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It's kind of strange to be building a media company while the rest of them completely evaporate.

They kind of bring on themselves. I was the second woman and a person of color who got laid off the resurrection of the job sort of daily show. He's kind of an incoming, and he is a little differently .

at lost a lot of fans.

Barbie Oscars control. I don't know .

if we if I watch the same movie as these people and guy, I was great. But this is the battery artist being so.

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Uh or related, I should say it's kind of strange to be building immediate company while the rest of them completely evaporate. Um I don't mean to be smiling either. I'm not like online.

I think there's a huge there's excitement every time our journalist loses their job. And I think it's because a lot of people just I don't think that I know that I mean, the polling right there, a lot of people is really fucked and hate journalists. They feel like they're being talked down to.

They feel like they're being lied to, massive erosion of trust, which we can get into in a second. But just the bear bones details of what's going on. Uh, brady, you want to break down all of IT was media is always taking else. This week was last two weeks really have been completely benevent yeah um we were .

going to talk about the l times but I I just remembered where to illustrated last week laid off their entire staff so that magazine is I guess, dead no, it's yet just crazy. I mean, sports illustrated that has at least thirty or thirty year history as a as a media company. I think I don't know how how love goes back. You know this is like a real legacy institution.

You have this, your sport illustrated, you have the l times. And then this morning you have yeah business insider so it's it's like a crazy just slashing of jobs across the board um la times so are you taken away? This is like where the draw comes in.

which I do love. Yeah so two days ago tuesday, twenty percent of the newsroom was was laid off uh, at the L A times um the D C. Bureau's seems to be very significantly gutted. The bureau's ef got fired too, got laid off, I should say and you were saying sona people sort of tended dancing graves of laid off journalists as of recently. And I agree, I think that's bad, but I would just note that they kind of bring on themselves.

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I beat the D. C. Achieve when SHE so SHE just I SHE treated today, or after SHE was laid off SHE SHE tweet something like, I was the second woman and a person of color who got laid off like that was the subject SHE was the subject of her tweet about getting let off, obviously. And our gender, and I don't know, other other day, I thinks .

this is specifically a gender of tweet. The brand and hates he kites. I think everybody is about themselves.

Yes, that's true, right? I don't like you to be the side of give your own tweets. I don't want to read about you yeah you know you read tweet like that not just about yourself, but you know where she's saying I was the second woman to have ever been the deity like great.

But what's behind that is a total of refusal to actually think about what's going on in your industry and how you might be implicated. I'm sorry about the dc bureaux. Ef did not get fired because he was a second woman that was ever the know.

It's this and I think that's frustrating to for people to see. And I think that kind of brings on this reaction will like for people to be like, no, it's sentiments like these that may have like ultimately LED to impart you being laid off for your company, having to do this. Laos S I don't think it's a crazy connection to make anyways. Okay, so let just go through the the brief briefly go through the L A times walk out sas firing ago. Yeah.

the strike I just want to tear up because like for me before the idea that okay, so you have catering revenue, you have people are not reading the L A types. They are certainly not reading you know their business reporting or their dc reporting. Um people are reading news in general.

They're not reading mainstream news in general. They're specifically not reading the L A types. And in response to this, the the the people running the company who have to make the company profitable, being like here we have to lay people off the union is like the writers unions that will actually you can fire us because we are going on strike.

Like what the fuck you think that not going to work is going to fix this? I don't understand. I do not. I like genuinely don't understand what their thinking.

It's actually kind of genius because you can't fire people on strike, like it's a labor law. So it's probably like they like you can't fire, you don't have to pay them, but you can't fire them. So they're like, well, I bet I don't know how long as I work for I mean, I guess that maybe i'll keep your help insurance on for a couple of months.

But this, just to IT, was a one day worktop. Age was a symbolic gesture. So they walked out the first newsroom, union worktop, aged in one hundred and forty two years. Three hundred people walked out.

They sent a letter, and they publish IT online to the management um demanding what at least one insane thing which was that they wanted Better bio packages of up to a year of pay after getting laid off. Um yeah. It's like, what's that to he wrote about the money, the money, the monetary.

I I think I was about my my parents as a kid saying, like mi doesn't grow trees and they they some people just don't grow up. I've been thinking about a child, this sort of essential child, this of all week, like they they really don't seem to understand that they are because the phrase, one of the journalists are not one of journalists responsible, but one of the journalists in the sort of like panda journalists to drive me insane on twitter, talked about the fact that there's like some a billionaire, I think orange the only times, or something like this, like this billion aire is a billionaire.

He could and should actually to subsidize the important work of the L A times like he doesn't matter that they're losing money, he has unlimited money. And so he should pay all of these journalists indefinitely. And like they the phrase like they're doing valuable work was employed and it's like it's not it's literally not valuable.

It's not valued. Work is not IT work is not valuable unless someone finds IT valuable unless other people like, hey, the work you're doing is essential to my life. And the problem here is that the la times is not producing work like that.

The L A times is not actually producing work that people need in their lives. And it's like if you're not valued by your readers so you don't have readers who value your work you and you did historically, I think you need to do some soul searching. Now a lot of this is macrospace.

