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Is a Recession Coming? (EP.402)

2025/3/5
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Ben Carlson
一位专注于投资教育和策略的金融专家,通过博客和播客分享投资见解。
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Michael Batnick
作为 Ritholtz Wealth Management 的管理合伙人和研究总监,Michael Batnick 是一位知名的投资专家和播客主持人。
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Michael Batnick: 我认为现在经济衰退、滞胀或熊市的风险比一个月前高得多。股市会在衰退来临之前就有所反应。如果收益无法达到预期,股市可能会迅速下跌。关税可能导致进口商品数量提前被计算在内,从而导致GDP数据失真。除非关税噩梦结束,否则经济衰退(滞胀)的风险很高。如果取消关税,并实行放松管制和减税政策,经济可能会快速增长。市场情绪迅速转向悲观。关税对市场的影响取决于其持续时间。公司开始感受到关税带来的负面影响。市场正在迅速消化关税的影响。无法预测市场何时触底反弹。投资者应该关注经济衰退的可能性,而不是其原因。经济衰退的可能性已经上升。我认为,如果我们进入衰退,房地产市场将是抵消衰退影响的因素。如果利率下降,房地产市场可能会复苏。即使经济衰退导致失业率上升,仍然有很多人有工作,并且可以利用房屋净值信贷额度来应对经济困难。关税可能为投资者提供买入机会。即使经济放缓,由于人们收入较高且拥有资产,经济衰退可能不会造成灾难性后果。亚马逊Prime视频广告的推出降低了美国流媒体广告价格。经历重大事件后,人们可能会对琐事漠不关心。保持积极的心态很重要。 Ben Carlson: 如果政府继续实行紧缩政策和对所有贸易伙伴征收25%的关税,那么经济衰退的风险将比之前高得多。如果我们从高估值水平(并非疯狂高,但偏高)进入衰退,情况可能会迅速恶化。股市会迅速嗅出经济衰退的迹象。GDP 数据显示经济可能正在下滑。债券正在成为最后的避险资产。欧洲股票与美国股票之间的回报差距巨大,这可能预示着国际多元化投资的机会。欧洲股票可能由于贸易保护主义而跑赢美国股票。美国市场在结构上具有优势,这可能已经体现在估值上。便利性行业(如送餐服务)在经济衰退中可能会受到冲击,但其韧性取决于失业率。美国约一半的家庭没有退休储蓄,这凸显了社会保障制度的重要性。如果没有社会保障制度,许多美国人将面临退休困境。如果利率下降是由于经济放缓,则并非好事。现在是逢低买入Cardano的好时机。经济衰退可能难以恢复到之前的状态。我不认为这次熊市会超过12%。如果发生经济衰退,必然会发生熊市。现在可能是逢低买入股票的好时机。许多高估值股票已经大幅下跌,现在可能是买入的好时机。奥斯汀的租金大幅下降,这表明房地产市场存在供过于求的情况。政府可以通过政策来解决住房问题。经历重大事件后,人们可能会陷入冷漠或抑郁。

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Discussion on the rising risks of a recession, potential impacts of government policies, and the stock market's response to economic signals.
  • The risk of a recession is perceived to be higher now compared to a month ago.
  • Government austerity and tariffs are seen as increasing recession risks.
  • The stock market is expected to react quickly to recession signals, often before a recession officially starts.
  • The real risk of a recession is concerning for investors and could lead to a bear market.
  • Recession indicators include elevated stock market multiples and decreasing GDP projections.

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On episode 402 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick) and Ben Carlson) discuss: GDP growth rolling over, the probability of a recession is rising, timing a bear market, Ray Dalio's crash calls, the crypto strategic reserve, the bull market in convenience, why we need Social Security, housing as a recession hedge, Keanu's life advice and much more.

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