Spiritual Liberation (with Bryana Clover)
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You are listening to A Psychic Story, a podcast that shares behind the scenes insights of people who lead supernatural lives among the ordinary. And I'm your host, Nicole Bigley. Join me every Wednesday as I dispel the myths behind magic and lore. Welcome to A Psychic Story. Mysticism demystified.

Hi, psychic listeners. Our guest for this episode of A Psychic Story is a healer, medicine woman, truth teller, and embodied racial justice advocate. You'll be hearing more from her on the podcast in the coming months as we have a special announcement many of you have been asking and waiting for. So stay tuned as that announcement is at the end of our discussion today.

And for now, this is the story of Brianna Clover. Welcome to A Psychic Story, Brianna. Hi, Nicole. Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

Yeah, so we have a lot to talk about and we have, again, like a special announcement at the end that we want to get to. It's something that so many of the listeners have been asking about. But first, would love to have you start wherever you feel led about where you are today. Essentially, how did you get here and share your light? Thank you. It's really hard to know where to start. I feel like the last 10 years or so, I have experienced...

tremendous transformations, both spiritually and in this 3D life. So I guess I would start when I lived in North Carolina and I grew up in the church. It was a very welcoming and open church and I had beautiful mentors. But as I was in my late 20s and early 30s, I felt like something was missing. And

It was like memories from my childhood were surfacing at that time that were never really in my subconscious awareness. And one of those was I remembered going to a local fair with my grandma and seeing a psychic reader and wanting to go but thinking, ooh, is that allowed? And my grandma being like, yes, let's do it. And I was just so shocked by that. And then fast forward, I remember buying angel cards, angel oracle cards,

But I still at the time had that desire, but something was stopping me because I just was unsure. Is this okay? Is this allowed? I'm putting that in quotation marks. And actually, it wasn't until 15 years after that or so, I ended up throwing them away because they were just in the bottom of a drawer. And it wasn't until I had a specific...

conversation with, at the time, it was one of my really good friends and she was an ordained minister. And she started sharing with me that she

psychics and that she connected with Oracle cards. And it was like, I don't know, now that I look back at it, it's like, I didn't need anyone to give me permission to explore the side of me, but it was what I needed in that moment to just like open Pandora's box almost. Like, okay, you know, like this is okay. And I'm going to dive head first. Like, I'm just going to go in.

I'm going to dive deep. And around this same time, I had worked in corporate for over 13 years and I was incredibly unhappy, burnt out and just really confused about what was next in my life. I'd always played it safe. So within like a span of a year,

I quit my full-time job, like with nothing planned. I was like, I'm going to take time off and I'm going to do, I knew, I knew more about what I wasn't going to do than what I was going to do, but I knew it was something to do with racial justice as a biracial black woman who worked in agriculture. I,

I had a lot of experiences, either witnessed or experienced myself. One of those being my dad before I moved to Texas saying like, here are the towns you don't stop in for gas. And so that was like, oh damn, okay. So I quit my full-time job, was gonna take a break, put myself out there as a racial justice advocate and that I wanted to help organizations through training and assessments and like strategic planning. How do they integrate it within their DNA, this work? DEI at the time was...

not even mentioned really about race. It was like untouchable, like that whole topic. And then the spirit, like as soon as I decided that this was what I was going to do, spirit just opened the floodgates. And isn't it amazing how that works? It really is.

It really is. Because I had my first client, I signed within a month of... I didn't really even have a full month off. And that's what I did. I did for a couple of years and I found myself kind of back, not to square one, but just back to feeling not fully fulfilled. And what I noticed was missing in this dialogue was the somatic, the somatics behind Justin's work, the spirituality behind Justin's work. And I...

A lot of my clients at the time were churches, but I was just very disheartened with the church. And so I left the church. And at the time, it was my husband and I and our son. And we left the church because I realized that I could not hold accountable the same institution that I was going for my spiritual growth and renewal. And that is when, again, spirit was like, all right, sort of flooding me with memories of ancestral practices.

and of like reminding me of my own divinity, which is often, you know, like I see the church, like the big C church, white supremacist Christianity very much teaches us separate from divine, separate from God, right?

God fearing, you know, it just wasn't okay with that. I, I, I met so many beautiful people in the church, but I'm like, it just didn't sit right with me that we would say that we're welcoming and that, um, and, and that the roots of Christianity are, you know, love and caring for our neighbor while also excluding our neighbor and not even like recognizing that as such.

