755. Feeling Lost? Lessons on Body, Money + Career Alignment
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Hello and welcome to Almost 30 Podcast. Hi, everybody. So glad you're here. It's Lindsay and Krista. Muchas gracias for tuning in. Uh-oh. Here we go. Uh-oh. Wheels are coming off. Whee!

We're so pumped for your year. Today's episode, we're going to be talking about things that we learned in our 20s. So Lindsay and I are just barely 30. We just made it. We just reached almost 30 status.

And we wanted to share and bestow some wisdom as some 30 somethings on our journey for our thirties to celebrate a book, almost 30, which is out June 3rd. It is a definitive guide to live a life you love for the next decade and beyond. And I'm so fricking proud of it. It is like, it is the ultimate guidebook for navigating your twenties. And I think any time of change. Yeah. It's, it was a labor of love as they say, but Krista and I actually wrote it.

And we were actually reading it the other day because we were doing a bit of content around it and

The book writing process is really interesting because there's so much like time and space between like when you actually start writing it, like when you're in the thick of it and then when it's coming out, it's just, it's kind of a trippy thing. So you kind of have this like weird liminal space of like, is it even good? What did we write? Yes. And then to come back and have the book in our hands and be reading it, I really, I'm, I'm just so proud. And I'm, I was thinking today, I'm like, I really felt the, um,

like big sister vibe of, you know, there's going to be a lot of people that are moving through. Yes. The almost 30 transition, but really through any big transition in your life. And we've been through so many of them, you know, so many aspects of our lives have changed over the years. And so I just, it felt, I don't know, it felt warm. It felt comforting. Um, I could imagine people reading this and just feeling like,

All those things. We have, it's funny, you know, it's like, it is a very dynamic read. So just like us, just like us, honey. So we were noodling on some of the things that we learned in our twenties and dude is like the way that, let me just, let me just, let me just tune into this. The way that I feel when I look back at my twenties is I just wish that I would have known how not lost I was.

And I think that I was just so desperate to feel on purpose, on path to be the person I knew that I came here to be and that all the searching was worth it. You know, all the excavation, all the searching and doing the growth work.

in your twenties or doing the self-reflection is so key. And it's so important, you know, when your prefrontal cortex is coming online in your late twenties and your Saturn return is happening, this is the time to evaluate the person that you are in that moment. Like a lot of the, what you've come into your mid twenties with is the version of you that was created and sculpted by your parents or by your economic status or by your, where you grew up. So you might,

Like me, I grew up in Ohio in a small town, so no one really had big dreams or aspirations for anything. Everyone had this certain way of thinking. And I kind of had that a little bit. I always had my own essence and my own vibe, but I always kind of had that go to school, get a job. And then after that, I didn't really have any dream beyond that.

you know, besides the normal American dream. And so this is the period for a lot of people when they're waking up to like, oh, I actually don't want to do that. I actually don't want to be that. I actually want to do more. I want to do something different. I want to become this type of person. I want to express in this way. And so that kind of discrepancy period can be really challenging, but it's also so beautiful because you're just kind of like cracking out of the programming. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a cracking. I, and also I feel like

I wish, you know, there would have been a rebrand of Lost, you know, because it is such a purposeful period in your 20s. And it might you might experience it a few times in your life where you're like, who am I or what do I want to be doing or where do I want to be?

And it can feel like you're lost because of that questioning and you look around and you feel like everyone else has it figured out. But it's actually such a potent, magical time where if you are living those questions and actually trusting that there will eventually be the next answer, then

that it's, that's the point of it. It's, it's, it's not like you're not on path and then you are on path. You were always on your path. And, you know, I talked to like my brother is in his late twenties and I have, you know, a few other people in my life that are at that point. And I've seen them in like really like dark, low moments. And the main headline is I just feel so lost and so alone. And I,

Yeah, it's hard to convince someone that you're still on your path. Like this is actually a part of it, you know? I know. It's so funny like because there is that. And I've been thinking about that a lot lately because I've been coming into this point with my clients and my work where a lot of cliches are now true for me. Like I feel in the truth and the embodiment of cliche where I'm like, oh, that's so true. You know, like it starts with you. It is you. Like you are the one. Like all that stuff. I'm like, oh, that feels so true. But when you're not in that, it's like you're like, shut up.

Maybe that's just me. That was my vibe where I was like, shut up. Don't tell me I needed to have that. But it is so hard to hear that. But it's interesting, the loneliness, because there is the loss. And then the loneliness is something that so many people feel. It's like a growing epidemic almost of people feeling lonely. Do you feel lonely? No. Yeah. And I think what loneliness...

