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281: Optimizing Emotional and Physical Health: Insights with Dr. Joseph Mercola and Dr. Josh Axe

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Dr. Mercola discusses the root causes of mental health issues, emphasizing the strong connection between cellular energy production and mental well-being. He highlights the impact of processed foods and industrial seed oils on metabolic flexibility, and the role of critical thinking in navigating misinformation.
  • Strong connection between cellular energy and mental health
  • Processed foods and seed oils contribute to metabolic inflexibility
  • Importance of critical thinking and avoiding propaganda

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Traditional farmers are targeted for extinction. They will be extinct by the end of this decade if it continues on this trajectory. And we have to stop that because there's not many things humans need to do, but one of them is to eat healthy food if you want to stay alive. We're not going to survive on synthetic garbage that they're creating for us. It's not going to work. It's not going to end well at all.

So when you're farming, this is the reason, the point I'm going back to is that when you're outside farming, you get sun exposure. Imagine that. You're not inside looking at social media on your computer, watching TV or whatever. You're not indoors. You need to be outside for a significant part of the day. So most of us aren't there. We're not farmers. We have jobs. We have responsibilities. So what can you do? Practical limitations.

practical thing you can do is understand that there is a time value of the exposure. So it's great to be outside any time of the day, even at night, but the value from the biological radiation from the sun peaks at solar noon. Now, right now we're not in daylight savings time, so solar noon is solar noon, 12 o'clock. And when daylight savings time kicks in, typically after April 1st, then we

Go forward so solar noon is one o'clock. So to be outside with minimal clothing around solar noon for about an hour is a good goal. Welcome back to the Ancient Health Podcast, where we educate you on real health solutions that will help transform the way you live forever.

feel and overcome disease naturally. I'm your host, Courtney Bursage, along with Dr. Josh Axe and Dr. Chris Motley. We're so happy you've joined us. Let's dive into today's episode. Hey everyone, Dr. Josh Axe here and welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast. Today we are going to be talking to an old friend of mine, somebody I've known for so many years. In fact, I attended one of his wellness seminars. This would have been back in 2008.

2004, so 20 years ago. It's Dr. Joseph Mercola, and super excited to have him today. We're going to be talking about the link between emotional well-being and our physical health. We'll dive into Dr. Mercola's latest books and his fresh insights on health topics, and there's

always something new that I learn every time I talk to Dr. Mercola. And we're also going to be catching up on his recent endeavors and how he believes we can better integrate mental and physical health into our daily routines for improved health and well-being. And so, so excited to dive in here together. Dr. Mercola, thanks so much for coming on and welcome to the show. Happy to be here. Well, I want to

dive right in because there are so many questions I have for you. We maybe go 10, 12 rounds here. One of the first though is let's talk about the mental health today of the country. One of the things that I know you and I have noticed, I remember 20 years ago when I attended your first seminar, you talked a lot about insulin and

insulin resistance and the issues today regarding diabetes being on the climb, maybe faster than any disease when you looked at childhood diabetes and obesity. Well, today, when you look at the statistics, mental health issues over the past five years have skyrocketed. What do you believe some of the root causes are of mental health issues increasing so significantly? Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Well, I think there's many variables that contribute to it, but one of the ones that I'm passionate about is exploring the biological variables that contribute to that. And that's what I really spent the last 50 years exploring. So there's a real strong connection between your body's ability to create cellular energy, usually from the mitochondria, not always, but typically. And once that cellular energy production decreases,

You have less overall energy. Now, your brain is obviously where the mental health issues, right? It's in your brain. So it's 2% of your body, but yet consumes 20% of the energy your body produces. 20%. That's an extraordinary fact. So it strongly suggests that energy is important for the brain and for mental health. So in 2004, I haven't done really...

My own presentations, at least I've sponsored my own for about 20 years, two decades. It's a long time. I've spoken. I speak pretty much every year at someone's, but not mine. That might change in the future. It likely will. But for now, I haven't been. But when I was doing it back then, my understanding was insulin. And what I've come to appreciate since that time is that insulin is, for the most part, an innocent bystander.

It's not the cause in any way, shape or form. Yes, it is probably the single best biometric indicator of metabolic flexibility. And 95%, Josh, 95% of people in the United States are metabolically inflexible. Actually, the number was 93.4%. And that was done in a 2019 NHANES data. And so it's five years old. So it's probably over maybe 96% of the US because it's gone up literally straight up.

So what's the cause? The cause is not too much carbs, not too much sugar, but it is probably related to much processed foods because what's in processed foods universally and is not appreciated. Very few people understand this is a product of industrialization that occurred in the late, that started in the late or the American Civil War, 1870s.

where they attained the ability to extract oil from seeds, seed oils, or vegetable oils, what they're euphemistically called today, inaccurately, euphemistically. They're seed oils. And never before in human history, it was impossible to eat a seed oil prior to 1870. Now we eat them. And in fact, it's the primary fat that most people consume. And there's a consequence for that because these are really fragile, perishable fats.

that are highly susceptible to oxidative stress. And the fats themselves aren't particularly dangerous, but because they're so susceptible to being damaged, they form these really toxic metabolic byproducts. They're called oxalams, which is oxidative linoleic acid metabolites, and they're called other things too, but that's probably the most accurate. And there are many dangerous ones to some people for like 4-hydroxynonanol, 4-HNE, malondialdehyde. There are literally hundreds of these reactive aldehydes that

cause all the damage. And if you don't have high linoleic acid, you can't make them. So the solution isn't to... And it's nice to have antioxidants to protect you and stuff, but it would be better, you know, than I believe, and I'm sure you do too, that prevention is the key. So that, in my mind, is the most important change that's occurred that contributes to this. And yes, they're stressors. Yes, they brainwashed and propagandized us during the COVID and

People are dying needlessly and dropping like flies as a result of their suggestions and interventions and mandates and coercion. But fundamentally, those who are healthier biologically and are able to create cellular energy have good thyroid function. And really, their brain works. They can have critical thinking skills and they can function the way they were designed to. So I think that's the answer to your question.

Yeah, I think these are excellent points. And I think that one of the other thing, as you mentioned, I think culture in general, you know, social media, you know, right. People being addicted to their smartphones.