It's like you have um you have the social media element. You have the fact that you these giant platforms that have swallow up all advertising revenue and driven people onto those platforms to try and sell their work. Yes, it's like media isn't upheld cline, but you also have a kind of golden egypt b scription. But really valued media entities like for example, in your times, which is has never been uh, maybe IT has been slight. I I can't remember that was a little bit more valuable at the height of trump just on the stock market side.

Uh, and in terms of pace descriptions, but i'm i'm pretty tired as more pay subscribers now than ever before in history and uh are are paid allies ed subscribers and that to me is is just it's evidence that there is a way this is difficult and the way that you uh build up an audience of loyal readers is you have to establish trust with them. I think that's the high level problem the other times is facing. And just sort of crying about the fact that people will give you money for no reason is not the way to build trust that is not inspired. Trust in me as a reader that you know how the world works, let alone are able to actuate report on IT specifically .

on the only thing, I think it's a little bit disingenuous the way people have been saying that twenty percent of the news room got laid off because IT gives the average reader the sense that like, suddenly there's going to be no reporters covering breaking news stories and most Angeles and like going to be this truth of information and knowing is going to know it's going on.

But osberne was saying, when you look at who was laid off, IT was the washington bureau, right? And like obviously those dozens of other mainstream media outlets that are covering the same things that people at the washington burrow of the old times are doing. Um IT was like photo and media people and i'm sure that now with the advent social media there's just a lot of citizen journalists doing that same kind of work. And then IT was their sports section and their daylight section, which is their .

which I I actually am .

someone who reads the only times every week, not of my own volition but because I skin IT for dolorous park and they lose enough people. Take a look at IT is just this like really bizarre r identity politics stuff, where they sort of talk about how, you know, White people are responsible for making latino people feel like Ortiz aren't healthy. This is a real article that came out weeks .

ago health .

breaking gender boundaries, breaking gender boundaries and lattin dance. And it's like this is work that actually has such a limited audience. I would imagine basically just the people who write the stories and they're like few friends. Um so it's not I just think that like they're really cutting off fat when they're doing these layoffs. This is not even it's not even the case that a lot of their breaking news people are being laid off.

but you also have these huge impossible trends that we're dealing with. We and we should so tell the rends um our favorite a gave a monologue M A sort of the disaster that is facing media right now and IT went viral online um on on twitter where people mostly made fun of her and I think they did so because of one line in there where he said journalists are important and they just personally hate her and don't find her work to be valuable which I understand their coming from I am personally a huge gantt iller but I get where other people sort of part ways would be there everything he said was correct like SHE accurately diagnosed the problem that media is first of all the fact that IT is a crisis um the fact that media is completely got IT the fact that the entire humidity ecosystem that all of us will drink me in brand and came up in uh is totally gone vaporous um the fact there are there are less job than never in media and the fact that journalism as like a concept which is something that I really would love to talk you guys about right now it's like why don't think Taylor said this part like journalism as a concept this kind .

of um IT .

made is completely vanish uh but I think SHE kind of walked us there. That is significant. But whether or not journalists have dropped the ball as a class of people over the last temple of years, which I think that you know, in aggregate, they have though in the particulars there, of course, have been many good journalists who have reported actually, really on things that we're happening and got in trouble for trying to report the truth.

You know, we often talk about the hand by and laptop story being impressed. And IT gets rolled up in this like, well, the media islands us. A in conclusion, with twitter, I know I talk with this myself, but the story was written by a journalist.

They work for the year. They are close. They do work for their name on IT. But there were there are people in media who do things that are good sometimes. And uh, in fact, you know we a lot of what I do for the industry news letter is aggregation of news. I'm going in finding other people's reporting on things like you do need to have this like sort of first record of things and I don't know what the world looks like.

There's so little money in media now that I I really don't know I don't know how we're going to learn about stuff ah, especially I think about like scheme of the kind of reporting you do where you sit down in, you listen to a whole uh stupid board of like supervisors meeting in san Frances. O um like no one wants to do that uh, if they are rocking paid for IT, it's fucking miserable. And um it's like what happens when you don't know? It's like I think the big things really be covered for a while, but what happens when when all of those little things are not? And in fact, I guess maybe the next question is just like, well, you know how aren't we already living in this world and small towns across america? Um you know people are reporting in every single tama exist.

So I think local news have been shot down forever. These trends are also predate social media. We've been seeing a decline, the leadership of the news for many decades.

Um so I don't know. I think it's like it's certains a problem. It's been a problem for a while uh and I do wonder what the next thing is going to look like. So I don't know ah you what do I say is like one, is this an important thing? Does that not matter making much to do of nothing um and two, what's next what replaces the current machine?

I agree. I think it's important to .

have like sort of detailed.

sometimes even boring stories about like what's happening in city council or you know things are happening around town, local politics, stuff like that because sometimes you can become part of something bigger. Um you know I can help you understand, you know a bigger story done wine. Um it's good for the historical record. Like I think it's all important. It's just um it's a very profitable in time against IT is a question of whether or not like the market should decide necessarily always what like important new stories are um I personally don't think you should uh I think there's a lot of good things that come out that are you know if you are a billion or maybe you should just fine the light times like you know by groups, people always done us like we are literature and all that you .

know that is interesting. And I I if I were actually a billionaire, rather than just a sort of Lori billionaire twitter, I would do this. However, what like all of these people are all of the same class. Like another concurrent problem in media is the I D ological consolidation of viewpoints within media. So you can buy the la times.