When I felt lonely in my 20s, it was really because I wasn't being myself. For sure. It's exactly it. You're abandoning yourself. So it's like I wasn't attracting people that I felt at home with or comfortable with.

because I wasn't being myself. So it was just this like crossing a mix up of wires. Like I was just attracting the wrong type of people. So anywhere I went, I couldn't be myself and I couldn't connect with people. So I felt alone, even though I like quote had friends, I was around people, I was in communities or whatever, but I felt pretty alone, you know? And I think

I think that period in your late 20s is coming back to yourself, understanding like who you really are, what you desire, like what at least, you know, in a few senses, what you're meant for on this earth. At least at this time, you'll keep discovering it as you get older. But yeah, I think when I came back to myself,

and I remember this, especially in my like period of being single for quite some time. Like I remember at the end, I was like, I think I'm good. Like if I never met my person, I knew I was going to meet someone, but like, if I never met my person, like actually really, really down with me. Like, I'm just, I love spending time with myself. I respect myself. I, I feel all these things about myself that I didn't before. And that just felt, um,

Yeah, like the warmth and comfort that I needed for so long. Totally. Yeah, I think I know now so much about loneliness that it is the denial of self and aspects of self. You know, you feel lonely not when others are not around, but it's like you are not allowing yourself to be seen in all of the ways and you're over-indexing on the experience of just one version.

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Yours was definitely more like Rudy Toot masculine. Thanks, brother. I was in love with you from the day I met you, but it was Rudy Toot masculine. I don't even know what that means. I don't know what it means either. It was just Rudy Toot. It's so funny. It was just a little bit more like... Dude, watch on YouTube. I can't. It was like...

And now you're just like a slippery little fembot. Now you're just like a Swedish fish. It's just so weird because it's like, yeah, I'm trying to think. What was I in my SoulCycle era? Yeah, you were in your SoulCycle going hard in the paint. I was very much my like, I don't even know. I think as a former actress, sometimes I can take on the essence or

uh, mannerisms or whatever of people I'm around for sure. So I'm in the soul cycle world. People are super athletic and they're doing that. And you know, I'm like, yeah, that's the persona. So true. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know what I was. It's, it's hard for me to tell because I'm, I'm so in my own, in my own internal dialogue was like lost and confused. So I don't know what I was. I mean, I didn't perceive you as lost and confused at all at all.

I was definitely more masculine, like vibe. I think masculine in the sense of like, just like, we're going to fucking do this. We're going to do a podcast with me. No, I'm just kidding. No, I was. I had two boyfriends, you and my boyfriend. No, I had two girlfriends. You guys were my two girlfriends. And I was, I was very like,

This psychic energy of like doing was just like coming from outside of my field and just would like infuse everyone around me. My eye just twitched when I said that. That's how intense that was. That time of just being like doing. So basically the first one we would say is that trusting that this is all happening for a reason. It's okay to feel lost during this time. I think like a 1B of that is that

that we've even learned now is that change is constant. I remember being young and looking at my parents and being like, I'm going through so much change, you know, third grade, now fourth grade, it's crazy. And looking at my parents and being like, they don't even experience change ever. Like, I'm like, they're just like, once they're married, they're just living. Like every day is just repeat. And I can't believe the fact that, you know, so much change is happening consistently for every single person at all times.

you as a human, you and your relationships, you outside, you know what I mean? There's just so much going on. And so I think you realize during this time that change is constant, change never stops. And once we can get okay with that and get comfortable with change and a lot of what we share in the book is how to be comfortable and thrive during change, how to make change work for you, but it just never ends. Yeah. And it's, it's such an important one to, to, I guess, master in a way, because then I felt like a lot of things

fell into place or became, or I was less resistant. So for example, you know, when I reconnected with Sean and, and we were kind of starting our relationship and our relationship has changed so much and we've changed quite a bit and we'll continue to and, and experience change outside of ourselves and within ourselves.

I just, I feel like a lot of relationships get funky because you resist the change in yourself or the other person. So like when that starts to happen, I don't get scared anymore. I don't get like all fidgety. I'm just like, okay, like we're moving through something or I'm moving through something and I need to kind of

Let him know, you know, like it's less of a block. It's less of a battle run. You know, it becomes more of the DNA thing.

of your relationship. Same with friendship, same with your family, you know? Yeah. That's such a good one. I think that's a really good, even practical advice for anyone listening. You know, when you are navigating times of change, it's, it's, it's a softening in the body and an opening. Like I'm going through this experience. This is happening. This is moving through me. Like what aspects of me are resisting this thing, resisting this moment, because that's really what the challenge is. It's not the change. It's your resistance.

to it and your resistance to allowing it. You know, I think I was thinking recently how I've been maybe resisting...