There's issues there as well, right? Affecting the younger people, mental health and well-being. I know one of the things that people are trading is spending time on their devices, whether it be a cell phone or a computer or a tablet. Instead of spending time outside, you were one of the first people I heard talking about the benefits of sunlight and vitamin D. Could you discuss a little bit more specifically why?

sunlight because it's more than just vitamin D right and get into vitamin D how does it impact us that was a very prescient question thank you for asking it because you know I've I'm writing a new book and it'll be out in the fall it's actually written but we're staging a whole variety of functions or activities around it so so I know what the book is and I've condensed 50 years of studying and

really seeking to understand biology and what optimizes it and summarize it to five points. And the very first one is what you said. I think the most foundational thing that you can do to stay healthy is to be in the sun. That's number one. And certainly for some of the reason is to optimize vitamin D. Now, please understand that means that,

A variety of things. First of all, you have to live in a location where that's possible. Most of us don't. I happen to live in Florida, so it is possible most of the year, although there's two to three months. Fortunately, we just escaped them as we're recording this. It's mid-March and I'm getting plenty. We only literally have about maybe two months of the year where there's not sufficient sunshine. Because of the latitude, the rays, you're not going to get sufficient ultraviolet B and the more important, which is near infrared.

So the first thing is you have to live in the right latitude to get the sun exposure. But even if you do, say you're living on the equator, if you're living indoors all the time and not going outside, exposing your skin to the sun, you're not going to benefit from that latitude. You have to be in the sun. You know, at the turn of the 20th century, do you know what the most common occupation was?

in America right farming farming is correct that is correct you got it it's my hope I fully why am I going there well for two reasons one is that ai is upon us everyone knows that and most likely will result in the loss of maybe a quarter of the jobs that exist right now I think that's highly likely so you're going to wonder what are these people going to do hmm

What could they possibly do? Well, you know, we have industrial agriculture, which is an abomination, absolute abomination, and certainly largely responsible for much of the disease, primarily because almost all of industrial agriculture uses these processed seed oils. That's what they do. That's what they make them. That's, you know, corn, soy.

These are all bad. These are not good news items for us. And yet that's a huge portion of what industrial agriculture is producing ostensibly as food. So what they can, what two points, one, I'm getting back to the original. There is a tangent. I'm, I know where I'm going. Just to assure you the, um,

What the people who are displaced by AI can do is return to farming and really serve as a substitute. Because one of my goals is to destroy industrial agriculture. And I think, and I'm grateful for AI to facilitate that transition back to the, to the earth. And when they're, and when they're farming conventionally, because they traditional farmers are targeted for extinction. They will be extinct by the end of this decade. If it continues on this trajectory. And we have to stop that because the,

There's not many things humans need to do, but one of them is to eat healthy food if you want to stay alive. We're not going to survive on synthetic garbage that they're creating for us. It's not going to work. It's not going to end well at all.

So when you're farming, this is the reason, the point I'm going back to is that when you're outside farming, you get sun exposure. Imagine that. You're not inside looking at social media on your computer, watching TV or whatever. You're not indoors. You need to be outside for a significant amount of the day. So most of us aren't there. We're not farmers. We have jobs. We have responsibilities. So what can you do? The practical thing you can do is...

Understand that there is a time value of the exposure. So it's great to be outside any time of the day, even at night. But the value from the biological radiation from the sun peaks at solar noon. Now, right now, we're not in daylight season.

savings time. So solar noon is solar noon, 12 o'clock. And when daily saving times kicks in, typically after April 1st, then we go forward. So solar noon is one o'clock. So to be outside with minimal clothing around solar noon for about an hour is a good goal. And maybe if you're really low latitude, single digit latitudes, maybe it's 15, 20 minutes because especially in the summer months.

So you'll need less. But the key is to get outside. And you properly suggested that there was more than vitamin D. It is. The primary issue, the other variable that virtually very few people appreciate is near-infrared radiation, near IR, which composes about 15% to 20% of the solar radiation. I think it's solar radiation, yeah. So the...

UVB, which creates vitamin D, is about 5%. So it's like four or five times higher than the wavelengths responsible for creating vitamin D. So you would think, yeah, but it's that much higher. Maybe there's some importance to it. And there probably is. And that would be correct. And so the question becomes, what does it do?

Have you thought about what it does or do you have any idea? Oh, yeah. Well, you're asking vitamin D or just sunshine in general? No, the near infrared radiation. Yeah. Well, I know one of the things it does is it's incredible for the health of our mitochondria. I mean, our cellular energy. Yeah. That is the answer. That is the correct answer. Gold star for Josh. That's correct. And it is absolutely essential for mitochondrial cellular energy production. But the more accurate question is how does it do it? How does it?

How does it cause it the most a mechanism? How does it produce energy? How does it facilitate energy production in the mitochondria? Yeah, well again, well I know I know probably a little bit more about how it does it in the liver But I'll let you explain it from the cellular standpoint. Okay. Well, well, it's actually subcellular mitochondria the There's mechanisms and none of these mechanisms proven My intention is to prove the latter which is probably responsible for 75% of the production and

And that is when the lights come down, they hit your tissues. And near infrared is not obstructed by water. It's not absorbed by water. For far and mid is. And as a result of that, because your body is consisted of a lot of water, it's bulk water typically. I forget the percentages. I should know that, but I don't recall what the percentage. But it's a significant percentage of your body, water molecules. And when there's water molecules in your tissue, the near and far ends do not penetrate. They only go down like a...

a sixteenth of an inch, maybe a 32nd. Just very superficial, top part of your skin. They do not penetrate your organs. The only thing that penetrates your organs is an infrared. So you think there's some secret sauce and there is. Because they're not hitting the water mouth. What do they hit?

Well, one theory, and it probably is responsible for 25% improvement, is it hits the complexes in the mitochondria. There's five of them. And the fourth one is the most important case, an enzyme called cytochrome C oxidase. And that enzyme contains metals, sometimes viewed as minerals, such as iron and copper. But they're metals. They're actually chemical metals. And they function as chromophores.

which means it's a fancy Latin word for it attracts light. It's, you know, it's like a magnet for light. So it goes there. And what does it do once it hits complex four? Typically as a result of metabolic inflexibility and biological impairment, there, there's an increase in nitric oxide and most of us think nitric oxide is useful, but in,

When it's high, it is not. It's actually pernicious and can cause lots of damage. So what the belief is, and it's probably likely true because there's a lot of anecdotal support around it, is that the near-fertilized light actually displaces. It's not a covalent bond. It's actually ionic, but it displaces. It's the energy provided displaces nitric oxide, and then complex IV can generate energy more efficiently than essentially because the next place is complex V, and that's ATP synthase, and you're generating ATP. Okay.

