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Liverpool restores 12-point lead with derby win | VAR controversy as Tarkowski avoids red card | Grealish ends PL goal drought

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Henry Winter: 我认为Tarkowski对Mac Allister的铲球是可耻的,这应该是一张红牌。VAR应该介入,保护球员的安全。裁判Sam Barrett很年轻,经验不足,可能因为害怕成为焦点而没有采取行动。但这正是VAR应该发挥作用的地方,纠正这种严重的错误。这是一个极其危险的犯规,速度、强度和接触程度都达到了严重犯规的标准。在这个赛季的关键时刻,球员们容易受伤,我们必须保护他们免受这种危险的铲球。即使是像Duncan Ferguson这样以凶狠著称的球员,也认为这是一个红牌。PGMOL不应该发布轻率的推文,而应该由裁判或霍华德·韦伯出来解释。我们必须保护球员,Alexis McAllister很幸运没有造成更严重的伤势。 利物浦的胜利意义重大,这帮助他们巩固了联赛榜首位置。虽然比赛过程并不完美,但对士气和积分都至关重要。埃弗顿可能对利物浦的进球有些抱怨,但总的来说,利物浦本赛季的表现值得他们赢得这场比赛。拉什福德在阿斯顿维拉的成功与其在俱乐部的文化和埃梅里的战术安排有关。我希望他留在维拉,因为那里有一种文化,一种氛围,埃梅里和麦金恩的方式让新球员感到被爱和被需要。埃梅里是一位战术天才,他知道如何发挥拉什福德的长处。波斯特科格鲁的一些言论令人费解,他应该专注于球队的积极方面,而不是被卷入关于他潜在替代者的猜测中。 Miguel Delaney: Tarkowski的铲球虽然看起来很凶狠,但裁判的位置可能导致他视野受阻,VAR未介入可能是因为初始触球看起来没问题。我认为这是一个错误的判罚,Tarkowski应该被罚下。裁判巴雷特的位置可能导致他视野受阻,真正的疑问在于VAR为什么没有进一步介入。考虑到赛程安排和球员的健康状况,保护球员至关重要。利物浦的进球从规则上来说是正确的,但可以理解埃弗顿的沮丧,因为越位规则的细微之处导致了这种局面。格拉利什可能需要转会,这与曼城引进新球员有关,也与他自身在球队中的位置有关。拉什福德在阿斯顿维拉的成功与桑乔在切尔西的境遇形成鲜明对比,这表明拉什福德需要改变环境。波斯特科格鲁对未来问题的回答方式很新颖,但他的情绪暗示了他可能在赛季末离开。霍伊索姆可能会在夏天转会,利物浦和切尔西都对他很感兴趣,但皇马也可能参与竞争。 Dave Reed: (主持人的角色,没有表达个人观点,主要负责引导讨论。)

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The panelists discuss the controversial tackle by James Tarkowski on Alexis Mac Allister during the Merseyside derby. They debate whether the referee and VAR made the correct call, highlighting the severity of the challenge and the potential consequences for Mac Allister.
  • Tarkowski's challenge on Mac Allister was deemed reckless by the VAR.
  • The decision not to issue a red card sparked widespread criticism.
  • Concerns raised about player safety and the effectiveness of VAR in preventing dangerous tackles.

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Welcome to Back Pages, bringing you everything you need to know about the biggest sports stories making the headlines in the morning's newspapers. I'm Dave Reed and joining me are Henry Winter and Miguel Delaney. Welcome to you both. Let's get straight into the Back Pages and we're going to start with the Telegraph.

And the main thing that is coming out of this Merseyside derby is the tackle from James Tarkovsky on Alexis McAllister. 11 minutes into the game, Sam Barrett, the referee, gave a yellow card. Paul Tierney looked at it but didn't send the referee to the monitor to have another look. Henry, what's your view of what we saw there tonight?

I think it's a disgrace. We could be talking tonight about Alexis McAllister heading into hospital, let alone Liverpool heading further clear in the title race. I mean, the fact that Paul Tierney, the VAR, will have seen a still photograph like that, will have seen the pictures and...

from different angles as well and still didn't think that it was a sensible thing to do, the right thing to do, to actually tell the on-field referee, Sam Barrett, who is young, very promising. He's had a decent season, but he's young, he's inexperienced, and maybe he didn't feel that he wanted to become the story of

of the Merseyside derby by sending a player off relatively early. But actually, he has become the story and VAR has become the story because VAR was brought in to rescue bad mistakes like that. It's a terrible challenge. It's not reckless. It's far worse than reckless. It's serious foul play. All the four main elements of foul play, it ticks them all, speed, intensity, all of them. So look...

