markets I want. There is one more than I thought was pretty cool um the obvious one but I I guess I wonder what you guys think you know whose troops VP choice gonna be? Um and I have a handful here but before I give you the the what the bedding markets are ranking, what who do you guys think who who is your each of your person?

Nicky hai, probably nick, he already like, yeah he already picker today. He was open to IT I think in his administration, but I think he is was very strongly anti her being D. P. H. Maybe, maybe, maybe I miss taking the news that SHE like budged fields to him not a long ago or something like that.

More person i've seen on the rise as, uh, doug burger, which like makes sense because he's really rich and could like contribute a lot of money to helping jump in which kind of make sense i've seen J D. Vance is also uh up there um at least the phonic I I guess who I think is high in the markets right now. I guess maybe doug burgan because i've seen on the rice .

I have given IT absolutely .

no thought actually I mean the events make makes sense. I guess I think you'd probably opt for someone Younger um someone who's got you know I could see him maybe wanting some tize attack um for his so here's something i'm .

going to break IT down for you and this really surprised me and now i'm thinking more about and have a few thoughts. Twenty five percent chance. So by far the the top guy here, tim Scott, really it's like I it's got to be this is on Polly market.

Twenty five percent chance tim Scott um seventy percent shares just other guy so another male candidate um and so that that doesn't really count as a million in um the next highest guy on here is marco rubio at eleven percent. Then you got jd vands rip out at ten um you at Sarah hockey, which I think is interesting at nine percent because he is a bold dog. I used to wash her press conferences like holy shit the way you would just disable these reporters and trump like that um in a person so maybe that bang carson at six percent uh definite five percent, the veck four percent.

Robber Kennedy somehow on this full as well, four percent who knows hay at four percent and a handful of others a trump family member at less than one percent but someone's like maybe through up aoa um I think tim god is interesting. It's like maybe what people are picking up on here is for the first time in any of our lives the american black vote is I wouldn't say its upper grabs but it's it's putting the democrats in a very dangerous position where if it's not like a smash, overwhelming we took IT all you have a lot of state that are suddenly a question mark and trumpet is making a lot of inroads among black men specifically is a trend we've seen for many years. And this year seems to be by far, uh, the best year for him on this front.

And the selection of perhaps like a black candidate would seem to be some kind of a strategy to help. But I don't think tim scots gna help. I don't think tim Scott is a guy that um is many people in general a little like black americans other than the colour ver seen.

I don't see them really relating to him. Um I I don't know that he's gonna IT for that reason and if he's not doing IT for that reason, I know why he would do IT because I don't think it's very good in a debate. Um he's not rich.

I think rilly your idea of him needing someone rich is interesting to me as well. Um he's not bankrolling his own race. He does care a lot about money. I think we saw this when the tiktok stuff happened, where he was very influential. Um he he was like, I just need cash and um I think that could be the error were in but yeah, I have no idea and I really don't. I I guess if I had if I had like A I had a pic, I would say jd just because he seems like the smart st one up there and the best one up there um but after him maybe Sarah because she's so good in a debate, I don't know.

Another thing about needing money is like all the like you know lawsuits like kids kind of drained him of a lot of resources. So like just adds to the need of needing money for the campaign trail. Um and then the the person of color thing is interesting because a lot of people making the argument of oh he needs a woman um on his ticket in order to make sure he doesn't lose the female vote but with the strides he's making in the a person of color like category IT maybe would sort of like cancel any losses you know like he would gain more male people of color to sort of cancel out and he losses he makes in the female vote is the thinking there. So I I couldn't .

see that I don't really understand the idea that I mean, i'm not convinced that women are more likely to vote for trump if he has a female running made. I don't know. I'm just not convinced, right? The lot he he already won without IT.

And I do think that Sarah, a separate from that is just like a smart she's a good person to have as a surge on the campaign trail. Um but maybe you don't need like if you just promise something crazy in in, in, in the cabinet, that's enough. I mean, she's a governor now though I don't know what I mean that a woman, I think he wants to be president.