So that's 25%. The other 75% is likely related to the fact that it creates structured water. And in structured, do you know what structured water is? Yeah, of course. Yeah, wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of people drink it, but that's not the ideal way to do it.

I mean, it's okay. I mean, it's not going to hurt you, but it's not going to give the benefit that you need. And what is structured water? It's also called hexagonal water or gel water. It has a class of different molecular structures. It's not H2O, it's H3O2.

If you look at it molecularly, it's like a beehive. It's got these hexagons. And what it does is it stores the energy. It actually creates a differential electrical potential so that you have a negative and a positive. And that's like a battery. It serves as a functional battery. So it's...

What happens is there's items in your cells, and I'm not going to disclose it because I'm actually in the process of writing a paper, and I'm pretty confident it's going to be candidate for a Nobel Prize because this is a mechanism.

that has to do with how that occurs. I've discovered it. No one else has. I figured it out. But it's responsible for about 75% of the benefit of infrared light into the body, but essentially what it does functionally without disclosing the mechanism. It's a transducer. It converts a sunlight to stored energy in a battery, which then is transferred to the mitochondria, and that energy –

also increases the hydrogen ion concentration in the intermitochondral space, which is what's needed to drive ATP synthase. So it facilitates

production of mitochondrial energy. Very similar to the way glucose is a storage. When you eat enough glucose, your body doesn't use it. What does it do with it? I mean, if it's a lot, it can store it as fat, but that's kind of wasteful. What it wants to do first is use it for immediate use, and that would be going to your liver and storing it as glycogen.

So that when you're not eating, you're sleeping, that your liver has a supply of glucose because that brain, again, that energy, right? If you don't have glucose, you're dead. You are literally dead in seconds. You know, I don't care how much you're fasting, how much ketones you're making or ingesting as a supplement exogenously, you'll be dead. Yes, ketones supply energy to the brain. They're a cofactor, but they are not the sole source. If you don't have sugar,

Molecules in your brain you are dead There's no way around and to prove it give anyone in that dose of insulin and they'll die because it drops the sugar levels too hard too high or too low and you're dead you'll go into a hypoglycemic coma your brain stops working that's not a good thing that's why we have these they're called stress hormone responses like glucagon adrenaline and cortisol that

catalyze the formation of glucose so if someone's foolishly fast for a week which i don't think is a good idea for most people i used to think it was good but now i know it's not because i've

I learned from Dr. Ray Pete's work, who passed last year or the year before last, that that's not a good idea because stress hormones are real and they keep you alive. But, you know, when you're chronically activating your stress hormones and producing the emotional stressors, which was your first question, then it could be problematic. So actually fasting could contribute to those emotional stressors.

You know, it's not necessarily the best thing for you. And I would be very cautious about recommending fasting. I don't know if you're still involved in keto or low carb or intermittent fasting. No, no. You know what? I've never just done. I've never recommended keto for long term use. I've never. That's good. That's smart. Yeah. Yeah. Because of that very same thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's just stress hormones that do it. You know, because it all boils down to the brain needing sugar. There's no way around it. And if you're not ingesting it, as you should, because most people need it.

I would say a minimum of 150 grams of sugar a day, glucose, sugar. And the best form is, what would you say the best form of sugar is? If you're to get that, what's the. Well, I'm a huge blueberry fan, but you know. Well, that's the right answer. Maybe not necessarily blueberries, but blueberries is sort of a, because there's a lot of good polyphenols. And if you have a healthy gut, those polyphenols are actually very beneficial to improve gut health. But if you don't,

Have a healthy gut, as most people don't. They don't have a healthy gut. Then blueberries can be problematic, highly problematic, because there's fibers in there and the fibers are digested. When you have an unhealthy gut, you have a predominance of pathogenic bacteria. Gram-negative facultative anaerobes that are embedded in their cell walls is endotoxin or lipopolysaccharide LPS.

And when they are fed and fertilized and grow and die, that endotoxin is a potent metabolic poison. It just suppresses mitochondrial function and in large doses can kill you from septic shock. And that does happen to many people every year because they die of endotoxin toxicity because they've got microbiome imbalance.

That's a paradox because some fruits can be dangerous if you have an unhealthy gut. So it all depends. It all depends. But your fruit, I believe, is the healthiest carbohydrate you could possibly eat. And I eat like four pounds of watermelon in the morning. And I have oranges and apples throughout the day. So I'm a big fan of fruit. And I think most people need 150 grams. Going to 50-gram low-carb is –

you know, prescription for disaster in my viewpoint. And many people believe that and follow that, but I would encourage them to reconsider and follow some of Ray Pete's work about the stress hormones. But, you know, I think most people benefit from hires. I'm personally floating around 400, 450 grams of carbohydrates a day. So I feel really good with it. And I, you know, my, I guess what I measure my insulin like every two weeks or so, guess what it was last time. You won't believe it.

It was unmeasurable. It was less than 0.4. Wow. Now, that's pretty exceptional with 450 grams of carbs a day. So, clearly, it's not causing insulin resistance in me because that is the best metric.

for metabolic flexibilities, a fasting insulin should be below three. It doesn't have to be below 0.4 or unmeasurable. And I think Quest doesn't even, they only go to below two, but LabCorp does have a lower threshold sensitivity and they go to, I didn't know, I actually beat that for the first time. I never got down below 0.4, which is interesting. So it's low. Have you measured your fasting insulin? Yeah.

- You know what, not for years. I did years ago, it was low too. - Yeah, I imagine it is, yeah. - Yeah, it was pretty low. This is why, now it's been years, I use one of those continuous blood glucose monitors. - Yeah, CGMs, yeah. - Yeah, and that was so interesting, 'cause there were certain things that I thought, I wanna give you an example of this.

