387: Fight Toxins and Find Next Level Health: Vitamin C and more | Dr. Thomas Levy
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Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast, where East meets West in the world of medicine. I'm Dr. Chris Motley, and here we explore how modern Western science and traditional Eastern wisdom come together to unlock the body's full healing potential. Each week, we'll dive into powerful tools, techniques, and approaches from both sides of the world to help you optimize your health and live with vitality. Let's bridge the gap between ancient practices and cutting-edge medicine. Let's get started.

Hello friends, welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast where East meets West and I'm your host Dr. Chris Motley and today I have somebody that I am very very fond of in this profession. Somebody who's very very brilliant and very smart and

He is one of the main people that led me into learning more about cardiology, honestly, and how basically nutrition can affect the heart. And it's a very big honor. Dr. Thomas Levy is here to talk to us about Live On Labs, but I want to go through everything that we can. So, Doc, I really appreciate you joining me today. Pleasure to be here, sir.

We had some computer glitches for everybody that's listening out there. We had a lot of computer glitches on my end. I don't know what's happening. But I was really, really excited to know that Dr. Levy was on the podcast because I got to meet him.

In Las Vegas, we had this big conference and he was there talking to everyone. And I thought, well, maybe I can get my picture taken with him. And when he's authored, you've authored like over 13 or 14 books. And literally one of the leading doctors that I know that talks about cardiology and also like orthomolecular medicine.

There's so many great accolades. Like literally you're in the hall of fame of orthomolecular medicine, which is like in itself, like it's great. And you're an attorney as well. And to me, you cover all grounds. But doc, can you talk a little bit about yourself? I love hearing stories about personal life and people out there wanna know about you. - Well, I guess you could say I was just another clueless mainstream cardiologist until about 1994.

When I met Dr. Hal Huggins in Colorado Springs, Colorado, who, for those who don't know that name, he's really the first significant biological dentist on the planet. And to make a long story short is it just turned out that we enjoyed each other's company, had a few lunches. He invited me to his clinic that he had in Colorado Springs. And I saw stuff that medicine told me wasn't supposed to happen. Dr. Huggins,

would take out root canals and mercury and put people on diets with other supplements and use lots of vitamin C in the process. I saw MS patients taking steps for the first time after two weeks and over a year and many other things. But this one time when I first got there, I saw a little old lady with a neurological syndrome, not very mobile, getting hours of arduous dental work

But she started getting more and more animated, more and more energized as the work went on until she finally told her caregiver she wanted to go out to dinner and chew on the other side of her mouth somewhere in Colorado Springs that night. I said, wow, this does not compute. And about that time, Dr. Hungers walked into the operatory. I said, OK, Hal, what's going on? And he pointed at the ID bag. And I said, OK, I know about IVs. What's in it?

And he said 50 grams of vitamin C. Well, I was like every other low information individual on the planet. I mean, vitamin C, orange, that's about the only thing that meant to me at that time. I wasn't taking a single supplement of any time at that time to my detriment, I might add. But literally in the blink of an eye, my life changed because I'm not in the habit of denying what I'm witnessing.

And what I was witnessing was something that medicine said couldn't happen. And that literally at that instant began my four years of research leading up to my book on vitamin C, infectious diseases and toxins. It's just and then another 25 years of associated topics. And here I am.

Wow. To me, when you see that kind of animation, when you start to see people heal and it defies what you've previously learned, I think that... It took a dentist to teach me medicine. I realized I had no medicine at all until this biological dentist came along and taught me. I mean, I say that with all humility.

And truly, Doc, when you learned that and you saw that happening, what did it do when you went back to practice? I mean, what was it like after the first day you went back and you're like, okay, I've got to shift everything and things were coming to you and you're like, how can I change it with the new knowledge I found? Well, I didn't. I quit my practice and started working with Dr. Huggins as a consultant immediately. Amazing. So you started doing, and that's how you got into this whole realm of functional orthomolecular medicine? That's it. Yes, sir.

Oh, heavens. So when you started to do that, did you start to see as you started seeing miracles, did that start your journey into like creating new protocols for the patients? Like what were some of your main protocols? I know like that you helped these patients with some of these chronic conditions. Well, the it basically just brought out all the points that are now emphasized. Maybe I didn't appreciate them as well. That was fine.

25 years ago, you develop a little different evolving perspective as time goes on. But, for example, the title of my new book coming out in a few months is Toxins Cause All Disease. And I don't know, there might be some people that will look at that and say, well, that's interesting, but that's got to be an exaggeration. And it's not. It's not an exaggeration because, and this helps explain everything else.