We have to be protecting players. It's this stage of the season when players are falling down injured with hamstrings and all sorts of things. We don't want them going off to hospital and being incapacitated for lengthy periods by challenges like that. I mean, even Duncan Ferguson, Everton, liked to tackle, you know, even he, you know, in the Sky studio was saying, that's a red.

And even David Moyes as well, after the game in his interview with Sky Sports, suggested that they were perhaps a little bit lucky in that respect for the tackle from Tarkovsky. I mean, the view of the referee, I mean, he is in a prime position, you would say, Miguel. And what's your thoughts on why the VAR didn't intervene further?

The only thing I'd say about the referee's position is he's maybe slightly behind it. So the actual contact is maybe slightly obscured from his point of view. Although it's still, to be honest, at that speed, it still looks very strong. But I wonder, does the left leg of Tarkovsky just mean he can't quite see it in the proper way? As regards why he was in sense of...

I think it's a bad decision I think Tarkovsky should be gone the one thing and I'm not defending the decision the one thing maybe playing devil's advocate I wonder when I first saw it in slow motion at all initially as he gets the ball it looks okay then obviously it's the follow through where that really should warrant the red and I wonder was the VAR conditioned by that initial first touch and

And it's a very difficult decision to explain. It was striking. And we were talking about off-air, but it was striking that even the initial, the explanation from the Premier League match centre, it didn't feel like it made the most sense either.

Yeah, I mean, the PGML have tried to defend this. This is what they posted midway through the game. The referee's call of yellow card for a reckless foul by Tarkovsky was checked by the VAR with contact on the follow-through after Tarkovsky had played the ball deemed to be reckless. So there's two references to reckless there. I'm guessing they probably couldn't find another word to describe it because...

It doesn't feel much. Reading that now again, you're kind of thinking, yes, and what's the next sentence? Because even that would almost lead you to think that it should just be a red. And serious foul play as well. I mean, Henry touched on it, but a tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force. And we went into things like speed, force, intensity and degree of control and the point and the extent of contact there.

on the opponent as well. When you factor in all of those different things, I'm not seeing too many people trying to defend this decision. So does Howard Webb need to come out earlier and quicker on this one and be front-footed, Henry?

Absolutely, MPGMO shouldn't put out sort of naive, almost reckless tweets like that. I mean, as Mick said, it was almost laughable. I mean, it was like they thought, well, what are we going to say? They would have actually been better off to have been quiet and then maybe Sam Barrett come out and talk to the Sky cameras or Howard Webb comes out. And, you know, you don't really want to sort of, not ruin, but harm anybody.

a young referee's and a good, promising young referee's career because we know the pressure that's on a referee that's placed on them by the media, by players, by fans. I get all that. But also we have to protect players. And Alexis McAllister is very fortunate that his foot wasn't quite planted, his leg wasn't quite planted because that, as Gary Neville was saying in commentary, is a potential leg breaker.

And I assume now that obviously will be an inquest in the in the PGMOL, Miguel. When they see the back pages tonight and in the morning,

Do you think there'll be a few red faces at the PGMOL? You'd think so. Now, I have to say, just picking up on Henry's point there, I actually don't think there should be much blame for Barrett in that situation. I think you would give him leeway just because of where he positioned and the way the tackle went in. But I think it's more a question of why there wasn't follow-up and why he wasn't sent to the monitor. I think that's where the real questions are in this sense, especially given the whole point, yes, as Henry said, I mean, and given the current climate about the fixture list and the fitness of players, I think

And that can actually lead to more injuries as well, especially in kind of collisions or vigorous tackles. That's where the onus has to be to protect players as well, yeah.

OK, well, let's maybe consider the bigger picture now from the game at Anfield this evening. The bigger picture is that Liverpool, 12 points, they've restored that lead at the top of the Premier League table. Diogo Jota got the goal, which turned out to be the winning goal. We're almost expecting Liverpool to continue their march to the title, but how significant on this night in a derby game is this result for Arnes Lot, Henry?