So I I don't know if opposition in the cabinet would even be Better for her than being the governor of a state but no interesting. I'll see. So I IT is another trust one sorry, a little heavy this week um but it's really not about trump IT is about, let's say.

Uh our institutions and um the question of education a trump appears on I believe I was fox and friends about week ago now and he says among many things he is going to abolish the department of education the is so we're onna cut the department of education, let IT be run locally. We have the end department eduction and other than to have a little tiny coordination, you know be nice to make sure that everybody y's teaching, no, let them learn english OK I love this but you know what cutting the department of education, I was ready to do IT before. And then again, the cove IT.

Really, if we didn't throw money at that, you would have had a depression. We would have been under depression. I love music to my here. I've hated this thing for a long time. I've been on so of i've been piled on the abolish the department of education, uh I guess topic for maybe like fifteen or twenty years.

IT was as soon as I learned that IT actually is only IT was built in IT was established one thousand nine hundred and eighty so this is not something so people obviously lost their minds on twitter um when this clip went viral there's an idea of like, oh my god, how could we possibly a exist in this country? He's basically just getting rid public school, right? Like how do you ever even have public school? You don't have the department of education telling people what to do.

Meanwhile, like I was saying for this, is the department was created in one thousand nine hundred eighty. Today, IT has forty four h forty four hundred employees, about sixty eight billion dollars a year. And there's a question to me of what the fuck do they actually do? Uh I don't see any evidence whatsoever that they benefit the average student. Um and I think that we have a lot of problems like this in the government, just whole departments uh, where no work that is meaningful is actually done in tons of money is spent just to spend IT that movers me um not because I want the money not to be spent but because I want the school to be Better um brand in you looked into just what they actually do. I would love to know what does the department do with sixty eight billion dollars year?

Yes so this twenty twenty four is actually eighty billion, the requested ninety billion um but IT is five hundred million or less than twenty twenty three um by the numbers that i've seen um a lot of IT thirty thirty billion is going to just uh palmer's and like federal to need. So like student loans.

So that's nearly like you're nearing close to half there and there's about fifty, forty, thirty billion that goes to like special education programs and supporting schools with like low income, like low income schools and like disadvantaged kids. And then the rest goes to like research, basically like seven hundred million or so just a research and a and teacher education. So that's which we have breaks down.

I would mention that that fox and friends clear like the that segment that you pulled out or that that we saw on twitter. Um that was in the context of like he they were asking him what is he going to do to um address the federal deficit, which is crazy high right now and he so he's like, look, are gonna cut. The department of education, the department of the interior, which manages data resources and the the department of education takes about takes up about a percent of the entire a national budget. So he's not like i'm not totally sure you know if if he's targeting the right area here to to for cuts, but I that's that's basically how the numbers break down.

Yeah, I don't know that's going to solve the deficit. I know if I make the biggest thing, it's like pissing in the action. Um yeah, but I don't want the department of education to exist.

And if you're telling me that it's just charity for poor kids um then I go call the department of education, just call the department of charity. In fact, all of our Cherry programs should be in the department where it's like the department of fuck and handouts. So when we talk about these things, we can talk about them honestly.

That's what you're really saying. You're saying the average student, the act, really ninety plus person of them. We're never going to see any of this money that we're spending every year to just pump into the abyss.

Also, no one needs to go to college like most people do not need to be going to college. And that is our high level problem. Some of this stuff I also saw with student loans a they manage.

I believe the student learned that and it's that shouldn't even be a thing. okay? We should the government should not be in the business of loans whatsoever, let alone student loans, which we now know are bad for people. okay? These are long like lifelong crippling dead is what we're talking about.

And the reason is because these kids take on an unlimited amount of debt, because we believe that everybody has some kind of god given right to take on debt to go to school uh, because that exists because any poor person was no hope at all of paying this back. Um they can't declare bankrupcy they can take on any amount that they want. The schools raise their their cost of tuition.

And he just has ballooned, ballooned and balloon that entire system needs to go. And probably that begins with just having an honest conversation about like what does the average person get out of college? okay?