When you oxidize a biomolecule, you take an electron away from it. Protein, sugar, fat, RNA, enzyme. And when you take that electron away from it, it ceases to function. So it becomes a non-player. And when you get a large number of biomolecules all not functioning and just accumulating space in the cell and inhibiting the other active biomolecules interacting,

The unique array of biomolecules determines the disease. There is no disease other than oxidation. Oxidation is disease. You hear about oxidative stress causing disease. Well, that's close. It doesn't cause disease. It is the disease. You have nothing else going on in any disease process other than a unique array of biomolecules, different concentrations, different types, no role or function. That's the disease. And

That's why things like vitamin C can come in, redonate electrons, and regenerate life into those biomolecules and resolve the disease, except when you haven't addressed the toxins. Because that begs the next question. If oxidation is disease, what causes oxidation?

Or what are oxidizing agents? They're one thing and one thing only, toxins. That's the only thing that oxidizes is toxins. So oxidation is disease. Toxins cause all oxidation. So that means you design your protocols toward two things. Turn off the faucet and do repair. You repair the oxidized biomolecules and you turn off the toxin faucet. And in the case of Dr. Huggins, that was...

and still is, the most important sorts of toxins in most people's bodies are infected gums, root canals, other infected teeth, and infected tonsils. Because infections are the single greatest source of toxins. All right? And that's the only reason, that's the only way an infection hurts you.

There's no other magical way of effects to purchase. It's just continually producing molecules that are oxidizing biomolecules that you need. You know, sometimes it might be biomolecules that are located in an artery wall or the continued oxidation process.

Causes the rupture of a blood vessel. You say, oh, I died from the blood vessel rupturing. Well, no, you died from the oxidation that was unchecked that ultimately resulted in that blood vessel rupture. Just like just like just like oxidizing, just like rusting metal. OK, that's oxidation, too. And if the oxidation goes unchecked, you eventually erode completely through the battle until you have no framework at all. It's no different inside the body.

And so that developed basically the structure that I have now in my new book, which is I just told you what disease is. And the three major sources of toxins are infections, nearly all of which are in the mouth, previously accumulated heavy metals, and the persistent spike protein from the vaccinations of chronic COVID.

You take care of all of those three, you've got to help the person. But leave any one of them unaddressed. And if you're not fighting a losing battle, you're fighting a battle that you're not going to be as successful as you could be. Wow. Doc, this is really, really great. I mean, the information truly, the...

the fact that all the diseases start in the mouth. And again, I'm not taking away from each section. I love it that you're talking about taking vitamin C. One quick thing, I want to talk about the mouth infections, but with like live on labs, I love that they have like the very bioavailable forms of vitamin C. Absolutely.

When you started finding vitamin C, some people will ask me, like, Doc, what are the best forms of vitamin C? And like, which one should we use? Is there a difference, Doc, according to your studies? Like, which one is the best? Well, you have to break it down into regular non-encapsulated forms of vitamin C and the liposome encapsulated. The liposome encapsulated is unique because it gets you a delivery inside the cell. Regular vitamin C doesn't do that.

The other forms of vitamin C are just unencapsulated. That's ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate, a whole bunch of ascorbates. Ascorbate is the anion, and that's the active part of a vitamin C molecule. So you're going to have hydrogen ascorbate, ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate. They all

give you the benefits of vitamin C, but you're also getting your cation along with it. And so you need to, whenever you're supplementing, if you have, like magnesium is a good thing. You have magnesium chloride, magnesium 3 and 8, magnesium citrate. And people say, well, what type of magnesium should I supplement?

And you say, well, you need to look at what you're dealing with. What is the anion and what is the cation? What's the cation? Magnesium. But look at your patient and see which of the anions are going to be of greatest benefit in your particular patient because lots of people have different problems. You know, you have magnesium glycinate, so a lot of people need glycine. Magnesium chloride is especially powerful as an antipathogen, so it's the one I usually recommend because it's

Even if we're not in the middle of a pandemic anymore, we're sort of bracing for them to give us the next one, right? So it's good to take that and be as prepared as possible. So those are the principles. And so I have found that the liposome encapsulated vitamin C that you saw there is just head and shoulders better than regular vitamin C. Why? Because...

Nearly all disease is cellular dysfunction inside the cell. I mean, yeah, you can have stuff going on outside the cell in the extracellular space, but the action is in the cytoplasm. And regular vitamin C that you either take orally or even intravenously is not encapsulated.

And this is the biggie. You need to consume energy to get that vitamin C inside the cell. With the liposome, even though you're taking it orally, it gets absorbed, assimilated in the lymph and blood, and eventually reaches the cell and either passes through tiny pores in the cell or by reverse pyelocytosis merges into the cell wall. And meaning that you get the vitamin C without the consumption of energy. And if you think about it,

Everything in biology is about energy. All right. That's electrons. Electrons is energy. Energy is electrons. And if you can get an energy providing substance like vitamin C, for example, from point A to point B without consuming energy in the process, then you're way ahead of the game. And that's what the liposomes do.