And it's like, great, you are a billionaire now you have employed a bunch of people who are the kinds of people who go on strike when the economic realities of their own company that they don't understand have forced management into trimming the fat and dot really kind of understand the world like is the work that they were doing really worth protecting? How many people are? It's like some of those things are important.

But um I don't know. I wouldn't want to buy. I wouldn't want to I don't know that I ouldn't to buy the only news.

Yeah, I won't buy the L A news room by like the like dying newspaper of some like medium size, like midwestern town or something, but does a lot of a lot.

right, not just one by one like a dentist.

And so you could probably buy what you know so that I love.

I mean, I think, yeah, I do. That's like, it's like your civic duty to buy a small newspaper in a town that I don't know the name of.

But no, I mean, like this stuff like that is important. I don't think that I like there are like towns and stuff now. Like I not even like super small, like five hundred people towns, but like you know, towns of like fifty thousand people that don't have a newspaper and like that probably ly not good.

I thought a couple uh, back in boston, uh, when I was to school, I briefly intern at a place on the weekly dig, and I take a small alternative press in the city and one of the writers there went on to move to some small like mountain town in I think he was upset new york and SHE her wife tried to just do this to like just equal living out of reporting local news for this town like a sort small town um because he believed in the importance of of this and like you said, you there are towns that just don't have a point at all um he felt obviously is IT doesn't work economically.

IT doesn't work. People do not value IT and it's like you I wonder sometimes if it's one of these things that we just value. And and so it's where blinded perhaps to some other maybe more important version of this like like do we not need IT maybe .

as much as we think that we do?

What happens if we just don't have this kind of reporting at all? City all, what about what really happens?

Yeah I mean, I think a lot of people my senses is a lot of people just don't anna pay for media. And if they don't pay, then you know these small companies are going to go out of business like if everyone in in you know fifty thousand percent towns was willing to pay, I don't know, you know, fifty box a year or something, you could probably have a small newspaper Operating the reporting on local news stories.

Um I think that my senses, a lot of the irony I think of like a critique from some of these social justice people about mass later. These media companies like and and local news you know organization shutting is a lot of them don't really seem to care about local news stories because they're so fixated on things happening you know worldwide and there's kind of you know the cause to shore, whatever. Um so my sense is like, you know as river was saying, it's sort of unsexy reporting that matters if you care about you know local infrastructure, local crime, if you're invested in a place IT really matters. But if you're not and you're just sort of content to sort of care about whatever the global headline is, then yeah there is no reason free to fund IT.

I didn't watch Taylors' video but IT sounds like she's also I don't know she's describing the death of journalism or the death of the traditional business model that supports journalism. Just using the local the local newspaper example, you know .

advertisers .

now value local newspapers way less two in in addition to readers. And I think the reason you know from a certain perspective is pretty simple. Um thirty forty years ago there was there were very few sources of information about about the world and the newspaper was a significant compliment to what you could hear on the radio and see on the T V.

And so a lot of people would be interested in reading that and advertisers would be interested in advertising um know whatever they whenever ver they needed to advertise on the paper because a lot of people had to read the newspaper to understand what was going on. And that model is obviously not you know it's completely over um because you can get your information basically anywhere today. So I think that that that's the reason why we're seeing this just very broadly, this change in in the market in in, in what the industry looks like.

We talked about this a lot of context of substances, sort of the new media merage in early two thousands, when subscriptions were framed, when we were in the middle of a service like a new media wave. And the advent of subscription based new media companies were seen as a primitive, in some sense, like a step backwards.

But the truth is no one has ever paid for news of the advertisers have paid for news and um you know your cost of of the newspaper could could not cover IT uh could probably not cover the paper that is printed on let alone um let and supporting the entire staff of people generating whose and without that advertising is just going to die for sure like definitely the old lead metal worker subscription based news companies. And the only way someone's gna pay for subscription is if they fucking love you and that's why you see something like the daily why are working really well? Subscriptions and the near types, which represents more the air time is not just does generate news great news um in addition to a lot of shit but he also was an identity thing.

You know people want to be associated with the brand of the near times. They want to be the kind of person who reads the near times. Um and that is just there are very few people who can build a company like that.

So I guess the question is what is the future of what is the future of news? And he feels like, I mean, we have it's like things are not feeling this attention gap. We have tiktok going viral every single day that are new stories, you know, like your twitter and you have tiktok and your facebook of people is basically saying shit.

And I don't know, I wanna kind of look back and be like we're sort of in a place the same place that we were the eighteen century or something um maybe the early nineteen century, but this this is not that because we live inside of the information now and there's more of IT than ever um and it's really low quality and uh most people are really stupid so they fall for everything. Um that is a strange new environment for us and I don't have navigated I do know one man who is going to help us navigate and his name is john steward. We should talk about the return, the resurrection of the john start of the daily show branded I know you are a huge band of his. Can you break the story down for us?

I was a huge, I was a huge fan. I don't know that I am anymore. He's not only coming back for one night a week. I think on the daily show, you know, around twenty and ten he was actually he was an insurgent in the in the media system he was up against a culture that was still quite influenced by, I would say like hard right conservative conservatism um if you will but now that he's kind of an income combat and he he hits, he is little differently and I think he's lost a love. A lot of fans for that reason.