Like not much. Most people don't need to go to college all if you want to be really treatment, you don't need to go to college if you want to be. I was in editorial assist penguin.

I didn't have to go to college. It's crazy that they expect a college degree for that job you learn in on the job. I don't think you need to go to college to be a reporter or a writer.

I think you you need to be writing um I don't I think that we really have by incorporating college into the sort of like american dream really played ourselves and um the whole I feel like a abolishing the department of education would be a nice symbolic gesture. Uh, that would be like sort of indicating we're gona try something new. I think college is good for people who are really smart.

And do you really well in high school? There should be a hand full of, just like the best schools in the world for sure. Obviously important for things like medicine.

When you need to go, just learn a lot of shit. I think law makes sense. Lot of these advanced degrees do make sense. But no, the average person doesn't to go. And I think saying that is crazy like they should just be using that money to start a business or to buy a house.

Yeah, there's actually a bill I was looking into IT, and I saw that Thomas macy, the libertarian congresswomen, had introduce a bill last year to a owlish, the department of education.

And basically his proposal is to relocate the funding that goes to telegrams and in some other forms of financial, a they offer are to the department of the treasury and just shut down the rest of the department of education and and give states kind of complete terisa ict over uh establishing their educational guidance. Um so you know IT is it's not something that hasn't been discussing congress before. His bill, I don't think, went anywhere though. So what do .

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you know, I think that I agree that most people, people should think very carefully before going. I think it's true that colleges sell themselves as especially lead colleagues sell themselves as the ticket to like a well paying job immediately upon graduation. Um i'm not entirely sure that's that's the case anymore or whatever was really the case.

Um I mean, I know a lot of people who graduated from stanford who are still looking for jobs, for example, which is Normal for for lots of graduates um but I mean, I think it's I guess I would say the benefit I think of going to and elite school remains the fact that you meet people who can connect you to other people. It's basically like there's a networking effect that happens that I do think is important. And I think IT is annoying sometimes to see lots of people who themselves went to elledge schools and have benefited enormously from IT and are sending their kids to elite schools say, you know, we don't need we want to go to like no one needs to be going to college at all.

Um but that being said, I do think that um you know there's people should should weighs the costs because it's four it's not only just the the monetary costs, it's four years of your life that you could be doing. You know potentially more interesting things depending on your skulls set and what you want to get involved with. I mean, you could there's lots of teel fellows who who start business is what rather than going to college and they end up doing really, really well.

And I think there's a danger with IT as well where I kind of like i'm thinking about this article that came out in the new york times a few weeks ago about how like plurality of harvard students are now trying to get jobs at machines and these other consulting firms immediately after their second year of college. And that's like that is the indicator of success for them is getting into one of these consulting jobs. And basically, they're just consigning themselves.

These are really smart kids, presumed lame, who are consigned themselves to potentially a solness career and kind of like middle management. I mean, they're going to make a lot of money. But um yeah I guess all of that to say that I think I can kind of narrow your your view of of what constitutes a good career. Um you know even though there are some benefits, um that's just I think .

also I think it's true no matter what college you go to doesn't the deal when I agree, the machinery thing is very interesting and the consulting thing is very interesting and I think out of a trap and a lot of ways, but just the idea that you go to college and he gets you somewhere, I think that illusion is really damaging to Young bright people that why really that is being told by the government and biology, it's just not true.

There's no latter to success and things become very difficult if you don't have a perspective on what you want to do with your life of what you go to school. I didn't get worth going to the top schools for sure. I think if you get up to stanford, you go to stanford.

Um I think that if you get into even harbor despite the cloudy, um I think it's probably still worth going to harvard. Um I think that. You got to you get into like only like a year three year for school.

I don't know what the value is for some of these early really bloated degrees. I think you get to N Y. You it's like you probably shouldn't go unless you're just super wealthy in your parents story like bucket go party for four years.

He doesn't really matter. But did you see the clip? Actually, I ably, we didn't talk about this IT went super viral on those women, but women with their degrees not play that clip. Hi melani.

