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Robert Sapolsky: Are You Actually in Control of Your Life? | Align Podcast #518

2024/11/14
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Robert Sapolsky: 本期访谈的核心围绕自由意志与决定论展开,Sapolsky教授以其在非洲33年研究狒狒的经历为基础,深入探讨了生物学、神经科学以及社会因素如何塑造个体行为。他指出,低等级狒狒的压力荷尔蒙水平与人类抑郁症患者相似,这表明抑郁症是一种生物疾病,而非个人缺陷。他强调,理解决定论并非意味着放弃努力,而是以更深刻的同情心去看待他人和自身。他认为,社会应摒弃基于自由意志的惩罚和奖励机制,转而关注社会结构的公平性和对个体需求的满足。 在多代创伤方面,Sapolsky教授解释了早期生活逆境如何通过表观遗传机制影响后代,但同时也强调这些影响并非不可逆转。他认为,及早干预可以逆转许多表观遗传变化,改善个体和后代的生活。 关于急性压力和慢性压力,Sapolsky教授指出,急性压力是生物体应对紧急情况的自然反应,而慢性压力则源于社会心理因素,通常没有进化优势,反而有害健康。 在谈到自由意志与政治观点的关系时,他指出,相信自由意志的人更倾向于右翼观点,而相信决定论的人更倾向于左翼观点。这与社会经济地位有关,拥有特权的人更倾向于维护自由意志的观念,而弱势群体则更倾向于接受决定论的观点。 最后,Sapolsky教授谈到了他对司法系统和监狱制度的批判,认为现有的惩罚性制度是毫无意义的,应该被彻底改革。他建议采用更人道、更注重预防和康复的模式。 Aaron Alexander: 作为访谈的主持人,Alexander主要负责引导话题,并与Sapolsky教授进行互动。他表达了对决定论的兴趣,并就自由意志、多代创伤、急性与慢性压力、以及社会公平等问题与Sapolsky教授进行了深入探讨。他分享了自身对决定论的理解,以及如何将决定论的视角应用于生活实践,并表达了对Sapolsky教授观点的赞赏。

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How long did Dr. Robert Sapolsky spend studying baboons in Africa?

Dr. Sapolsky spent 33 years, or seasons, studying baboons in East Africa, eventually reducing the frequency to every other year when his kids came along.

What is the difference between male and female baboon behavior when a member of their troop is darted?

When a male baboon is darted, other males figure out if they can take credit for the darting. When a female is darted, her female relatives try to rip the car apart, showing a strong familial bond.

Why do lower-ranking baboons exhibit similar stress hormones to depressed humans?

Lower-ranking baboons have elevated cortisol levels, similar to depressed humans, because their brains stop listening to safety signals, leading to a constant state of vigilance and anxiety.

What is the role of social support in managing stress, according to Dr. Sapolsky?

Social support is the most powerful variable in reducing stress. If a person is depressed, they often withdraw and cut themselves off from social support, which can lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy of loneliness and further stress.

What is the key takeaway from epigenetic studies on generational trauma?

Epigenetic studies show that early life adversity can have lifelong and multi-generational effects. However, these effects are reversible if intervention occurs early and assertively.

How does Dr. Sapolsky differentiate between acute and chronic stress?

Acute stress is a short-term response to immediate physical emergencies and is adaptive. Chronic stress, which is psychosocial and prolonged, is generally not adaptive and can lead to various health issues.

What is the potential risk of an excessively deterministic view of life?

An excessively deterministic view can lead to nihilism and apathy, where one feels nothing can change and thus sees no point in engaging in life. However, it can also foster great compassion and awareness.

How does Dr. Sapolsky criticize the current judicial system?

Dr. Sapolsky views the current judicial system as intellectually and ethically unsupportable, resembling a burning at the stake justice system. He advocates for a more compassionate, quarantine-based model that focuses on societal safety and root cause analysis.

What is Dr. Sapolsky's stance on pride as a motivator?

Pride can be a valuable instrumental tool for motivation, but it should be used with caution due to the psychological pitfalls of feeling superior and comparing oneself to others.

What is Dr. Sapolsky's personal experience with spirituality and psychedelics?

Dr. Sapolsky stopped believing in God and free will at age 14 and has never taken any drugs, including alcohol, to avoid messing with his neurochemistry. However, he finds the consistent transformative experiences reported by people who use psychedelics intriguing.

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We dive into the mind of Robert Sapolsky, renowned neuroscientist, primatologist, and author, as he unpacks some of today’s most challenging questions about human nature, choice, and resilience. With over 30 years of research on baboons and human behavior, Sapolsky brings a unique lens to questions about free will, the effects of stress, and how trauma can reverberate through generations.

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Robert M. Sapolsky is the author of several works of nonfiction, including A Primate’s Memoir, The Trouble with Testosterone, and Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers. His most recent book, Behave,* *was a *New York Times *bestseller and named a best book of the year by *The Washington Post *and *The Wall Street Journal. *He is a professor of biology and neurology at Stanford University and the recipient of a MacArthur Foundation “Genius Grant.” He and his wife live in San Francisco.

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On this channel, Aaron interviews renowned experts in a range of fields focused on improving the mind and body. This mind and body podcast will teach you all that you need to know to become the healthiest version of yourself by integrating simplified ancient techniques and the foundational principles of The Align Method to strengthen your body, balance the mind, and activate healing systems in daily life.

The mission? To be the best personal growth podcast about healthy habits, redefine functional movement, and make fitness who you are; not what you do.

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  1. Free Will and Determinism

  2. Multigenerational Trauma and Epigenetics

  3. Acute Stress and Chronic Stress

  4. The Biology of Hierarchies and Social Behavior

  5. Compassion and Justice without Judgment

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