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Is Trump about to topple the Iran regime?

2025/6/18

Battle Lines

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Roland Oliphant: 作为主持人，我试图呈现伊朗国内对以色列袭击的真实反应，包括支持和反对政权的不同声音。我观察到，普遍存在的是震惊和不安，人们对局势的未来感到迷茫。我希望通过与不同背景的伊朗人对话，能够帮助听众更全面地了解伊朗社会的复杂性。 Fereshteh Sadeghi: 作为一名支持伊朗政权的记者，我亲身经历了以色列的袭击，并目睹了德黑兰的破坏。我承认，社会上存在对政权的不满，但我也坚信，大多数伊朗人热爱自己的国家，反对分裂。我认为，以色列的袭击反而促使人们团结起来，共同抵抗外来侵略。尽管我支持政府，但我也会批评其管理不善，但我认为现在不是呼吁政权更迭的时候，因为这只会给伊朗带来混乱和破坏。 Holly Dagres: 作为一名伊朗裔美国分析师，我对以色列袭击伊朗感到震惊和心碎。我担心这场战争会给伊朗人民带来更大的苦难，他们不仅要面对政权的压迫，还要面对生存的威胁。我认为，国际社会应该尽一切努力促成和平解决方案，避免局势进一步升级。我也观察到，伊朗国内的民意复杂多样，既有支持政权的声音，也有反对的声音，很难简单地概括。 Ali Vaez: 作为危机组织的伊朗项目主任，我认为外交途径尚未完全关闭，特朗普总统应该采取行动，促成美国、以色列和伊朗之间的对话。我认为，伊朗不会轻易放弃其铀浓缩计划，但可以通过谈判达成一项协议，限制其核活动的范围。我也认为，以色列的目标是破坏伊朗的稳定，而不是彻底推翻政权。我认为，各方应该保持冷静和理性，避免采取进一步加剧紧张局势的行动。

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In a bumper, bonus edition of Battle Lines, we are talking to Iranians themselves, those both inside and outside the country, pro and anti regime, to get a sense of how the nation is responding to these missile strikes, what the war could mean for both the regime and ordinary people, and what comes next.

Emotions on the ground and among the diaspora are running high, and the stakes are even higher. Israeli strikes have hit targets across the country, in populated parts of Tehran and other cities. Huge traffic jams have formed as people have tried to flee the capitol. There are petrol shortages and shops are closed. Iran hasn't seen this kind of attack since the war with Iraq in the 1980s.

Fereshteh Sadeghi is a freelance Iranian journalist based in Tehran, who considers herself a supporter of the regime. She shares the conversations she's had on the streets of her city about this war. Giving a very different perspective, we hear from Holly Dagres, author of The Iranist, a foreign policy newsletter for Iran watchers.

Plus we hear from Ali Vaez, the Iranian born Director of the Iran programme at Crisis Group,who tells us why the diplomacy had fallen apart so suddenly and dramatically, and whether there is any hope it could restart. And author of What Iranians Want, historian Arash Azizi, joins us to attempt to explain exactly that; what do the Iranian people want?

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