Yeah, I think there's gripping, you know, there's just you have to notice the gripping, where am I gripping to my identity? Oh, my gosh, man, the grip, the grip that I have on my identity, the grip that you have on your identity or the grip that you have on self. And it's like, how can you just soften and trust and like move in that. So knowing that change is constant. And even past your 20s, it never really, it never really ends. Yeah. Yeah.

Should we talk about working in your 20s? Yeah. Actually, go ahead. Let me adjust the microphone. Come close, everybody. Come closer. This is my hot take that is not fun or cool. Most people, I don't know how people are going to feel about it, but I was thinking recently...

As I closed one of the doors in my four bedroom home that I'm so grateful that I worked my boot off my booty off. And when I was in my twenties, you know, I was not well, to be honest, I was burning out and that is not the vibe. I'm not saying that we should do that.

But I actually think that there is a time and place for working really hard in your 20s. And I think right now what's really tough, and I'll be real honest about this, is that in my space and work and wellness and spirituality or whatever kind of space I'm in, like public figure type, and I know you guys know a lot of people, public figure types like us or like whatever, right?

these women are working so fucking hard. Although part of the lifestyle is like balance, we're sleeping, you know, whatever, like we're sleeping. Yeah. We're sleeping. Like we're like, we are whatever. Part of the brands for so many people is balance. That's not actually happening. And I'm, and I'm not saying that guilty. I'm not saying that, that I'm not doing that. And I'm not saying that I'm lying or anyone's lying, but what I want people to know is that

to have the life that you want does require sometimes seasons. It doesn't, it's not your whole life seasons, especially as women seasons of hard work and a focus and a dedication. And I think people feel like they're working more than they are because they're on their phones all the time and they're working and doing more work than they are because they're on social media all the time. And when you're on your phone for 12 hours a day, 10 hours a day, eight hours a day, most of it's not actually working. And so there's this kind of

misconception with how much work people are actually doing. And so what I feel now is that I'm grateful for how hard I worked and the searching that I was doing and the chances I was taking and the risks that I was taking and the ability to look stupid and the ability to like really, really go for it and push myself. I think my thing was too, is that, you know, there's different types of people that are, have, there's different types of relationships with risk.

because I had quit my job and then had to work five jobs, working 80 hours a week, making fucking nothing for a few years. I was like, dude, I don't want to do that. I need to be working full-time corporate job while I'm building something.

So I was like, all right, I'm going to do two full-time jobs, my full-time job. And then our full-time job, I didn't want to get in debt more. So I was like, no, I don't want to be in debt. So someone could be like, I'm going to get in debt and do their thing and figure it out. But like, I didn't want to do that. So I'm grateful that I was like, I'm going to work really hard at this job and then do this thing while building. So

I think my hot take basically is to say not to burn yourself out or do anything crazy, but like, it's okay if you're working hard in your twenties to build a life that you love and to get outside of the systems that you don't want to be a part of anymore and to push yourself to a place where you eventually live a life that you love and become the person that you want to be. Yeah. And I think, you know, what, what people in their twenties today have that, yes, we had, but it, it was just kind of getting

started, I think is social media. So like, yeah, that's true. So you're, you're kind of seeing, like Krista said, the lives of other people that look really balanced, look really like, Oh, they're on a beach, like 70% of the time. And like, how did they do that? You know, whatever. Um, and so we get, it gets a little bit distorted on like either how they got there or what's really going on. And so I think for me, it was also important to

And we were doing this, but it was kind of a part of our DNA and honestly a part of our generation. We were in the girl, but we were, I mean, we, we, our twenties was girl boss era on a girl boss era. It was launch a program, launch a course girl boss era. This is my $29 course, but it was about like kind of going above and beyond. Like it was about working hard on something when you didn't know whether it was going to

be successful or not, or whether you're being paid or not. And I think that's, that's the difference between the generations. It's not better or worse. I'm just saying that I think millennials kind of have an, an older have kind of a,

mentality or experience where like, yeah, you do kind of like go above and beyond because you know, it's kind of investing in the future payback of it rather than nickel and diming for like, hey, so I worked like five hours over. Are you willing to pay? Just saying. I think it's really important that we