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That's crazy. Like those, I can't believe that they said that I loud first of all, I can't believe they posted IT on the internet. I can't believe here's what I really can't believe. I can't believe that i'm going to be paying for IT because all of these we are actually the women who are going to say the government should be taken care of my student loan debt.

I've a slightly different take on that, which is that I actually think those women, like some of them, we're going to very well for themselves because they are going to get into hr bureaucracies and you know they're going to become the commerce who run these nonprofits and to run these you know uh D I you know um is sort of consulting branches at firms. And I think that I mean, some of them are not going to find that kind of work.

But I do think that like this is one of the issues with so many people going to college, is you get this massive over production of people who may not have skills that warrant like good paying jobs necessarily, but who feel entitled to them. And so then there's this problem of like people have talked about this a lot, this overproduction of elites um but they're not necessarily else in the sense that they have no elite knowledges or skill sets. They're just deletes in the fact that they're like credential in a way that reads elite to us. So yeah.

I have a no doubt I agree with you. I think that they're going to be influential. I think that, that clip sort of demonstrates what has gone on in amErica over the last fifteen years that has LED us to our current position.

But I also don't think they are going to pay their student one that I think that we're gonna up doing, like I think is going to be both. I think they're to have positions of power, but they are not paying that debt back. Um did you U I see that brand dator rally? You guys see that clip, but many reactions to IT the world move on.

Ten years ago we were making fun of like safe spaces on college campuses. But then, you know, they became the H. R.

Departments at the biggest companies in america. And it's like that's not a sounded joking thing anymore. He became a lot more cynical. Ter, so yes, it's not really something to like, you know, joke about hope.

Well, the one the colony ism is like such a popular word for when you're making up your major, it's like how do we dismantle the the colony and like internalized colony ism and all of the ship and like they were very there's a very clear productive that the goal is to IT is anti western and IT is declining ism. And that is fighting to me that people are I mean, when you just pass that like you, you sort of pull IT apart and ask yourself, what does this mean? What are we really talking about here?

Um what does that mean to decolonization north america? Uh, where do the people go? What takes its place? Um I was washing the show the last season of true detective where it's like it's very it's weirdly it's knocked and uh like not even as a mystery, it's knocked and it's very walkabout ECMO it's like there's like a woke ECMO thing happening where it's like this is our island in all of this kind of stuff the idea they're like we were here first and there is very sort of like you're representing us by being here a thing what they want, they just want amErica gone.

And I think that while interesting, I guess maybe to talk about at a coffee shop um that is fundamentally a violent, terrifying world view that should be totally forbidden in polite black polite conversation I don't know why you're allowed to talk like sort of in a friendly way about a the project of moving three hundred million americans out of amErica and giving to a bunch of people who may may not be native americans. Let's be honest about most native americans that I see today. Native americans, they're looking very White to me.

okay? I know a lot of White people who are claiming jerky heritage and amount about to give them new jersey is weird. In last thoughts here.

I don't I have our time taking them seriously. I don't know that they actually believe what they what they say. This seems like a one thing to talk about in your college kid.

Frankly, I think my idea of I I think college just have value, but it's it's like if if i'm not talking about the at least schools right now, but the value is not necessary education, it's just social. So I think the problem is kind of like how we frame IT. I would be totally okay with college if IT was framed.

Like, look, we're not going to fund you. The taxpayers not gone to fund you. But what what will happen when you go to college? If you live in another state, like if you are living in the dorms, you will meet a lot of people, you will have access to sex basically, right? Like theyll be a lot of party that you can do.

Angel, you like you'll have lifting plans after that and it'll be a very unique and specific experience um that it's not gonna really set you up for your future in uh in from from a career perspective. But there is like some is a lot of value. And I think being involved, like like leaving your hometown, you know being alone, right? Like you have to go to this dormer, this this college, this college town and you don't know anybody in your forced to meet a lot of people and like sort of make a community with, like your fellow classmate to ight.