It's incredibly significant. You could see the emotions that were going through as the added time sort of marched on. He was just telling his team to sort of control. And when Nunes went through and then had a shot rather than take the ball down to the corner flag, you could almost hear the whole of the Kop saying, you know, take the ball to the corner flag. They are so close now. I mean, I think if you do the maths and they continue winning and Arsenal continuing,

They could do it against Chelsea. So it would be interesting if Chelsea, who've had some rivalry with Liverpool down the years, give them a guard of honour. So, you know, I think it wasn't a great win, but it was hugely significant for the points and also on the back of their last game, which was a frustrating performance. They looked leggy at Wembley in the Carabao Cup final.

They needed to come out and show that they could really deliver. I would imagine that Everton might have some complaint or some concern over the goal in terms of Diaz's position and Tarkovsky almost looked like he assumed Diaz was offside in the build-up to Jota's goal.

But, yeah, I mean, overall, Liverpool deserve that. And they deserve it for this season, even though they're looking a little bit fatigued and tired and probably could do with it, well, not necessarily a deeper score, but maybe a little bit more judicious rotation by the manager. He seems to be going to the well again and again with the same bunch of players. But, yeah, it's an absolutely huge win. And do you think, Miguel, that Everton do have...

A little bit of frustration, I suppose, with the Liverpool winning goal. I think David Moyes thought they were a little bit unlucky to take that goal, Liverpool. I can understand the frustration. I still think, and really maybe the frustration from my own perspective with the kind of nuances and almost convolutions to the modern offside law. Whereas I think by the letter of the law, it was the correct decision. If anything, because of where he was positioned, he wasn't interfering with play. But then at the same time,

Because of where the Liverpool players are positioned, Tarkovsky has to go for it. So it's not strictly offside, but you can understand the frustration with how the law kind of suddenly produces a situation like that. Sometimes maybe a goal, I can instinctively feel like it should be offside, but it isn't.

And I guess from Everton's point of view, I mean, David Moyes' problems continue really at Anfield. It's not been a happy hunting ground for him, Henry, but they had opportunities in that game. Beto in the first half in particular, I guess Liverpool probably took more control in the second period, but certainly in the first half, there were chances there for Everton.

Yeah, I mean, if Beto could finish in games like this, I mean, he actually got the better of Virgil van Dijk, which doesn't often happen. And he went through and he was one on one. And I thought he was going to put it the other side, but he sort of pulled it across the Kelleher and hit the post. He's not the most...

going through in situations like that. So maybe if Calvert-Lewin or if they managed to get Duncan Ferguson out the studio and put him in there, he'd have had a... But that's something that, you know, Moyes has done fantastically since he's returned. I mean, they weren't...

there were issues around the club, obviously off field, but there were, you know, concerns amongst the fans about the style of football. There was a, there, there weren't a United club when Moyes came back and he's got them out of any hints of trouble. They've marched up the table. They look a team that, you know, they're playing well. Tarkovsky is a really good leader. And we, we all know him. We've all interviewed him. He's a,

He's a sensible character despite that filthy challenge tonight. And he's been really important for them. I thought Pickford was a little bit lucky with one of his slightly rash challenges on Nunes later on. Nunes actually got booked for rolling back onto the pitch for a bit of time wasting.

But yeah, I mean, just Moyes and Everton is a love affair and it works. And, you know, he can leave and come back and they just carry on again. He'll go into a new home, a new stadium with them and just sort of carry on because he gets Everton. He is kind of Mr. Everton in a way.

Let's move on and talk a little bit about Manchester City because they beat Leicester pretty comfortably in the end by two goals to nil. And Jack Grealish getting on the score sheet, his first Premier League goal since December 16th, 2023. In more than a year, his first Premier League goal against Leicester City. Miguel, what do you think the future holds for Jack Grealish at City?

I mean, it still instinctively feels like he needs a move. And obviously there's kind of a, there's maybe a wider shift going on there. The signings they made in January, which was the first time really City had spent kind of, they'd spent on a raft of players in a few windows. They've kind of ushered in this maybe a new generation or a new cycle. It's expected that will continue in the summer.

Although let's see what happens with the Premier League case. City, of course, insist on their innocence. But in that context, I mean...