understand the value of kind of putting in more work for the return later. And I know it can feel like, well, I don't want to be taken advantage of, but you know, the frequency of that. So I think what I'm talking about is the, the personal decision. I am going to put in more, I am going to go above and beyond in my job, or I'm going to start this side business and work till the

freaking 11 o'clock every night, like just going at it. That's your personal choice to invest more now to go above and beyond to hopefully have that payback later. Yeah. And I think the last thing on that is the energetics of it. It's like, you know, the energetics of, I think my, you know, there was like, to be honest, there was two energetics. There was like, I need to become something because I don't feel enough. But then there's also like, I know there's more for me, you know? So when you're driven by that, it's like,

And that's kind of the fuel. But for a lot of people that are working, doing the, you know, I'm doing this work, I'm going above and beyond because I'm fearful and because I have lack mentality or because I'm going to build resentment is different than like, I want to do an amazing job. Yeah. I want to be amazing at what I do. I want to be top tier at what I do. And I think a lot, I just kind of want to break that perception that, um,

that your 20s needs to be the same lifestyle as the lifestyles you're seeing for people in your 30s and 40s and 50s. Like your 20s can be, because also just with that, it's a period of experimentation. Like you experiment. And so experimentation kind of leads you down different paths and directions that may not be fruitful, that may not lead you to, you know, they will take you the places where you need to go eventually, but it's like that kind of takes some of it too. Totally, totally. Yeah.

I feel like connected to that is also like our finances in our twenties was for me such a, um, what do you call that? Thermometer or, uh, barometer for how I would feel about myself, how I would feel about my life. So like I would, it's like my bank account would equal. Am I good? Am I not? And from what's my weight? Hmm.

Where I was like, my weight determined. Am I good? Am I not? Yeah. Yeah. Numbers are trippy because it's like, it's true, right? It's true to the numbers is true, but it's the, what's truer is like the value that you attach to it. So I think for me, what I learned is that

I had a fucked up relationship with money that I needed to heal. And I think a lot of us are walking around with that and not being honest with ourselves because it is such a shame point for people to talk about money, to talk about how they grew up with money and how it's affecting them now. Like people want everyone else to see the veneer of like, no, I've got it all together. But in my 20s, I absolutely did not have it all together. And I needed to learn many, many, many hard lessons in my 20s.

in order to respect my own money and actually figure it out. And I would say the lesson I learned, you know, was kind of,

I would say to my 20-something-year-old self, like, girl, you do not need to keep up with the Joneses and, like, put yourself in debt to do so. You know, I know it's hard to, like, not be, quote, included or feel as cool, but, like, we don't need to go to dinner Friday, Saturday night and spend 300-plus dollars. We don't need to go out and...

buy your 10 friends a round of drinks. You don't need to get a new outfit for the weekend. You're good. So I think I was just frivolous. And honestly, it was a way for me to numb out. It was a way for me to be like, fuck it, whatever. I'll deal with it later. And dealing with it later was so much more painful, honestly, trying to figure out how I was going to pay rent.

when I had just spent X amount of money, like draining my account. And like, I didn't even pay my runner bills yet. Huh? Just crazy shit like that. I also think, you know, cause you were just saying when you were just saying that you would buy people around a drinks and stuff, you're so generous. Like you've always been the most generous person with everyone on our team, anyone that comes in our space. And I think now it's like from a place of it's, it's genuine, it's, it's genuinely in your core. And I do think,

You've taught me to be more generous, actually. I'm generous in different ways, but I wouldn't say I'm always like that type of generous. But I think there's an aspect of that generosity that is I don't feel enough, so I'm going to buy stuff for people. I'm going to buy the drinks. I'm going to buy the rounds. You know what I mean? It's like how can I like take care of

I just, yeah, I just like taking care. I think my dad's like that. For sure. Like to a fault too. Like he kind of had the same thing where he like probably shouldn't have always, but like always wanted to just like take care of people. But I agree. There is like a thread of like, yeah. What if I didn't do that? Would people still notice that with dudes? I'm like, why do I want to buy you guys stuff?