There were certain foods, there were certain fruits that really caused my numbers to jump a little bit more. But then for instance, just give example, potatoes, my body acted like I could eat potatoes all day and it didn't seem to affect it. - Yeah, yeah. Potatoes actually is a decent, if you have a healthy gut, it's particularly good.

and rice you want to cook them though really well you don't want to even know they're very toxic so you have to cook them really well ideally the best way to cook potatoes and boil them in a pressure cooker and they'll cook them pretty well or rice too same thing white rice not brown rice yeah yeah i'm curious i can recall you know when i when i when i first heard you lecture there we you talked a lot about vitamin d and you've promoted and talked about so many different

nutrients over the years. Today, where you stand, what do you believe are the top nutritional deficiencies we currently have today?

well vitamin d is one but it's not a vitamin deficiency it's a sun deficiency it's a marker it's a biomarker for sun exposure essentially and unless you're taking a supplement then it's not but you know the the initial studies the epidemiological studies that showed all the benefits of sun exposure and the massive impact it had on immune diseases like ms would be a classic example uh really well documented and they you know that people weren't doing vitamin d

testing or even taking supplements until I started that. I catalyzed that. I don't know if you remember that. I believe it. I'm sure. I was the one who was heralded, shouting from the rooftops that vitamin D is a big issue because I believe in sun exposure and I've continued that belief.

But, you know, I-- - Well, and I remember you getting so much flack. Listen, I remember you getting so much flack from people saying, there's this crazy doctor saying, you know, we should get direct sunlight exposure and not, you know, the toxic sunscreen on our skin. And I remember you getting a hard time for it, but then the entire medical community adopted what you've been preaching for 10 years. So yes, absolutely. - Well, actually closer to two decades. 'Cause they started recommending it in early 2000s, 2024. That's almost a quarter century. - Yeah.

so you know i'm very grateful it's one of my massive biggest to date clinical achievements is to help the community understand the importance of vitamin d you know because they've got a big platform people read it and they pass it around and it's hard to stop information like that from going around it did it people start and they regularly test it but and actually uh

i'm in the process that you ever i don't know if you read the mitochondrial research but there's a assay called the seahorse assay have you ever i haven't read that one no yeah it's the gold standard for measuring mitochondrial function or respiration

It's a complex series of assays, very difficult to do. The equipment is not very expensive, but it's a very tedious assay. And you couldn't freeze a sample, so it would cost thousands of dollars to do one test. It's not available in any lab. It's a research tool only. So I actually am working with a company and acquired a patent from UCLA, or at least a license, rather, to advance that technology so that we can commercially assay that and prove some of my theories. Because it's basically...

a research tool that you can document a person's mitochondrial function you can implement an intervention and do pre and post and see the differences in how the mitochondria are working and you know really define it objectively not just oh yeah your mitochondria better well we can measure it you can actually measure it so that's pretty pretty interesting that's some of the research i'm doing later this year writing papers on it uh

But getting back to the other nutrient deficiencies, because I do seek to honor and to answer your questions, commit to that. Certainly vitamin D is one, but again, not to take a supplement. I haven't taken vitamin D in coming up on 20 years. Yeah, maybe 15, 15, 16, but it's coming up on 20. At some point, some of it will be 20 years. I just don't take vitamin D supplements. And throughout most of the summer last year, my vitamin D was in triple dizzers.

- Wow. - Triple digits. - What do you believe the normal range should be for vitamin D? 'Cause I know your recommendations are much higher than the, you know, RDA. - Well, 60 to 80 is the goal for most people. But if you're getting it from the sun, there's no concern because you have intrinsic bio or feedback mechanisms which limit it. So, you know, you don't have to worry about it. You know, and lifeguards will tend to get readings closer to 100. And there's a lot of cofactors to go with. And one of the cofactors, two primarily, one is K2, the other is magnesium.

So I take sufficient magnesium. And if you don't have those cofactors, sometimes you can expose the sun and it won't work. So that's a good thing to take. Most people are deficient in magnesium. That's probably one and two is vitamin D and magnesium, I would think. And the other one, as it's somewhat related to my previous thing, is a food that most people don't. There's two primary foods that people don't get enough of. They're starting to emerge some data now that suggests that taking supplements like glycine, which I'm sure I've heard of,

is really useful. And it's useful for a darn good reason because it's one of the three primary amino acids in collagen. And it's the smallest amino acid. And collagen is in connective tissue, like skin tissue,

hair, nails, tendons, ligaments. That's what it's made of, even bones. There's a big significant component of collagen in bones. It's an extracellular matrix that supports your tissues. It keeps you standing and moving and it gives your body structure, essentially.

And if you don't get enough, you're not going to, you cannot build healthy collagen if you just have meat. It won't work. There's not enough of those rate-limited amino acids. There's three. Glycine is one, proline, and then hydroxyproline, which has a lot to do with the research I'm working on. It's hydroxyproline. Forms a very magical function in the body that I will reveal later this year.

But those are the three magic amino acids and they are a repeating structure within collagen and it actually forms a triple helix. And a very special sauce, what happens with a triple helix. And I've kind of identified what that is. But essentially...

If you're not eating connective tissue, and most of us don't, and most of us have stopped eating Jell-O as a dessert in the 50s and 60s. I mean, you can still buy Jell-O, but now it's a perversion. It's not what it used to be, which is just gelatin. And gelatin and collagen are almost identical. Gelatin is a little more processed. Collagen is typically a bit healthier. And you can make collagen. The ideal way to get collagen is by making it. And most people...

Make it. I started with, I'm sure you've heard of Natasha McCampbell. Oh, yeah. Campbell McBride. That's it. Natasha Campbell McBride. She's a neurologist, had an autistic child, and popular as a diet called the GAPS diet. And the big portion of the GAPS diet was bone broth. And I tried to make it back then. It was in the early 2000s.

And it's such a pain. You got to cook the bones for 72 hours. Who's got time to cook bones for 72 hours? I learned and I figured out others that figured it out too, but there's a much simpler, more efficient and quicker way to do it. You have any guess on how to do it? You might, you're pretty smart. A faster way to make bone broth? Yes. Well, you can do a pressure cooker. That's it. I knew you'd get it. Yeah. Pressure cooker. Yeah. Four hours. Yeah.