Yes, you would think that maybe Grealish, just for his own sake, potentially could do it looking elsewhere. I mean, he spoke himself tonight how much about how this was a rare start in the Premier League, a rare goal in the Premier League, which itself kind of sets a bit of an alarm for him. But at the same time, maybe also just he himself, it wasn't just about the team needing fresh bodies anymore.

and a bit of a new lease. It was also Grealish himself. Maybe with a younger generation around them, that can amplify him as well. And maybe then his seniority can actually become more of a virtue. Again, I'd still say you think he probably should move, and maybe City, as they will seek to kind of...

make other signings, depending on PSO issues, would try and sell him. I'm speculating there. I'm not saying it will definitely happen. But, yeah, to the very least, it gives him a stronger hand and hopefully a better outlook. He is one of the, to be honest, one of the game's nicest characters, Jack Grealish, as well as someone who we know has brilliant talent at the core of it. And what about England? Because Thomas Tuchel would love a fit and firing Jack Grealish, wouldn't he, Henry?

Yes, and I think a lot of the England fans would, and I think a lot of the England media would, because we love Jack Grealish, because we often forget that players are people as well. We look at them as robots and superhumans at times. But you heard Jack Grealish talk in his post-match interview tonight and said it was the 25th anniversary of his three-year-old death.

brother sadly passing away and you know he was choking up and Grealish needs to be loved he needs to be put in a team that sort of suits him tactically maybe with a little bit of pace around him but just get him the ball and tell him to sort of run at defenders and play with a smile on on his face as he did early on at City and you know he's got a good record at City in terms of the trophies that won the issue I mean I agree with Mig is that he

He may well need to move away, but is he going to go back to Aston Villa? They're not doing badly with their loan signing on the left.

And also there's going to inevitably be, as there always is with footballers nowadays, the issue with wages. But the great thing is to see Jack Grealish playing again. In terms of your point about England, England got so much talent out wide, but Grealish does bring you that little sort of ball carrying, not with pace, but just that bit of trickery, winning free kicks, winning penalties, opening opportunities for others. He does bring you something a little bit different when he cuts in from the left. Let's go to the Telegraph.

Terrific victory for Aston Villa, beating Brighton by three goals to nil. And what that does mean for them is that they are seventh in the Premier League, just a couple of points off Newcastle in fifth. You can see a small image there of Marcus Rashford celebrating in the goals again for Aston Villa. Miguel, what about the contrast between what Marcus Rashford is doing right now at Aston Villa and maybe what Jadon Sancho is doing at Chelsea right now?

Yeah, and that's all the more remarkable. I know Morescu has spoken about this today, but I suppose when Sancho's deal first happened and he initially had that bit of impact for Chelsea and there was some talk from within the club about how they really enjoyed what he was doing, he was almost cast as an example for Rashford, something that Rashford should follow. Whereas now it feels like that's completely flipped. And obviously Sancho is suddenly left wondering about his future. Has Rashford in a situation now where I'm sure Villa...

would dearly like to keep him the way he's going, Manchester United might have to reconsider things. And if not, he's going to have suitors again because the transformation has been striking. And it does just point to, I think, the reality with Rashford that as much as anything, he just needed some sort of change. I mean, whatever about recent form, whatever about the opinions of those at United, some of which might have been fair, I think this is just a case of...

who because he was a U graduate at a club that almost prizes that more than any other club due to the kind of the history of the Busby Babes and

the special status of pace of those players and him carrying that through a period when United were at their most dysfunctional for 40 years it's going to weigh down on a player so yeah he just it feels he just needs a different environment and on the other side to be fair he's gone into an environment that just seems perfect to him we know he thinks very highly of Una Emery who thinks very highly of him it feels like a very good fit

And suddenly we're seeing Marcus Rashford express himself, whereas, yeah, you point to his other erstwhile teammate at Manchester United, and potentially the future teammate at Manchester United, who just hasn't had the impact we would have expected in a similar situation. And for Marcus Rashford, success for him is success for Aston Villa, Henry, but is the by-product of that continuing damage for Manchester United? I know Jim Ratcliffe has said, "Look, if he goes there and does well, that's great for us."

Is Rashford doing so well just continuing to damage Manchester United? Yeah, it's a really good question. I mean, it's a balance there. I guess the better that he does, the more money Manchester United are likely to get when they sell him because he can't go back and play for them because tactically and for financial reasons, Ruben Amorim clearly doesn't want him in the squad, in the team. He's made that very clear. That's been clear from way before Christmas.

So, yeah, I mean, I think that Aston Villa will be sure that they want to keep him. I mean, what a January transfer window they had with their loan signings. You know, you look at Marlon, Asensio and Rashford all scored tonight. That's six wins on the spin for them. You know, they're hitting form at the right time with major trophies to attack.