I think that is cool, but I don't know that it's I don't know that you need to do that to have a high paying job. I know you definitely don't have to do that right? Is just a different.

different thing. Um while I was watching that video, you can not help but wonder who these women were taught by really who is their professor and one such likely candidate a boston university would have been Candy um so what do you take me? The Candy had quite Candy has had quite the fall from Grace. Um there was recently, I believe in your k times profile that we can talk about what do you break down whats going on with with our our good friend the sort .

of president of anti racism yeah I mean you guys will probably remember him from twenty twenty which was the last time I think he was really a prominent maybe two thousand twenty one prominent the national consciousness and discourse but he pioneer anti racist theory um or you should have brought IT into the mainstream around the time of of black lies matter to the the uprising and with everyone to call twenty twenty um he basically he's a professor um I think he his specific area of study uh what is an entire races activist I think he's professor of african american studies um yeah but he basically around the time of twenty twenty I think IT was in june he joined boston university um and began this center for entiring ist studies um and this was and he also got an and doud chair that previously belonged to, uh what's his name uh l viso I actually don't know how to pronounce .

the auto of night. He was a huge I went about university. He was a huge deal. There he is like piece the celebrity .

of you yeah l wise all I think he is but he's author of night very famous a holo cost arrive and author um and Kenny got his his indulge ir um and this center a massed an enormous amount of funding in like a year and half jack dorsey donated ten .

million dollars not jack not like this.

Tons of people donated money and around the same time can I came out with this book um how to be an anti racist which became a york times best seller for weeks IT actually sold out on amazon around the time that came out um he went like on speaking tours with Robin di Angelo he released who authored um wasn't him for book that was .

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is IT wait for gilty waite, fragile ity yes wait fragile ity I can fully we forgot that but but kenyan and roman d Angelo sort of went on on torts together um and he came out with a children's book and he races baby he came out with god I had a list of of all the stuff he came out with at the time he had a just tons of like a collection of a deck of cards and a racist playing cards he really ascended and ultimately this center a mass almost fifty million dollars in funding almost overnight um and a few months ago a story came out where IT was revealed that Candy had laid off like over half of the employees at the center and they were gone to restructure radically and some of his you know laid off former employees had spoken to the press and said.

Oh you know he's he's this control phy who gets mad when ever you criticize him. And they talked about like really bad working conditions at the centre. Um and so this had sort of Sparked um uh gloating I guess from like the Chris roofs of the world who are like Kenny is a fraud whatever anyway so be you his employer a and the you know owner of the center does this aud IT uh to see if there's any financial mismanagement and the order IT finds that there isn't um though I will say that like wouldn't all IT what this audit was looking at was really just are the grants being properly accounted for? And you know have you falsified information about how much money you're uh receiving or who is going to that kind of like stuff? It's not it's not necessarily you know people keep bring up the fact that he's been like EXO pated by this audit but really it's just just looking .

at was looking for crime, not the stupidity.

right? The dit was looking for crime yeah um so you know this comes out a few months ago and then this week, uh new york magazine, york times magazine, sorry, different application uh comes out with this article um called iram x Candy faces a reckoning of his own and it's this really, really long profile of him ah that is very, very glowing I mean it's almost hegel graphical I think um we're basically you know the the author of the piece says, you know even Candy, he's a very like introspective withdrawing scholar who know his seminal idea basically is that you can separate policy into racist or anti I racist categories um and you know he's been misunderstood by his critics and you know even Candy participates in this piece and says, you know we just got so much funding at once and then IT thried up after the pandemic and and our restructuring into these these short fellowships rather than permanent jobs um but all of this kind of obscure the fact that this center did have access some of IT was tied up in an endowment in, but they had access to tens of millions of dollars for the past you know three and half years and they've produced almost no research.

I am I was on their website a few a few hours ago and they've got like a defunct sort of COVID tracking um uh data panel. They came out actually this might be interesting for u sana. They have a an entire racism and tech project um and they've just published yeah and they've just publish the peace um well I don't know if I was just publish IT was published recently the this is called racial and equality and organizations a system psychodynamic perspective this is one of like a handful of papers they published um where the premises we treat White men as the dominant group in black people, as the architect al subordinate group in society in us society in our theory work context that conflict marit with idea alizad images of White masculine d provoke unconscious distress and White men who inspired to meet these ideals. Um so it's this like sort of psychosocial analysis they're saying like it's bad for White .

people is what they're trying to say like White the economic graph is not for White man yeah I think that they .

basically saying White men feel that their self forth is threatened by a black people, I guess. Um and so one of the reasons they clean so strongly to there um position in the hierarchy is because they're having this like you know psychos social fear reaction.