So it can actually get drawn in and get into the cell wall either way without you having to consume extra energy. I mean, that really opened up my eyes. And I mean that because I've always wondered there are some things I thought I knew, Doc, about why you would use a different form. But I love the whole the whole fact about anions and cations. I like magnesium chloride. That is a great suggestion. And I'm going to start implementing it with my patients.

Like literally tomorrow. Let me tell you how dramatic that is, too, with the magnesium example, because vitamin C and magnesium, those are the two biggies. There's a lot of other important stuff, but those are your two biggies. Vitamin C and magnesium with magnesium chloride, for example, in viral cultures, magnesium chloride knocks out the virus. In those same viral cultures, magnesium sulfate increases virus growth.

So that all has to do with the anion, okay? That doesn't mean magnesium sulfate is bad for you. It's probably the one that's used intravenously most of all. But the point being is magnesium chloride as a monosupplement. You may or may not know that back in the 40s, Dr. Klenner, Frederick Klenner was able to cure 60 out of 60 cases of folio with a combination of injectable and oral vitamin C.

Wow. How can you beat that? In three to five days, 60 out of 60 complete cures in the middle of a polio epidemic in, in Reachville, North Carolina. Well, it's amazing, but about the same time in France, they had a Dr. Nouveau who had about 15 cases of different stages of polio. And it still blows me away, but unless it's a lie, and that is using just polio,

just oral magnesium chloride solution, he was able to cure 15 out of 15 at the same sort of time frame. So that's how potent good magnesium chloride is. And that's why it's always important to do a little due diligence, a little research on these different supplements and decide for yourself or their patient's body or whoever, is there a particular thing I want to target

with the anion i mean i got the cat eye and i want to get as much magnesium in there as possible but what's the anion doing as well i don't think many of us would actually ever think about that aspect of it doc i i know that many people i i wouldn't think about it as like i should and i think the people that are listening to this are uh wondering about like the best products to take and so when

Maybe I don't want to steer this in the wrong direction, Doc. You can bring it back to any way you want. No, take it where you want, sir. When we talk about supplements,

And I want to get back to the oil area, but is that what makes difference like with your studies? Because there's so many different types of supplementation, like quality of supplementation. That's what we have to be really careful about. And I think that's why I love your product with my patients because they're clean and they test really well. Is that something that you had to really investigate even back when you first started this, like the quality of the supplement and how it was made?

For the liposomes, yes. For other supplements, no. I mean, people say, what type of vitamin C or magnesium or this or methylene blue or whatever should I take? And I say, I don't know. I'm not in the manufacturing facility. I can't tell you whether they're being fraudulent or not and lying to you, okay? I mean, you get the scientific laboratory breakdowns with this and the other and

I've used this for a long time. It had no problems, but I can't tell you that those other things aren't fine. That's the regular supplements. But for the liposome supplements, Livon just took off like a rocket 20 years ago. And all the greedy, unethical supplement manufacturers around the world said, we have to cash in on this. And so they just started making a lot of supplements and calling them liposomes.

And it's been a travesty ever since. So that's why, even though I'm a consultant at the company, I continue to say, you know, buyer beware because they know supplements, they know liposomes are good, but they just don't know how to make them or they don't care to go to the effort to make them. With all the greedy, keep going, Doc. That was really, like when we had the greediness, like I love talking about this. So what I'm saying is, it was a testament to live on as to how good their product was because,

I can't give you precise statistics, but I would guess for you that with most supplements, maybe 15% of people that start a new supplement continue to take it indefinitely. And they just give up after that because no big deal, didn't turn on lights for me or anything like that. But I bet you, I bet you 80, 85% of people that take the live on vitamin C never stop.

Okay, that's how quickly you see a difference in your health because you're getting the vitamin C inside your cells. And that ultimately, when you're trying to prescribe protocols for treating anything, absolutely anything, your ultimate goal is to normalize intracellular vitamin C levels. If you're going to accomplish that, you have a normal cell and you have no disease in that cell at all.

So that's always the goal. You always try to look, how do I normalize vitamin C inside that cell? And there's a lot of different things you can do that can augment not just the liposomes, but your magnesium form, insulin, hydrocortisone, cortisol, all of those things interact to help optimize vitamin C inside the cells. But that's the goal. That's the goal. You accomplish that in all the cells of a diseased tissue, there is no more disease. Wow.

And you could put that like, and that's one thing, doc. I, when I first took this, um, I remember, cause I always had this, like this sinus congestion on my right side. And I was so impressed because everybody listening, when I took this, like it literally dried up my sinuses within like an hour and a half. Like I took the whole packet. Cause I'm a really, you know, I get really picky doc. I'm just like, I wonder if it really works really well. And it dried it up. And I could tell like, it literally, my mental clarity was higher. And, uh,

I've never really had a vitamin C do that, truly. I think there's one of the things that I love about this product, and it's clean, it's like not sugary either.

