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Build, Interrupted: A Conversation with Ezra Klein

2025/5/27
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Ezra Klein
一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家，通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Roman Mars: 我观察到在美国，许多基础设施项目，如住房、交通和清洁能源，都因为繁琐的程序而延误。这些程序本应提供帮助，但实际上却阻碍了项目的进展。最大的障碍并非技术或资金，而是法律和程序上的限制，这些限制在很大程度上是我们自己造成的。 Ezra Klein: 我认为政治的核心问题应该是我们更需要什么以及如何得到它。然而，我们常常因为自身设置的流程而无法建造足够的房屋、清洁能源和输电线路。解决问题的关键在于制度的更新，关注当今时代的问题，而不是被过去的辩论所束缚。我们必须认识到，过度的程序和否决点使得项目难以推进，甚至被滥用以阻止那些实际上对社会有益的建设。我们需要在个人需求与集体需求之间找到平衡，并选出有公正未来愿景的领导者，才能有效地利用公共权力，实现真正的进步。

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Ezra Klein discusses the challenges of building in America, focusing on legal and procedural obstacles rather than technological or financial ones. He highlights how processes designed to help often lead to delays and stagnation, particularly in areas like housing, transit, and clean energy. The current system, developed over decades, requires significant institutional renewal.
  • Legal and procedural obstacles are the biggest impediments to building in America.
  • Processes designed to help often cause delays and stagnation.
  • The current system, built over decades, needs significant institutional renewal.

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Why is it so hard to build anything in America? Ezra Klein explores how our good intentions led to a system that stifles progress, and what it would take to break free.

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