So, um, that kind of sparked my spiritual journey. I mean, it was happening all along. Um, and then I was like, I'm going to open up a metaphysical store. So where did that come from? So I always wanted, my sister and I had always wanted to like do be in business together. And when I started the spiritual journey, when I left the church, to be honest, it was really hard to find spiritual community that was racially diverse.

the face of the new age movement is white women. That is what's accessible. And so I really desired to create a space for women of color in particular to be safer, to explore their spirituality and to really be centered in this work of remembrance, this unfolding of their ancestral wisdom and their lineages.

So I really wanted to create something that I wish I had when I started the spiritual journey. It just started out as a dream. And literally one thing, like this is what happens. I let it, I surrendered to spirit and immediately a place opened up in Lansing, but at the time in Michigan, but, and that's where I'm from. But at the time you're still in North Carolina, like never leaving North Carolina. We absolutely love North Carolina. Like all the family is going to have to come to us to laying in bed with my husband and him saying, we're moving to Michigan Army. Yeah.

How did he know that? It was just like a sense. At that point, he knew me. It's like when a flip switches within me, when I'm finally like I'm surrendering, it's like a pattern. He knows it. He recognizes it energetically now. And so literally, I'm like, well, let's just explore it. Let's ask our realtor how much we can get for this house. And literally a month later, we had sold the house and bought a house sight unseen in Michigan, moved to Michigan and

and opened up a metaphysical store and wellness center in downtown Lansing within a month's time. I got such chills. And you've shared so much important information. So I'm going to kind of go back a little bit if you're okay with that. The first one I wanted to ask is why do you think, because this is really important, we don't talk about it enough, that the spiritual community for the most part is comprised of white women?

That's a wonderful question. And I feel like I struggle answering that distinctly, but I'm going to give it a try. I think the first thing is it's rooted in American culture. The bedrock of America is colonialism and a hierarchy of race. And it's all made up, constructed by those in power at the time.

to hold on to power and wealth and to claim their right to land and other cultural practices.

So even though we are not living at a time of chattel slavery, that legacy of the hierarchy of race and how our country was created still exists with us today. And so there naturally is this, what some might term dominant, I'm putting that in parentheses, culture as close to white cisgendered

Christian maleness. And the closer one is to that made up thing, the more opportunity, the more of a platform one has, the more... It's like swimming in waters, right? So it's like a fish swimming in water. So the closer you are to that

that identity, the easier the current is in your life. It doesn't mean one's going to have hardship or struggles at all. So I think that's the biggest thing is that just naturally the United States sees this image of purity and of power and of trustworthiness as something

white. And I think that has nothing to do with a white healer doing their work. And it should not discount a white healer using their medicine. We want that. We want everyone to use their medicine. But I think that the spiritual industry, like the industries, if you will, are about love and acceptance. So we forget, we miss the reality. We miss the 3D reality of

of our humanness that I think is incredibly important when we are choosing to use our medicine for good, for the highest healing of all. And I think it's somewhat mistaken because there's this assumption in our culture that if we are going to talk about race, that it's divisive.

if we're going to acknowledge those things that are in the past, that it's divisive. And it's actually far from the truth. Truth-telling is part of our medicine. Yeah. And when you were talking, I was asking my spirit team, and I come from and have a background in marketing. And we may have a little bit of uncomfortable conversations here too. And I say uncomfortable, I'm fully open to have it.

So I may not ask the questions in the quote unquote right way, but I definitely want to have a space for discussion. And what I was hearing from my guides and angels is marketing. You know, if you look at the church and the paradigm and the construct of how it was created, typically, and I have some white male listeners, but the majority of the listeners here are typically female. I'm guessing mostly Caucasian, although there are

There is a mix of that and there is some diversity in that. But I started this podcast and yes, I am white and I'm a female and I identify as such. However, it really shocked me when I was looking at the data, again, what was available and who was listening, not just because of my voice and the guests that I was having on and the topics, but I would think that a podcast that's free is exciting.

accessible, you know? And so a portion of where I feel maybe the spirit, I just saw a big angel flash, by the way, I think it was Michael, big blue light across. So if I'm looking off the camera, that's why. Where, you know, historically, if you look at what would have been accessible books, it's

CDs, meditation, things like that. It may have been only in certain places and bookstores and all of that. And if you think of, you know, my guides and angels are saying sometimes where change happens and from a spiritual lens, women do tend to take out the race portion, but women do tend to start a little bit more of change and movement and things. And so if they're thinking differently and way back, if there was more accessibility for women who, by the way, are also

the main spenders and purchase decision makers in households, then I can see from a majority where that may be the case and shift from a spiritual lens. And then I love the way you shared about America and how that is and where we come from. So I think part of what I'm getting here at is

If we can think differently and continue to have these open conversations and I want to say diversify because I try and have different topics on from my diversification to think differently, but also the representation of what that is, is more and more important as we move forward. Because I can say, even when I look at podcasts, it tends to consist of white women in the spiritual world. And that's not a bad thing.