I think the media was always super left left. And so I think culture was still controlled by the left. Even at that time though, there were some real dogs in the fight.

I think the gay rights, for example, was IT very different place. Um but in general, the only value I ever I used to like him as well when I was Younger. And I I think that was his public because I was more n left leaning when I was Younger.

And then also um this media criticism, which was interesting to me IT was sort of breaking down the way that news happened, was fascinating to watch. But as he said, now he is a combat in that system. It's like he used to do this sort of.

He played this game where he pretended that he was not delivering news. He was just a comedian. He famously did this when he took down tuck carson on CNN.

There is a just absolutely in media is a quite famous moment where he goes on to, I think he was called crossfire. IT was tucker and the other left leaning guy on the show. And he tells tucker to his face that he's destroying america.

This before talker was actually influential. This is when tucker was a nobody on cna. Like you, like some people washed them.

He had very different from politics, and he basically ended tucker's career, we thought, until he rose again from the ashes like the fucking in phoenix, and took over right media. Of course, in hand sight steward was always doing the exact same thing the talker carlson was doing. They're both talking about the news in the media.

Um so just had some installation from from that because he got to use on on the comedy show. He's my comedy channel. So now we kind of know how the game is played.

He comes back on was IT H B O. Or he just had to show and totally fails. He's he's no longer he's no longer speaking in a way that feels new and fresh and Young. He's speaking in a way that we have heard people talk in the media now for twenty years.

Um in fact, everybody who is on T V sort of sounds like him to a extent, certainly everybody Young and uh, I don't know this doesn't hit the same way he doesn't like you say, like I get you agree with the part of about the compensate thing. It's like just fully is on the side of the machine. How can he possibly critique? It's a giant question mark and he feels like a bizarre walk backwards for like how do people in me do not understand this? Um just to .

give him a little bit credit he he was IT seemed like the first public figure to on the left to come out and say that covered least from a lab.

Science has in many ways helped ease the suffering of this pandemic. Which was more than likely caused by science. The disease is the same name as the lab. That's that's just a little too wear, do you think? Yes, was trying to stop in.

Are you crazy? Like do you not see what is happening here? Is so obvious that I came from the fuck and copy factory like why are we pretending um I was shocking and there was a role for me there with that happened before he show came back, which is why I thought he show.

I don't know what I deleted myself into really thinking the show was going to be great. I thought he was going to come in. He was going to do with both sides, bro.

Typical stick. But he was going to accurately speak some truth to power on the left as well as the right. And he didn't do that at all.

You know. He was he was defending he was defending child gender transition, sex changes and ship. And it's like that is like, I mean, I understand staying out of that conversation. I don't understand taking up a partisan position in that conversation in a sort of straightforward, obvious way when I don't know there is just that is something that is so completely is a topic that is so completely controlled by the people in power that you would think I know you wouldn't be maybe necessarily just jumping up to defend you know, people in charge if you're saying that you you're speak to power guy which just yeah he's not .

anymore yeah I mean he's like a ginx lob who was trying to be like he was like actually well that which means I have to be like, you know or no ying I me really like the only like gene lib tard left is um so on which is why like family guys still funny because he'll still make like you know a tranto oker whatever like even know is obviously like had you know had picked trumps evil or whatever. Like he still fun here because is so I don't know he was like IT was like a different error. No family I was I mean like ah he was making like chicks with john was making like chicks with textures and always like told me you know they should like you, like your twelve old kind of I did it's it's crazy.

you know yes just too straight for it's boring. It's like we don't need for Johnson all need john's um I I want to talk within last thoughts on on uh john b his latest effort to resort itself.

I would just say I don't really see the rule for late night shows any more. Honestly, amin, viewership has been decreasing significantly in the past few years. And I think john Stuart was kind of if like if you think about when he was at his peak in the two thousands, the competition was like jay leno and David letter men and john n. Stuart was kind of like this breath fresh air um and he was funny and he was doing something a little bit different. But I just I almost feel like this is a sort of media paradise that's on its last legs as well.

That is interesting, and I think definitely true. We we I I wonder if there's some weird sense we all have about we all kind of know that the media is different, but we don't want to believe IT because we don't like the new thing is, is my sense of this. I think we really kind of what there to be. I certainly know that I want there to be a show that we all watch.

I want there to be some kind of news that we all receive and and react to in some way, even if he was a binary system, was two people who disagree, but we all read them or something, some kind of basic level of commonality among every american, right? Like there was something really cool about watching, uh, the finale of survivor, really like like survivor, right? Everybody talks about IT and now we're kind of we're all passively in dressing means that we receive and laugh and probably laugh about.