If you have organic grass-fed bones, and the best are beef. Beef is the best. I would be careful of chicken bones because the fat in chickens, unless you're raising chickens based on a protocol developed by Ashley Armstrong and is being spread across the country, and I'm helping her with that, and actually having a brand of eggs called golden nuggets because they are organic.

one fourth to one fifth, maybe even one sixth less linoleic acid than a normal egg. In other words, you can eat six of her eggs and you have as much linoleic acid as in one of the commercial egg.

That much lower reduction and it doesn't matter if the LA is from a healthy food Like eggs is still dangerous and when quantities exceed a certain threshold It was just typically about two grams a day certainly more than five grams a day and almost everyone now is getting 10 15 20 grams a day So what you get over four or five grams you reach a threshold where you're increasing your risk for almost every disease especially cancer I think that's cancer and estrogen or estrogen

And linoleic acid and endotoxin are the three primary causes of cancer because they all destroy metabolic function and they cause this

When your mitochondria don't work, you have to resort to a primitive form to create energy, anaerobic fermentation. So that's creation of cellular energy, not in the mitochondria, but in the cytosol, in the cytoplasm, in a primitive pathway called glycolysis. And that's not efficient at all and generates lactic acid and causes lots of problems. And that's what happens when you're metabolically inflexible. You go towards that pathway, and that's a cancer pathway. Bad news. Bad news.

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Yeah, it's so interesting what you're saying. You know, I there there is a company that I work with. They do blood work and they had told me and they test, you know, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people. And they said when they were looking at the deficiencies, the most common ones, the top three micronutrients were vitamin D, magnesium. And I want to say the third was zinc.

It could be. Yeah, for sure. So you're spot on with what you're sharing. And then again, collagen, we know. And you know what's so interesting? Well, there's one more I want to mention. It's in eggs, in healthy eggs only. And actually, we're going to make a form of this that doesn't exist because there is no healthy supplement for this nutrient. So do not take this supplement as a nutrient. You have to take it as food. And the only food that's high in is eggs. Egg yolk, not the whites. I do not recommend eating egg whites. I do not eat egg whites.

I only eat yolks. The whites are loaded with tryptophan, which is a precursor of serotonin. Serotonin is not your friend in high levels. You do not want excess serotonin. So, yeah.

The nutrient I was referring to is choline. Almost everyone's deficient in choline, choline and collagen. And unless you're eating egg yolks, you're not going to get it. I mean, you need like 400 or 500 milligrams a day. Even one egg yolk only is 125. But that's the highest form of source of choline. I mean, you can get it in the liver, but the amount of liver in it, you'd get toxic in some of the fat-soluble vitamins like vitamin A. So the best source is egg yolks.

And that's why I think almost everyone would benefit from healthy eggs. But if you got the LA, it's like putting a rock in a hard place, you know, but you can't. I personally raise my own chickens. I have 25 chickens. Wow. And I have a guard dog to protect against a predator. So, you know, but because I've had like over 50, 60 chickens killed by predators. That is a problem because they're so hard. They're so dangerous.

They have no defenses. They're just like dessert. Yeah, yeah. And it's good dessert by predators because they're very low LA. I don't give them hardly any LA. It's very similar to astrocytes because I use a formula to feed them. So that's good.

So we were talking about nutrients and I forgot where I left off. It was zinc you mentioned. - Well yeah, and you were talking about choline and the incredible benefits there. Yeah. - Yeah, choline is a precursor for acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter for the parasympathetic nervous system. Most of us, it doesn't function well. So yeah, and it has a wide variety of other functions.

But your health is not, is gonna be challenged if you're not. It actually is a, I think forms of phospholipid too, which is important for structural function and other metabolic or biochemical characteristics, not characteristics but functions that we have. So choline is, you wanna be really careful. And there's nutrient trackers like chronometer that you can use to input that are free and you just input your food and it'll tell you how much you're getting. So you don't have to guess. You can look at these foods.

And you can look at your protein constituents too. So, you know, although pronomer doesn't do well for measuring, they'd only put the essential aminos and glycine is not considered an essential amino acid, but it should be. It's kind of a misnomer really, because it's by their definition what they can say. Yes, it's essential if your body can make it, but if you can't make it in sufficient quantities for you're required for health, then it becomes essential.

Which is what happens with glycine. Even though your body makes glycine, it can't make enough because your requirement is so high that you have to get it in your diet. Otherwise, you're not going to be healthy. You cannot make enough glycine to be healthy. It's impossible.

One of the things that myself and Jordan, Ruben, we've talked about this a few times when we started really getting into bone broth and using it and looking at how much of our body's made up of these collagen proteins. It's like one third. One third, yeah. One third of the proteins are collagen. That is a mind-boggling

bending fact and congratulations to you for for knowing that because most people don't no but here's my question for you i want to get your thoughts on this is that you know i remember when dr sears came out with this and you were sharing this around the same time you were the first two people i heard say this in terms of these omega ratios right we need more omega-3s are the omega-6s are way too high that's causing inflammation do you think there's a similar

phenomena, a similar aspect to balancing out your collagen proteins and more of these. No question. Absolutely. Yes. And that's well documented. You can just look up the literature, the excess of certain amino acids in meat, like methionine, serotonin or tryptophan. And then I read another study that said. Decreases in longevity.

But if you balance it out with collagen, then it's okay. Yeah, because I read another study. So it was like methionine could decrease your lifespan, but glycine could increase your lifespan. Glycine to methionine ratio, right? But there's also histidine and there's tryptophan. So these are things that you do not want. You need some. Yes, you absolutely need some. But when you go excess and you eat just an all-meat diet, like carnivore,

Not a good idea unless you're eating the connective tissue. Some people do. They eat the bone broth. That's the easiest way to get it. It's the bone broth. This is a pearl for you because you probably don't know this. But if you have a pet, you should. You can go to a butcher, preferably a butcher from a grass-fed organic cow, and get what's called the knuckle bone. Have you ever heard of the knuckle bone? Probably haven't. It's not a knuckle. It's actually a butcher term for the hip bone or the knee bone. It's a joint. And

And they're about the size, you can hold it with two hands. It's not huge. It probably weighs, I don't know, two to four pounds, depending on the size of the animal. And you can take one of those bones and put it in a pressure cooker, fill it up the water up to above the bone, and then turn it on for four hours if it's an organic grass-fed cow. If it's not organic, then you only do it for two hours because you're going to leach out some crap out of the bones that you don't want. So the four hours is better, but only if it's a healthy animal.