It just happens to be, I feel like, where this has started and going. Yeah. And I think that in the U.S. context, too, we are still very separate and unequal by race. So when you look at neighborhoods and neighbors, we're very schools. And so it takes us an intentionality to diversify our communities. And

And, you know, of course, one would say that's hogwash. Like, it shouldn't have to be that bad. It shouldn't have to be that, but it is that way. And so I loved how you said too, of like how women are often the change makers, the movers, the ones who, you know, and so that actually was the...

part of what birthed my most recent program, Sacred Justice Alchemy, specifically for women healers of European descent and coaches who recognize that to usher in the new earth requires cross-racial sisterhood. And so I'm very much about

We need to be curious about these things. We need to be recognizing them and we need to be asking the hard question. And it's not an admission of guilt. It's not an admission of, you know, shame. It really comes from a place of we recognizing that like the constructs that humanity have created are

are harmful. They're harmful to the earth. They're harmful to the animals of the earth and the humans of the earth. Like we can all, and that's what sometimes makes me chuckle in a way of like, okay, we're getting there. Cause I had a friend who is a white healer

And she was really struggling with my concept around racial justice and equity. But when it came to talking about the patriarchy, she was like, oh yeah, burn it down. And I'm like, okay, yes. So can we have that spirit and attitude for- And that and? Right. White supremacy, the patriarchy, toxic corporate capitalism. It all is rooted in the same and it all must be dismantled, you know?

And maybe you can come back and remind me, please, because we're going to be talking a lot in the future weeks and months and over the year. But having maybe an episode about what are those hard questions? What are the things we should be asking ourselves? Not only in the spiritual, because I truly feel that if it's not safe in the spiritual community and we're not having these open conversations and asking, again, those hard questions, then really where and how is it going to change? Because we can change fundamentally

within and with ourselves and have that impact, not only our individual selves, our friends, our family, our community, and then it ripples out. So.

Yes, exactly. And I think that that feels uncomfortable. Like if we get down to like the nervous system level, that feels uncomfortable because it's unknown. But the more we do it, the more we show up messy to just exploring and asking the questions, the more our nervous system realizes, oh, okay, like I didn't die. I'm still alive.

And so I think going back to your original question, one of the reasons why is accessibility of why it's not very diverse. And I think the other is that we are women of color in particular, and we're not a monolith, like women of color is incredibly diverse, like within that racial identity, but we're demanding more. We're recognizing that diversity

We want safer spaces. We want spaces that we can show up 110% our full identity and be seen and be held. And when there is a lack of dialogue or even an acknowledgement of harm being done,

it doesn't feel like a safe space for a lot of women of color. So I think it's an accessibility and it's also a safety perspective. When we think about wanting to be part of a community, what do we think about? We want a community that feels, that has similar ideas and thoughts as us. We want a community that challenges us in loving ways. We want a community that recognizes the struggle as much as the joy, the

the pain as much as the love, you know, like that's what we're all looking for. And just the reality is that that hasn't always been the case for women of color to find those amongst racially diverse communities. So it's like an accessibility and it's a safety.

So when you, I'm being led to go back a little bit more from those, primarily those two moments in your life when you were in the corporate world, like first, you know, you pivoted to becoming more of this truth teller and doing the DEI and the diversity part for, you know, on your own. So that was one pivot. And then when you were doing that, and then you said, and then I was starting to feel the same way I was before. What was it that you experienced specifically for others that

that may be going through a need to change something in their life that is more in alignment with what they feel is their purpose. Because I really feel like that's what I'm, you didn't say it, but what I'm hearing the energy state is, I wasn't in alignment with my higher self. I wasn't in alignment with the direction I wanted to go from a soul level. So can you share a little bit personally what you were experiencing as you went through either or both of those moments?

Oh, yes. So I think getting crystal clear of, because I think it's easier for us to know what we don't want. Yes. That's what you said, which I thought was helpful. What I don't want. Yeah. So I think that is something like when I look back is to get crystal clear on what you do want. And so if I were, if now that I can look retrospectively, I was leaving the

corporate due to many of the ideologies and the culture of toxic corporate capitalism. So I was leaving that, but I also worked in that environment. So what would some examples be?

Sense of urgency, perfectionism, trading one's time and one's time being a dollar amount put on one's time. An environment where people get promoted and get more money, not necessarily because they are doing the job better, but because of who they know, or it's because of optics or

So those are just a few examples. Perfect. Yeah. I just wanted to share a little bit of that because it may also be different for other people, but yes, that tracks. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. And so what I didn't realize though, is that because I had been working in that environment for almost 16 years, well, at that time it was over 13 years, but then I did some more after that, that I had adopted that ideology, even at a subconscious level.