Probably everyone does see that would be forget about them. The second that we're done watching them and a doesn't really have any kind of cultural impact is just like a information bombards daily in quantities that are on imaginable to would have been on imaginable to our grandparents, even let alone our great great grandparents qualities, information that we are not designed to consume um and then IT passes through us and nothing changes, maybe be like slightly evolved in some direction that i'm not even really sure of myself. It's like we recognized that the current with the ecosystem is not healthy. Um yeah we have no way out a bit and and so that's why we clean to people maybe maybe like john steward, it's not him that certainly is not him that we miss, certainly is him that we need. It's like what we miss is a time when all of our friends watched the daily show and talked about IT after I think it's I think we .

we do kinder. It's just fractionalized. It's broken up in the smaller groups of people. And you're right, that happens quicker and the clips are shorter right now. Pag a kim cap pag lia, like everybody on on my on my twitter, on my teapot, not of a missing that correctly, but at everybody sickout paglia, because there's like three clips that are going very well like that's the that's the daily show. You fight for .

workers anyway, there's just no way to how if I call up my sister right now, are my mom and I say, hey, that those viral packed.

it's fractured. There's no way it's fractured. It's different groups of people now. And the information is not cross .

cooking where there is one of her, there's one of her. She's doing like a cooking show. It's like all you like put the White in in whatever and the host is like.

So what do you think that I forget like maybe IT was a benign I feel like I was a question about the recipe or something and policy is like, oh, because there are no modern there there are no modern uh, role models for the american upper medal class White woman. And that he goes into this like for intellectual conversation casually while learning, like a homemakers down before, like like a little roast or something, absolutely bananas. And you serve this magnificent planner with A A fresh Green salad and an a nice loaf of telling, but in some red wine and IT is devon.

And it's easy and it's quick, quick and save is looking. Now we have just a few minutes and you why you think we have so many problems with eating with food, american family food. There's a major crisis in the White middle class female sex role.

Now, working class women, african american or a ata or talent. They don't have this problem, right? And Billy mia are indeed everywhere they are, epidemics.

And on the elite ite ivy campuses, SHE is awesome. I know river is like a huge, super fast. Do IT do IT to us.

Polly is great. I mean and if you like, I mean she's been having a resurgence for a while like he was he did like she's kind of dispute for like the past four or five years like in person uh her clips have so like circulated um but every time he puts a book out uh sh'll do like a media circus and then shall kind of like go back into hiding and read another book um uh I mean SHE sexual percent I is like a masterpiece at 我 eight hundred pages long um but he was like the first really like the first like victim of like campus cancel culture I like he was sexual persona would just like this super like dance book they called her like families were like oner hitler and all kinds of stuff because you are saying like um if women and society we'd still be living in mudholes uh .

but it's .

all like about White men and women and like how like men like symmetry and they like like to like build things .

and whatever and it's some .

IT was it's really um it's really interesting how like he was like the prototype and like how he's like still popular bye when he was also showed like in the nineties what happens when you can somebody who is interesting。 Which is that like you just make them blow up because like her social al percent I was published by like princeton university professor, something that was like only supposed to be really red by like academics.

But IT was ending up like uh the english department. I like a lead schools were like um putting up like you know members and staff saying, like this book is help Larry and you shouldn't read IT and always should and so people wanted to read IT and then I became of that seller and now he is. No that's why he was on the fucking cooking channel of or through .

network this manling feminism before an audience of millions while bracing beef IT looks like to me, yeah, not. Do you have thoughts?

I mean, I like polio. I've skim some of her writing. I don't have any. I mean, I think that what's funny to me about hers is that she's in some way kind of the more articular egor version in many ways of Jordan Peterson and yet did not blow up in the same way that he did um which I don't necessarily think as much to do with the fact that choose a woman or anything like that.

I think it's just that she's not SHE wasn't sort of on social media in the same way that he was at the time that he sort of burst onto the scene and he was involved in the sort of gender pro on stuff in canada. But yeah I mean, I think she's she's worth reading. Um yeah.

I don't know what communal parity would say about bran john, the mortal al man, but I do want to talk you guys about a peace that we publish a part wars. H this week did an interview with brand john, the city dict war of brain tree, the former CEO brain tree sold IT for hundreds of millions of dollars, kind of went quiet for a while there with a bunch of crazy personal stuff, including his own deep, dark depression, uh, which he kind of came out of with a mission to arrest the human aging process.

What I found fascinating about this top the reason I want to cover this and write about ryan um what they are, handful of reasons that I think that the first thing was everybody hated him. I I ideologies. So right when people hated him, laughing ing.

People hate to him, the media hated him. My own friends, in some of my sort of quiet signal shots, could not and still cannot stand him. And that always is interesting, different, like every illustrative of actual, you know like a mass murder or something.

But you're to saying something that doesn't have a an ideological home. That's cool. What is at least is interesting.

I want to learn more. He is part of a trip space of intellectuals. I want to say who believe that death should be a choice that you should not have to die.

That is a really super sive controversial idea, and IT has been for my entire life is hard to think about. You need york say it's impossible. Aging is something that has to happen.

You have all of these weird hacks that you build up in your own mind to prove this to yourself you know it's either it's god or it's you know limited out of resources or we need Young people to take over new ideas or whatever it's not natural is used by people on all sides of the eye and um and yet nobody wants to actually die if given the opportunity you would look both ways before you cross uh age and ninety you're not hoping to die um so what is IT about this idea to go on a journey with your own body to experiment? Um what is IT that sets people off ground floor? And then um I guess then there there's a question of brian just and himself who is using the internet successfully to kind of control himself to the front pages by being open about everywhere experimented and is uniting his body is so you have of two things so you have like the weird self experimenting and you have the concept of a of not wanting to die itself. Um I think you just follow this is at all even have any thoughts .

on on the mortgage yeah I mean I I think that a lot of IT is a sort of duck death is the grey lizer, right? We all die. And when you have like billionaire who we're like, no, we're not going to do that. We will be unequal even, you know and we're going to get rid of the one thing that is universe a sole just die like the one that like you can't take IT with you or whatever. And like I think maybe that a lot is .