And when we talk about like the disease portion, I do want to steer down this. This is such a great product. And you're talking about like in the past when you had you worked with biological dentistry. I do want to hit a bit on that. Like when we talked about like all diseases, like all toxins create the disease with the mouth. Maybe it's a very general thing to ask, but the diseases start in the mouth. What makes the mouth healthy?

so prone to get infections? I know we could say vitamin C levels, but is it just because we're just catching a lot of junk in our mouth or it just becomes the breeding ground? Well, as physiology and fate would have it, you have more microbes in your mouth than coming out your rear end. I mean, it's a teeming environment of microorganisms

most of which are harmless, but when you put them in an anaerobic, oxygen-deprived environment, they become highly toxic. Then they transform anaerobic bacteria, the viruses, et cetera. We have microorganisms everywhere, all right? But when we change the microenvironment and encourage the growth of a particular pathogen, that's why things just sometimes seem to pop up out of nowhere. I mean, you have, for example...

Someone sneezes in your face, you get a huge exposure to whatever, it's a virus, and you get a cold, you get the flu, whatever. That's one thing. That's a concentration volume thing. You just got so much at once, you couldn't deal with it. On the other hand, you have enough pathogens in your body that if you do something else that temporarily undermines the immune protection in your tissues, then that can spontaneously turn into an infection as well.

In doing the research, I saw that somebody was administering magnesium by nebulization. And then I saw something else that showed nebulization with hydrogen peroxide. And I didn't know a lot about hydrogen peroxide, but I knew it killed pathogens pretty easy. I knew to a limited degree that it was a natural substance inside the body. So one day I nebulized hydrogen peroxide for 10 or 15 minutes. No problem. Very easy. Mm-hmm.

And this is when I'm 65, 66 years old. The next day, I had the most perfectly normal, profoundly satisfying bowel movement of my life. I said, oh, my God, what happened here? What happened here? Obviously, something I did yesterday did something. And that's when I realized that I did my research and everything, that nearly everybody, unless they direct a specific therapy against it,

has a chronic pathogen colonization in their nose and throat. Oh, yes. Not a cold, but a chronic pathogen colonization because when you do get a cold or you do get the flu, in addition to everything else, you get bugs that start sticking to your mucous membranes. And once they do, within 24 hours, they become coated with a biofilm and you can no longer get rid of it. Certainly not with regular antibiotics.

Hydrogen peroxide, on the other hand, strips off the biofilm, kills the pathogen. And then I realized that it was the chronic swallowing of these pathogens and their metabolic bipods, all of which are toxic, all of which are oxidizing agents into the gut. So the gut was literally being poisoned 24-7. And then I did a little further research and I came across the fact that the intestinal cells, you have stem cells in the intestines.

that literally replace the lining cells every three to five days. So if you stop poisoning your gut, within three to five days, you've got a new gut. Okay? And you no longer have leaky gut. You no longer have an abnormal microbiome. And because of that, I'm really putting a lot into a short story here. Because of that, you're talking about protocols. I advise everybody that I don't care what you're treating. It does not matter.

An initial part of that treatment protocol should be peroxide nebulization because this screws up your gut. And everybody these days talks about how an abnormal microbiome in a leaky gut leaks out the pathogens and the toxins throughout your body and all your tissues, brain, heart, everywhere else. So you need to always give yourself the opportunity to normalize your gut.

And I've had an enormous amount of feedback on this. I've had, I saved the emails. I just want to make my presentation. I'm not going to put words in this lady's mouth. I'm going to show you what she said. And I had reports that a young boy with Crohn's disease for many years, completely bedridden, started nebulizing the hydrogen peroxide within a couple months. He was completely normal. Another chronic diarrhea, same thing. A lady,

wrote me and said her entire family, husband, sons, children, were in and out of the hospital intensive care unit with black mold poisoning. They had to move out of their house. They started nebulizing hydrogen peroxide. It all went away. You have a lot of serious problems that are easily remedied when you understand the principles of why you're sick. Doc, this is amazing because with nebulizing the hydrogen peroxide,

I mean, I know many people are going to ask us, would you put like a food grade hydrogen peroxide, like the percentage, like there's like the strength of it. And like, would you go get a nebulizer like at Walgreens or something like that? You know, if you're going to do it on a regular basis, the purer, the better. But having said that, I mean, if you're starting to feel something coming on or this, that or the other,

Don't wait for the food grade hydrogen peroxide to come in the mail. You go down to Walmart and get a 80 cent bottle, 80 cent pipe of 3% hydrogen peroxide and that doesn't trick it just fine. Wow, okay. It's really amazing that you mentioned these with hydrogen peroxide because when you talk about cleaning the brain, is this doc, why? Because I do Chinese medicine and I do some analysis with tongue and pulse and some biofeedback.