So like when I went on my own, I still held on to the sense of urgency. I still held on to trading my time for dollars.

I still held on to making sure to some extent, even though I was a truth teller, to making sure that it was palatable to people. And so that's what I mean by getting crystal clear of like what it is that you want. And to be honest with yourself in what ways you're going to be more conscious about how you're going to shift your being, your ways of being in the world, how you want to relate to

to the world. So I think that that was the biggest, like if I were to go back is to be clear on what I did want. So here's the other thing, which I think is like, I think they talk a lot about it in the manifestation space. So I feel like it's well known, but it's this understanding of like, you don't have to spend your time figuring out the hows. It's more about the energy of what you're desiring. It's more about visualizing, not necessarily, and all of us manifest differently. Like

if you're into human design. I literally just had someone on about that. Yes. And learned about it. I'm learning more about my own chart and stuff as well. Yes. And it really opened up my eyes. I was, I was blown away. Yes. Totally. And so without getting into detail, some of us

are, we manifest more in the specifics and some of us are non-specific manifestors. But the whole idea is that we work, we co-create with the universe. And our role in that co-creation is to get very clear on the energy of what we want to experience, of the feeling of what we want to experience, the why we want what we want.

And allowing and surrendering to the universe on the how. So that was one of my problems because I was very focused on the how. And I was like, okay, I need to get organized. I need to plan. I need to do a strategic plan because I spent 13, 16 years doing strategic planning. That's literally where I am. I need to do... No, seriously, strategic planning, hell, H-E-L-L, on my full-time job side. And then I'm trying to get myself out of that in the other way.

meaning podcasts and spiritual and what I want in my life. Yes. I totally am with you. I have been there. So what I was going to say is I would love to give a specific example because what you said was beautiful and how you summarized it too. And that I, a lot of people will come to me, I would say a lot, a good portion of people will come to me and say, I really want to leave my job and this corporate environment and I'm feeling called and led to do other things. And am I going to get another job?

And that's, they're so linear and 3D in thinking. And I'm saying this from a place of love, not from judgment, but to say, you, spirit always usually says, you're thinking about, I need a job to replace my job, or I need this exact type of environment or situation. I'm a programmer, let's say, that that's your job. I'm a programmer. So that's what I've been doing for this amount of time. And now I need to become a programmer. And if it's not in this industry, it's in another industry.

And so where spirit usually helps, and you said this as well, with people that are kind of trying to get out of that, that energy or that mindset and that mind frame is to think about, okay, what is it that I want? And what is it that I don't want necessarily? I don't want to be in a toxic environment. Okay, well, what would an environment look like or a culture look like?

that I would have. Oh, I would love to be in a collaborative environment, people that listen or whatever it is that you're looking for. I want to make my salary or more, you know, and come from abundance and prosperity and have everything covered. Not the how I'm going to get there or the what it looks like, but what is that experience? And it's a hard place for some to get

to when you're thinking, oh no, I either need to win the lottery or I need to find another job or I need to do things exactly that way because that's limited thinking in terms of how the universe works and what the possibilities are. So that's why I love the way that you shared that.

Because there are so many people out there that need to hear it. Absolutely. And to sum up all of that really, like to getting to what you're saying too, is you can't think outside of the box from within the box. Right. Yes. Exactly. And so, and there's an element of trust too. If I would have, like the old, the Bree before I quit my full-time job would have been able to map out how I would make the money that I made when I did quit. Like,

I would have never, I never would have been able to figure that out because I was still working within the frame of trading my time for dollars, my worth, my expertise, all tied up in 13 years of corporate work. And that was the exact bridge to the next question that I'd written down that I wanted to ask you based on what you said was, what I was hearing was faith and it was trust.

because you didn't necessarily have the exact answers, but you knew from within or whatever that is, an understanding source that not only was it going to work out, but I'm going to take that leap of faith.

And then it did because then the universe matched it. Absolutely. And more and more, they're saying, they're actually saying didn't match. And more than that, we, it delivered. It delivered beyond my imagination. And so then what did that look like for you? So you met, you gave a little bit of example, but I'm also feeling led to ask you this now.