I me because in its time, I guess is maybe .

partly like classical. And and I think part of IT also is just you're seeing like a sort of hubris and these people that a lot people find uh off putting. I mean, I think that I find him personally kind of like entertaining. I think he's funny um even when he's like maybe like not trying to be I don't know when he was just like is like calculating the exact age of this deck. He's like every thirty two year old dick and like that's amazing the way .

to open a yeah he's been doing .

painting .

regimentation, right? Yeah you're doing grey work in the space of the yeah I mean.

I think a lot of IT is just like you know billion ary hubris in people are like all these people, not fact think that they get like sheet, which is like you know if if like it's just in they're putting all these .

resources into IT.

Doesn't m also kind of like they in a little bit like you're putting all these resources into like making yourself seem Younger, which I mean I guess people maybe but everybody's kind of doing that now like everybody is getting plastic surgery and boat tags like um I don't know IT IT seems like everybody is people may not be trying to like literally like sheet death and the way the brand Johnson is, but like we're all kind of you know doing this to one extent or the other where it's like i'm not eating.

I'm not using canoa oil because I think it's you know it's bad for me. I mean or i'm getting botox or you're getting solar. You're doing like people are doing what would be like try to like make them is the cut of view. So whatever .

you know, but that's exactly that's exactly what he's doing. Any is research is public. It's mostly this.

It's it's cutting things out that is he measures his body for damage every day, and he try to tries to remove things from his diet and his day that caused that damage in this exact same way that we all do. So it's in the clothing. It's like IT doesn't. If all this information is basically given out to people and he's just running experiments on himself, IT feels not sufficient to me as a reason that people are mad about him.

There are less bad about them now I think because he's he's funny and people and he doesn't care but the criticism, we will go away so you can only be really mad something I think so long, okay, whatever like there's going to be a bonaire vampire and middle is right now and i'm just onna have to deal with IT. And then, you know what is a famous? It's like, you are you first day, first day, I was the first day laugh. And but what does IT first ignore you?

Then they laugh at you. You.

whatever they were.

were the last .

stage with brian Johnson and so like keats, about to win. And I think um I think that the clapping is not sufficient. It's an excuse that seems sufficient.

We reach for IT. But when you just look at IT, it's like there's nothing he's doing his sleep diet exercises of the main things heying. He's only the blood .

thing is a little I think the blood thing was so much like really that's really when people got on there like a literal vampire, you know like and um I think I never want .

to think that we should have, we should have.

we should have that we tired .

of billions need to be doing with the high level billion's need to be doing crazy shit. And I am time they do that.

how like so many scientific breakthrough is got done and is IT sciences to do. Just be like rich guys, like fucking around, because anything else to do.

I am exhausted with the idea that the best thing a billionaire can do is give their money to the democratic party to light on fire. I want giant statues in the 3 phanes copy。 I want scientific research.

I want a network of small little newspapers in tiny towns brought up in, funded. I want the their pire billionaire with mid drafts. I want those things.

I think that we deserve those things. I think that we are only going to be as good as our billionaires are. weird. I think that has always been the case. We need someone to sort of like pioneer a course for us that is bizarre and strange and aspirational.

And I I think I can see how perhaps the diet is not so aspirational and the blood thing is maybe a little bit on savery. Um but I respect the man who doesn't give a fuck and has a lot of money to burn and just done does incredibly strange things. I saw this giant like hang guarding illustration of castles in what now.

And someone is like, this should be the future. And I thought to myself, people can build that today. People can build the beautiful things right now.

Why is there so? And I want to be a little more serious, but like expected from there are more like, if you had all that money, you you should be building monuments to your ambition and they should be making the world a Better place. The ninety six, we had libraries and museums and hospital.

Like, I want to see that stuff again. And I think it's like our billion's, our poor billionaire, have been so beaten down psychologically that they really just want to be invisible and like we don't need to be invisible, need to be spending that money on cool shit. That's what we need.

I in this respect, I thought a lovely la mosque and it's because of like he's building rocket ships that land right like all of his money he bundles into crazy ship. He just how much should he spent on twitter, right like that these are he's doing fascine things with this money um and ah yes so for all the day is listening. I want to see some more real chip guys. What's the more real trip the billionaire be .

doing with their money? I go on we have to give a credit to jeff bazo. He's building something called the clock at along.

Now it's a ten thousand year clock. It'll run for ten thousand years. It's in some mountain side and like west Virginia or something, and it's symbolically supposed to represent the power of long term thinking. But I I learned about IT when he was on the likes three men podcast and he speaks about IT very eloquently.

And he he specifically, he almost specifically said, uh, what you just said, song about artifacts, he's like, I want there to I want there to be something that, you know, in ten thousand years, amErica is, as we know, this is probably not even gna exist. There's just going to be a new type of person, a new citizens of a new republic or whatever the form of government is that can come and take a pilgrimage to this ancient site in ten thousand years and um and understand our values at the time. And I think that super called me. I hope we get to do a part where your story about IT and I go get to visit and takes pictures.