I don't know, what do you guys think do you feel? How do you feel rightly invented in your world wide? Man, i'm a guy. I don't feel afraid, but I don't know. Also, I have spanish shop, technically a spanning, and then might be the reason I don't feel afraid.

Sounds like a psychos show me the White man and all show you the psychosocial distress .

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I mean, I guess I guess I wouldn't know right like I and I wouldn't any idea. So to, I guess I need Candy to tell me, and the racist baby or whatever.

maybe all I think that he really cared about this. You would quit and semi an application of a black woman to replace you as fuck. And unbelievable, in twenty four, you are still working.

You are still A B, B. In two thousand, thousand and four, there are people in africa are starving. This is unreal. Riley, as a White man, respond.

Does how much millions of dollars went into this article? Sari, doesn't that they got so much in our crazy?

Yeah, it's I think that to go back on the earlier point, which was like sudden he raised this where obviously is a quiet when you blow through fifty million dollars, the natural question and it's not I A full fifty, how much should totally blow through.

So he didn't actually yet thirty million of that is tied up in an endowment that they can access. IT looks like they were able to access from that thirty million three blocks us, like one point two million of that a year. And then they also had access to the remaining twenty million or so, but the university has been very cagey about.

I guess there were like specific guidelines for projects they could use that money for um and the university hasn't disclosed what those guidelines are. Um they do mention them in the audit. So IT was yeah probably at most twenty million dollars but certainly tens of millions of dollars were used um you .

know to fund so you see that in your natural question is what did Candy like? What vacation home did Candy buy with that money? Um but it's he's not a criminal, you know it's not like to be an women who are actually using that money to fund a lavish lifestyle um it's like his his Candy beliefs in this dumps that he says uh and he's authentically not very bright which is how he blew the money.

And so you do this audit and you look at where did the money go and when he's just bad at this and he just like that's what happens when you're bad with money and don't really know what you're doing. Um money just vapor ates. It's like this is how when people win the lottery, they almost always lose all the money because the average person who wins the lottery is not very bright and um there's a reason that they are poor.

Uh, like I guess some people have a different rate. Maybe it's like some people really have a reason to be poor beyond just the raw aptitude, but the average person that was a lottery is like super neca with money and blows at all and is is impoverish by the end of that process. And sad, right? So like very similar, I think, to the Candy thing. He sort of won the lottery.

He was doing this shit right at the moment that amErica lost its month and over um the police stuff specific, but I think I was like the police stuff caged inside of covet why I was a very unique moment in american history that hopefully will never see again and he was there I was like right person, right time I was like, you know he and that was that he saw his money from i'm sure he's living a great life I mean, he's got the book stalls in all that stuff. Whatever happened to rob in though, is that one was very suspicious to me. How is a White woman in in twenty? How how did he become the face of anti racism? Are very suspicious. I don't have allowed .

IT to happen on her website right now. IT looks like he has a White affinity group cause some White supreme. This thing, a way of indi group course happening from this August to this october.

I can stop and back up. Person, you telling me that he has a group running where you have to be White to enter. I by my, I will go fucking bananas if this woman has group that you can only enter if your White.

let's say he is god this pressure is like so difficult to navigate um yeah I think it's only for White people. It's the ultimate goal, raising White consciousness and equipment White people to engage in entire racist action. Um you will learn the foundational framework, understanding racism group DNA ics how to move from passivity and self focus to accountants and action. I think I mean, IT seems completely and it's based on a street a book on strategies for leading White people in entire racist practice. So I don't see anyone other side up to this damn .

ah he is like congratulations on the novel new reinvention of literal racism. Robin, she's I feel like she's way more in city is in Kenny, who again, I feel like is not very bright and very earnest. I think that that's a woman who I don't trust, but she's gone.