Like I used to, all my boyfriends, I'm like, why am I buying you like season tickets to football? I was like, what? Like sometimes they'd be like confused. What is this? I think with finances for me, um,

You know, that was the period in time when I really understood that time was money. Where I was, I remember at my first job in management consulting in Chicago, I was like at my job and I remember getting my first raise and they were like, here's your raise, whatever. And I was like, what? And it was a good raise. Like it was for the best raise they could give. But I was like, so how do I get to

make three times this much. I was like, Oh wait, so it's going to take me, I'm going to invest 10 years of my life to get to three times this much. I was just like, Oh, that's not working for me. And that even when I was, um, working a bunch of odds and ends jobs to like try and make my life work. And I was like, I am working 80 hours a week and I'm making, I don't even know how much I was making 40 K a year, fucking late twenties, nothing, not nothing, but like it wasn't in LA, whatever.

And I just was like, wow, time is really money. And when you're out of alignment, you will not make the money that you want. Yeah. And when the more I've been able to cultivate my gifts, my skills, my abilities, the more I've been able to know myself, the more I've been able to take way less time and make way more money. Yes. You know, now it's like, okay, I can make this amount in this. And I'll never forget it. Our first speaking gig that we did, you know, we did one of our first speaking gigs that Lindsay and I did. I had, we had a full-time jobs at the time.

we both lied to take off work and we made more in that hour speaking than I did in two weeks. And I was like, oh, this is me being myself, using my gifts, my skills, my abilities. I'm not trying at all. I'm enjoying myself. I'm making more than if I kill myself for two weeks. Like this is what I want. And it was like those, taking those little moments to related to money or whatever and being like, ah, this is,

more of this, doubling down on this, double clicking on this, thanking God for the lesson and really, really seeing what's there. So I think when you can find what you're good at and you can truly like cultivate an inner sense of worth and idea of like your abilities, that's when you're really going to make the money. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

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I think the one that I wanted to talk about just because you were mentioning a little bit about the money thing that reminded me about body stuff was just my definition in self-worth was really based on my body and what I looked like and my weight during that time. And I truly believe that...

Women cannot be the people that they want to be or live the life that they want until they make peace with their bodies. The conversation around your body and weight that runs in the background all day long

is going to take all the energy from your life, all the vitality from your life, all the abilities from your life that you want. And like, it is just soul sucking and soul numbing. And it keeps so many people from being the person that they want to be. So it's like everyone will be doing all in this. I'll say, I'm saying everyone, let me talk for myself. I was doing all of the things, trying the jobs, trying the different things, you know,

pushing myself in work and career and purpose and self-growth and all that. But internally, it was, I'm never enough. No one's ever going to like me if I'm not thin or beautiful or whatever the thing is. And so if that's the internal voice, I could run around and do all of this stuff.

but this is going to stop me every time. And so I think when women can really make peace with their body as this place and this home for their soul, that is when you can really step into like a life that you love and doing this first will provide so much more clarity on what that life is. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean,

Yeah, I think for me, it was different in the sense I think I just wasn't listening to my body. So then my body was trying to send me a lot of signals all the time, whether it was about a relationship I was in or about the type of lifestyle I had. And it would come out in kind of nuanced feelings in my body or through acne or through inflammation. Like it was...

So intense through my voice. I would lose my voice on a regular basis. And I just learned through my twenties through kind of like putting my body through it. Um, how I really, I never ever want to be disconnected from her again. And like the connection is, what does that look like? It's, it's being able to tune in, in any moment, find my center, um,

ask what she needs and have that be just a constant conversation or what's up or like, man, how do I feel after I just like left that person, you know, and the body always has something to say. And I think just in that, you know, tending to that relationship with my body, um, I think I've respected her more because it hasn't been as much about what other people think of my body. Cause that's been like most of a lot of my life where it's like,

I was a soul cycle instructor. People are seeing me in like a bronze spandex all day. And like, I'm, I'm fit and they're seeing it for that. I was a fit model. So people are literally measuring my thigh and my waist like every other day. And, um, I'm an actress. So they're judging me on my looks, whether they say it or not, they're judging you on your looks. Um, I'm a bartender. I have the male gaze on me from six to 2.00 AM. It's like, it has always been about like

very body focused. And so not that I hated my body. I just, did you see it as a tool? Kind of? Yeah. Yeah. It was just like, it was like outside of me, if that makes sense. It was like objectification. I'm yeah. I'm making, this is for you all. Yep. This is not for me. And so the moment I was able to connect with her, it was so much less about that. And it was so liberating

so fucking liberating. And then you have a child and you're like, I don't give a fuck. It's just so nice. And then how the body responds to that is actually beautiful. I feel more confident than ever. Like, it's just like, it's such a weird thing where like, we focus on it for all these certain reasons. And the body's like,