For some patients that come in, they'll have quite a bit of strep in their throat. I know they have. And then we'll get some verification because they'll do like throat swabs because some regular testing will not show up, but we use some other labs that try to initiate, but they always have really bad gut lining and they have such bad, like, you know, like we've talked like

ulcerative type issues and such and then when you clean up the throats this is what I noticed it's like they say my stomach gets better and I will test their pulse points and once I clean the sinuses out I need to try the hydro peroxy but we use herbs I will say oh that's why the stomach's getting better because you're allowing the body to replace those stomach cells that's that's what's happening fuck this is great every swallow is a new poisoning

wow because because they're just re-inoculating every time they do it and that's why some people when they're always like what and they they're sucking it back in and they're just swallowing it over and over again now to make it a little worse unless you're just eating organic food all of the enrichment of foods we have these days is with things that are toxic they enrich with iron iron is highly toxic and

I did a video on this 30 years ago, even though it's been going on since 1940. It's been going on for 80 years, but I did the video 30 years ago. When you take traditional cereals, grind them up and water, slosh them around, run a magnet over, you pull out metallic iron filings. Whoa. This is what the idiots in 1940 decided was good for us. They saw populations around the world, starvation populations,

that weren't getting anything in their diet and had a high incidence of iron deficiency anemia. So they said, what do you have to make sure? Nobody gets iron deficiency anemia in America. And they start putting freaking metallic iron filings inside our food. All right. And it continues to this day. I have some people that know Mr. Kennedy, and I'm hoping to bring this to his attention because I think this could really kickstart

the public's trust in him to discover how their food is being poisoned and even open the door more fully for him to talk about other different food additives that are highly toxic. Is that, Doc, this is amazing. So with the iron, is that why you start to see individuals that have like higher amounts of, you know, aluminum, mercury? Are they, is there...

incidents where they were using some of those types of filings or some kind of like you know aluminum in foods and such because i heard one when that they found like aluminum high in certain amounts of flour like they would find a high aluminum is that what that was happening they're putting in the in the foods i don't know that they're putting that in the foods i know for a fact they're putting the iron into the foods after i made the video a lady from australia emailed me and said couldn't believe the doctor the video dr levy but

I worked in a cereal factory, and when they put them in the oven and started finishing up with the cornflakes, every time they put in a cup full of metallic iron filings into the oven. Yet you have people, quote-unquote, scientists, quote-unquote, that will try to rationalize that taking a metallic form of something can still end up being good for you. I mean, we're...

We're ruled by idiots, what can I say? That is crazy. When you have those... Metallic iron, iron itself is highly, highly toxic. It's an oxidizing agent. This is the other thing too. They put it in everything. They put it in baby formula. They put it in baby foods. It's not normal.

for a baby to have colic, okay? But if you put, if you dump iron in the baby's food, what do you think is gonna happen? You're just having a reaction to the severe oxidation taking place in the gut. So many people doing this from day one, just like me at age 65, never know a normal bowel movement. They never know a normal bowel movement. It's that simple. - If you're not sleeping well, you are not alone.

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Okay, so with the toxins,

And we have, like, you could have, like, the iron that you found in foods. Like, you get all these things that can oxidize or rust our insides out. Yeah, you rust your insides. You're rusting your insides. That's what I'm taking from what you're saying. Like, you're basically rusting your insides out. With, like, we have the lipospheric glutathione. I really love the lipospheric glutathione. Is when we're taking, like, the vitamin C, the glutathione, when you're taking some vitamin D, are those combinations...

with the oxidation, do you think vitamin C is like, do you have a little combo yourself like you think with the lipospheric that you would love to use to help with that oxidizing, that rusting in the internal? Like with every patient, you're like, you need to take this. My main combination is the vitamin C and the magnesium. I have what I call the super eight. Vitamin C in the best form possible, magnesium in the best form possible, vitamin D3,

and vitamin K2. All four of those work to normalize calcium levels inside your cells. Now, elevated calcium levels are the characteristic of every sick cell in your body.

Any cell that is sick has increased oxidative stress to that increased calcium levels. And all four of these agents, especially magnesium. This is why magnesium is so therapeutic. Magnesium is a direct calcium channel blocker that works to bring calcium levels down inside your cell. And then to top it off, these four things that all work to.

We all work to bring calcium levels down. Each one independently, independently decreases all-cause mortality. The more you supplement, the less likely you are to die from anything. All right. So that's the first four. The second four, what else is, I guess you could say, just as important as optimizing vitamin C inside your cells?

is optimizing ATP production in your mitochondria. That's your primary energy-delivering molecule, ATP. What you have inside the mitochondria is the electron transport chain. It goes from NAD to FAD to coenzyme Q10 to cytochrome B10.

