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The ZK Fast Track | Andrew & Uma of Conduit & Succinct

2024/12/4
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Andrew Huang:OP Succinct 结合了 Conduit 的 Rollup 即服务平台和 Succinct 的 SP1 zkVM,实现了 1 小时终结性,这与传统乐观型 Rollup 的 7 天延迟形成对比。ZK 技术的成本正在下降,如果能找到用户愿意支付额外交易费用的链,ZK 技术会越来越好。OP Succinct 使用现有的 OP Stack 和 SP1,兼具现有 Rollup 的成熟性和 ZK 的优势,使得 ZK Rollup 的开发变得更容易,并具有更快的最终确定性和更高的安全性。 更快的最终确定性可以使跨链桥接更便宜更高效,并释放大量资金。ZK Rollup 比乐观型 Rollup 更具优势,因为它可以民主化安全,并具有更快的最终确定性。随着时间的推移,ZK Rollup 的成本会下降,并且在高吞吐量链上更具优势。ZK Rollup 的成本正在下降,使其对更多类型的链更具可承受性。 ZK 证明的生成时间正在缩短,这将使跨链通信更具吸引力。ZK 和快速的最终确定性可以为所有以太坊链提供统一的接口。ZK 不是与其他 Rollup 解决方案竞争,而是可以加速这些解决方案。 在未来一年左右,ZK 证明的延迟可能会达到构建原生 ZK-EVM 所需的水平。对于原生 ZK Rollup,成本已经足够低,但延迟仍然是主要障碍。 Uma Roy:过去 ZK Rollup 的构建方式与 OP Succinct 不同,过去需要大型团队构建复杂的 ZK 电路,而现在使用 SP1,ZK 变得更容易。SP1 使得 ZK 变得容易,无需大型团队,只需编写普通代码即可。 ZK 技术的进步,特别是 SP1,使得将现有乐观型 Rollup 升级到 ZK Rollup 变得更容易。Rust 语言对 EVM 的改进以及 SP1 的创新,使得 ZK Rollup 的开发变得更容易。目前 ZK Rollup 的主要障碍是集成和成本,但成本正在下降。 高 TPS 链的 ZK 证明成本不会很高,因为固定成本很低,并且每个交易的成本可以分摊。ZK 证明成本对于高 TPS 链来说是可扩展的,并且成本相对较低。ZK 证明的成本正在快速下降,未来还有很大的下降空间。 更低的 ZK 证明成本将使交易更便宜,并提高安全性。以太坊需要数千个 Rollup 来实现大规模的 TPS。ZK 可以解决以太坊碎片化问题,并使 Rollup 之间的交互更容易。 以太坊的 Rollup 中心化路线图是正确的,ZK 是实现最大规模的关键。以太坊 Rollup 生态系统目前正处于发展阶段,存在一些成长的烦恼,但其基本路线图是正确的。

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This chapter explores the potential of OP Succinct, a collaboration between Conduit and Succinct, to revolutionize the ZK rollup space. It discusses the technology's unique approach and its potential to address Ethereum's fragmentation problem. The discussion also touches upon the current state of optimistic rollups and the overall progress of ZK technology.
  • OP Succinct combines Succinct's SP1 zkVM with Conduit's Rollup-as-a-Service platform.
  • It offers 1-hour finality, unlike the 7-day delays of optimistic rollups.
  • The Rust-based zkVM approach simplifies ZK rollup development.

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Last month, Andrew Huang (Conduit) and Uma Roy (Succinct) announced OP Succinct, a groundbreaking collaboration that blends Succinct’s SP1 zkVM with Conduit’s Rollup-as-a-Service platform. This new zkEVM promises 1-hour finality, breaking away from the traditional 7-day delays seen with optimistic rollups.

In this episode, we unpack what makes OP Succinct a game-changer and how it challenges the conventional ZK rollup landscape. Why is this Rust-based zkVM approach so different? Is ZK rollup tech finally ready for prime time? And could fast finality and the end of fraud proofs be the key to solving Ethereum’s fragmentation problem?

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0:00 Intro 2:52 zk Rollups Past vs. OP Succint  5:48 OP to zk Rollups Tradeoffs & Timeline 12:39 Benefits of 1-Hour Challenge Period  15:34 Scaling the Rollups  18:12 Endgame Vision  20:47 Cost of Proving Must Go Down? 21:55 Conduit’s Distribution Role 25:55 AggLayer vs. zk & Adoption  29:57 zk Rollup on ETH L1 Constraints? 35:53 Ethereum’s Negative Sentiment 51:04  Closing & Disclaimers 

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Uma Roy https://x.com/pumatheuma

Succinct https://www.succinct.xyz/

OP Succinct https://github.com/succinctlabs/op-succinct

Adrew Huang https://x.com/KAndrewHuang

Conduit https://x.com/conduitxyz

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