He also built a giant, I think, the world's biggest shadow, with on the mast, his naked, a statue of his naked wife, which is absolutely epic. Like in is the combination of those two things, which I do think is essential, any good billion air, you need them both. You gotta a have both saga. I think something .

like california are forever, honestly, this new city that they're building in, in santoni, california, which is gna, be if they can actually achieve IT because they are facing a lot of resistance from um people who live in the area. But it's gonna to be a kind of ideal city in a really diffunce tional state. It's gonna like you know medium dense, going to have a good public trace oration like that kind of thing, investing in, if if you have a problem with the layout of society, and you know, the sort of dis functional, increasingly dis functional, low trust world we live in. My contact lines has got stolen yesterday.

for example.

You know you you could build something new. And if you have billions of dollars, um you know you can invest IT in just creating an entirely new city. I think that's amazing. Um the .

sphere, veg sphere.

And I U S can see my view. I'm looking at the golden a bridge right now is the view that I have. And I want a colosse there.

I've to ramp. T about IT ince. I was a kid. I always wonder why there are not more giant, inspiring statues that may be excited to be a civilization that i'm inside of. This is seen, perhaps, is not important.

I think get is very important to have inspiring art around you. And specifically giant are the idea of a giant human leading the way, the statue of liberty, right? There's a reason we to love these things.

Um it's because they they they inspire us to be Better and they remind us of the of what we are um everyday new york city right like that. That means something about who we are. And IT reminds you happy to be where you are, happy to be placed where you are.

IT makes you feel apart of something bigger than yourself. And IT also makes you want to be picker. Um so I want more giant star.

I would settle for one. There's like one really huge colosse betta get back to that river. You I want to say you are a billionaire.

You get to you get to tell the billion aire what to do. I actually fuck at you a billionaire. What do you do with your billions?

Uh well because i'm like A A gay guy and I also have like the um because you know we don't have kids, so like we usually have to like do something to make ourselves fill in mortal, you know so I probably write a novel .

or something and then D I buy a house in the world. I would .

like myself and noble and I would like um actually what I would want to do would be to a build just like a giant bitch, like a library of Alexander level library where collect suit from over the world, uh make like a massive archive, have everything digitized um so they couldn't be like searchable um online two and then also have like a play physical place where that people can go um because a lot of that is like so uh fragmented I think um and a lot of IT isn't i've like because I used to be a history grad night. Like there are a lot of things you can find basically anything anywhere but like their own and archives that are just sort of all over the country. And um I think we would be amazing to just like if you had the money to just hire a team of like five hundred people to just like digitize all these, like import that like old books and like a historical dockland job.

We need jobs for all these english measures with nowhere to go to be all right?

Yeah, I would .

really make words for english. P the central work. I love IT. I means you're all great ideas. But one more thing I want to is on the topic of important media vital media um worth remembering building muslims s to I wanted to take me through the Barbie .

Oscars controversy okay, so let's start with the beginning. I watched mary and when in my husband king out there, he was like, do you think this will win Oscars? And I was like for like set design, maybe IT is one seven more Oscars than that has been nominated for eight Oscars.

S um, people are mad because I was not IT hasn't been named for ten there. Basically like they're mad that gratis or wig was a nominated for best director and their mad that mark abby was not nominated for best actress. I I don't know if we all if I watch the same movie as these people, it's unclear to me. I mean, amErica forever should not have been nominated for best supporting actress that .

was done like afterwards, but not many different best actor guy. I was great, but this is the patriarchial king he would spot.

I mean, the erroneous about that movie is that can is supposed to be the world, I kind of, but he's the most charming character by followers because right dose is .

just so charming. So this happen, nominations go down. People become furious.

Hillary clinton tweet about IT. Ah another dude actually tweet. His tweet goes viral for a mix. I think I thought I assumed that was bees being ratios for IT, but I was people concurrent um and people attacking him, but his position was grateful.

Wig and margo robby not being nominated for this movie is indicative of the very forces at work that are responsible for Hillary clinton not being in the president america. The patriarchy IT is evidence of a systemically sexy society. People are somehow for getting the margo robby is she's are running for best, SHE said SHE was they wanted to be nominated for best actress.

The people who took this this nomination for they're all women. Everyone who was none is a women. Like, what world are we in right now? The great, great, big thing.

I, I feel like you have a super popular movie. Maybe you should be nominated. There is something happening with just people for some reason, finally realizing that the Oscars don't nominate movies that anybody actually cares about. And I think that maybe sort of an interesting thing to talk about. I was surprised not .

should not be populist. It's not like there is no democracy is no I feel like this also goes against because I already think i'm like, you know a crazy like now wester whatever but like no, there should not be democracy. And art by barby is not like the people will forget that Barbie exist that is not even like it's something like the rules or like people will like resurrected. It's IT it'll be .

completely forgot .

yeah and um the only one movie I think that like really did well I think open hammer still as well that was a popular movie. Killers of the flower moon got Normally for a bunch of stuff that was pretty popular. I watched it's really .

good party is nothing.

I A party there? No what IT was popular bit like there are like Normally things ominous for Oscars like this a lot I was saying like they're not like the but they're by busters.

They're also not good though. It's not just they are they're unpopular and they're not good. They are movies that confirm the biases of a very small class of people.