And then you let it cool down. And here's the key that's sometimes forgotten is that once it's cooled down, you put it in the refrigerator overnight or in the freezer if you're going to do it in an hour or two. And then you skim off the fat. Skim off the fat. You don't want to keep the fat in there. And then you've got bone broth. That's some of the best bone broth you can get. You can't buy bone broth that good. Fresh and made from healthy bones. I mean, that's the perfect bone broth. And that bone –

If you want to have healthy pets, that's another passion of mine, is because pretty much every pet food that's sold is going to decrease your pet's lifespan by almost 50%. 50%. It's worse than human nutrition. And they've bastardized the rules to prevent any other company from competing. And prevent them literally makes it illegal to put good foods in there, like animal fats. Yeah. Yeah.

So you have to make your own. And it's pretty easy to do. You can just give them – the diet for cats or for bones – I mean for dogs is bones, raw bones, not cooked bones, raw bones, meat.

And meat. Bones are full of connective tissue. So they don't have to worry about eating the meat, but they'll eat the fat too. And they get the connectives. They got the perfect balance. That's literally. And then of course the organs, you know, or liver and heart, but not large amounts, maybe an ounce or two a day, depending on the size of the dog. And, and that is a perfect, they're, they're literally eating nose to tail.

They're eating all the connective tissue, they're eating the muscle meat, and they're eating the organs. And that is a prescription for health. And the bones. And if you don't give your dog bones, they will have dental decay and they'll have their teeth pulled because they're rotting because the bones are what's required to clean the dental plaque from their teeth. And when you give them bones, like every day, they will have the cleanest teeth and they'll never have dental disease.

Yeah. It's amazing. And, you know, that's what they need. And, you know, so I know it's not human tantrum, but a lot of people have pets. I want to ask you one more question about pets. When you think about pets and you think about obviously the food, feeding them raw, as you talked about, real food, what are some of the other things? If there is one supplement that a dog would need, that dogs tend to be deficient in, what are the top one or two? The top one, the only one I give my dog. Yeah.

Crushed eggshells, a half a teaspoon. Really? Why? Calcium. Yeah. Calcium. And calcium, we're actually going to make a product out of this, but crushed eggshells from healthy chickens actually have collagen in the membrane. The membrane inside, yeah. But you can dry them and crush them up in a –

coffee grinder or a bigger mixer if you have more. And you can have the best calcium supplement out there. And you just put it in their food, they'll eat it. It's calcium carbonate primarily. And highly baroabsorbable. And guess what else it is? It's a trace mineral supplement. Go figure. And guess the only problem is it costs too much. It's free. So that would be the supplement I give them. Technically it's not a supplement, it's a food. They're eating the eggshells.

And I do not feed my pet the whites at all. I just give them the yolks. Because just like we do, they need the choline. My chickens, I had some problems with them. I'm only giving them two a day, but I'm going to give them six a day pretty soon. Six yolks. Wow. Amazing. He's a big dog. He's going to be 150 pounds. Yeah.

You know, one of the things that I've been I've admired so much about you for so long, Dr. McCall, is that you've always been very outspoken. You know that whether it is the covid pandemic or the pharmaceutical companies using Roundup years ago or the over prescription of medications, you've always been the first person I can think of.

to speak out against these people with really no fear. I'm curious to get your thoughts. I wanna go to Roundup and some of these chemicals, the insecticides, the pesticides. What are some things people need to be aware of when it comes to these chemicals? What are some of the side effects and what are some of the things people can do in terms of just consciously avoiding them? - Okay, that's a good question. But I can acknowledge, thank you for the comment and the fear, I happen to be allergic to fear.

I'm allergic to fear. And that's because fear is a thought that resides in your mind. And we run into serious problems if we're in our mind all the time, because that's a thimble of knowledge compared to the ocean of infinite wisdom that's available outside of that. And when you access that, there is no fear there. None. Zero. When you connect to your consciousness or some people call spirit or energy, it's just not there. There is no fear.

So, it's easy to do these things if you're in that space. I tend to spend a lot of time there. So, that's what I enjoy doing. So, with respect to the Roundup, it's interesting. Glyphosate, it sounds familiar. Gly, glycine. Well, glyphosate is glycine with phosphates on it. That's all it is. So, there are some scientists like Stephanie Seneff who speculate that it's

It is a substitution into the amino acid because it's there, it's present and it gets plugged in to the DNA sequence or the RNA that is the instructions to make the proteins. Right. The transcription of the proteins. And.

That would be a problem. Some others suggest hysteric hindrance or just the physical characteristics of the size of the molecule may be a problem. But clearly, it's a metabolic poison. It's...

It should not be in your body. And fortunately, there's very simple and easy ways to avoid it. One is, you know, it certainly would be make sure you get enough connective tissue would be ideally or take glycine. If that hypothesis is correct, then, you know, you'll have a sufficiency of glycine will prevent it being integrated, that glyphosate molecule being integrated into your proteins. Secondly, is to just avoid GMOs. And sometimes that's hard.

especially with grains because many grains like wheat would be the classic example. It's not a GMO grain, but they use it to dry the wheat and they don't even have to put it on the label. So when they cut it down and harvest it, the easiest way for them to do is spray glyphosate on it. Wow. So unless it's organic wheat, it's going to be most likely glyphosate.

So it's pervasive. You know, if you're healthy, you get sun exposure and you do sauna. Sauna was to be another way to help detox it out of your body. I do a sauna three days, three days a week. I've been doing right before this interview. And I think it's a good practice to get into. If you run, I don't, I used to be a runner. And during those days, I didn't need to take a sauna because really the reason sauna works is it's caused to sweat. And when you sweat, you excrete the toxins.

So if you're sweating regularly, you don't need a sauna. But most of us don't. And since I stopped running, gosh, it's almost a quarter century ago, I need a sauna. And I think most people, unless they're doing cardio or they're sweating all day, they need to do a sauna to benefit from it. Yeah.

Yeah, that's great. So, so what, one thing that I, again, I've noticed that you've done over the years is you've been very advanced in terms of some of the tech and doing some different everything from you were one of the first people to talk about infrared saunas and, um,

You know, using things like this for our health, hyperbaric chambers, you know, you had talked about many years ago. I've explored some things that I'd later find out may not be as good as I thought. Hyperbaric chambers were one of them. They have the utility for sure. They helped a lot of people, but it's not a great innovation as I initially believed.