Now we have also really focus on on her and IT. Is this sort of ongoing? I think look back at the last few years, as in where is like men, what the fuck was going on?

I think some people talking about the new york times, the new times magazine piece and they were saying this is actually it's actually a piece if you look close enough, like, yes, it's very glowing and and it's like obvious IT looks like this puppy but you would have to do that in new york times. Is magazine the quote from like bu saying there was this brutal quote. What did you have the quote?

So ah boston university provided significant financial administrative support to doctor Candy in the center. Doctor Candy did not always accept the support in hindsight and with full in knowledge of the organizational problems that arose, the university should have done more to insist on additional oversight um and they then go on to say, you know several different models were discuss with doctor Candy um however, his preference that viva you know whether or not they should uh have these massive layoff s and his preference was determinate the ongoing projects and asked the founders three purpose the .

funds for his new endeavor yeah that to me is how do we tell the truth? It's very strauss's the stassen read of this profile is we got a distance ourself from this clown shit. It's bad, especially we have enough problems with bion running as the president like we have to not have any of the clown from the last election hoping around distracting us from the mission, which is to keep there.

I think their real mission is just just have political power, I think all about that. But that's that are moving on from the sad story of the president of D I. I would you want to just have one really quick thing um I want to talk very, very briefly about the spaceship elland spaceship brain history has been made. Tell us a little little bit .

yeah thursday space ex launched its forest starship, which is a thirty story rocket and this is like the rocket that they're gonna use to take people to mars. They say um the first three launches were are were successful by many metrics but didn't achieve what the fourth did. So today the um the rocket was able to launch into orbit, uh reenter without blowing up and IT IT landed IT IT was able like flip over in land right side up in the indian ocean based is demonstrating that um this thing is actually gonna work and they're going to be able to reuse the starship uh to get us tomorrow. So this is like a huge deal this morning. Um if you watch the videos, the super inspiring of the of the actual launch, it's always so it's like actually like start tearing up when I start when I hear the employees of space acts like screaming and like yelling in ecstasy every time like a like you know there's a milestone in the launch reached um the launch is about nine minutes long and yeah just like a really big deal and they're going to test again soon, i'm sure but just a successful worth launch .

the starship media reaction .

media reaction of the A P. They let the charge today in their headline with spaces access mega rocket complete test flight without exploding. So my headline would have been like, we're going to mars, mother fuckers.

So they are getting back to you. I mean, they've really every time spaces launched a test and I blew up, which is expected IT was just like, yes, basex explosion. Like, yeah, on in tears. This is the end.

yeah. So the after the first launch, which was successful by elan's metrics, wired covered IT with the headline space excess starship explodes during first orbar test flight. Again, this was actually a really big deal.

They had never put the starship on top of the super heavy booster, and they did that. And then they flew IT like all in one go. This is like a major success.

Elan like didn't. Elan was like there's maybe a hundred percent chance of success. So IT goes up where to on IT. Um the second launch IT made IT to orbit um wired again covers that with space access starship lost shortly after launch of second test flight.

So I think I mean this is like par for the course at this point, not to use a class, but you know like anything that elon does. The mainstream media will attempt to mission from the public about very much. And this is how are doing IT. But it's going .

to be happening on our on our way to mars. We're going to be hearing about the failures. And I think specific if mars does become a more serious likelihood, what we're really going to start getting her all of the antiques takes.

It's going to be anti mars political opinion. It's going to be a antimatter sentiment. We shouldn't doing this for the following reasons. That very abstract question, I think, is going to become much more motivating um and that is a fight for another day. We have a drop coming one week from today, so get ready for IT.

You can have our first piece of of pirates e swag um and until then just have a great week as I have a great weekend first and then a great week and come on back tell your friends to wash this show, we have to grow this thing um rate review, I really mean that that stuff helps like be liking and commenting. Come on, let's blow this thing up. Thanks for listing in guys. We'll see next week.