As far as, okay, so you moved, you said, once you said that with your husband, when I make a decision, there's a slight switch. My energy just kind of shifts and he knows. So the house showed up, you made the move, you decided, all right, this metaphysical store, what else did those, maybe the other steps look like? Or what were you experiencing on a spiritual level during those times or during that time rather? Yeah, that's such a good question because

If I think back at the time, in that season, I very much was struggling to hold on to a spiritual practice, a ritual of this new life.

understanding of myself and the world and spirituality. I was really struggling. And it was almost through the starting of this metaphysical store and wellness center. It was through just saying, F it, I'm going to start sharing my gifts. So I, at the time, was attuned to Reiki too. But I had never taken on any kind of client's

And it was spirit speaking through those clients of words of affirmation that then showed me the potency of my medicine. And I'm not saying that that's how it needs to be, because I think the ultimate goal is for us to really build that deep relationship and that

deep trust with ourself and our spirit team. It doesn't need outside validation. But in this case, for me, it very much was spirit speaking through those clients at the time and hearing how important and special this place that I had created was to others.

that was like, okay, like this is, so I almost for the longest time still tried to apply my corporate mindset, even on my spirituality. It's so hard when you're programmed. Oh my gosh. And conditioned like that. Totally. And I'm still deprogramming, you know, like I think that's, that's the nature of being human in a sense.

That's our soul's journey is to find its way back to love given all of the humanness, that density that we hold on to when we incarnate into like a physical form. So I would say it was very subtle, my spirituality through this time. There was no, these are the spiritualistic practices I do. It was very subtle and also potent in the little things. And then, so one of the ways I realized is like...

I would have a Reiki session with someone and I would get these thoughts that just seemed so random. And so when I did it with friends, I would share those thoughts and then they'd be like, uh, that's not random. So then I was like, oh, okay. So those aren't...

That's how I receive intuitive hits is it seems like it's in my voice, but it's not. So I feel like I have been told that by spiritual mentors, but until I experienced it, and I still have a long way to go. We all do. We all do. That's true. I'm really recognizing and realizing that spiritual connection and staying still long enough.

to receive and be open. So it still is absolutely a journey, but it was through the practice of putting it myself out there little bits of a time. And like that spiritual center was more for me building that than it was for, I want to help the community. I mean,

obviously, but I learned so many things about myself through this experience. But that's always why I've said from the very beginning, because it was, I won't say triggering, but it was controversial to many people that were hearing it, which I always say service to self is service to others.

Understanding your own self and how it works and healing and all and however that shows up is it's like the thing of put on your, you know, your mask first on a plane before you help anyone else. But we've been again conditioned by society of no, it's always about giving out. But if you don't have that, that light from within and understanding of and also what

the understanding of how that shows up, but also your purpose, your journey, all the steps that you went through then allows you to help others because you have experience through that. And the other thing I wanted to call out that you said, and my guides are angels, like I was seeing like flashlights when you were talking is it was important about the subtlety because when people get discouraged that, oh, I didn't have that big moment, I didn't have a near death experience or I didn't have,

I didn't see an angel or whatever the thing is. Most often spirit shows in subtle ways and it does come through from an intuitive side. And it's really up to us to start to key into that and understand and mold it and make it malleable for our own lives and our own selves.

You're absolutely right. And I hated hearing that from my spiritual mentors because I'm like, it's so hard until you go through it or whatever it's called. Like I want sparks and you know, and it just, it doesn't always happen that way. But it does come through later too. But it's start, that's why I say the small is just as important as the big.

The small experiences and all of that. So should we share how we met? Yeah. You want to do that? Totally. Would you like me? Well, you start. So my first MindBodySpirit Expo was actually in Raleigh when I lived there. And it was like the beginning of my journey. And so I just wanted to soak up all things like woo and spiritual and just like soak it all up.

And then I found out that there's one in Cincinnati. And I was like, that's perfect because my mom and my sister can go with. So that's honestly how I found you on accident. Like, I don't think I even knew about your podcast at the time. But I had told myself I was going to walk around because it's very overwhelming for any of you who have been to like spiritual excellence. It's so overwhelming. If you go as a guest or if you go in as an exhibitor, it's a lot. It's a lot.

Yes. And especially if you are empathic and you pick up on other energies, it's just like, you know, and so I wanted to apply my corporate mindset. Like, let me look at this. Let me look at the booklet of all the vendors. The pamphlet or the guidebook. Yes. I'm going to read about each one. I'm going to star the ones I'm going to stop by. Like I had tried that. And then I was like, no. So I just walked and I just felt led to your booth.