So there are other simpler ones. One of the best, what do you think the best, I've been exercising since 1968, Josh. That's a long time. That's 56 years. That's a half a century more than half a century. So what do you think I've concluded is the best exercise?

I'm going to guess weight training. No, you're guessing correctly. It's a useful exercise, and it's something I do engage in. But interestingly, there was a study published in July of last year out of the University of Minnesota. Walking. Walking.

Yeah, walking. It's walking. Walking because it's a moderate exercise. Resistance training is pretty pernicious, actually. It's actually toxic. And you can see that by the people who bodybuild. They tend to die early, a lot of them. These are not people who live in the centenarians, typically. So does that mean you shouldn't do it? No, you just have to do it wisely. And wisely is like less than two hours a week. And I was

There were days I was actually working out two hours a day. You know, I got to be pretty buff too. I mean, especially for someone 70. So, you know, it definitely does work. And this is value. You don't want to be sarcopenic and you get older. But on the other hand, you don't want to stress your body that much. And walking doesn't. The study that was published last year showed pretty clear. I actually interviewed the author of the study. He was a male clinic fellow, I think. And he said,

I found that there was no J curve for walking. In other words, the more you walk, the better benefit you got. It was actually like a 40% decrease in mortality with just walking. Wow. Just walking. But you got to do it. And the beautiful thing about walking, it doesn't have to be all at once. In fact, it's probably better if you break it up. The more you break it up, the better. So you can do a two-hour walk and you can do –

just say an hour walk or you do four 15 minutes walks, you know, the four 15 minutes would be better. A hundred percent better because your body likes to break it up during the day. You don't want to be static. You know, I'll say so. Walking would be the best for sure. Resistance training is good. Flexibility training. I'm actually, I'm,

developing a few things, developing something called 22nd century medicine. And a subdivision is that 22nd century yoga, which is a mobility movement. Actually, mobility medicine is what I'm calling it. And I released some of my first chapters on the site next week. You would know this. You're a chiropractor. What percentage of population has adult population has cervical problems, neck issues? Make a guess. I mean...

At what age? No, adults. Adults. Adults.

Not kids. 70%. Close. You're pretty sharp, Josh. No, 80%. Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. That is a lot. No, you don't see patients now, but when you were, you saw a lot of neck problems. Yes. So there are simple things you can do, sunlight being one of them, and exercises, mobility movements, because typically yoga doesn't address the neck. They don't. I mean, maybe there's some derivatives of yoga that do, but they typically don't address the neck. And that's 80% of the problem.

You know, cervical degenerative disease is real and pervasive. So, you know, I've developed, it's actually an article I'm publishing. I think it's next week. Yeah, I think it is next week. Yeah. And I integrate things like active, isolated stretching and something I innovated. I call it the circle eight or infinity symbol and moving your neck in a infinity symbol.

Doing that in conjunction with near for a light on your cervical spine. So, you know, that's this is 22nd century yoga I created. Yeah Wow, yeah because you the goal the goal. So what are the metrics of health? Right? How do you know you're reversing biological age? It's it's an interesting question because I can assure you that DNA methylation is not the answer. It's confusion It gives you false information

But it's pretty simple. What are the biological functions of humans? And you age parameter that. So, wouldn't it be - would you consider yourself less biologically old if you had the mobility of a child? Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't you? I mean, that's pretty - or if you could see as well as a child, or if you could hear, or if you could taste, or you can smell as well. So, it's your biology that gives you the clues and you can measure these things. So, those are the metrics that need to be done to determine biological age.

And then mitochondrial function, too, would be another even more fundamental one. So the metrics that longevity medicine has are bullshit, essentially. They're almost meaningless. Almost meaningless. And another metric is grip strength. Do you ever measure your grip strength? No, you know what, though? I had read that. The only way I've done that is through...

I read a study on this a couple of years ago. And so one of the things I started doing was just hanging from a pull-up bar. So I get up to about two minutes. You nailed this. That's definitely part of mobility medicine for sure. How long are you hanging for?

I'm up to like two minutes. Wow. Congratulations. That's an A plus. Yeah. The only reason I know, so let me tell you, I had a great dad growing up. My dad, he was an old military guy. He was a great guy. He's still alive? Yeah. He's in his 70s. They live in Florida. They're great people. But before I walked in from the garage, he put in a pull-up bar and he said,

I want you to do pull-ups every day before you walk in the door. So, I mean, I was able to at one point do almost 30 pull-ups. So I actually had a little bit of an advantage. Now, this was when I was 18 years old. That was impressive. Nevertheless, anything over 20 is like world-class almost. It's really hard to get over 20 because you lose the energy to do it. I mean, obviously, your muscles do it, but you just don't have enough energy.

you can't create enough energy to do it. That's fantastic. There's very few people who could have ever done 30 pull-ups at once. Very few. Yeah, well, that's the one thing I can, you know, probably the one physical sort of area I could have bragged about. But yeah, that's all thanks to my dad, for sure. Well, thank you. Yeah, your dad, our parents are, you know, it's very rare to have

Two parents that love you. But if you do, as you very well, your dad obviously did. Oh, yeah. Your mom did too. Then you're set. There's only one person out of 50 who has that privilege. Only one. I happen to have a two. So my both of my parents love me tremendously through the roof.

And that allows you to function in the culture to do things that are extraordinary. Now, you can get that benefit by yourself, but it's really hard. It's really hard. And that's a big portion of what I'm doing with the book that I've written is helping people understand it and implement strategies to connect back to their consciousness and spirit.

Because it's a big thing. One of the ways is to be biologically healthy, for sure. Improve mitochondrial cellular energy production. Because the energy we produce in our mitochondria is almost identical to the energy we came from. It's a mind-bending concept, but it's true. And the energy that we ultimately return to is really simple. It's almost identical. And we create that in our bodies when we're alive. And then when we pass, we return to energy. So,

So but it's interesting. It's a similar type of energy, almost identical. Wow. So and one of the ways, you know, so by engaging in production, not only do you improve your biological health, but you improve your spiritual health and your ability to connect your consciousness and and you have access to resources and wisdom that is not available in your mind. Just isn't because your mind is usually polluted with brainwashing propaganda.