So, yeah, it's interesting with Rashford. I think there's a... We were touching on it with Grealish. We have to remember these footballers are sort of sentient human beings as well. And Rashford, you're seeing him playing with a smile on his face. I mean, he's still, I don't think...

to anywhere near 100% fitness and sharpness yet. And when he gets that and gets some of the rust from Carrington out of his legs, then he'll be even more of a force. And you've seen it now, two goals obviously against Preston, not the strongest opposition, depleted opposition. And then again tonight, there's slightly more testing fixture. So I think it's exciting obviously for him, for Villa. But...

I hope he stays at Villa because there's something in the culture there. There's something in the Holton. There's something in Unai Emery and John McGinn, the way he welcomes people to body more Heath and makes new players come in and, you know, even experienced players like Rashford come in and feel loved and wanted. And then you have a tactical genius really like Unai Emery who knows how to play to Rashford's strengths, which is keep him higher up the pitch and get him the ball quicker and he'll wreak havoc.

Lots of the papers as well carrying quotes from Andrew Postacoglu, asked about his future, said there was outstanding candidates out there if Tottenham decide to move on from him. Miguel, what do you make of the way Andrew Postacoglu has handled questions about his future?

It's an innovative answer. I'll give him that to be fair. And maybe you could say he handled it well. I think actually more telling than his words were actually his mood. I mean, it feels like we're a long way away now from when Posse Coghlan came in at Spurs and basically charmed people. The tone has changed. The reaction in the press has changed. We deal with him every day. And this just gave the sense of a manager who at this point seems to at least feel perhaps that

The end could be coming at the end of the season. Who knows? Maybe, as we saw with Eric Ten Hag at Manchester United last season, if he can win the Europa League, that might change the dynamic. But, yeah, I mean, like anyone else, he's going to be aware of the... Well, he's been directly asked about the deep speculation about his future. Or, I'm sorry, about his potential replacements. He's bound to feel a little bit under strain, isn't he, Henry? Is it starting to show?

Absolutely. He's been showing for a while. I think there was sympathy for him early in the season with some of the injuries that he had. What's it, three quarters of his first choice defence plus his goalkeeper, Vakaria, were out at one point. But I just don't understand some of these comments that he makes. I mean, maybe he just sort of checked his contract and had a look at the compensation that he'll get if he does leave and thought, well, I can say really what I like because it's going to cost quite a lot

to pay him off. But, you know, just focus on the positives about this famous club. Some of the younger players who've done marvels for him in difficult circumstances this season. Focus on one or two of the players coming back. Focus on the stadium, the support. Don't just sort of get drawn into sort of comments that Pochettino, which were actually fairly balanced. I mean, he was being respectful towards Tottenham Hotspur.

Don't get caught in that and don't say there are outstanding candidates out there because there'll be quite a few Tottenham fans who'll say, "Oh, can we have a beauty parade of them? Quite sharpish." And in the race for Europe, bit of a blow for Bournemouth, being beaten at home by Ipswich. Dean Hoysom played the full 90 minutes. And, Miguel, you've got a story on his future. Yeah, well, Liverpool and Chelsea both strongly looking at him for the summer, although with the caveat that Real Madrid are mulling over this.

and he will feel, or sorry, Madrid will feel that when it comes to these situations, uh, their sway can greatly help, especially given he's now declared for Spain. Um, you know, he's of Dutch parentage and, and having been born in Amsterdam, they, they moved to Marbella when he was five and he made, and he made the switch this year to, or sorry, he was given his full cap for Spain, his first full cap for Spain this year. Uh,

But I think there's an even more interesting thing. Like if you speak to people around Bournemouth, it does feel like, or sorry, around the South Coast as well, it does feel like there's an expectation he will go. He's got, the word is he's got a release clause of around 50 million. But I think there's almost something bigger here, which is, I mean, Bournemouth have obviously had a good season. It does feel now given tonight's results that Sunday was all the more important in that sense because you could feel this could have been something else. And now there's been a deflation since that defeat to City.

But even without doing that, they've obviously massively overachieved. Without having a major feat, something that can really kind of hang modern history on, they could well lose, what, three players this summer and the manager, given that we know Spurs are interested in the Orioles. And there's almost a bit of sadness to that. On the other side, it could well now be the model, like Brighton, buy low, sell high.