And now that I realize lots of people are like, it's hard to get on Nicole's schedule. Like I didn't understand or represent or understand the significance of it. But you had, I feel like I didn't even have to wait long. Like you had an opening. I was going to say, when was that? Two years ago?

two or three years ago. And so I think you showed up, it was only my second time. I'd have to look back and see, but from my memory, which is a little dusty right now, my guides and angels are saying it was your second time. So I'm going to trust in that. And so the first time I went to the MindBody conference,

Expo. And just for everyone who may or may not have heard the story, when I grew up, I did not grow up in Cincinnati. I did not grow up in Ohio. My parents, we moved around quite a bit. We were not in witness relocation program. That's how it felt. My dad was in the hotel industry. And so every six months to a year, if I was lucky, we would move somewhere. But over the summers, I would visit my grandparents, but also during the holidays,

And if it was around, if the event was happening when I was little itty bitty around November timeframe around Thanksgiving,

either one or both of my grandmothers would take me. So I grew up and it was at the time called the Victory of Light because Victor Peruta had set it up. And then eventually he sold to this. So I'm just giving background because there's a lot of stories that are going to guests that are going to come as a result of that. But when I finally decided to move here officially, I thought, hey, I want to go to this event because it's honoring to my grandparents.

and just part of my spiritual life growing up as a little kid. And I'm going to have a booth. I'm going to promote the podcast. That was really it. And there were no podcasts there. It was all practitioners and, you know, all the typical people that you would see.

The first time I went, it was horrible. No, I don't want to say horrible. It was, no one came by. I didn't have, I mean, even though it was like kind of sort of familiar on the podcast, and I almost didn't come. And I heard my spirit back the second time. My spirit team was like, you have to. It's going to get better. Trust.

So I did. And I think that's when you came. And so, yeah. And so at that time, I was like, okay, I am going to have some sessions because people had started to ask, well, if you're there, we have sessions because I don't normally do them in person at all. They're all virtual. So I thought while I'm here, I may as well. And it'll allow me to connect with people in a deeper way, not just talking about the podcast and getting them to listen. And so...

Obviously, it's like a revolving door. Every 15 minutes, 20 minutes, people are in or out. And I remember you sitting down. I don't remember everything we talked about, but I felt this energy of, this is important and there's going to be connections later. And so I just kind of made a mental note. I remembered your name. I remembered your face. And then I believe you came back a second time, not for a session. And maybe then a third time because this last time you were there because you had your own booth, you had your own business and everything else. And

And if you feel comfortable sharing, if you don't mind just kind of highlight of what we discussed in maybe that first session, because it kind of tees us up. And then I'd love to share the synchronicity of what we're about to announce here shortly. Yeah, totally. So I had two readings with you. So I kind of get like two years in a row. So I might get them confused, but... I don't remember anything other than I remember your name, your face, and like generally what is about in your business. And before you share, what I do recall is...

your energy felt half in one world in corporate and half in the spiritual. And you knew from an intention based in an alignment, I needed to make the shift. And you needed that little push, that nudge to say, do it, do it, trust, trust. And

And I could feel the scary thing, but then also this resolution and almost like it resonated of, it's exactly what I needed to hear. That's all I remember. I mean, honestly, that was the crux of it because, and I always felt like, okay, what questions do I have for my guides? I always feel like I have to like have the perfect question. And I just remember, I really wanted to ask you, will I ever make consistent money? Oh, that, yes. Because

because I'm just like, this is scary right now. It took off really fast and now it's plateauing already. And what does this mean? Because I am so scared to go back to corporate. I do not want to go. That's right. I forgot that. Yeah. Yeah. And it was about the time that I was thinking about opening the metaphysical store and really starting to use my spiritual gifts more. So I'm not sure of specifics, but I remember walking away and feeling so held by my guides and

so peaceful about this decision of leaning more deeply and trusting in my spiritual connection and my spiritual gifts. You also mentioned, and now I can't remember, but there was something that you were picking up around my indigeneity. And I just, I honestly, I don't remember the specifics, but it really set me on this journey of like connecting

to my lineage more deeply. Ah, I got chills. Yeah, like not even having to have 23andMe tell me, but to really like, I had connection to my lineage without having to get a DNA test. So, and I'm just remembering this now, actually, like I wasn't intending, this just came up like, oh my gosh, yes. Like that was really the start of trusting that I can connect to my lineage and my ancestors without a 23andMe test.

And also I thought you gave the, because I still was very much analytical with my spiritual gifts and you just gave me the most simple advice on how to use my clairs and how to get curious about them and one step at a time. So like those were the other two things that I remember of like, okay, I don't need to

to like have a planner and decide, you know, like I don't need all these things. I can literally just start as simple as... It's like breathing. Yeah, it's like breathing.