They are the same thing. Those nominations we talk about are angry that but I don't I might hear for necessarily um I don't think everyone's opinions value when to comes to art. I think my opinion is IT comes, start. And in my opinion, there is a good art and bad art, and it's not what is existing in most modern arguments. Ms, when you block in and the art is some woman on a chair staring at a naked dude or something, which is an actually exhibit that I saw like it's just stupid and I think people know that is stupid and the values that say that that is good or the same values that are nominated ating most of those films um which is a sort of separate conversation because typically the Oscar conversation is just like its people on really the right attacking the Oscars and saying this is garbage that nobody cares about people on the let saying, but I don't know, kind of ignoring IT watching the Oscars ers and now you have a lot of leftists to angry at the Oscars for uh like you said, for a whole informing Barbie for eight rather than ten Oscars they really want Greta to win because they want a woman to win best director and the director spot is seen as I think and IT is a male dominated profession um yeah I think .

we want a Catherine what's your name for a the rocker? I think she's the one is everyone. And then people were mad about bad because I really like it's like an imperialist like proper in a movie that was made in direct consultation with like the penncorp, which is kind of trulia is also like the movie.

The fact he didn't win didn't get nominated evidence of a ipe shift. Perhaps it's like the D I nominations not happening this year. Um sorry. So joe, I feeling cut you off.

Well, I was just going to say, I think it's extremely ironic that people on the left are freaking out about Oscar n nominations because as we were talking about in our slack channel earlier, the Oscars have these insane representation requirements that just got ruled out a few years ago on the heels of like Oscar so White controversy. Um people should check them out online.

I mean there one of the requirements for um for a nomination uh for for films to be nominated is that the general on sambo has at least thirty percent of all actors in secondary or minor roles from at least two unrepresented groups, which include women, racial or ethnic groups L G B T Q plus and people with cogniac physical cognitive YSL disabilities or who are death are hard of hearing. So there's now this like kind of entrenched um D E I ideology in the nomination process, actually. So it's especially chronic.

I think that people are like freaking out and sort of relitigating the Oscars. So why or Oscar so male, whatever. Uh debate in light of this is insane.

Also recently, our friends over the um ani deformation that you were trying to get jews added to the list of D I requirements. They're like we more representation hollywood and people like, come on yeah.

That's that salary.

So like you would be thirty percent a one of the preferred groups among h this report line left or all about the minority. I think you basically just can't be a movie where it's about White men. You can .

like the whole crew is mexican, basically. Yeah you like you can get my with that with the crew. I if you're doing like a historical drama about the evening when or something the baby.

the .

rules are gone, you wanted you to show about queen and or whatever the folk and that's going to be a black woman um and not only is going to be a black woman, they're going you're going to say that's a black woman and they say what they like you know there are black people in hamals or something we're doing color blind casting kind of interesting. I kind of make an army in favor of IT. There are no, no, no. They are actually saying there's a link to this person, to some ancient african, whatever. And in fact, while you were taught that the queen of england was White, SHE was really black .

because he was mixed. They did, about queen of Oscars a ple years ago called the favor. But they made her like a lusby, an that that .

was a .

great this movie.

I don't think that.

Yeah.

little thoughts on barbi e the Barbie the great Barbie controversy of twenty twenty four, which can had to apologize for you after, is nominated.

I just think IT is a travesty that amErica forever was nominated because where I think you are talking about this on twitter. But like the speech he gives, the history onic insane. Like tumbler speech he gets about how we can have at all.

That's the speech that made me think that the Barbie movie was actually like a woke satire. And that, in fact, IT was IT was anti woke because I was so ridiculous and on the nose that I was like, there's no way that this speech should be taken at face value, value like clearly america. Hera is just, you know, doing the SAT tire of this insane, robust feminism. So aren't IT was serious, I guess. And I know yeah.

I felt inspired by the kens to be honest, they really the movie, I really don't want to get lost limits of barberry now but but the concept of like women can do anything and then Barbie leads for five minutes and the candle to revolution and take over like easily overnight. IT feels sort of contract the message of Barbie, which is what I encountered throughout that movie. I couldn't tell if there was woke or antiwar ke or nothing at all.

Um I think that actually they try to do a lot inside of the movie. They would try to appeal to everybody and therefore much like the movie, uh, there is a much like what is the mister vel the first one? Um I think it's like IT was very popular because of the sort of stuff around IT Barbie came out IT looks stunning.

IT was a really visually exciting movie. It's a media property that everybody knows and is curious about and get a girl which is a busty director Margaret I is be beautiful and trac dinar's talented uh and so is fucked in what's a space a gosling so IT was excited like it's like people want to go see IT. But the movie self, no, I love IT. sorry. The only message that people should .

have taken from Barbie is that you shouldn't use C. G. I. You should actually get to us out there and like, make a set because that's what made the movie good, is that I was actually, they actually built all of these, like paint, like barbi houses, like they like fucked up, like the market for paint, paint or something, because they use much is crazy.

That is a grape. Yes, I agree. I feel drastic park in the early nineties still as I think texture that is exciting to watch today. And this is a big part of IT is just like the crossman ship that that people would put into film back then.

Um that is a very great topic and one that we will have to kick off to the other day because we have reached the conclusion of this weeks episode. Do you check out the new power wires website? Do you tell us what you think about in the comments?

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