I don't want you to focus on me like that. Totally. I actually want to connect with you in this way. Totally. And then it relaxes. And then the inflammation. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like this whole beautiful process. It's been so weird talking about weird is not the right word, but it's been interesting. And I feel like there's a lot in my life where there's an entry point of

of what I share that feels surface, but then beneath there's so much more. So if you talk about body transformation, body transformation, people, weight loss, changing your body, I've lost weight. I've changed my body. Yes. And there's physical things I've done to that. I talk about that, but there's also, it's just like, it's this, it's all this, it's all this more of how I talk to my body, how I am with my body, how I let, you know what I mean? It's just,

And you don't know that until you have it. And that's why diets fail or that's why all these things that people do and everything that I've done over my life has failed until I really found true self-acceptance. True self-acceptance of the body, you know, has just been the huge journey. So I guess my invitation for anyone listening in general or anyone, especially in your 20s, is really focusing on how you can

love, honor, and accept your body as it is in this now moment and bring peace to yourself and bring acceptance to yourself through tapping, through therapy, through somatic practices, through parts work, through metamorphosis, whatever the thing is that's going to support you, but that will change your entire life. And that will really support you in all ages and stages. But I think if I had that in my twenties, man, just having more years of body love would be really nice. Mm-hmm.

We've got a long life. I feel like there are so many opportunities when, you know, the body is going to, you know, pull you through some really momentous periods of your life where it's going to change, where it's, you know, like you have opportunities to kind of like recommit to that. Yeah. I just thought about that. I was like, don't speak too soon, sister. I know. And I think, you know, just to kind of like round out this conversation and it sounds like very simple, right?

But I wish I knew at the time that it does get better. You know, it does. I think I try to make where I'm at kind of like, oh, this is it. Like there's a part of my brain that believes like, no, this is it. People in Ohio were like, your college is the best years of your life, girl. Yeah, man. But that's, I think what fucks people up is that. What? Meaning like,

That's one example. College is the best... Are the best years of your life. Okay. Some people are like, Dude, single in New York City after college. This is the best. And some people are having the experience of, I feel fucking lonely. Yeah. I am so depressed. Yeah. I am... I have Sunday scaries every... You know, it's like...

There's kind of this like headline about certain periods in your life or where you're at. And you think you need to be experiencing that because everyone seems to be experiencing that. But the truth is like a lot of aspects of your 20s are kind of

crunchy and gnarly and like, and not the best years of your life to be completely honest. It does get better. And I were in our thirties and we're like, this is fucking amazing. But I'm also like, dude, life also gets even better as we keep it moving. Like that's so cool. So yeah. I think there's the perception that with youth, that youth is the best part, but it's like, and youth is dope, but I don't know when you become conscious and you

create your own life rather than living a life that someone else has planned for you. And a lot of in the book, we talk about how to create kind of your own life becomes better. I think that was my last thing was just remembering that your 20s is about discovery and creation. So it's discovering who you are truly discovering who you are. And that's not what everyone tells you to be. That's not the person that you've sort of sculpted by parental suggestion or media suggestion or whatever that is. But it's like the truth of who you are. And I mean that in like the most

nuanced way because I know there's like the truth, which is like you are radiant and powerful and divine and infinite and God and all these things. And then that's also like you are funny and interesting and charismatic. It's like the very human and the very spiritual. But it's about that discovery period about truly who you are and finding what your gifts are. And that's why I love tools. You know, astrology, human design can be really helpful for that gene keys.

And then it's about creation. Like, how can I create the life that I love? What is that creation for me? And being excited and moved by creation instead of fearful of it. It's like, be moved by the idea of creation, be moved by the excitement of creation and being able to like create the life that you love. Like what a beautiful, exciting time. And I just on the creation point,

fucking go for it. Like, allow your vision to be big. Yeah, take the next, like align step towards that vision in your 20s. Like, be, I guess I would, there are moments where I'm like, I wish I would have just like, really fucking gone for it. Or like, just, I don't know, I think there was like a hesitation that I personally had with some things where like,

I was worried about what other people thought, or I was worried that it would fail or I was worried. And it's like, I just fucking go over it though. We, we took a total risk with almost 30, you know? So that was, that's a huge one that I use as an example. Anytime I want to take a risk. For sure. For sure. I mean, there's so many, it was nice to have each other, you know, that helps. That's a huge thing. It helps finding like that person.

Okay, guys, I will love to hear too. For anyone that's over 30, what are we missing? Like, what would you say you've learned? And I'm saying, I'm actually asking this truthfully, not just like for like comments. I really actually want to know like what people have learned in their 20s so far.

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