I know everyone's rolling their eyes that hear me say that all the time, but it is, it's like breathing. It's like once you understand a little bit more and you start to make the intention to tap in and be aware, it takes off. It starts to go. It starts to go. I did want to share really quickly too that what I was just hearing your guides angel saying about the ancestor portion, which now I'm seeing the thread through and the connection.

is that I won't say what was missing, but what you felt was missing is I want to take the torch and lead from this diversity and helping community from a paper perspective. What is my ancestry and my history look like?

what's that intersection from a spiritual and an energetic perspective? And they were removing that wall to say, you know, and trust that you have support on the other side to direct you, which was part of your ancestors and your spirit team. I didn't understand that until really just now as we were talking about it. Oh my gosh. It's brilliant. Yes.

because I still was trying to, you know, have the letters behind my name, so to speak, or this thing to claim. And it's like, no, it's already yours. And not that that part isn't important, but it's the human aspect, the 3D aspect of trying to understand it versus the trueness of who we are from a soul level and that connection that we have. Yes. Absolutely.

Okay. So thank you for sharing that. And this was not supposed to be, oh, book a session with Nicole kind of thing. The other part that I find so beautiful is that I wanted to kind of give the backstory of we've met a couple of times and we had had some conversation, but it was never a conversation to partner up. And I remember you sitting there, it was probably the second time as much as the first, where they were saying, my spirit team, not yours, this is important. Remember her, remember her. And so I was like, okay.

So then fast forward that this last one, which was November of 2024, this event, I was really bummed because I'd spent a good portion of time talking to other people and practitioners in the past about how to really create retreats and trips to other countries, not only other countries, but even within the US and creating something that was different than, all right, we're going to go on a retreat and slap spiritual on it.

you know, we're going to Greece. Let's all go, ladies and gents. You know, it wasn't about that. It was what are these experiences? And I kept getting called and led to have Egypt be one of them. And it kept falling through. And I finally just said, okay, I'm forcing this.

I need to stop forcing it just because people are asking for it and I want to do it. And I know it needs to happen. But at the same time, just like when they say, when you want a teacher, the teacher will show or you need support from the universe, the universe will show. So I was like, okay, I'm letting that go. I'm not trying to force it. And I'm going to allow this. I have all these other things going on and it's going to happen in divine timing.

And so Scott and I are at this event in November. It's our last one. We're celebrating the anniversary of the book. I was booked up and I saw you come by because you had a booth and you were talking to Scott, but you and I really didn't have a chance to connect. And then later the next day we talked and I'm going to allow you kind of share what Scott said and then we'll give the official announcement.

Perfect. Okay. So I had come to your booth because I'm like, I really would want another reading, but you were so booked and I just wanted to say hi, but you were busy in a reading. And so Scott and I got to talking and he was sharing with me about his recent trip through with Gaia to Egypt. And I, we were just kind of sharing our experiences. And I, and I was like, I just really have this desire. I tried last year to do this on my own. I had traveled to Egypt in December of 2021 and,

I had always wanted to go there since a little girl, very connected to ancient Egyptian mythology. And after that trip, and that could be another story of my experience on that trip, I knew that this is what I was to do, was to bring other people.

people, other women, other priestesses to these sacred magical sites. So I had just shared that just with Scott, like, it's just my desire. It didn't work last year. And he just very like casually mentioned, yeah, yeah, Nicole, Nicole has been thinking about doing a retreat like that. He knew it was more than thinking. I had been planning and I was devastated that it felt. Oh my gosh, yes. Maybe he just like didn't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so I was like, again, it was that little thing like, hmm.

There's a, there's a collaboration. The stars are aligning. Yeah. And then I don't even remember if, I don't think he told me anything about it. Cause again, those, those, those events are so busy, but then the next day I think I came to find you and you told me and I said, let's do it. And I was like, this is exactly what I needed because you had already had everything planned. So I would like to officially announce that Brie and I are doing a trip to Egypt and

and we are going to do it this year in 2025. And that is if people sign up. Now, I know you know who you are because you've emailed me, you've messaged me, you've texted me. Anytime you've had a session, you've asked to be added to the list. So here's your heads up that it's going to be happening. It's going to be in September. And we are going to do some ads, but also share a little bit more maybe in a separate

solo, not solo, but like the smaller episode two as we find more details and things and we talk about it. But I'm going to let Brie talk about the details in particular and where to go for that. But I mean, I can't say how excited I am about this. So it's time. It's time.

It's time. And like, I'm just so, so, so grateful that spirit led us together. And it was, it was the perfect, I mean, two, two women who have a desire for this, who are very connected spiritually. One of those women has a beautiful following of people and the other has the heart and the experience and the connection in Egypt. It's just, it's perfect.

So our hope is that this is one of many, you know, however it'll evolve in the future, but it's September 1st through the 14th. Of 2025. Of 2025. Yep. And Ahmed will be our brother who will be hosting us. And he is from Luxor. He's an Egyptologist and he also understands the spiritual significance of the sites that we'll be traveling to.