Typically. Yeah. Typically in our culture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. You know what? One of the things, one of the last things I'll just say, let me just mention this because I want to mention it for you is that I would go to Amazon and look up a dynamometer. They cost about $25.

And you can measure your grip strength. I'll bet you you're close to 60 kilograms. This is about maybe 130 pounds. If you can tank for two minutes, you're about 130 pounds. I can, I can mine. I'm about 125, 128 pounds or 50. I think it was almost 60. I was like 58.8 kilograms.

But they're – yeah, $25. It's all – you know, because you think, oh, this is a $400 instrument, and I don't know how to interpret it. It's a digital instrument. You turn it on, and you go – you just press it. Then you'll know your grip strength. But grip strength, it is clearly associated with – it's probably one of the most powerful ones associated with longevity, very accurate. And because you cannot do this. You cannot – you have to have strong muscles, but you have to be able to create cellular energy to do that. So congratulations. Two minutes is phenomenal. Most people –

they will have trouble getting to 30 seconds.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I was reading. Yeah. Especially over 60. The number is extremely low. It really starts to. Yeah, I can get to two minutes pretty regularly, but it's not easy. It's not easy. It's definitely a feat. You know, there's not many seven year olds that can do that. Oh, yeah, there's some. But I've actually done three minutes of I cheat. And by cheating, you can put liquid sticky stuff on it. And you're just like glued to the glue to the bar.

That's funny. That's so good. I am incredibly impressed. One of the last things I want to share is that you've done such an amazing job in something you had referenced earlier, and that is...

And I want to give a quote of this, and you've heard this before, but, you know, John D. Rockefeller said, I don't want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers. And so one of the things I think that more and more people, I do feel like going through this COVID pandemic, there were a lot of people that were asleep.

And most haven't woken up, but a lot more have. I think a lot more people are aware now because they just tried to force things on us in such a strong way. And I think that

Most people don't think, like I think Carl Jung, the famed psychologist said, most people don't think, it's hard, that's why most people don't do it. But one of the things that you've really inspired so many people to do is be able to think, and you were one of the first people I remember who said, well, you asked, a way to get to the truth is to ask why, again and again and again and again to where you get to the root. And so you've done such a phenomenal job of just being able to do that with people. And so one of the last questions I have for you is,

How have you or how do you recommend people that listen to this? How do you recommend that they learn to think? How do you recommend they learn to start to get to the root of the issues like you have done? Because again, you've really been able to do this to get to the root of the problems really earlier than so many people. Well, I think it's a great question and it's not a simple answer, but it just goes back to the basics. And the ones I mentioned earlier in our conversation is that you have to have

uh cellular energy production if you don't have energy you your brain is not functioning you can't think you you really need power and energy and you get it from food avoiding linoleic acid which is a mitochondrial poison keep your intake below two grams a day there's a there's a uh an important video i created and actually i i could announce here but uh

On this Sunday, all our articles come back from behind the paywall and sub stack. So that is available for anyone to wonderful. Yeah. So we're making me decided to do that. Uh,

bring them back but you can look that video for the details because the devil's in the details we get low linoleic acid and get to neck to you know that helps to connect your consciousness because you can if you're in your mind you're listening to brainwashing propaganda and you're watching TV the news which is one of the worst things you can do it it will perpetuate fear if you're on social media so you want to disengage from that completely

And identify sources that are telling the truth, at least as far as you can perceive, because sometimes it's really difficult. But at least the information you're consuming is not obvious propaganda because almost anything from conventional media, New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, that's all just propaganda.

Government propaganda, nothing pure but pure propaganda. And it may be true, but probably more likely than not true. It's definitely pushing an agenda. So if you get that data input minimized and you are healthy, then you'll be able to connect better to your consciousness and health.

really activate that because you could have the best brain out there but if you are metabolically damaged and it does you don't have the energy to think it's you that's the first step you have to have fuel in the tank you have to fuel intake and then x you know what are the other things walking every day yes you know sleeping well this is not rocket science at all there are some

really powerful innovations you can do that are thanks to technology, but you got to have the basics first. Walking, sun exposure, no linoleic acid, no processed foods, essentially, which are replicating ancestral practices.

And when you do that, stay away from the brainwashing propaganda and connect to valid sources of truth and wisdom. You know, you're golden and you'll self-correct and you'll think because you'll be inputting data that's closer to truth than listening to the lies, essentially.

So good. Well, Dr. McCullough, I want to say thanks so much for coming on and share your wisdom. Thank you. So, I mean, there are so many people that I think most people recognize this for anyone that's followed you, but you've inspired so many people in the space to start to take control of their health. Yeah. You know how many that is? We had it measured. It's hundreds of millions. Wow. Hundreds of millions. But you know what? That seems like a lot and it is, but you know, we're not finished.

Because the goal is 4 billion. Wow. And I'm pretty confident we're going to reach in the next five years. We've got, we've got a strategy. So you're going to see a lot of what I'm doing in the next few months. It's this, all the books all about it. And we've got really big plans.

So I'm so excited because this is what you heard in this conversation is exactly what people need to hear. And what I'm seeking to implement is strategy so that they can integrate that into their lifestyle easily and facilitate it with simple strategies. So because the body's the magic, you know, you were taught that in chiropractic, it's innate intelligence, right? All you have to do is activate it. That's all it requires. It's not like rocket science. You just give the body what it needs. It will take care of it. It does not want to go to disease. It wants to go to health.

Yeah. That's what you're designed to do. You know, if given what you, what you need, you're going to be healthy. That's it. It's, it's your advantage. You just have to stay away from stuff that's going to make you unhealthy. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. Well, we want to thank everybody for listening today. I want to thank again, Dr. Mercola here for sharing all his wisdom today and be on the lookout for his new book. It'll be coming out here before too long. So you can go to Amazon or just search for it on his website. It's Mercola.com.

but check out his new book, check out his articles. He's such a wealth of knowledge and wisdom. And I want to say again, thanks so much for just being a pioneer and a trailblazer in just natural health. You've inspired so many people, Dr. McCullough. Thank you. Thanks for the opportunity to have a delightful conversation. Appreciate it. Of course. And again, thanks everybody for listening and supporting the show, the Ancient Health podcast here. If you're not subscribed, make sure to subscribe and

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