C oxidase, all right? All the electrons from the Krebs cycle eventually reach that electron transport chain and go through that to generate large amounts of ATP. So like any other chemical reaction, the more you supply good substrates, the more you stimulate and keep the reaction going, all right? So if you have anything going in a sequence and you run really short on one substrate, you don't shut down or you slow down the whole process, right?

The other four supplements are designed to optimally stimulate the electron transport chain. The first one is niacin or niacinamide. I prefer niacinamide because too many people get the niacin flush and they'll just quit. The niacinamide, you take it, it's the direct precursor to NAD. You hear a lot about supplementing NAD. That's fine and good, but it's inefficient and very...

pricey way to go about it. Nothing wrong with taking NAD, but it's inefficient and pricey. Take the niacinamide, you make all the NAD you need. Then the next stage, flavonab, FAD, is fed by vitamin B2, which is phylloflate. You say, well, how much? Well, the niacinamide, at least 500 milligrams, but guess what? In the 1960s and 1970s, they had a physician who would routinely cure schizophrenia.

by giving them six grams of niacinamide a day. Six grams? Six grams a day, okay? And it would reverse chronic schizophrenia completely. All right? That's how important these elements are to energy production inside your brain. Now, the vitamin B2, for example, if you take a multivitamin, multimineral, oh, I take vitamin B2, it's in my B complex, you get two or three or four milligrams. Well...

you need 400 a day. So you take a capsule of 400 milligrams of B2 a day. Number three is coenzyme Q10. Lots of people realize that Q10 is good for you. They don't completely understand why, but they know it's a good supplement. There, it's a matter of dose. You can get good effect

With the lower doses on all of these, but you can get so much more good effect when you really bump up the dosage rate. So a lot of people that do take coenzyme Q10 will take one or 200 milligrams a day. You should really push it to six, seven, 800 to a thousand milligrams a day of coenzyme Q10. Wow. And then finally, there's the last stage, which is fed imethylene blue.

Methylene blue comes in and directly donates an electron at the end of the electron transport chain, massively upregulating ATP production without even having to undergo the mandatory oxidative physiological stress of going through the first three stages. When you do all of these together, this first four for the calcium, the second four for the ATP production, and

everybody gets better. I'm not saying everybody cures whatever disease they have, but everybody gets better. Everybody feels better. And I have seen crazy cures on things that I wouldn't have had a cure for otherwise. A couple cases of sudden deafness just hit them harder with this protocol. We can sue their hearing again. So amazing. So it's it's amazing.

I mean, and when you have these protocols to me, I like protocols. And I think everybody listening does to like to like have a simplistic protocol and have explanations, because when we're talking about the, you know, many people are talking about NAD and FAD. And I love the research you've done, because in the past.

I remember one of my friends who does some of my genetic labs and they were saying, "You have a really big deficiency of B2." And this was a while back when I had really bad Lyme infections and parasite infections. And when they started me on the B2 and the B3, the niacinamide, I mean, like you said, I cannot believe the amount of energy my legs got. And people think that's just, "Oh, your legs are like..." No, I had such bad infection, it was hard for me to stand up treating people.

And when I started to start taking certain types of bees, it made the most profound changes. So that's why I like the research on Live On and what's the research in your books. With the people who just teach me so much, we got to have you on again. One thing, though, that I really want to touch on, like you're talking about turning on the mitochondria, turning on energy for people who have chronic fatigue.

One of the things I really wanted to touch on was the importance of vitamin C and the heart, because is there a correlation like with heart infections, heart disease, you being a cardiologist, infections coming from the mouth, going into the heart and vitamin C and these protocols helping that? Because there's so many people out there that come in, Doc, that have, I have heart palpitations. I have tachycardia. I've got a weak chest. I got tightness. Can you touch a bit on that?

100% on that. All coronary artery disease that will eventually result in a heart attack comes from arterial wall scurvy. And that scurvy is caused by a seeding of pathogens in the coronary arterial wall that come from the mouth. That's it. They actually have a study where they did 38...

angiograms on 38 patients with known chronic coronary artery disease. Okay. And they did something called anathorectomy where they go in and scrape the plaque out, you know, just physically, mechanically open it up. And in all 38 patients, they examined this plaque and they found over 50 different oral pathogens inside those plaques.

And we're talking about bacteria, viruses, fungi, protozoa, the whole ball of wax. And of course, people without coronary disease had no pathogens anywhere. Now, where does the vitamin C come into play? Well, when these pathogens, you chew and you release these pathogens and toxins 24-7 into the bloodstream, into lymphatic circulation, and they...