So we will start in Luxor. We will have a little bit of a Nile cruise in there as well. We will experience Cairo and we'll have a private tour in between the paws of the Sphinx and in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid. We will, while in Luxor, visit Sekhmet's Chapel. And if any of you feel excited

excited about the thought of learning about Egyptian mythology. Sekhmet has played a tremendous role in my journey, and I actually channel her energy in my racial justice and equity work. So really hoping to bring that to this group to really understand the consciousness of ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses and how we can connect with them even when we aren't in Egypt.

I don't know how many details, but maybe I should just say that the whole itinerary is on...

live on the website for folks to follow, to learn more information. And for those who are really, really serious about joining, you can fill out an application and there is an application fee for that. Yes, yes. And I want to say that you, for however long it took, because it took you months to put this together, were extremely thoughtful in making sure that, or ensuring rather, that it was, it had that spiritual lens, but also...

enough of these sacred moments and experiences that we can truly have it. The very first time I was in Egypt was several, several, several years ago. And it was kind of one of those get out of the bus and go here and do this. And I really wanted to take the time and eventually go back, obviously.

to allow that from energy and being in the place and tuning in and using my psychic ability. And the guide at the time, she was phenomenal. But also the questions I asked, you could tell she was very rooted in this is the history and the facts of Egypt, not the sacredness of it all and what it means from a cultural perspective and spiritual perspective.

lens as well. So that's what I'm excited about. So I want to say thank you for doing the due diligence and taking the time to make sure that these experiences are ultra sacred. And yes, for those that are interested, the reason why we have an application and an application fee is not because of who's the best to go. We want to make sure that people are serious and

that they really want to go here and everything. So yeah, it's about 10 days. And we also are going to have dual rooms like so you can go and you in order to save on costs for you. But if there is interest to have a solo room, that sort of thing, like we can work with you on that. But I would encourage you to go to the site. Right now, it's not on mine. A Psychic

a psychic story eventually. I'll have a page and it'll direct specifically to Bree's site. But do you want to share where people can go for more information to get the itinerary and the application and everything? And we'll be sure to include this in the show notes too. Perfect. So it's just briannaclover.com, B-R-Y-A-N-A-C-L-O-V-E-R.com slash Egypt dash pilgrimage.

Okay. A couple other questions that I have, I'm sure people are wondering is what is the application fee and what's the price range generally per person? Perfect. So the application fee is $150 and it's fully refundable if you're not accepted into this trip. And accepted just means like we want to make sure that we have a good amount of people that go. And if you are accepted, this amount will go towards the overall payment of your trip. And then of course, if you

are accepted and you choose not to go, then you would lose that $150 deposit. But that allows you to get on the list ASAP. And part of the application too, we're going to be asking questions to help support you on this trip better because we're going to be doing integration and that kind of thing. And the total cost of the trip, there are payment plans available, will be about $10,000. We're still crunching the numbers. But once you go to the website, it'll have all that information there. But it'll be around $10,000.

Yeah. And that depends on how many people are going, all the things that Brie mentioned. So that's the range generally. And I will also say that as Brie mentioned before, we would love to do this again. So this price is never going to be this low. This is not me marketing it. This is me being the truth teller here on this.

is that the reason that we decided to have this at this price point is so that you can literally be the pilgrims with us in this experience to be better able to inform and to customize future trips. So think of this as a pioneer when it comes to being able to create those experiences moving forward. And also we wanted it to be an easier entry point for those who have been interested in this for years since I've been talking about it, I feel like forever. Yeah.

So I'm so excited. Me too. I am just so pumped. Yes. So is there anything else you would like to share about this before we break? Obviously, also before we're done, share how people can reach you too in other ways aside from your website, but anything else either related to your story, your journey, or this trip in particular? I don't think so. I think this feels complete for now. Thank you so much, Nicole. Awesome. Yes. And then, so in addition to your website, briannaclover.com, where else can people come?

contact you? Instagram is where I am the most and it's just at Brianna Clover. And if those of you who are listening who are healers and coaches of European descent who are like, ooh, I have a heart for this, but I don't know where to start. I will be launching my signature program container, Sacred Justice Alchemy. And so if you follow me on Instagram, you'll get all of the details

And you can share too, if you want me to include it in the show notes or I can update it later as well. But I will also just add before we officially, officially break is again, thank you for your partnership, your sisterhood on this. I'm very excited, all the things. And if you have any questions about the trip, please reach out to Bree. If you send one to contact at a psychic store, I'm going to be forwarding it on to her.

because she's going to be managing this process. I'm obviously involved, but I would love to have her be able to connect with you because she has all the details and knowledge and she can be sure to insert any of your feedback or questions into that. So with that, I want to say thank you all for listening. Again, you will see more of Brie on here, whether it's about social justice, her story, and this trip in particular. So excited to share that in the future too.

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