They accumulate in the coronary arterial wall because that's the first place where you go from venous to arterial pressure and you mechanically blast them into the wall. Okay, so you just go low pressure, low pressure, low pressure, left atrium, low pressure, into the left atrial, boom, high pressure, hard into the arterial wall. That's where they seed. Now, once they do that,

Something else that's not unknown is cardiologists will tell you, yes, inflammation causes all coronary disease, but they're not interested in wondering why coronary arteries are suddenly becoming inflamed.

I mean, you got to take another layer of the onion down. And the thing is, is all inflammation is vitamin C deficiency. All vitamin C deficiency is inflammation. They describe the same physiological state. If you have very low vitamin C, that area is inflamed. If that area is inflamed, you have very low vitamin C. So the pathogens come in, they grow in the arterial wall.

It's all pro-oxidant. They consume all the vitamin C. And then you end up with an inflamed blood vessel. And then that causes an acute immune response. In the acute immune response, response to that inflammation, guess what the first immune cell is that comes to the immune response? The monocyte. The cell with the highest concentration of vitamin C in the body.

So you're literally bringing the immune system, a delivery system for vitamin C there. I'm going to tell you right now, make a broad general statement here. The entire role of the immune system is to restore vitamin C levels to normal where they're deficient. That's what the immune system does. And everything else is tangential. Okay. Now...

If that happened, but you didn't continue bugs in the artery, that would resolve it. But it's not because you don't resolve the mouth. So it continues. And so the acute response becomes chronic. And the chronic response is what causes the atherosclerosis because the body has compensatory mechanisms. Now, most docs know that you need vitamin C for strong collagen, intense cell strength, connective tissue.

Well, when you eliminate all the vitamin C in the arterial wall, the wall becomes weak. All right. And what does a weak wall do? A weak wall sets you up for gradual dilation and rupture, aneurysm rupture. Well, the body is going to do everything it can to keep from dying. So what does the body do to strengthen the arterial wall in the absence of new vitamin C? Well, the only thing it can do is make the wall thicker.

And that's what the atherosclerotic plaque is. It's thickening the blood vessel wall to make it less prone to rupture. And obviously when it grows big enough, it blocks off and you have the heart attack. Wow. Doc, this, I'm not kidding. I'm going to ask Christy, my producer, we got to have you back on because I like talking to you. Dr. Lee, you got that.

I'm a mechanical person. I love when you talked about high pressure, thickening the arteries. This is what the listeners want to hear is like, why does it actually happen? Like we're not described or told this in our normal, you know, medical visits. And I mean, that alone tells us like the need for vitamin C in this form of like the lipospheric vitamin C. And again, it, to me, it's just, you would think that in our culture that vitamin,

something as quote simple as vitamin C could help us with so many things, but we've forgotten how important it is. Like we don't see that every day. Like when we go to a doctor's visit, right doc? It's like, it's not told us we should take vitamin C. Well, no, you're thinking like a doctor who gives a day. Most doctors don't.

All right. Then I say that because they willfully deny patients vitamin C or the intensive care unit when their families are begging for it. So when that patient dies, they deserve to go to jail. So I've got no love lost for most patients.

traditional physicians. And the last thing they want is something that's going to completely disrupt their practice and the way they do it, as well as undermine the financial benefits. Vitamin C properly utilized, I'm going to tell you, would eliminate the need for fully 70% of all prescription medicines.

but we know that's not going to happen, right? It's not going to happen, Doc. I mean, I'll just say that, like, you're the man. You know these things, but they wouldn't allow that to happen at all. We just need to keep nipping in on the fridge. Nipping in on the fridge. Yeah, that's right. And...

I want everybody out there who is listening with these bombs of knowledge and truth that when we look into using the lipospheric Livon has great products. I mean, I love not only the magnesium, I love the acetylcarnitine. And I think that would be a really good podcast to do as well, Doc. If you came back, we talked about more even about energy production. I really love the

to talk about the oral issues with the mouth. And I know many people out there when asking, I know your time's precious. I know by the way, we had some hangups, but I was going to ask you, with taking the, like the, you have great B complex and the alpha lipoic acid, I can't brag about it enough. I literally have seen individuals with alpha lipoic acid reduced in my world, like the heart signals in Chinese medicine,

amazing results when you put a little l-carnitine and the alpha lipoic acid together. But some people out there will ask though too, when we start putting the vitamin C in, you use the hydrogen peroxide. To start on the mouth, do you suggest anything like, does that take care of most of the microbes? I know like that's a really random broad question, but would you tell people to do something else to the gums?

Or do you think the hydrogen peroxide gargling with it or doing a mouth rinse? Is there anything else they could do? - No, that's just gonna take care of mucous membranes, maybe the tongue. It's not gonna take care of an infected teeth or deeply infected gums. Now, water picking with water and some hydrogen peroxide can resolve even advanced gum disease. And it's only advanced gum disease that really causes teeth to end up getting infected.

And when you do that early enough, you can prevent the infectious processes from advancing. But no, that's good for the chronic path to colonization, which you seem to realize is fed by other chronic infections in your mouth that never get obliterated. That's why you resolve that, and you and your bowels do better for colonization.

days to weeks to months and then they deteriorate again, well, you may not have had a cold or a flu in the meantime, but you've recolonized the chronic pathogen colonization from the chronic infections in your mouth that you've never been able to resolve. Okay, this is...

Dr. Lee, this has been really, really good. I want to go again at some point, if we can coordinate it. I just do want to go deeper because I love that you're a cardiologist and you know all about blood vessels because to me, Let me give you something else before we go. Yeah, yeah. I love this. Okay. Because I wrote a book on magnesium and I'm only now really beginning to understand it. But when we're talking about arrhythmias, when we're talking about sudden death from persistent spike protein, all these other things,

That will never happen unless you have a magnesium deficiency inside your cells. You cannot generate an extra beat if the magnesium inside your mitochondria is normal. Okay, that's number one. Number two is, how do you do that? Well, I'll tell you that in a moment, but the point is the way you know the tests you need to do.

Not blood magnesium, not red blood cell magnesium, not tissue specimens. The way you know you have a normal or acceptably normal intracellular magnesium level is by having a completely normal Holter monitor test. You measure all the beats and you have no extra beats at all.

you're doing good. On the other hand, when you start having extra beats, you're magnesium deficiency deficient and you're a setup for other arrhythmias. And if there's a question of persistent spike protein, potentially fatal arrhythmias. So it's kind of like the heart is the sentinel organ for magnesium deficiency by virtue of the effect on arrhythmias. And you'll never...

Like, for example, we know thousands, thousands, thousands of soccer players in Europe have dropped dead on the field over the past four years. Okay. Well, what are two things soccer players do that really nobody else does to the same degree? These are all young guys. Well, in addition, of course, to getting the vaccinations and a lot of them having circulating spike protein ready to aggravate the heart, not cause arrhythmia, aggravate it, is

What do they do more than anybody else? They sweat and sweat and sweat and sweat and sweat. You waste an enormous amount of magnesium when you sweat. What else do they never do? Well, they're young, healthy dudes with few exceptions. None of them supplement anything. So you're continuing to waste magnesium. You're not taking any magnesium supplementation. So all of them are primed for arrhythmias. And then when you add to that pool, the

specificity of the spike protein for the conduction cells in the heart then you have people dropping dead this is fantastic doc this is information um because when you talk about the people that have gotten sick and then dropped dead uh side note when you talk about magnesium i'm just saying personal experience i remember when i had horrible lime lime levels uh in the body i

i remember i keep getting the the heartbeats that were really so hard like it would almost be like irregular heartbeats and i thought it was just me getting older but it's amazing you say that because when i started doing a um i did a powder magnesium and i started doing heavy amounts of that and then my heart started feeling like stronger like i remember that feeling in my heart like it actually felt like i had charge in my heart i was like like i hadn't had in so long and i can't imagine like you say the athletes like they hadn't supplemented and

I can't recommend enough. The one thing that I really love, Doc, you're right. The importance of the information behind it, but the packets, you know, people will always say like, oh, well, how do I know how it tastes? To me, I know it could have a good taste or bad taste. It doesn't bother me. You could put it in juice, couldn't you? Like you put in some, like if you want to. Yeah, spin it up and mix it up and drink it down. I take it not straight. Yeah.

Doc, this has been so, I mean, eye-opening and very informative. And please come back on for me. And I really appreciate it. And I want everybody out there to follow you and to see your information and to get to your videos. Can you tell them where they can go on the net or where they can go on social media to watch your videos? Well, a large number of the videos are on YouTube. You just go to YouTube and just type in my name. You'll see YouTube.

30, 40, 50 or more videos. So those are all there. All my articles are on my website, tomlevymd.com. Okay. And I have no problem with people sending me emails as long as they understand I'm not going, I can't and will not and do not do consultations.

but I can give you some information. A lot of times you might have a situation where I can point you in a certain direction, maybe refer you to somebody or tell you, I'm sorry, I can't help you, but I don't hide my email. And that's T-E-L-E-D-M-D at yahoo.com. Okay, everyone, I want you to please check out

dr levy's information and i want you to you know if you love this information which i do i just i nerd out on this things doc um please send us a comment uh like and subscribe but we're gonna have you back on because i really love the the mechanistic uh viewpoints you have which makes so much sense to me so guys uh dr levy thanks so much i'm not kidding thank you so much for having being on here today with us and guys we'll have him back on so don't worry we're gonna ask him more information check out his videos

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